Half in the Bag Episode 141: Black Panther
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ต.ค. 2024
- Mike and Jay discuss the 18th (!) Marvel Cinematic Universe film, Black Panther. It's the first black superhero movie! It's the first comic book movie to actually feel like a comic book! It's the first critically acclaimed comic book movie! So many firsts!!!
Black Panther is the first movie to show that complex political problems can always be solved with punching.
Just like in Africa today!
@Yonis Ali yeah cause letting millions of human beings get burnt alive is such a great alternative
Starship Troopers...? Or does that not count because it's technically shooting? :p
and then infinite war fucks it up when man is barely punched
Matrix?
i didnt even know black people existed until i saw this movie
Same, I really regret seeing this movie
You mean Bono has taught you nothing?
@@bdoakes you mean toto lmao zSsssssDdddd
Half_Finis you and Not_My_Name are fucking purple
Must be the funniest joke to say when someone mentions this movie. Bravo
Not gonna lie, i prefer the original Pink Panther, not this spinoff schlock.
@@nicolausteslaus The comic character came first and isnt related.
@@nicolausteslaus "The Black Panther's name predates the October 1966 founding of the Black Panther Party, though not the black panther logo of the party's predecessor, the Lowndes County Freedom Organization (LCFO), nor the segregated World War II Black Panthers Tank Battalion.[2][3] Stan Lee, co-creator of the comic, denied that the comic, which pre-dates the political usage of the term, was, or could have been, named after any of the political uses of the term "black panther", including the LCFO, citing "a strange coincidence".
@@nicolausteslaus Context matters. They were called "terrorists" by then governor Ronald Reagan, who (as President) also called Nelson Mandela a terrorist. The only reason California is no longer an open-carry state was because the Black Panthers were using their 2nd amendment rights. Any description of the Black Panthers as a terrorist organization needs to include the racism of the person who applied that term to them. The same President who called African members of the U.N. "monkeys".
Sublime!
@@nicolausteslaus based and redpilled
the wakandan streets scenes look recycled from Thor Ragnorak
Both had scenes filmed in Atlanta
yea while watching it I noticed it looked like Skaar from Thor Ragnarok
Lets Read! Brooooooooooooooo!
Got anymore narrations
Epcot Wakanda.
Marvel is a movie machine gun
Red Letter Media will be taught in school in the future.
Books will be written about the life of Rich Evans and his impact on the world.
The first person with his type of Diabetes will be legend.
It will in the vein of Bill & Ted's future.
"Today class we'll be learning about Red Letter Media. Much has been lost to history, but from what little has survived, we know that they broke new ground."
in the kindergarten sketch together class
I'm glad we finally got our 80th first black superhero.
It's almost like proclaiming it to be the "first" is an attempt to erase the accomplishments of black people or something...
So there were 79 Blade movies?
HitchensImmortal
You leave Blade out of this
HitchensImmortal, there should be.
Oatmeal Guy which ones have been set in Africa? That's the part most people are excited about... Not the fact it's a black superhero. Everyone is aware those have existed on the silver screen.
“a big middle finger to all thing authoritarian” Wakanda: a tribal monarchy
*Monarchic ethnostate with an isolationist foreign policy running on keynesian economics.
The real 4th reich
To be fair it was a ceremonial tribal monarchy republic ethno-technostate. The battle for the throne was insinuated to be purely ceremonial and mundane to honor culture kinda like the British royalty ceremonies or even the US pres inauguration and Congress/Senate having ofd ceremonies no one really cares about
@@Thed538dhsk Ceremonial? I haven't seen the movie in a while, but unless my memory is super faulty, I'm pretty sure Black Panther as King of Wakanda held real power. And the ritual combat is insinuated to be expected to be not be invoked but when it is it's shown it's intended to result in either the king or the challenger dying, unless the winner grants the loser a reprieve (or the loser is presumed deadwhen thrown off a cliff).
@@dresdnhope it does have a real affect but until the gilbrati came out of nowhere and are an isolated tribe the whole process is a traditional ceremony where each tribe would say they have no challenger, reward him as the black panther and then go home. His sister is even nonchalant about the process as she's more modern and wants it done with already to go home and out of her uncomfortable Traditional clothes
The real question is who paid for the wall of wakanda?
@DirtRoadTraveler yes
Conan O'Briens left nipple
Obviously the Gambians.
Tony Stark
Obviously, nobody, they stole it.
Mike, you could have mentioned Star Trek, the Klingons are a significantly more advanced society technologically but hold on to tribal practices that go back generations.
Why would he know that? I mean, It's not like Mike is some kind of mega Star Trek geek who spends his existence re-watching episode after episode nonstop and would mention Star Trek references every single time he's on screen doing a Half in the Bag review.
Also like the Predarors who haven't advanced beyond a tribal society and are only technologically advanced because they stole Engineer tech.
Europe has had Christianity since it's inception and it has been the fastest developing society I the world.
To Release is To Resolve the idea that humans are given freedom from god and not government came from Christian beliefs which then formed our political system.
To Release is to Resolve, notice how one of those religions evolved over time, throwing out things that didn't fit in modern society while the other didn't? Now take those two religions, show me the places where they are more prevalent, and tell me which places are more developed.
What upset me the most about Black Panther is that there's a whole segment dedicated to making a joke about the main character's shoes and giving him stealthier ones and then he never does anything stealthy for the rest of the film. It's probably the most expensive pun committed to film.
@@Derek_Keenan Obviously not literally crying upset. More upset like disappointed. THAT's what you're spending your time and money on? Making a "what are those?" joke in 2018 that leads to a plot point that goes nowhere? When there's so much more interesting stuff in the film that could have been developed? But ah well, it'll make the dumb kids laugh and clap and say they liked it cause he did the meme so ah well. Can't wait for black panther 2 where they give him a belt that dispenses sleeping gas when you dab that he never uses.
