Helicopter never confirmed view of American Airlines jet: Ex-NTSB official | Morning in America
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- D.C. Fire and Emergency Medical Services confirmed Friday morning that 41 bodies have been recovered from the crash site, including all three soldiers who were on the Army Black Hawk helicopter. Travel expert Peter Greenberg says the National Transportation Safety Board should take the time to get answers on how the crash occurred. Greg Feith, former senior investigator at NTSB, details information that could come from the recovered black boxes and analyzes a voice recording from air traffic control.
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13 years with 3rd MAW, both peacetime and deployed. This 'training' excuse is an insult to anyone who's served. VFR conditions, clear skies, and a Black Hawk acting like it's on a joyride? Where's the accountability? This story? BS. Training flights don't happen like this. Period. The location, the lack of supervision, the radio silence - it all screams cover-up. VFR conditions, clear as day. The Army needs to explain itself.
Well they won’t .. and you know it
Well as for the radio silence the helicopter had already been cleared for landing
I'm gonna guess, they fly this way to evacuate the government and pentagon officials. They fly at the same altitude and in between the passenger planes to use them as human shields against Russian or Chinese missiles. Or perhaps Denmark if we try to take Greenland.
ATC didn’t provide direction, position, altitude of the AA plane. Helicopter was looking at the wrong plane. The AS flight came from above the chopper. How can they see it? Total incompetence of ATC, and error of maintaining 200 ft altitude by chopper pilot. No coverup
Agreed!!!! Would be interesting to consider if this may have been a HACKING of Helicopter using uninterruptible autopilot!
Very sad RIP innocent lives
you all didn't listen to the actual recordings,
Yeah, the media has been garbage regarding this incident. Sensationalist as always, untrustworthy as ever.
I did. This station lies.
How so?
@thereishope3867 the tower reached out multiple times to confirm the PAT25 (Helicopter) had visual seperation from the airliner. He confirmed and asked for visual seperation (which now means he is not flying the coordinates the Tower gave to pass the jet but flying by his own visual seperation to avoid just like you would in a car) the tower confirmed and told him to pass behind the liner which PAT25 confirmed as well.
Once a pilot takes visual seperation they are now confirming responsibility for avoiding the other aircraft off visual in the sky
That's all you took away from this? They're also no longer working at NTSB and don't want to say anything that can cause problems for investigators. If they give their theories, without examining evidence, and it not be correct... I'm sure that you can connect those dots.
Condolences to all families affected by this incident. No words can express such devastation that all these families must be feeling? Everyone has family and friends who travel. We can only pray that in time the pain of losing one's loved one subsides. The initial live video clearly showed the impact from the helicopter into the plane. Investigators will find out the exact reason. Appreciation for all the hard work of all the emergency crews, department leaders and all involved to try and find as many loved ones as possible that are in that frigid water. Keep searching to find them all.
If they continue to fly them next to the busiest airports, human error will eventually occur.
why was it even done in the first place, let alone a training flight? such bs this is a psyop to the nth degree
@ our policy makers in their infinite wisdom have deemed the risk worth it
How many flights have gone through successfully since they began operating this way. It's worth looking into.
helicopter voice recorder, if on, is the key. audio will most likely never be released.
It has to be on, it's law !
@mollymouse4900 If it was intentional, the pilot in command would have turned it off. Although it being a training mission, it most definitely would have been turned on.
How on earth and on what evidence did you go down the route of " if it was intentional" ? This scenario is so far away from what anybody is surmising from this tragedy! Why do people like you on these posts make it up as you go along ? NOBODY, ANYWHERE, suspect the nonesense you are coming out with !
@@mollymouse4900 It's the first thing people were suspecting.
@garettanderson6772 Yes, the usual fools in these comment sections who voiced their outlandish opinions well before any real evidence has been heard. The planes recorders evidence hasn't been released yet, so we don't know. If it were to turn out that evidence ends up pointing in that direction, all well and good but I can't stand fools who decide what happened well before anyone has had the chance to investigate the thing.
Helicopter confirmed view but for another jetplane flying away from the helicopter.
It’s too late to figure what is to blame.My theory is the helicopter was focused on the wrong plane.
