Peep this tech with prisms. Matchless agility one prism to move 20" to get line of site on a backfield unit that thought it was safe. Yes, it can't fire but guess who can fire through it. Your other two prisms. I did this at a tournament against a guard parking lot with a ton of indirect. Then teleported the yncarne into his lines and went to work. It was a thing to behold.
Great vid as always, a note on why I do rate Prince - his redeploy 3 units happens outside of the usual declaration of strat reserves, so this does also mean that the units placed into reserve no longer suffer from the round based penalties. Can come in turn one from strat reserve, and can also wait until round 4 or 5. So you can take 3 prisms, then pick up 2 fire prisms and a Dcann. Place them in such a way to get some crazy alpha even if you do go first, with the Dcann placed 23" away somewhere unexpected and the prisms all seeing each other and various enemies :)
(This is the same rules allowances that mean a custodes/demons player etc to pick up on my first turn, then come in from deepstrike in their 1st turn when they go second)
@@ProxyHammer1 I saw Yvraine and the Yncarne so was going to ask where the Visarch is, but I guess you'll cover him in that video? I am putting together a four Crones list (so plus Yriel and plenty of Corsairs) so was hoping for some tips.
@@Baron_Laska Yes the Visarch will be covered separately, although I’m kicking myself for thinking he was a dark Eldar unit before recording…lmfao it’s been a long week for me lol 😆
Good Review. No Cobra or Scorpion, Could probably have mentioned top 3 Dark Eldar Units to take with Yvrainne as well as best units to attach her to. Personally Mandrakes & Ravagers are spectacular. Mandrakes are new for Ynnari this edition, if I recall correctly they were not previously an option. Kabelites & firing Deck or two Venoms may also be a thing but Arne't in my Yvrainne Ynnari list. I definitely overlooked the Death Jester and re-added him to my list. I love that model and did some work in 9th with him. Glad to see he's useful and available fo rYnnari as well.
Ya I could have included those units but seeing as I plan to include them in my Ynnari videos this next week I thought it best to leave them out for now! Very good units though!
As a little note about Karandras. He DOES do something the squad doesn't do. He has devastating wounds on monsters and vehicles. He doesn't get it against titanic, but he does actually have some anti big thing. It's not great but it isn't nothing, don't think it bumps him up a tier though.
Problem is, Eldar doesn't exactly have a problem with Monsters and Vehicles, so while he does allow the unit to do some anti-vehicle, you could instead take another of any of the anti-tank options instead and task that instead.
I feel that the big change we will see to the army come September will be capping the detachment abilty to once per battleround rather than activation as it is now, because when looking at the top tier units they heavily benefit from it and being able to pop it off multiple times in a turn. Best example that comes to my mind is the Wraithlord, you can shoot and fight twice in a battle round with it, so gets to enjoy 3 super reliable attempts at using their biggest anti vehicle/monster weapons.
Capping the detachment ability to once per round would really suck 🫤 I mean it’s good but is it really “that good” to the point where you have to limit it to once per round? I personally don’t think so but who knows GW is capable of anything and you may be right!
@ProxyHammer1 I just see it as a super easy to enact and announce nerf that would objectively cut down on the effectiveness of the heaviest weapons in the army. Or GW could be bold and fix mortals and DW to not be a problem anymore, but I'm being more conservative and expecting the easier change.
No worry for the wait time ! In WTC rules 2023 I was shocked to see we cannot reroll the 3 additional Fate dices of Eldrad 😮 Don't know why they restricted him even further than GW did because you are right that even with 15 dices it's usual not to roll any 6 contrary to what non eldar players are thinking. I have a Warp Hunter but I never used it so I cannot say, but it's only 130 so I will use it once definitely just to see
Ya you can only roll the original 12 but the three additional still gives you some cushion to be able to reroll a few times if you don’t like your result.
Love me some fire dragons. Easily my favourite Aspect. I think k it's perfectly acceptable to be good at a narrow role it was designed for, as opposed to, say 9th Ed banshees!
Generally agree but I would shift a couple of them around a bit. S: Spiritseer A: Falcon, Shroud Runners, Fuegan B: Striking Scorpions C: Shadowseer, Shinning Spears D: Also, did I miss the Visarch? I can't see him on there.
