This is my age-bracket. We disappear. This is giving a section of the eurovision audience usually ignored and not taken seriously, a voice, not just that but it's also reclaiming a negative word and connotation. This has a nice 80s throw back. But what I love most about this is that she doesn't step back - women hit 50 and while we disappear from popular culture and have trouble even getting served in shops or taken seriously at our job, we lose relevance, but we also don't take a step back, we don't care what people think. The clip for this is even better. I love the dancers - she didn't go for pretty young things to give a focal point, they are fun and age appropriate. This isn't my fav song of the year, but I love and appreciate it being there. We have every right to reclaim our place in the world and we have every right to reclaim and own slurs. If this was about racism or some other ism - then people wouldn't be so vocal, they wouldn't dare but this "controversy" proves my point because its about older women, we don't matter enough for us to have feeling obviously (sorry your "I don't agree with the sentiment comment fired me up). It's not a sentiment - its a portion of the population reclaiming their dignity and voice.
Dancers!! Spectacular! Spain uses "slut". (Zorra -vixen) Without censure. Its amazing!! When the girls dance its okay when sexualise men bad. The dancers are amazing!! And She is 56 years, and in the clip watch old ladies dancing, because they are free now!!!
I am 100% straight and I love the dance. If there are people who enjoy a song, and suddenly feel uncomfortable, or need expressions like "It's not my cup of tea" to distance themselves, it's because songs and performances like that are still very necessary. Not just for freedom, but because these people are very insecure about their own sexuality.
Thanks so much for the comment and explanation. The only thing I ask is please do not assume why people like or dislike the song, delivery, dancing, or dancers. And that is with anything, to be each is own, as they say.
Ok, I'm going to assume that you haven't completely changed your attitude and face when the boys have taken off their pants😉. Which is what has happened to all of us in Spain . Those 2 guys did the staging and told the singer: "honey, don't worry if you don't know how to dance, no one is going to notice you" Assume that you like the song more the more you listen to it, and have fun 😉. Remember: Hands on shoulders, hands on ears, hands up high (7:20) You are going to dance it. Congrats on the authenticity of your video and your reaction👍Thank you so much.@@DaneBramageROCKS
@@HistorialChannel yeah the song is catchy, and to be honest I had no idea what it was about because it's not my language. Loved how the crowd was engaged in the song as well. It's fun. Regardless of the meaning and message.
Enhorabuena a los dos por poder discutir sin acabar en insultos (se hecha de menos el sentido común) Dicho esto la canción se pega como un chicle y si ganamos bien y si no, también Otros años hemos mandado grandes cantantes y miauuuuu 😂 Si es un festival de la canción,mandemos una canción festiva y luego que cada uno la haga suya como quiera También habla de ovejas negras y ahí entramos muchos Un saludo a los dos
Cheers and Greetings. Thank you and yes, I am not here to insult anyone, seems unnecessary. I do wish the song and their performance well. Looking forward to the show. 🙏🏻
One of the main flags of Europe is liberty, diversity, equality. Eurovision was created after WW2, to unite the continent after one of the biggest blood baths in history. It was the cradle of liberalism: Liberty, Equality, Freedom. For that reason this song is vert "normal" in the context of Eurovision. This song embraces that ideology: an older woman telling the world that she is still alive and also have sexual life and vote, regardless of social rules she doesn't care (this is an awesome message). Also: all pop female dancers are half naked nowadays, why are males with half naked cloths a shock but half naked female dancers not? (that is part of the message, and I find it awesome). I'm also a rock/metal/classical guy, 40 years old dad. The song is synt pop like the 80's, not my style, and I am hetero, but I love everything on the song: because the message is very rock/punk (rock core values = revolt / liberty / uniqueness / controversy). To be honest I get why some people find the message/staging shocking, but I love shock, Elvis was also a shock when arrived and newspapers wanted to ban him. Shock is what makes us go forward as society and embrace new views instead of old ones. Note: for European guys / Eurovision the shock level of this song is very low in fact, if this socks people embrace yourselves Eurovision get hit harder lol
Yeah, never said I had a problem with the song, or the dancers. I actually praised the music and performance, just not the message. Regardless of them being male/female. But, most comments on here assumed I have a problem with male dancers being on stage, words that never came out of my mouth, but then again, that is the problem with society. People assuming or changing the narrative.