I’m guessing from the video, wrong altitude.
The Blackhawk pilot was told exactly where the CRJ was by ATC and the Blackhawk crew acknowledged it.
DCA Tower: PAT25, traffic just south of the Woodrow Bridge, a CRJ, it's 1200 feet setting up for runway 33. (approximately 1 min to incident)
Right!!!!! I thought I was tripping in like they told him where it was at
I think the helicopter pilot had visual of the plane that was taking off, but not the plane that was landing. The air traffic controller never mentioned there were two planes.
I was thinking the same
Agree.. agree…
And now I have to pee…
everybody wants to talk all around other conclusions...... as other video angles conclude that it may have been intentional... those chopper pilots need to be investigated
Completely wrong. ATC gave a traffic call that there was an inbound CRJ “south of the bridge at 1200 on approach for RWY 33”
That’s an initial traffic call. It’s clearly there. PAT confirmed traffic in sight and requested visual
ATC went back to him as he got closer to verify and he again said traffic in sight
Exactly
My first thought was wtf do you mean..."do you see the plane"
HUGE RISK assuming both parties are talking about the same plane. ESPECIALLY at a busy airport!
I fear the helo pilot(s) will be held to blame for breaking altitude restrictions. They were restricted to 200 or below and the accident appears to have been at around 400 feet. But I this is more likely a systemic failure. VFR helo traffic should never have been routed so near the final approach of an active runway. If the helo had been at 200 feet, the jet would have passed overhead with a vertical separation of 200 feet. It's still way way too close.
Additionally, the VFR helo corridor routed traffic 200 feet above the river at night. With very few visual clues, its very hard to actually see the river's surface. I think its natural of a pilot at such a low altitude to fly at the high end of whats allowed to avoid accidentally impacting the river at night. All of these considerations add up to a systemic failure.
I recall during my PPL training when an aircraft is on finial approach you don't takeoff until thar aircraft made touch down and cleared the runway
It is the pilot of the helicopters fault. There is no other explanation. The pilot clearly didnt know what he was doing.
Ceilings and floors, full stop. The helo made a mistake.
@@ocljacktha heck do ya mean??
@@lakeguy65616 always blame dead pilots
What does an aircraft taking off at night look like vs one that’s landing? Seems like there’s be notable differences. The correct answer to “Do you see the CRJ” would be “We see a plane rising. You said it’s landing. Do we see the wrong plane?”
That not how they talk in aviation. It's not the same as a phone call. 🙄
Misleading. Helo pilot confirmed and requested visual separation. Do better NN.
No One is talking about that we have no FAA director.
Do you know why? Because it does not matter. Do you actually believe the presence of a FAA director is a factor in this accident?
What the hell that had to do with this?
There was no reason for him to leave. He worked with the budget that was given to him. Severely underfunded due to GOP grandstanding with the BBB bill. Remember how Bernie started at $6T? Neolibs wanted just over $4T, to meet the GOP halfway. But the anti-American GOP, full of MAGAnuts, forced it down to $2T. The FAA budget was severely slashed. Yet about half of ATC retired or quit during the pandemic, which they couldn't afford to fill.
The ATC shortage was all tRump's plan, now see how he benefits? Especially without a FAA director right now? Makes it very convenient with covering their tracks.
What a bunch on nonsense. Do you know why you lost the election and now have to suffer with your derangement syndrome for 4 years? Look in the mirror.
There was a shortage before Trump took over
I mean if NewsNation watch the recordings, PAT25 acknowledged the AA3130 but not the CRJ7.
G'day from Queensland Australia 🦘🌏🇦🇺
NO aircraft should be in the immediate area of a flight path. PERIOD!!!!
I thought air traffic controllers gave the air traffic co ordinates of traffic in the air, not just say watch for it out there....
That would never work. The pilot has to have the discretion to make maneuvers that keep the plane safe.
they do. They say things like: "traffic at 10 o'clock 2 miles."
Same here. Sadly, we're learning that isn't the case. Now I'm wondering if _all_ helicopters get to use "visual separation" or just the military?