...maybe a controversial opinion but, last time I remember Banshees being anything above lousy was 3rd edition. They're a fast melee unit, that crumples like tin foil if their preferred targets hit back, or if the Banshees actually wipe the unit off the board, they WILL themselves get wiped from the opponents return fire. They die way too easy, and are ineffective against their intended targets for their point cost.
I would have appreciated bigger pictures, and at least, A picture of the unit being discussed at the top of the info panel. I haven't memorized all the units, and the pictures are too small on the left to figure out after the fact which one was talked about, so I have to keep on querying google for each unit. Eventually, I just gave up.
Maugan Ra is VERY effective. 6 very good shoots, making your reapers (including the 2D6 shoots from the tempest launcher) always hit on 2+ and... if someone charge you and has survived the overwatch (or if you want to finish a very close unit (aka infiltrator squad with the phobos librarian giving them the shrouding) by charging them) he is good in melee too. Always make him attack in last because his face of death is fantastic too. I love him.
@@DreyfDreyf He’s definitely cool! I just wish he did something that another unit of Dark Reapers couldn’t achieve (sadly he’s just more anti infantry damage in an anti infantry unit).
@@ProxyHammer1 With the strenght 7 of the Maugetar I think (in fact, I know, because I've done it several times) that he can finish a damaged vehicule. 6 shoots, wounding on 5+ is not so bad and you can reroll all with face of death. You will have one or two 6 (=> devastating wound) plus one or two normal wounds. Clearly not the best use for dark reapers, but if you need it, it works. And, Frankly, I like the melee capacity. You want to charge? Are you sure? Ok, come and get some! ;-)
Question about the 'halves damage' if you get hit by a damage 3 weapon does it round up or down? Also thank you for simplyfing some abilities, some of those are just uggh, why do oyu need a paragraph to describe 'free overwatch on this unit'
Agree with a lot of these. I don't think rangers, Shroud runners and the Falcon belong in the same tier as the Wraithknight, Fire prism and Warp spiders.
Wraith knight, prism, and warp spiders I would consider “problematic” and probably in need of nerfing. I should have put a “OP” tier in there as well haha 😂
I have mixed feelings about this. My army has revolved around spiders and spears since I started Eldar in 4th, adding spectres when they were released. My army's barely changed over the years, just for points really. Now Spiders, my favourite aspect, are dominant in the meta. I like my favourites getting a boost, but I hate looking like a meta chaser (even though almost all of my 45 spiders are metal). It is nice to finally win a few games, though.
I feel you man and trust me if you are running Spears no one should cause you of meta chasing! You are just running what you love regardless of the rules and I respect that 😎
Haha, I feel like they balance my 30 spiders in my 3k list! I always write my list around what I love. Your videos have been so great for helping me work out HOW to play my units and get the most out of them. I've been having much more fun in 9th and now 10th because of it!
Ikr? Some of the units I put in there were due to the fact that they are super good just outshined by the really busted units atm like the Wraithknight
People undervalue the strength of move shoot move abilities like what Baharoth has. Played wih finesse it's crazy strong at scoring and denying points or just for staying safe.
It’s a great ability just not one that I think is that great on hawks when compared to either shadow Spectres who get it base or scourges in Ynnari armies. Still good though! I’ve used Baharroth in one game this edition in 1k and he and his unit performed well!
@@ProxyHammer1 shadowspectres deep strike once, hawks can do it 5 times if you go second. That has the potential to land near multiple objectives, shoot units off, and then walk onto them without CP use if they weren't perfectly screened. Also 10 hawks hitting on a 2+ with bladestorm becomes a wicked proposition into a lot of targets.
I don't think the wraithknight is op. Winning list all have shadow spectres. I've been playing with a wraithknight and two fire prisms and it really doesn't feel op. I have a skathach in the list now as well. Sure when you could spend all of your fate 6s at once it was insane for a turn but not anymore. I don't run shadow spectres or warp spiders and I'm not wiping my opponent or scoring secondaries well.