@@DaneBramageROCKS Sorry for the way I passed the message, commented the song in general and other comments here, it was not directed at you in particular, it was to the comments section in general. It is nice of you watching it and giving feedback, all opinions are valid of course. In fact the 1st time I listened to it I was like: what is this, took me time processing xD Just sharing the after-thought of the processing :) Regards PS: the comments assumed you didn't liked the dancers part because you looked away and said the dance was not your cup-of-tea xD But no problem with that, we all don't need to like the same kind of stuff, just sharing experiences. People enjoyed your you taking time to watch this fest and giving feedback, don't worry :) This particular song itself divided a lot of people in Europe too, you're not alone. To me it was funny the word-play with Zorro (hero macho that does whatever she wants) and Zorra (female bitch that does whatever she wants) but it is a personal experience and is ok :)
@@Zuap Hi there. You passed the message just fine, I didn't take anything personal. I also was stating what most people were assuming about my reaction here. But good point, I was caught off guard but this is the same reason the last MTV Music Awards were garbage. Just a bunch of singers bouncing around being all nasty and being over sexual, seems unnecessary. Other than that, the song is catchy, regardless if I understand it or not and their story of being unknown to winning a contest is awesome! Cheers dude! 🤘🏻
I understand that you are shocked with the male dancers since it us very striking. Yet, they form part of the song message and it isn't casual. Their performance is intentionally to show a role change on the stage, as people are used to only enjoy sexy female dancers..... Why not men..? It is high time to change and accept everybody just the way they are without so many social prejudices. Regards from Spain
Yeah and that was not my point. I said the same thing about the MTV Music awards, it was the sexualization being presented, it is just tasteless. Gender had nothing to do with it.
@@WandaBarquinG it was the same for me at first, I thought ....what an appealing taste!!! but when delving into the real song message I change my mind, I found more meaning about their striking performance and exagerated outfit on the stage. There is a real role change since we are too much used to see females as sexual objects. It is so normalize that very few people complaing about it. The bottom line is that every artistic expression always provoke mixed feelings and all of them are respetable. Regards from Spain
@@DaneBramageROCKS I didn't see the MTV music awards, but I wonder: what is tasteless about sex? Sex is nice, sex is gorgeous, sex is healthy, sex is natural, sex is communication, sex is fun, sex is the way we all come to this world, you too. Sex is not a sin, but a blessing. Sex can come with love, pleasure or health. Only when not wanted should it be rejected. Sex and death, Eros and Thanatos, the two old themes of all times. Sex is beauty, so it CAN'T be tasteless "per se", by itself, by its nature.
The context of the song is: you say Im a b#tch because I have fun, I go out alone till late, and If am sucessful you dont value and you say I dont deserve it so, ok, I'll keep on being a b#tch for you because Im not gonna change, Ill keep on doing what I like and makes me happy and being what I am. The lyrics and the message of empowering is important. Its a song against sexism and prejudices. You can notice also the contrast between the way she is dressing and the dancers clothes, because usually women use to wear less clothes and men use to cover their bodies with clothes, so, here is the opposite ;) and we can check the reaction is not the same generally speaking.
I actually see your point here and I appreciate the perspective and explanation. This does help clear the meaning up a bit and thanks for sharing that.