@@Derek_Keenan sure it’s a throwaway line, but the movie doesn’t have many jokes in it, why make one of the few a meme reference that really dates the movie unnecessarily
Honestly, when the blue man summoned the rhinos I started laughing.
It looked so janky I felt I was watching a particularly bad video game cinematic.
Killmonger should have broken off the spear tip and fought like an Iraq war vet who grew up in the streets of Oakland, and in the end fight he could shoot himself with his handguns to charge that suit. Instead he does two-handed African ritual combat moves. Where did he learn that? Use your skills!
Good question!!
I hated the Shaka Zulu reference (of him breaking the spear). I'm like what!!, where did he even learn to do that
good idea, wish they would have replaced the sister character with some person who lives in the city, then the tribal civil war plot replaced with some kinda plot inside the city.
He should have won and taken over, would have been so interesting if it was the other guy under the suit for the avengers movies
no one told him how the suit worked so that would be impossible
He learned it during the hour of hand-to-hand training he received during basic.
This is probably one of the most honest, and balanced reviews of the film I've seen. Totally agree with the complaints about the fight scenes, and some of the CGI... weird considering Black Panther had the same budget as Guardians of the Galaxy 2, and Dr Strange's budget was less than Black Panther.
Same budget as The Last Jedi, too. Black Panther looked like it had twenty percent of that budget.
George Massey That's crazy... I had no idea BP and TLJ's budgets were the same! It's pretty bizarre when you look at different budgets (while slightly adjusting for inflation), and think about the CGI/action sequences in your head...
Black Panther = $200 m
The Last Jedi = $200 m
Thor: Ragnarok = $180 m
Spider-Man: Homecoming = $175 m
Guardians 2 = $200 m
Dr Strange = $165 m
Perhaps Marvel allocated more of the budget towards domestic and international promo for BP? Either way, considering the huge success of this first film... it'll be interesting to see what they can do (with what I'm assuming will be an amped up budget) re CGI/action in the inevitable sequel.
Mmm Ghool I'm sure Marvel would've had to pay loads of royalties re the two Guardians soundtracks too, but having Kendrick (and other artists) write new material for an entire album... I think you're definitely on to something there!
Still really disappointed by the clunky/rubbery CGI, and kind of lacklustre action scenes though... something I think they seriously need to redress in the inevitable sequel.
Lamashtar Huh, interesting! IA, they definitely busted a lot of money on locations too. They filmed in Korea, 3 countries in Africa (South Africa, Zambia, and Uganda), Argentina (specifically Iguazu Falls which is a stunning location), and the US. Seems like the cost of recording an all-star soundtrack, paired with filming at numerous overseas locations, gave Coogler very little wriggle room re CGI/action.
Considering how successful the film has been so far--the BP album seems to be selling very well too--it'll be interesting to see what the budget of an inevitable BP sequel will amount to... because BP and Killmonger looked downright rubbery in the final sound staged scene.
The simple matter is that it's on the filmmaker. I know he is he who should not be named, but MOS had a budget of 225, and Krypton was fucking amazing while Superman learning to fly is also fucking amazing, or look at Gravity having only a 100M budget. But Coogler never did big budget like this before and clearly doesn't have that kind of experience yet.
"It will be taught in schools."
LOL
And that was a real quote?!
Never underestimate journalists. Just don't even try to figure out where gushing and pandering end and a clickbait begins.
I’m currently taking a screenwriting class and one of the movies we’re talking about is black panther lol
And now black panther is the first comic book movie to be nominated for best picture
@@LAFC_LaloWelcome to pandering in liberal arts, went through it too.
I'm kind of with Mike on this one. I went into this film with extremely high expectations because it was so well reviewed and ended up just being disappointed. It wasn't a bad movie, it just wasn't a great movie. It was okay, just like most Marvel films.
I noticed some plot points being taken straight out of iron man 1
Also claw is killed even though hes a trillionair and doesnt need to do something as small as a museum heist
it was a bit below mediocre, average acting, the action was not very good, story was good tho. its at most a 5/10
Not "one of the best reviewed," according to Rotten Tomatoes weighted average, this is THE #1 film of all time. Yes, every other movie you can think of (The Godfather II, Citizen Kane, Amadeus, Shawshank Redemption, etc), EVERYTHING comes after Black Panther in their list. This is the pinnacle of film, according to RT. Very strange . . .
@Paulo Pereira I mean it kind of makes sense. RT isn't x movie is BETTER than y movie. The only thing they can attempt to do is quantify how many people think it's a 5 star film.
RT didn't exist until 1998. Movies have gained more widespread appeal and RT is more popular. So now a few things effect the score. How good the movie is, and how many people are likely to log onto RT and then rate it. And how many people are willing to rate it high, or low for other reasons. So it makes sense that a modern movie will have an easier time getting a high score on RT because there are more people watching it and then going on RT rather than logging on RT to rate a movie that is older.
A lot of people don't understand that Rotten Tomatoes' score is very binary. A movie can be like a C+ to one reviewer, but RT will count that as a positive review overall, and THAT goes towards the RT score.
Generally speaking, you're SUPPOSED to use the site to access multiple reviews quickly, but most people are lazy and just let RT summarize it for them, which leads to stuff like that. Otherwise they'd find a bunch if either middling reviews or reviews from critics with a track record for bias.
@@KetsubanSolo but then the commercials for the movie didnt either because they were going on and on about that
@@cameronroy2129 exactly. The trailers just say "look at how how high the rotten tomatoes score is," which is like "wow this is a must see" to the average filmgoer that doesn't know how the site works.