I just removed the WK from my basic list because it will be nerfed again in september and because for the cost I may take some other juicy units like the Yncarne, so best imo to learn to play without it right now. But currently it still has a devastating output so if I was asked by a mate to replace somebody for a team tournament happening soon I would definitely take him
@@ProxyHammer1 they can yeah, but an invulnerable and a feel no pain can deal with it no problem. A ghost ark or two can deal with a wraithknight and fire prism. Maybe I'm shooting the wrong targets but it never kills it's points worth when I use it before it dies. Towering doesn't help. If the terrain is all los blocking it could easily hide with CP, but if tournaments are doing that it's their own fault wraithknights are op not the wraithknights fault. The point of towering is so big stuff can't hide. Ruins are supposed to have windows. Only the ground floor should be los blocking.
@@templarwargaming3202 none because they're barely available in the US. I've got some proxies on the way but they're taking forever. I can tell you from experience having a wraithknight won't win games. If you check goonhammer 40k stats for Aeldari all top list are running either wraith guard, spectres, and or warp spiders, Fire prisms, maybe night spinners. Those are the game winning units IMO. If they nerf the wraithknight again it probably won't be in tournament list anymore, and it probably won't change our win rate.
Am I though? I think with a few I was a bit biased because I have a soft spot for them but considering we have a lot of really great units I dont think I was too far off
Wraithknights are absolute beasts I feel so dirty playing them. Wiped nearly half my opponents list with triple WK going first. Dude had no counterplay after. Shadowspectres also are just insane value
Going all out does not mean spam one of the best units in the game it means play the best you can without pulling punches it takes little to no skill to just slap 3 WKs on the table and it just ruins the game for the other guy cuz you know what is going to happen even if you go second
@@Trinine9 Completely wrong, going all out is not pulling your punches in any way. My buddy wanted the absolute best most toxic eldar list I gave it to him and he was happy.
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Peep this tech with prisms. Matchless agility one prism to move 20" to get line of site on a backfield unit that thought it was safe. Yes, it can't fire but guess who can fire through it. Your other two prisms. I did this at a tournament against a guard parking lot with a ton of indirect. Then teleported the yncarne into his lines and went to work. It was a thing to behold.
Dude that is sick as fuck!!! Well played good sir!! Did you also phantasm it in your opponents turn and get out of LOS again 😉
@@ProxyHammer1 Mosdef
Great vid as always, a note on why I do rate Prince - his redeploy 3 units happens outside of the usual declaration of strat reserves, so this does also mean that the units placed into reserve no longer suffer from the round based penalties.
Can come in turn one from strat reserve, and can also wait until round 4 or 5. So you can take 3 prisms, then pick up 2 fire prisms and a Dcann. Place them in such a way to get some crazy alpha even if you do go first, with the Dcann placed 23" away somewhere unexpected and the prisms all seeing each other and various enemies :)
(This is the same rules allowances that mean a custodes/demons player etc to pick up on my first turn, then come in from deepstrike in their 1st turn when they go second)
Oh nice didn’t realize you could come in turn one with his ability that is awesome! Solid tip I’ll keep that in mind!
I agree with the vast majority of your ratings.
I figured I was pretty fair outside of a few of my favs!
There's really only 2 ratings - ones you would take, and those you wouldn't.@@ProxyHammer1
I've had great success with Falcon deepstriking with Prince Yriel and 5 voidreavers and doing backline shenanigans
Nice dude I absolutely believe it!! Rerolls to wound and great OC!
I'd like to see the shining spears and howling banshees drop maybe 10 pts apiece, but they're probably more worried about nerfing us into the ground.
Same here both those units need a price decrease
Banshees aren't a point issue, they need more killing power and true fights first.
@@LoftOfTheUniverse They need a few buffs imo
Thanks for the awesome breakdown.
My pleasure man! 😅
The swooping hawks look really cool
I love how they work this edition!
This is an excellent and helpful video. You've gone into a lot of depth. thanks for that.
My pleasure! Ynnari are next!
@@ProxyHammer1 I saw Yvraine and the Yncarne so was going to ask where the Visarch is, but I guess you'll cover him in that video? I am putting together a four Crones list (so plus Yriel and plenty of Corsairs) so was hoping for some tips.
@@Baron_Laska Yes the Visarch will be covered separately, although I’m kicking myself for thinking he was a dark Eldar unit before recording…lmfao it’s been a long week for me lol 😆
@@ProxyHammer1 well he has a chequered past (both aspect exarch and incubi) so I can see your thinking!