I agree it sounds stupid to say you can keep an eye on the plane. Unless I fully don’t understand how it works I was surprised they are given permission to just watch a plane by eye their self instead of air traffic control keeping an eye on the plane.
Understaffed also means undertrained. Still, no reason that not one of 3 soldiers didn't see the plane which was right in front of their faces, even from a distance, although the plane was lower. The BH followed the plane, as it turned away from the BH, then plowed into it. Also, why was the pilot instructor talking to the ATC, and not the pilot controlling the helio? Nothing makes sense when it comes to those two soldiers, and why none of the 3 saw the plane. And that's giving the female pilot the benefit of the doubt that what we saw wasn't intentional.
Let's question further back than this. It has been reported that the Helo had a Three man crew. Why??? Normal operational procedures are a Four man crew. This consists of Two Pilots and Two Crew Chiefs two watch each sides of the Helo. Was it needed??? it obviously seems so, especially in this flight zone... Very difficult for one crew chief two watch both sides at night with high traffic.
Timeline of the recent events.
1) Jan 20th Trump fires the FAA dictator
2) Jan 21st : Trump Freeze all Air Traffic Controller Hiring.
3) Trump disband the Aviation Advisory committee.
4) Trump sends a buyout letter / a ransom letter to FAA employees.
5) Jan 29th : First American midair collision in 16 years 😢
Why you lying?
@ you can do your own research sir./ maam. Sorry cant really tell the difference from you’re profile picture 😆
@@TW074-SL I have, it is why I know those are lies. Hiring was never frozen is just one example of those lies.
The fact you dont know who Thulsa Doom is, tells us a lot about you.
@@WillMuny keep believing the cult. You are in a cult
It was simple complacency on the part of the helicopter crew
It's not real. Wake up.
No, ATC!
They saw the wrong plane, mere and simple. Of course that some policies could and should change. But how many people have crashed since they started? Look at the ratios.
Are you serious? The blackhawk asked for permission to do visible seperation and was approved. He 100% confirmed view of a CRJ, whether it was the wrong one or not is the question.
The current is stronger than usual too with all of the snowmelt from the region in the last several days. This is so tragic.
Whatever the black boxes show it won't fix what happened. Jets landing at 155 mph and a helicopter flying through landing strips with pilots wearing night vision goggles not a good mix
Where there two or three pilots on the chopper and who was the third?
There was 2 pilots and an observer .
@@shari9721 Regardless, why have all the crew been identified except that one person?
They comfirmed the wrong plane
I agree.
How do you know that ?
@@mollymouse4900you can listen to the comms, the helo confirms visual of the crj, I think it was just the wrong one because there was like five airliners lined up on final approach
@@mollymouse4900 Common sense. There were three planes in the area. The ATC is at fault.
@@rbtgoodson Try again. When ATC asked the helo pilot “do you have the traffic?”, the pilot answered “yes”. ATC then gave instructions to pass behind the CRJ aircraft. That’s it. When you as a pilot respond that you have the traffic, ATC assumes that you do. If you do not have the traffic, or are unsure, the correct response is “looking”. If the helo had responded “looking”, ATC would have known that he did not have the traffic and would have issued him immediate evasive instructions. In my flying experience (limited to general aviation), that is how it works.
Sad to hear about all those people 😢 that how fast your life can go. You can one minute be here then the next minute your gone ☁️ with god.
It's very easy to think a plane that is right over you is 25 mi away, and vice versa.
Can we see an image and name of the pilot?
Why do you want to see a picture of a pilot after a crash? That's gross stuff dude!
@dentatusdentatus1592 Whoosh,over they head.
Smh. Yeah between the helicopter pilot and tower control. Fault is irrelevant at this point. Two people caused the deaths of many.
It is very relevant. Figuring out went wrong is how future tragedies are avoided.
@@micclay And ATC is FULLY innocent here. They did EVERYTHING right. Even twice, on one detail. That dude ignores the facts.
I didn't think I heard them say they saw it.