It's basically the new "quoting a phrase out of context." Ie:
Original quote: What's supposed to be an epic historical drama just barely sputters across the finish line coherently.
Trailer quote: "CRITICS ARE CALLING IT 'EPIC!'
@@KetsubanSolo reviews are pretty bad especially rotten tomatoes because according to them the Ghostbusters revival and the last jedi are good movies and have better scores than much better movies and for a movie like overlord is you look at the low scores they are all stupid or talking about something unrelated to the movie quality like "it was supposed to be a zombie move theres only like two zombies" but the summary of the plot would have been enough to know that's not what it was and that the trailers didnt make people think it was anything like fighting zombie hordes
A people with advanced technology that still uses primitive rituals and fights to the death...
*cough*Klingons*cough*
But klingons entire culture is war. It makes sense. Wakanda is supposed to be enlightened. It's the incongruous elements..
Klingons are also boring as FUCK so we've established a pattern
Interesting
Pretty sure they pointed out how dumb Klingon society is with that anachronism.
Klingons weren't known to be particularly technologically advanced or intelligent. They also were conquerors instead of isolationists.
Anyone else watch way more RLM movie-related content than actual movies?
Definitely. I stopped investing in Star Wars after the first prequel, but I thoroughly enjoy all of the RLM content, even never having seen the films. These guys are gold.
Yeah... Movies fucking suck these days, RLM is way more entertaining
I watch movies only to prep up for the RLM video
I see this comment more then I was actual movies
This comment hit differently.
"Does anyone care about Thanos?" - Aw, Jay... _you_ will.
As a black king that rules a secret country i feel totally connected with this movie and more because you know.... he is black
WE WUZ KANGZ
@@returnfreedom Still are...FU very much...lol
@@HardlineSoul did you feel the SARC in my comment. KUZ THEY WUZ NOT KANGZ.
MuthafAHkuuu
I think Wakanda has the same problem as Asgard. It's a super advanced society with all these archaic things mixed. They have lasers and energy shields but they still use swords and spears. They still have monarchs with absolute power and the power isn't just political, they have actual super powers.
And everything in the world is kept kind of vague. You don't know what regular Wakandans do, just like how you don't know what regular Asgardians do. You don't know how anything in their societies function outside the ruling powers they show.
dude great comment
Superheroes with entire civilizations just for them are stupid: Aquaman, Wonderwoman, this guy, Thor. You name it.
In the time span of a "Marvel" movie, I don't think there's that much time to show that. Maybe if it were based in a TV show which has lots of room for exposition. I thought the same thing after seeing it.
KingOfMadCows That's what makes it unique imo, the mix between super advanced and primitive stuff. I really don't see it as a problem at all but instead just something that the creators of the character thought would be a cool gimmick for his mythology. And like someone else said, there's no time in a MCU blockbuster for all the details of Black Panther's society to be fully explored and explained. You're overthinking it.
Surprised Mike didn't mention Vulcans. A super-advanced society with mating rituals that include fights to the death.
9:13
"Does anyone care about Thanos?"
That statement sure aged well.
TheGoldnGuy it was inevitable.
And it was Iron Man.
Lol I paused the video at this point to see if anyone posted this exact thing. He was right though, Infinity War made him an incredible character, but did anyone care before that?
Post-Endgame, does anyone care about Thanos?
Who's Thanos? I didn't get that reference.
I like how they always warn about spoilers, even though none of us watch the films. We just watch RLM and regurgitate their opinions as our own to our friends
You mean RLM is the movie equivalent of Fantano
Speak for yourself.
I don't have any friends.
@@Lemon_Inspectorcame to say exactly that!
You don’t speak for us all slut
Yes
Why is Forest Whitaker in every damn movie these days, playing the same guy?
see nic cage
He IS the same character. Disney expanded universe, bro.
Lies. Deception
And he always dies in an underdeveloped role with so much fanfare that you're almost convinced that he had an interesting, meaningful role to play.
srolyat save the D R E A M
Morgan Freeman read the script, slammed it on the table and said "I said, just don't talk about it!"
SCP- 36363 omg, Morgan Freeman surly would get aneurysm over all the fuzz people make about this movie xD poor guy
Being happy that people who look like you get more representation = happy that the movie isn't white people.
What?
Maybe they accidentally hired Martin Freeman instead and then had to quickly write a role for him.
+SCP- 36363 I like that you had faith in your audience so not to explain the joke...however, now Marvel will never hire you.
This aged well
"Michael Jee Bordan"
-Jay Bauman
You mean Bay Jauman.
Pretty much a Rich Evans cameo.
I saw a lot of reviews after watching the movie and this i believe is by far the best, most acurate and objetive. Can´t agree more.
The movie was betwen good and "mhee". To much dumb cgi, and pointless action (absurd card chase and bland suden final battle).
It should be more focused on the good history (Michael B. Jordan's arc)
Also Wakanda was wasted a bit
P/S: people who put this movie side by side to Dark Knight or Logan is beyond madness
Kieron Campion that's fine but I enjoy TPM alot and it's shit. People can enjoy shit or enjoy films that aren't as good as TDK and Logan 👍
Kieron Campion right, and you beleive that making you objectively wrong.
I laughed when the armored rhino came out of ... what the ground... when someone blew a whistle. This move was just to silly to be taken seriously.
when batman calls a bat with armor on it to fight the guy dress up as a clown... we can talk. I'm not even a fan of The Dark Night. I liked Begins much better, but still not a fan.
correct.. that is exactly what I said. Why you so into Batman anyways?.. we are talking about a different movie.
it was as if the Lion King and Phantom Menace had a baby
... that was black
Spot on!!!
oh my god... bahahahaha
EXACTLY SAM!