@@Baron_Laska He has always looked more Dark Eldar to me but ya he is very cool 😎
Good Review. No Cobra or Scorpion, Could probably have mentioned top 3 Dark Eldar Units to take with Yvrainne as well as best units to attach her to. Personally Mandrakes & Ravagers are spectacular. Mandrakes are new for Ynnari this edition, if I recall correctly they were not previously an option. Kabelites & firing Deck or two Venoms may also be a thing but Arne't in my Yvrainne Ynnari list. I definitely overlooked the Death Jester and re-added him to my list. I love that model and did some work in 9th with him. Glad to see he's useful and available fo rYnnari as well.
Ya I could have included those units but seeing as I plan to include them in my Ynnari videos this next week I thought it best to leave them out for now! Very good units though!
As a little note about Karandras. He DOES do something the squad doesn't do. He has devastating wounds on monsters and vehicles. He doesn't get it against titanic, but he does actually have some anti big thing. It's not great but it isn't nothing, don't think it bumps him up a tier though.
Ya fair point he can take on light vehicles pretty effectively which can be pretty good!
Problem is, Eldar doesn't exactly have a problem with Monsters and Vehicles, so while he does allow the unit to do some anti-vehicle, you could instead take another of any of the anti-tank options instead and task that instead.
@@erikvale3194 He is good just not S tort good
I feel that the big change we will see to the army come September will be capping the detachment abilty to once per battleround rather than activation as it is now, because when looking at the top tier units they heavily benefit from it and being able to pop it off multiple times in a turn.
Best example that comes to my mind is the Wraithlord, you can shoot and fight twice in a battle round with it, so gets to enjoy 3 super reliable attempts at using their biggest anti vehicle/monster weapons.
Capping the detachment ability to once per round would really suck 🫤 I mean it’s good but is it really “that good” to the point where you have to limit it to once per round? I personally don’t think so but who knows GW is capable of anything and you may be right!
@ProxyHammer1 I just see it as a super easy to enact and announce nerf that would objectively cut down on the effectiveness of the heaviest weapons in the army.
Or GW could be bold and fix mortals and DW to not be a problem anymore, but I'm being more conservative and expecting the easier change.
@@oliverp3545 You make some good points as always 😉 I’ll have to expect some kind of change to our detachment bonus as well 🫤
Love your vids and the thought you put into them!
Dude thank you so much man I try 😅
No worry for the wait time ! In WTC rules 2023 I was shocked to see we cannot reroll the 3 additional Fate dices of Eldrad 😮 Don't know why they restricted him even further than GW did because you are right that even with 15 dices it's usual not to roll any 6 contrary to what non eldar players are thinking.
I have a Warp Hunter but I never used it so I cannot say, but it's only 130 so I will use it once definitely just to see
Ya you can only roll the original 12 but the three additional still gives you some cushion to be able to reroll a few times if you don’t like your result.
Love me some fire dragons. Easily my favourite Aspect. I think k it's perfectly acceptable to be good at a narrow role it was designed for, as opposed to, say 9th Ed banshees!
Agreed! Aspect warriors should have a narrow role but excel in it and I think Fire Dragons do just that!
Generally agree but I would shift a couple of them around a bit.
S: Spiritseer
A: Falcon, Shroud Runners, Fuegan
B: Striking Scorpions
C: Shadowseer, Shinning Spears
D:
Also, did I miss the Visarch? I can't see him on there.
I missed the visarch!! Was thinking he was DE for some bat shit crazy reason 😑
Great video!
Thanks dude!! I appreciate it!
What the heck is a 'wayleaper?' I can't find any info on it.
It’s an Autarch with wings or a warp jump generator. The one that’s a long operative
...maybe a controversial opinion but, last time I remember Banshees being anything above lousy was 3rd edition. They're a fast melee unit, that crumples like tin foil if their preferred targets hit back, or if the Banshees actually wipe the unit off the board, they WILL themselves get wiped from the opponents return fire. They die way too easy, and are ineffective against their intended targets for their point cost.