JUST THINK WHAT HAPPEN COUPLE WEEKS AGO WITH MARINES KILLING THEMSELF NEVADA AND NEW ORLEANS MY VIEW THIS WAS A TARGET . 👍 THIS DAYS ARE CRAZY 😊
"It was quick but the helo did say "IN SIGHT. REQUEST VISUAL SEPARATION" which was granted by the controller. Meaning: "I see him. I'll take responsibility for keeping away from him.".
@GiovanniDEANDA-u5f I believe it was intentional. Even possibly domestic terrorism. But first, release the full flight manifest list. Let's see who was inside the plane.
Did you catch how defensive tRump became yesterday towards the reporter who asked him when they'll release the passenger list? Holy cow! There was definitely someone of high importance on that plane who he considers his enemy. At least that's what I'm wondering about. 🤔
If you didn't hear the UHF recording Nick references (where the helicopter pilot replies with "In sight; request visual separation") you may have been listening to only the VHF tape that had the Airliners' communication to the tower. The tower broadcasts on both VHF and UHF simultaneously and can hear both. The military helicopter receives and broadcasts on UHF and the commercial traffic receives and broadcasts on VHF, so all the traffic can hear and be heard by the tower, but the military helicopter and the commercial jets can't hear one another.
@@GiovanniDEANDA-u5f Grow up. All caps troll.
It looks like the President, along with "internet trolls", already has the answers and knows who is to be blamed, despite the ongoing investigation.
How long does it take to listen to black box recordings?
A very very very very very very very very very long time.. approximately
2 - 3 years is what I’m hearing … 📦 👂
Can somebody tell me why the hell the army is conducting Night vision goggle training in a busy airspace?
A new airport needs to be built outside of the DC area.
WRONG!!!!!!
The chopper reported traffic in sight.
Listen to the tape.
BTW…I was a military and civilian air traffic controller for 42 years!!!!!
Absolute inside job,Cover up.
They didn't watch the actual recordings XD
You -- “Barney’s Daddy” were a military & civilian ARC for 42 years?!?! Yeah… sure..
& I’m the “wizard of Oz”.
Funny how all of these aviation experts are popping up out of the woodwork. Having flown over 8000 hours in the Blackhawk and having flown in this same busy airspace, I can tell you that the air traffic controller did not give a clock position and altitude for the American Eagle flight, so the UH 60 crew may have been looking at a different aircraft and did not see the aircraft it ultimately collided with. Same goes for the American Eagle flight. Now quit being armchair aviation experts, and wait for the results of the investigation. I’ve participated in a few crash investigation boards. These people are true professionals, so let them do their job.
@ yeah?? You mean
“True Professionals” that take 2-3 years to conduct & release an accident report Doncha ?!?!!
having worked in ATC in a high density, international location for a number of years, we had a similar operation for military helicopters crossing active centrelines. The procedures required the arriving aircraft and the helicopter to be the same frequency, mutual traffic info was required and everyone was aware of the crossing heli. A positive instruction for the heli to cross behind the "landing traffic at 2 miles was then issued". This procedure was used in VFR both day and night. It was a safe operation if all the boxes were ticked. In the US collision, were both aircraft on the same frequency?? If not the CRJ was probably not aware of how close the heli was otherwise he would have queried with the tower, taken avoiding action or gone round. The heli possibly misidentified the traffic he was to give way to as well. Also, was there any TCAS info available which would have also assisted? Many questions need to be answered. RIP to all concerned.
We have learned a lot, but learned very little ??????
It is one of the most advanced fighting machines, and it doesn't have an alert and avoidance system?
Not that close to the ground.
@@Bill_Woo Absolutely. Also new video shows the helicopter flying directly at the plane as if it were intentional.
click bait title. helicopter did confirm the view, but it is unsure if they were looking at the right aircraft.
it appeared to be a collision, @ about 500 ft....., flaps down.... wheels down....... Im praying it wasn't intentional........ as we unfortunately live in these perilous times where mental Health & Wellness importance cant be underestimated.
ATC should have called off the copter. No positive I.D. of seeing the RJ in question.
Internet trolls think they have instant answers based on factoids?? Try the President of the United Sates! 😂
The comments on here are shocking & downright appalling…
Many persons perished .. families are grieving & permanently affected…
I’m hereby ordering all people on here to cease any further discussion on this terrible tragedy until the NTSB report is released to the public…
Ok..???