Sam Allen o-oh my god...
"Black Panther sets up an embassy to help children".. so this film is really about family.
if you think that helping children on the other side of the planet that he's never met before is "family", then sure.
Woosh
"family"? movie is about a guy that killed his brother over the throne, and then his son killing his cousin...over the throne.
I read this in Vin Diesel's voice.
What you said is literally about family.
Black Panther... in the house!
Black Panther AHOY!
Very cool
Did anyone else feel physical pain when the sister said “what are those !?”
@@BillySotherden Just wait for black panther 2 when she gives him a belt that dispenses sleeping gas when you dab. That he also never uses, like those stealth shoes.
@@Derek_Keenan Where do you think they got it from cough Hercules cough.
I laughed because I'm a dad and I don't know internet speak.
So is this movie the sequel or the prequel to Black Cougar?
Soft reboot/remake.
No children dungeons in this one, though. Thanks, Hollywood.
It’s a pre-sequel soft seaboot reboot remake of the sequel to black cougar, Black Cougar 2: the Prequel
aenarion21 Re-imagining spin off
Is this a dark, edgy version of the Pink Panther?
That 3d cgi fight looked like something from Reboot.
It looks like a PS2 era video game cinematic. I can't believe they thought that looked okay.
Which 1?
Deluxe, i'm pretty sure there is 2d computer generated imagery too.
I love reboot (y)
Deluxe so if I draw a realistic looking house in gimp and put it on green screen behind shia lebouff then it's still 3d cgi? Is mr plinkett's house on top of mt Everest also 3d cgi?
Man uses a woodoo hide to make a black cougar costume and defeat his cousin Creed to save Space Africa but then realizes that Space Africa must share its magic purple flower to cure cancer. 5/7 feels like marvel while not feeling like marvel. Same but different. And that's what's so powerful about it.
This is what the kids call an amalgamation of deep cuts
You forgot one thing.
It is also about family.
I guess Luke Cage (Netflix) is way more representative of actual real life stuff
I always kinda cringe when people praise this movie so much for representing, well I guess in this case not even African-Americans but just Africans. Or how Eternals is gonna be so progressive that after 50 movies Marvel is finally gonna have a gay main character. Because meanwhile, Luke Cage and Jessica Jones have done all of these things, and in a way that nothing feels forced. Both shows are amazing, season 2 of Luke Cage is some of the best TV out there. I highly recommend all of the Netflix Marvel shows (yes, even Iron Fist, just shut off your brain for that one).
@@TheCosmicSound1 the Defenders shows are extremely underrated and it's a shame that because they're only on netflix there's a high likelihood they won't be considered part of the larger MCU canon anymore, like with Agents of Shield. But yeah, the Defenders series has always done a better job being realistic and diverse than the larger MCU, which almost always does it in a forceful and cheesy way, Black Panther included.
Luke Cage, Who?
@@ollympian_art Riiiiight. Its definitely "forced" to have the movie of an established black superhero who lives in an uncolonized African country have a majority black cast.
@@TheCosmicSound1 Oh yeah, Jessica Jones is fantastic character drama, about morals and ethics, family and trauma. Luke Cage didn't leave me with as much of an impact but also good themes. And Daredevil definitely deserves all the praise it gets because its characters too are super engaging. Even Iron Fist Season 2 very much redeemed the first season. Honestly because Netflix shut it down ending on Jessica Jones season 3 it didn't really go out with a loud bang and will be forgotten sadly.
I clapped because i know Black People
bryan augustus you're right I dont
cowards dont even smoke rocks
UH OH
I know what a toilet full of crap looks like too but I dont clap every time I take a dump
Blade not only predates Black Panther, but was also a better movie and a better hero. Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill in magical Wakandan vibranium ice skates.
Captain Rhodes Blade was cool, but the story has less substance, the side characters are less interesting and the villain is a joke next to Killmonger.
@Kjell Nah.
Blade is more for adults i think, B.P is more for kids and teens. I prefer Blade, by a long mile
@@TheAlmightySnobDog Blade is rated R, all the while BP is PG-13, but that doesn't make it more mature. BP tackles more important and mature themes, while Blade's "maturity" comes only from violence and cursing.
@@SpedeVesku tackling is a bit strong, it's more like it gently caressed these themes
The thing that bothers me the most about this movie is Killmonger. He’s literally gone for an hour, and after a badass intro we have literally NOTHING in the way of character development or motivation from the character. His exposition is literally told from a file, and the entire concept of his creation is muddled because they wasted time to reveal the twist we all saw coming.
We don’t see him grow as a character. He’s kinda just dumped on us at the end, making his “I want to kill every white person on the planet and have a global empire of black people” rhetoric and main motivation completely come out of left field. Him wanting to kill T’Challa makes sense, that’s definitely explicitly shown and stated, his entire plan doesn’t. I get the racial context, I get the feelings, what I don’t get is how the orphaned son of an arms dealer from Wakanda goes to Harvard and becomes a legend in the US military to a militant genocidal radical
It just felt like I missed something. The movie really suffered without having more time for him. Everything just seems squished at the end.
Ti My the good ones do. That’s why the only half decent villain in the entire MCU is Loki. Well aside from the fact that he’s the only one that doesn’t die in the first film.
Otherwise they’re all boring, one dimensional characters with no depth or the illusion of depth, and Killmonger is one of them.
@@timy9197 They don't have to change, but if you're going to tell their origin story it's a good idea to give a good reason for why they turned out this way, otherwise they're unrealistic
If they had focused on the narrative more it could have been so much better.