In 4th they were pretty good but ya I agree they were top of the line in 3rd edition
In 9th they were really strong too but you rarely took more than one small unit of 5
I would have appreciated bigger pictures, and at least, A picture of the unit being discussed at the top of the info panel. I haven't memorized all the units, and the pictures are too small on the left to figure out after the fact which one was talked about, so I have to keep on querying google for each unit. Eventually, I just gave up.
I’m sorry man I knew the formatting was off I’m going to redo the list soon and I’ll make sure the images are much bigger this time around
Don't have Fire Dragons yet but so far I've been quite fond of five Reapers and Maugan Ra in a Falcon.
They can be effective! I would try the death jester in a Falcon instead of Maugan ra but he works too!
Maugan Ra is VERY effective.
6 very good shoots, making your reapers (including the 2D6 shoots from the tempest launcher) always hit on 2+ and... if someone charge you and has survived the overwatch (or if you want to finish a very close unit (aka infiltrator squad with the phobos librarian giving them the shrouding) by charging them) he is good in melee too. Always make him attack in last because his face of death is fantastic too.
I love him.
@@DreyfDreyf He’s definitely cool! I just wish he did something that another unit of Dark Reapers couldn’t achieve (sadly he’s just more anti infantry damage in an anti infantry unit).
@@ProxyHammer1 With the strenght 7 of the Maugetar I think (in fact, I know, because I've done it several times) that he can finish a damaged vehicule. 6 shoots, wounding on 5+ is not so bad and you can reroll all with face of death. You will have one or two 6 (=> devastating wound) plus one or two normal wounds. Clearly not the best use for dark reapers, but if you need it, it works.
And, Frankly, I like the melee capacity. You want to charge? Are you sure? Ok, come and get some! ;-)
@@DreyfDreyf He does have a decent melee weapon!
Cobra is pretty good man. I'd probably put it in mid A.
I like it for sure!
Question about the 'halves damage' if you get hit by a damage 3 weapon does it round up or down? Also thank you for simplyfing some abilities, some of those are just uggh, why do oyu need a paragraph to describe 'free overwatch on this unit'
Halves damage round up unfortunately 🫤 so 3 damage would go to 2 damage. Still good though! And no problem always looking to simplify things!
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What is one non op way of fixing Shining Spears..?? Letting a sky runner autarch join them and making spears + 2 strength on charge, exarch + 3...??
I would say just make them cheaper or give them the ability to move through ruins like infantry
Agree with a lot of these. I don't think rangers, Shroud runners and the Falcon belong in the same tier as the Wraithknight, Fire prism and Warp spiders.
Rangers are amazing lol? 55 pts for a unit with out of phase movement, stealth, and infiltrate
@@timfiala383 They are good. But they are just not busted auto-takes like the rest of S tier. Put them in A.
Wraith knight, prism, and warp spiders I would consider “problematic” and probably in need of nerfing. I should have put a “OP” tier in there as well haha 😂
You are correct. Rangers and Shroud Runners are A and the Falcon is B. Rangers are the top of A tier.
Do you think in my small games of 500pts that my wraithgaurd with spiritseer is too many points apend as he also has a enhancement on him as well
Nah I don’t think so! You can definitely run a unit in 500 and still have points for Rangers and objective scorers as well!
@@ProxyHammer1 thank you and I just wanna say love your content and you've been a massive help as I've just been getting into aeldari ❤️
@@joybomb6915 My pleasure! Happy to help!
I have mixed feelings about this. My army has revolved around spiders and spears since I started Eldar in 4th, adding spectres when they were released. My army's barely changed over the years, just for points really. Now Spiders, my favourite aspect, are dominant in the meta. I like my favourites getting a boost, but I hate looking like a meta chaser (even though almost all of my 45 spiders are metal).
It is nice to finally win a few games, though.
I feel you man and trust me if you are running Spears no one should cause you of meta chasing! You are just running what you love regardless of the rules and I respect that 😎
Haha, I feel like they balance my 30 spiders in my 3k list! I always write my list around what I love.
Your videos have been so great for helping me work out HOW to play my units and get the most out of them. I've been having much more fun in 9th and now 10th because of it!
@@glacierrr4743 always go for what you love and nothing less! Dude that’s awesome to hear! I’ll keep the content coming man!
@ProxyHammer1 thanks man! I have a shadow Hunter waiting to be painted, so I'll let you know how it does IRL when I use it!