NEWSNATION IS NOT UNBIASED
Republicans firing air traffic controllers again is going to cause a lot more crashes. I'm never flying again in this country, but I might sail OUT.
🙋
Is there no Radar traffic warning system?
No
Clear as day. Helicopter was to high. The ATC didnt give the Oclock position of the plane landing. 2 planes was in sight of helicopter. ATC should have gave the Oclock position of both planes Not 1.,. Its clear as day thats what happened
Then there is this tidbit...Kaloyev held Peter Nielsen (16 August 1967 - 24 February 2004), the sole air traffic controller in Switzerland who was handling traffic the night of the collision, responsible. In 2004, Kaloyev travelled to the Swiss town of Kloten, where he killed Nielsen, who had since retired from his air traffic control job at Skyguide.
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is that honestly the best footage they got?? like 10 miles away
Sorry but didn,t helo say " insight request visual seperation " and was also told the plane was landing 33
NOT ON GLIDESLOPE!!!! Get the facts!
No sacrifice is too big to insure the safe evacuation of our government and pentagon officials if the Russians or Chinese invade the capitol.
There seems to be a very serious problem with this. Since the explosion occurred in the air, it is possible that it hit the fuselage or one of the wings directly. It is clearly seen in the images. The real issue that needs to be investigated is why did the military pilot fly directly towards the plane. I hope that the authorities can fully explain the truth without being under any pressure. I don't think so though.. because there is a structure that has been deceiving its people with lies for 80 years.
Yes he did. Unless he was looking at a different plane. Controller asked, he said yes.
You talk like this. Do you have the aircraft at 1o'clock 2o'clock etc. You do say do you see the aircraft. When other aircraft are in the air you do not use nonspecific language. The runway switch, altitude and inattention by atc are all factors.
Lady, f your fast answers. How about getting correct answers instead? That goes for every story.
We don’t want to hear your opinion either.
Black box recovered, communications with the tower, and helicopter and planes. It doesn’t require 30 days
these commercial planes have a fixed path
Why did the ATC not give distance and direction to the aircraft... 2 inbound and 1 outbound aircraft... and it was basically do you have an aircraft in sight.
ATC did give all, distance, altitude, intentions and extact runway they going to land.
After that ATC asked confirmation of visual contact and get clear confirmation from Blackhawk. Look for full ATC transcription video.
Note, that were before than ATC re-asked again, does BH sees CRJ 20 seconds before collision.
it literally did confirm view... of the wrong plane.
Did UAP override the systems?
How did they not see the plane they were flying straight at it for atleast a minute it’s on radar? Stop lying
Deceptive headline. Many listened to the ATC recordings and the BH confirmed TWICE visual separation. The ATC literally told him that he was getting CLOSE when the ATC first asked if he had visual separation. But the BH pilot instructor didn't respond. When he did respond, he confirmed. Then the ATC asked again, which was again confirmed. The next plane over was more than two miles away, which was departing.
The ATC could have been more specific about the plane.. Still, there were six eyes inside the BH. And the other 4 couldn't see what was obviously in front of them, despite how bright the plane was? They were literally facing each other, and you have a much better all-around view inside of a helio.
So has the name of the female soldier released yet who was in control of the BH? Seems fishy with how long the feds have withheld. Kinda weird how the plane veered left to avoid the BH, then the BH veered into their direction, plowing into the plane so hard, it ripped in half upon explosion.
Headline is a lie, Hilo Pilot did state to ATC that he had visual of the plane and wanted control ATC obliged, THE HILO STATED HE SAW THE PLANE
Flight data recorded tells nothing. Investigation is mumbo-jumbo.
Tthe Blackhawk pilot said "we did", but he didn't.Pilot error. Case closed.
Its shouldnt take that long. No need to recover evidence when u have video
And what happens when the big unidentified drone flights continue?
I live near an airport that has lots of helicopters flying to and from oil rigs, when fixed wing aircraft are on final approach or are taking off the helicopters approaching the airport are held back until the fixed wing aircraft have landed or are on their departure route.