The message being ‘injustices have and do exist in this world, and some of those are based on arbitrary things like race, but looking at the world as victims vs perpetrators is a warped lens and only leads to hatred.’
They lightly touched on this in the movie, but it’s a powerful theme and one the world needs to hear right now.
That's what's so frustrating, the pieces are there but they fumbled them.
Wow this is very well-put
Reza Lustig I was about the say the same thing, if you strip land from its resources and impose poverty to people who have inhabited that land and the effect of that is then seen over a course of generations, there is then a clear victim and clear perpetrator.
@@rezalustig6773 Everyone has been a perpetrator and everyone has been a victim of something. Humans are too complex to label as victims and perpetrators as a whole. If you think in a way such as: White man = perpetrator, Black man = Victim, than your lens is as warped as someone like hitler.
"Looking at racial injustice as victim v perpetrator only leads to hatred"
Oh I suppose those white men enslaving thousands of black people were full of kindness. No way they started any of this hatred.
Good movie. However, overhyped and overestimated to an extent I have never seen before.
The marketing department sure earned their paychecks on this that's for sure.
The fact that African Americans place auch importance on the film to the point they are on Fallon crying about how life changing it is, compared to I don’t know...Roots..is really sad
@Djbred18
Black people might appreciate black panther more since it was made for black people to unapologetically enjoy afrofuturism and afrofantasy with some interesting modern themes we deal with whereas Roots is made to make white people feel bad about slavery since y’know it’s sometimes hard to get white people to acknowledge how big that was, it wasn’t made for us it just had us in it. Kinda like how Irish Americans don’t JUST want to see movies about them being indentured servants after the potato famine or Chinese Americans ONLY seeing movies about them building the railroads.
The whole decade*
Matt Damon already opened Wakanda to the world in Elysium
That was Whitekanda, the one in space. Totally different place.
@@lookoutforchris different place, same immigration policy
@@EricJacobusOfficial whitekanda, whitekanda, neo-colonialism needs a leader state either way
Black panther is about family.
costin saceanu cool
Vin diesel: Family
I thought that would be subverting expectations.
Black Panther is about the fam
And that what makes it so powerful
"I think I'm getting tired of Marvel movies"
I've been there for like the last 5 years...
Wooooord !
I prefer the Pink Panther
That's a very different superhero.
That's a feminist superhero
Ah, I see you too are a true intellectual.
I like how the Pink Panther solves problems by just being cool.
Pink Panther would make Black Panther drop a Piano on his own head :D
Comparing this movie to The Dark Knight is laughable.
I think comparing it to Ant Man would be generous. I think the movie was just okish.
I’m so done with this channel now. They can’t admit when something is actually good. This movie is amazing, even though it has problems. Easily the best story, villain, music, and themes of any Marvel film I’ve seen.
Comparing most films to the Dark Knight is laughable cuz that film is damn near perfect... that said, Killmonger reminded me of the Joker in places because he actually convinced the hero that he is right, and that one upside down shot reminded me of the end of the Dark Knight when Joker talks about how insanity just takes a little push. Both villains are excellent. Joker is better, but I think Killmonger gets fairly close.
It had the best villain of any Marvel movie, which is really fucking easy. The rest was average. They do admit it's good. But it's faaaaaaar from great. If you want your shitty fanboy opinion regurgitated maybe this isn't the channel for you.
Yeah cause black panther is a good movie and dark knight is overated
No Rich Evans? =/
Out with type 17 diabetes.
RedTeamReview Hopefully no you either.
As Kanye once said, Rich Evans doesn't care about black people.
26:23 There you go.
He was the victem of a new Diabetes-AIDS hybrid.
During the closing credits I saw the Lucasfilm logo, I clapped when I saw it
"I have so many problems I have to take so many pills for my problems"
the first decent intro on youtube
Only topped by "HALF IN DA BAAAAAG!"
You mean this movie about people in cat suits fighting over magic space rocks has a few flaws and it isn't the greatest cinematic masterpiece ever created in the history of mankind? I am shocked! Shocked and amazed!
they did not say that. so your fake flaw is fake :).
Guys lets make... a generic superhero movie... but with black people.
🎶 we’re in the money 🎶
10/10 best film
Great, now I can’t get “Black Cougar”
"black cougars" will improve your search results. trust me.
its good but not "black jesus" level great.
"king shall be the one who is best fighter" is stupid. and VERY primitive. killmonger never would been able to do things and horrors to wakanda he did, if they had election for who is the king.
do not type that
Isn't Halle Berry the "Black Cougar" ?
It was an overall good film, though far from Marvel's best. My issue is the hype surrounding it. It's fine but it's hugely overrated.
Here's the thing - I don't think that everyone loved it at all. I think that a lot of people were afraid to criticise it. And that's a huge difference.
It was good enough to do favorably without the social pressure to give it nothing but rave reviews.
This is the first strong, black superhero since everybody forgot abotut the last strong, black superhero.
HOORAY
Anon Amous which was?
You forgot Hancock (2008)
it's just the first strong character since the virtue signaling and identify politics way of viewing the world took over the internet.
I mean, there was Blade, but the way the films were was that really so much a superhero film as much as a Matrix rip-off that was based on a comic book?
Frizzurd "I think the the last strong black superhero sucked therefore he does not exist"
You have no argument. Why did you even bother commenting.
Why don’t those people who want Marvel to donate their profits just donate the money they were gonna spend on a ticket?
Because that would still be way less than 25% on Disney's profits lol
hell, I have seen black people demanding that blacks should be able to watch Black Panther for free.
It's that loop of people telling other people to donate to charitable causes while refusing to sacrifice anything significant themselves for the same thing.
On other words it's people sitting on their high horses being hypocrites.