@@glacierrr4743 Nice dude definitely let me know!!
With the current pts vypers with AML or BLs?
Bright Lance imo, but if your list already has enough anti large and you use the Vyper primarily for ignores cover then the A M L is the better pick
@@ProxyHammer1 thanks!
@@javilo2797 my pleasure!
S Tier so crowded, you need a S+ Tier ;)
Ikr? Some of the units I put in there were due to the fact that they are super good just outshined by the really busted units atm like the Wraithknight
No, several of those units are merely A tier like Shroud Runners.
This needs an update 😀
Yes it does indeed!
People undervalue the strength of move shoot move abilities like what Baharoth has. Played wih finesse it's crazy strong at scoring and denying points or just for staying safe.
It’s a great ability just not one that I think is that great on hawks when compared to either shadow Spectres who get it base or scourges in Ynnari armies. Still good though! I’ve used Baharroth in one game this edition in 1k and he and his unit performed well!
@@ProxyHammer1 shadowspectres deep strike once, hawks can do it 5 times if you go second. That has the potential to land near multiple objectives, shoot units off, and then walk onto them without CP use if they weren't perfectly screened. Also 10 hawks hitting on a 2+ with bladestorm becomes a wicked proposition into a lot of targets.
@@coldsteel.and.courage Good point! Skyleap plus 6” inch move could be dangerous!
I don't think the wraithknight is op. Winning list all have shadow spectres. I've been playing with a wraithknight and two fire prisms and it really doesn't feel op. I have a skathach in the list now as well. Sure when you could spend all of your fate 6s at once it was insane for a turn but not anymore. I don't run shadow spectres or warp spiders and I'm not wiping my opponent or scoring secondaries well.
How many units spectre you play?
I mean those double Wraithcannon hit like a truck but I feel you it is a huge Fate sink!
I just removed the WK from my basic list because it will be nerfed again in september and because for the cost I may take some other juicy units like the Yncarne, so best imo to learn to play without it right now. But currently it still has a devastating output so if I was asked by a mate to replace somebody for a team tournament happening soon I would definitely take him
@@ProxyHammer1 they can yeah, but an invulnerable and a feel no pain can deal with it no problem. A ghost ark or two can deal with a wraithknight and fire prism. Maybe I'm shooting the wrong targets but it never kills it's points worth when I use it before it dies. Towering doesn't help. If the terrain is all los blocking it could easily hide with CP, but if tournaments are doing that it's their own fault wraithknights are op not the wraithknights fault. The point of towering is so big stuff can't hide. Ruins are supposed to have windows. Only the ground floor should be los blocking.
@@templarwargaming3202 none because they're barely available in the US. I've got some proxies on the way but they're taking forever. I can tell you from experience having a wraithknight won't win games. If you check goonhammer 40k stats for Aeldari all top list are running either wraith guard, spectres, and or warp spiders, Fire prisms, maybe night spinners. Those are the game winning units IMO. If they nerf the wraithknight again it probably won't be in tournament list anymore, and it probably won't change our win rate.
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I forgot again 😑lol 😆 I could have sworn that was the way 😅
You're way to generous with the placings.
Agree
Am I though? I think with a few I was a bit biased because I have a soft spot for them but considering we have a lot of really great units I dont think I was too far off
No visarch ;(
I know I missed him by mistake 😢
He’s probably in C tier honestly
Way too small images
Ya I need to find a way to make them bigger, there were just so many units!
Wraithknights are absolute beasts I feel so dirty playing them. Wiped nearly half my opponents list with triple WK going first. Dude had no counterplay after. Shadowspectres also are just insane value
Ya I’ve had to lay low on the wraithknight so that I could actually play and interact with my opponents…
Yeah you only bring 3 WKs if you just want to be a jerk
@@Trinine9 He asked me to go all out told him it was a bad idea but he insisted.
Going all out does not mean spam one of the best units in the game it means play the best you can without pulling punches it takes little to no skill to just slap 3 WKs on the table and it just ruins the game for the other guy cuz you know what is going to happen even if you go second
@@Trinine9 Completely wrong, going all out is not pulling your punches in any way. My buddy wanted the absolute best most toxic eldar list I gave it to him and he was happy.