2 things broke here. The chopper pilot picked up the wrong plane and flew 200’ too high. Human error.
Fix the shared airspace problem FAA!!
Wooooooow so you and the investigators know nothing????? Any amateur pilot can listen to the ATC channels and hear him confirm "Visual Separation" ..... the tower even confirmed 2-3 times as they were watching it fly right at them.
So, HE'S CLAIMING WHAT WAS RECORDED AND BROADCAST, "CONFIRMED SIGHT" HE'S A MO RON
It seems to be an act of desperation
ATC should have had eyes on 2 crafts so near to each other, there was time to warn copter, if they had been watching, ATC one person, was juggling 2 person job. That is FACT. Also, copter could have been held, until plane landed, no need to be crossing paths at that altitude.
Yeah -
“should a,
Would a,
Could a,”….
Anymore brilliant comments ???
Next..!!!!
How can a copter not see a plane coming. Had to be on drugs. You should be aware of your surroundings at all times.
Many victims in this tragedy. In the end the latest victim will be the Truth. The minute this turned political was when media decided what they want us to hear.
'In the end the latest victim will be the Truth' - 💯%
is news nation shilling now?
Cleared for visual means visual with naked eyes, not wearing the night vision goggle.
So who fkucd up?
Trump as usual.
@ 🥴 ur delusional
Helicopter
both the DCA TWR and PAT25. it's a grave error. move on people.
NTSB is not known for speed. It will over a year for the full report. The prelim report needs to come much sooner.
A preliminary report will take a month. It took 3 years for the final report into my Dad’s death. And the FAA/NTSB misspelled his name throughout the report.
Expect that level of incompetence sadly.
Robin Lee Wascher @ LAX 1991 She led to the death of 34, never was charged!
Because it was a drone. No human in the cockpit 🤔
This was no accident
@@Thisisrance And you know that how ?
@ long or short answer? 😂
The helicopter just flies straight into it. How much is a plane lighted on the sides? Besides blinking wing lights? I only know what I have seen looking out a plane window.
Stop the conspiracy, it's a grave error. I suggest watching captain steeeve and aitelly take on this incident to get more insight. Getting info on mainstream media alone is limited.
Thoughts with the families and friends of the deceased. Tragic their lives ended when it sounded avoidable
Trust but verify.
This is going to be the next 4 years. A total plane wreck
PLANES SHOULD NOT TAKE OFF UNLESS THE TOWER IS FULLY STAFFED
they were landing
Are you an expert ? It was landing, not taking off !
@mollymouse4900 EITHER WAY
What if I told you there’s more planes taking off and landing at airports without control towers then those with control towers all over the country 😱😱😱😱😱 yet the accident rate remains very low and rare.
Speculation, of course, but I wonder if any of the aircraft had any inkling that something bad was going, or about to go, down. Did any of the other planes report that they saw it happen? Were any people/properties on the ground affected?
This is a terrible tragedy for sure, but hopefully all victims were unaware of the situation and passed immediately. What hell it would be to have time to worry about the situation and suffer in the aftermath.
God bless the victims, flight crews (civilians and military), the first responders and others who showed up to help, the air traffic controllers, airport personnel, rescue/recovery people, airport personnel, inspectors/investigators...
Where’d all that dei talk go?
Yes it did
Sad for all of them ,and if mistakes were made...not On purpose.they have to live with it as well.no winners here ..💜to you all.💜uk
The chopper was off it's track and double the altitude. It was not an accident
0:02, she is very attractive, what's her name?
Blind Pilots Association like this 😂
Oh yes I did
what if they were hunting... and that was when the accident happened. maybe they (the controllers) did not ask about the plane, but rather, about something which isn't further explained, we are not allowed to know I reckon... seems legit. it is at least very possible. Imagine he would be asked, "if he sees it", and he confirms, or he doesn't, but something is in the way but has to be eliminated, hence the helicopter approaching further than he was usually allowed. Maybe also it was on order but now the public just is not eligible to hear what really happened, so the controllers are used for a make-believe.
just my five cents.
Ex-NTSB shouldnt be speaking about a current situation, this is just bs it was intentional