BeczaBot this guy gets it. Black people don’t invest in anything. But they demand everyone else invest heavily in them...
clariola lack of black investment in their communities and businesses is a classic economics problem. Read any of the hundreds of papers on it. The fact you think it’s a lie is just ignorance. It’s one of the major hurdles to improvement and they’re doing it to themselves. Go watch Chris Rock in “I’m Gonna Got You Sucka” if you want a humorous take on the lack of investment inherent in black culture.
Meanwhile over a trillion dollars from the American tax payer has been spent since LBJ to provide welfare and social services to inner city blacks and the results have been less than zero improvement.
I'm ready for the sequel Black Panther 2: Rise Of The White Tiger.
Leave White Tiger out of this.
I wonder wakkanda movie would it turn out to be.
And now you just made me think of Holy Diver. Thanks a lot.
I'm a survivor, feeling like De Niro in Taxi Driver
The true hero of the Marvel Cinematic Movieverse is Ronnie James Dio.
Now do a review of "Who Killed Captain Alex?"
Backstage Bum Don't talk shit about Wakaliwood, those guys are fucking awesome and they make great shirts and really entertaining movies.
TIGER MAFIA
*C O M M A N D O S*
Greatest movie of all time, not up for debate. Makes Saving Private Ryan look like a B movie.
Who Killed Black Panther?
Beyond any of the politics and whatnot, I’m still just amazed that people don’t realize they’re being marketed to when they hear “You HAVE to go see this movie.” Like, no, I don’t. If I’m interested, I’ll try to go see it. If not, I won’t. There’s no urgency in consuming this kind of media. People do not seem to have caught up to the fact that these are big budget studio films trying to make a huge profit, and to the studios you’re just another potential purchaser, so they’ll do whatever they can to get you into the theater.
I haven't watched a Marvel movie since Iron Man 2, or was it Captain America... Enough cheese for me. Same goes for DC with last being Dark Knight Rises. None of the Universe BS. And I feel good.
*THE WORLD...
...IS CHANGING*
pSyk BWOOGHHHHHHHH
DUNDUNDUNDUNDUNDUNDUNDUNDUNDUNDDUN
THE WORLD....... has already changed!!!
pSyk thank the universe
_War has changed._
"I'm a rational person" - Man who believes in ghosts
Being rational has nothing to do with believing in ghosts or the like, and believing in supernatural or non empirical ideas does not inherently make a person irrational. I know it's a joke but it's one born out of ignorance.
Gabriel Katapano Well, considering those are irrational beliefs, it certainly does have to do with being a rational person.
What is irrational about believing in ghosts?
You mean skhosts
He said he was interested in supernatural stuff. He never said he believes in ghosts
"It avoids the Bigger Iron Man problem"
No it didn't.
Agree with Jay here. The best part is left mostly unexplored to rush into the final set piece. It was fun but critics hyping it as the next coming....yeah it's not.
I never understood why the villain burned all those purple plants. Why not just roid up on all of them at once?
Because he didnt want another guy to become as powerfull as him...despite him saying he wanted to share Wakanda with his "brothers" around the world...boy, this movies wasnt that smart, wasnt?
pergproductions probably because it only roids you up one time and drinking more flower juice won't make you stronger
I saw it as his way to end the history of Wakanda. Its one of the biggest items they have to hold control over others that lead to them keeping them from helping their fellow brothers and sisters. Yes he's still got the powers from it but by burning it he was ensuring no one else would do it once he passed.
As others mentioned, they don't continue to increase your abilities the more you take, it's given just the one time and doesn't go away. Burning the plants ensures no one else gets abilities from them.
Also, Bilbo's character mentions something about it being a sort of CIA or military tactic.
I thought it was because he didn't like the effect it had on him (seeing his father) because it made him emotional and he didn't know how to handle it. So he destroyed the plants so he would never have to deal with the pain again. Just my opinion though.
Best rol of Michael Jordan since Space Jam.
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Take your "like", good sir.
I mean... Geeeez! Finally! A decent joke! Thanks.
glad to see that im not the only one that felt that black panther was over hyped. it was a good movie but not exceptional.
"It's the first black superhero movie" lmfao
WeezaY5000 Nope. Blankman.
nah, steel with that juicy Shaq meat
Meteor Man?
Yep Meteor Man was the first. Good shit.
I'm old.
The problem with superhero movies is the villain IS usually right. Like, the villain is the one who wants to change the status quo and is usually given some real criticism to add some depth to them. They'll do something evil or take it too far in order justify stopping them. Superhero movies are basically inherently conservative, their heroes try to stop the world from changing, they never actively try to change it themselves.
This is exactly why those movies are so successful. Most people don't like to be entertained and challenged at the same time. Superhero Movies are the equivalent to a pat on the back saying "Don't think, don't worry, it's all fine. We'll handle this" In Germany this is called "Biedermeier" ;-)
Wait, wasn't the point of Black Panther was that he did do what the villain wanted but in the hero's own way?
Killmonger, just like Magneto, are NOT RIGHT.
Genocide is never "RIGHT"
btpbtpbtp havent seen Black Panther, I mean in general. Going off of what Jay said
You're fucking dumb if you believe that, especially with this film's villain.
Like seriously, did you mom drop you on your damn head?
Is Black Panther replacing Black Cougar?
Is Blackenstein replacing Blackula?
Is Dolomite replacing Black Dynamite?
No because Black Cougar is the ( *whirls hands like a helicopter* ) ONLY superhero that protects children
The Black Ninja is replacing Black Panther.
you're mom's a black cougar
The entire 3rd act battle is scene for scene the Battle of Naboo and Duel of the Fates from Phantom Menace.
The Last Jedi was an inside job
Tibanna gas can't melt tractor beams
I speculated it was a suicide finish.
I heard the black couger theme and I clapped!
I hated the shaky cam. I absolutely hated the god damn shaky cam.
Hey, remember that Black Panther movie that came out three weeks ago? Me neither.
$1.3B box office, deal with it. :)
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A bunch of idiots rewatching a film that as good as it is basic doesn't mean it isn't forgettable
It's as "good" as it is "basic?"
Black Panther was good but not that good.
I liked Martin Freeman the most out of this movie because he is such a charismatic guy.
It’s interesting that every supporting character in the film, is far more interesting than Black Panther.
Black Panther is my favourite anime.
The manga was better
It’s just a shitty knockoff of the true greatest anime, Black Cougar.
Dungeon Dad my sister said freeze and I said I NEVA FREEZE than I beat up the bad guys and walked away.
As long as you acknowledge that the best anime ever made is Cory in the House.
The manga was better.
My wakanda don't want none unless you got guns, hun
I like that Thanos was still a joke leading up to Infinite War, he easily could have been Stephenwolf but they wisely invested so much into his character.
But like stephenwolf isn't the mirror image to Thanos, but Darkseid is
@@abhigyanbhowmick9238 Darkeid is the equivalent of.. I can't think of anyone else that boring... his omega beam is the closest thing he has to a personality. He's a conquerer, his motivation begins and ends there. Maybe I'm missing something but what depth does he have?
@@TrailCamCaptures Oh yeah I get you. In reality he can be a very boring character. But so can joker too, if you think about it he has no motivation, and he just wants to bring chaos. What darkseid brings to the table, is the questioning of what it means to have self-determination. Like the anti-life equation is what he is looking for, compared to thanos who is looking for the rings to help the universe. The anti- life equation actually destroys free will, and stuff like that. Darkseid doesn't kill anyone. He destroys what it means to have free-will. In face value he practically has the same motivation as any villian
YOU JUST KEEP HITTING THOSE HOME RUNS, DISNEY!!!
Assuming sarcasm, you are aware that all three Disney Star Wars movies are the top grossing movies of their year domestically (and breaking the 1 billion mark easy) so if you think they'll change their ways I think you will disappointed because whatever fuck they are doing to sane story structure and moviemaking, it works fine for their corporate coffers.
He's quoting one of RLM's previous videos.
Sorry, Blade is still better.
lmfao
Yeah, but we're probably not gonna get another Blade movie anytime soon. I'll gladly take more Black Panther in the meanwhile.
The opening of Blade is still better than this entire movie.
That's the R rating I hope Hellboy goes.
Blade would beat the shit out of Black Panther and Black Cougher at the same time.
Alot of people died this movie. I liked that there were actually consequences. Villan was pretty good. And glad that vibramium will be used more.
Rest was standard marvel. Also glad black panther wasn't joking around too much
Well, a lot of people die every coronation and every challenge - have you seen them standing on those goddamn ledges with zero safety rails and shit?
Mainly knew Chadwick for the Jackie Robinson movie. Wish they did more justice with him in BP since he was amazing in Civil War. Rest in Peace and God speed. 🙏
I’m very liberal and I love that there is diversity in movies but I’m seeing this big trend amongst official movie reviewers where if there is a diverse cast it automatically gets really high reviews universally and I can’t help but wonder if Wonder Woman was wonder man and if black panther was a white male character in the exact same movies if those reviews would be the same?
Just because you can't see why these movies are good doesn't mean they're being given high scores solely because of diversity.
It's just another angle that marketing departments can use to generate hype. Diversity itself isn't the problem so much as marketing - Disney is amazing at marketing and generating hype, whether it uses diversity (Black Panther) or just gets people riled up in anticipation of a big franchise (The Force Awakens). Ghostbusters tried to do the same thing and failed miserably. More recently, Annihilation made an all-female movie and didn't even advertise it as such, which is noble enough, but resulted in a much smaller box office return.
Or when Ang Lee directed the Hulk. You wouldn't like it when he's Ang Lee.
Blank panther is overated af
OutFreak28 I think it's more of a Xbox thing
I actually think it is a pretty decent film.. killmonger is legit a far left brainwashed hyper PC nut. It was nice to see that embodied in a villain. But it's not the greatest thing for sure.
Dr. Strangelove How is Killmonger a "PC nut" when he wants to start a war and kill a bunch of people? there is nothing politically correct about using superior technology to kill a shit ton of human beings. He is more of a militant extremist nut.
Because he's a revolutionary that is basically a 60s African leader
Which happen to be socialists
How do people hate this movie? This is one of my favorite Marvel movies I've ever seen, and reminded me of how I felt with the first Captain America movie, before getting fatigued with the Marvel universe. It had a genuinely good villain, and a genuinely interesting ethical debate. I think to /hate/ (I say hate specifically, not just not loving it) this movie you'd have to lack the ability to empathize with stories that you don't personally see yourself in, which is sad.
Shouldn't it be called 'African American Panther'?
'Person of Color Panther' haha
It should just have been called 'Panther', as they only come in "African American".
@@A_Haunted_Pancake you are forgetting the albino panthers who get accused of cultural appropriation
T'Challa is not american.
Token Panther
SPOILERS
One think I thought was pretty cool was the way they used the camera when Killmonger took over they cut to the thrown with the camera upside down and using the music by having it be more traditional when T'Challa was king but when Killmonger became king the music changed to a more rap type beat.
11:16 love the nod to Spectacular Spider-man xD
*scene from spider-man 3 killed me
Oh Hai Jax. How's your workout life?
oh i thought that was spiderman 3
Better than any of the movies.
I legitimately want to know what their opinion on Spectacular Spider-Man is. Watch it, Mike, Jay, and Rich! you actually won't regret it!
Michael G. Boredom
Watchtower Database you... I will come for you..
Chadwick Boredman
I almost missed that hahaha
Stand Pee
Michael G. 🅱️ordon
Andy Serkis is the best part of this film
Conor Cunningham his role was stealing powerful artifact again
@@Redmanticore And he does it really well
It was nice to see a live action adaptation of Andy Serkis
"I made it rain!"
It was a shame that they killed him, he seemed to be having so much fun with the character
We used to roast Stay-Puft marshmallows by the fire at Camp Wakanda.
You are not funny just like 99% of kids on the internet leaving comments.
thunder cleez dude, its a ghostbuster reference. chill
Blade will forever be the first black superhero movie.
b1indmailman Nope. Meteor Man and Steel
b1indmailman technically Blade isn’t a superhero tho he’s a vampire hunter
Blade is awesome!
Steel disagrees
What happened to Spawn?
Man, Forest Whitaker hasn't turned in a decent performance since Last King Of Scotland.
Joorum they did reuse set pieces from Thor 3 and for Infinity War.
He was good in The Butler.
> Forest Whitaker hasn't turned down a performance since Last King of Scotland
Yea but he’s cashed in some decent paycheques since Last King of Scotland!
Whitaker doesn't die in Bloodsport.
Magical Space Rocks were the only thing that enabled an African nation to escape colonialism and allowed them to advance technologically past other cultures.
@uNnHkP8mza Citation needed
theres a bit of irony in criticizing a system that installs rulers with ritual combat, while drinking from a star trek mug. not to say the klingon empire doesnt suck, but yknow
Isn't that how USA decides their president? Two people engage in ritual combat on live TV and then the nation votes on who won, and whoever gets the least votes gets to be president.
Not really. They criticized Star Trek for the same contradiction.
sorry can you post a link? i would look it up but i got juice in my keyboard so i cant
Klingon scientists get no respect.
klingons do really dope science, like how to kill people really really really good. klingons doing science on, like, agriculture or medicine or whatever, THOSE guys get no respect
Life extended by 30 minutes
Fix the audio on season 1 video plox kthxbai
IT BROKE NEW GROUND!!!!!
gravediggers break new ground too ya know.
Dimitri Sánchez it’s still true though because that’s the critical reaction to this movie.
Because the ground contained Vibranium.
yep you are right, groundbreaking if i am not mistaken was the word that was used over and over by critics
Killmonger: oh I just can't waaaaaiiiittttt to be king!
idk why they'd say the movie feels refreshing and new when all I got from this episode was that the actors are good, the villain has sensible motivation and the visuals are interesting. Seems like a generic super hero movie with little to say.
Because you hardly get that with Marvel movies. Villains always have shit motivation or nothing at all, never have a message to make you think, and it was 90% serious. Most marvel movies are comedy comedy comedy
Timeyin Sholaye yeah but Marvel was too skittish to tackle the most interesting villain. He barely got screen time and his ideals weren’t fleshed out. You can tell the producers felt uncomfortable going all in on the oppression narrative so you had a second mini movie about the red herring Ulysses Claw
I don't know how many of the other commentators actually saw the movie, but when watching it, it doesn't feel overwhelmingly like a superhero movie for most of its runtime. The primary conflict is really over a succession struggle and rival ideologies about the running of a state and the obligations of the powerful to the weak (Michael B. Jordan's character does explicitly say he will be supporting every oppressed group, not just black people). It's only in the car chase scene and
at the end with the dualing Black Panthers that it really feels like a superhero movie.
The succession system they establish for Wakanda with ritual combat does actually provide a much stronger basis for why it would be resolved with personal combat, but it still does feel a little disappointing resolution to the conflict of the movie. Especially because it actually has the Hegelian thesis-antithesis-synthesis form in working through the ideological conflict. While a succession struggle does give a good reason for resolving it with violence, they don't do much to tie the sides to strength of ideology, which is why the ending battle feels kinda cheap.
That and because they were just desperate to find something for Martin Freeman to do so he doesn't feel as utterly unnecessary as he actually was. I mean, I love him as an actor, but holy crap did he feel out of place. Maybe it was a comment on tokenism, because the movie seemed VERY aware of this, but I really just wish he weren't in the movie after Busan.
Guess I went to the wrong Black Cougar site. It was a bunch of black women and webcams!
I think Jay said it best in another video i think it was in the Thor Ragnarok review.Marvel movies at this point should be treated like a tv show, only we get a new episode every 3-4 months.The only thing that we should expect from the standalone movies is to at least try to be something different like it has been happening after civil war.Ragnarok was basically a comedy, Spiderman Homecoming a coming of age teen movie,Black Panther a very good representation of various issues.They are still entertaining but also have an identity.I am afraid though that with Infinity war coming they really wont like that one because i really dont think you can do that in a movie like this with 2000 characters all over the place and constant action probably.Infinity war is for those who love the franchise from the get go.I cant wait for tha review and i hope Rich is with them on that one
Regarding combat to choose a leader, even for a country with advanced technology. Remember that most of the tribes rejected the opportunity to challenge for the throne, and Shuri was in the crowd openly mocking the ceremony. Which gives some indication that perhaps the challenge ceremony is normally just that, a "ceremony" that was supposed to be a mere formality. It may have been a surprise that anyone would actually do a challenge. Both characters that did it, at different times in the movie, had chips on their shoulders for various reasons.
Anyway, the challenge ceremony is from the comics, so just go with it. :)
If Klingons (which RLM loves) can have advanced tech yet still do mortal combat for rulership, then why can't another fictional society?