@@DaneBramageROCKS To take that person's comment a bit further, the way the dancers are dressed reinforces the message in the second verse of the song. She is completely covered from neck to toe, including gloves, in a black, relatively conservative-looking outfit (not super-tight, no sequins, etc.). The male dancers next to her strip down into what is essentially sparkly lingerie. Yet, as she says in the second verse, "they call me a wh*re/b*tch no matter what I do". So while it's the men who are stripped down and gyrating - doing their best to be the focus of the attention - SHE is the one still being called a zorra despite being completely covered and not dancing suggestively. Once I noticed that dichotomy on my second or third watch, the entire thing completely clicked for me. It's in my top 5. Soy mas zorra todavia! If they're gonna call you a b*tch no matter what you do, then baby, be the biggest b*tch of all - a picture-perfect b*tch.
Por Dios... un adulto evitando mirar a los bailarines porque enseñan el culo? No lo entiendo. Para mi son parte fundamental en esta actuación. César Louzán Ferrío , un gallego afincado en Madrid con trayectoria envidiable como bailarín y profesor de danza contemporánea. Louzán, además, coordina varias de las escuelas de baile en Madrid en las que trabaja. También es muy conocido como Gaylicia, su alter ego drag y "una tía txulísima", tal y como describe su perfil de Instagram. Tan guay, que con ella ganó la Dragalada Drag Tour Madrid. El otro bailarin se llama Iosu Martínez, es actor, bailarín, productor y director artístico.
For me, I really like the message. An older woman embracing who she is and reclaiming a negative word in a positive way is really powerful. And I think it’s a relatively unique perspective for a song. The visuals seem consistent with message she’s trying to get across. It could be reeled in a bit, but I don’t think they’re just going for shock value for no reason. Older people deserve to feel sexy too, if they want lol. Best part of Eurovision is there’s something for everyone, even if everything isn’t for you. 😃
I totally understand your „I don’t like it“. When I read the translated lyrics and did research about the meaning and the background about the ones jugded, (looks, age!!!,sexuality) and oppressed „community“ (queer and female in a catholic country!!!!) supportive and holding each other’s back to rise, it’s one of the most touching and beautiful songs that ever took part in the EsC! Thanks Spain for your balls to send and celebrate this song 🥳🥰😘😘😘
Spain is not very Catholic anymore, only in the name. Most of us never go to church or follow any religious doctrine. If you visit a church the average age will be around 60-70. Young people are quite open minded and we are one of the most gay-friendly countries in Europe according to surveys
Yo tengo una edad parecida a la de la cantante. Me pasaba lo mismo,si salias a divertirte,malo. Si no salías malo también. Tu propia familia te fiscalizaba. Tenías que ser modosita, dedicarte a la costura,y las labores det hogar. Cuando salías debias decir con quién ibas(fueran hombres o mujeres) tenías una hora de llegada,y pobre de ti que llegaras tarde. Supongo que no todas las mujeres sufrieron esta represión,pero estoy segura que la mayoría si. Esto era muy normal en un país como España,donde el franquismo y un catolocismo mal entendido,oprimia a las mujeres. Se justicaba hasta la violencia de género ,el hombre siempre tenía razón. Una vez superados muchos obstáculos,la mujer es más libre, aunque nos queda mucho todavía. Asi que,la canción de Nebulosa transforma una insulto a la mujer (zorra) en un empoderamiento de las mujeres,que ya no nos importa el que diran,que nos valemos por nosotras mismas. Asi que,no se si ganaremos en Eurovisión,y no se si entenderan la canción, sólo se que es un tema estupendo y creo que es de lo mejor que hemos llevado a Eurovisión.
2024 y todavía hay reticencias con los "bailes" ( por no decir el tanga de los hombres) si las que bailaran fueran chicas con menos ropa que los bailarines no habría problema con los "bailes") Por eso esta canción es TAN NECESARIA.
Thanks for your opinion and to me, it would not have mattered if it was male or female. The message and sexualization just doesn't jive with me. Seems unnecessary but that is just me!
@@DaneBramageROCKS estoy totalmente de acuerdo contigo, y parece que está mal decirlo?? Es necesario enseñar el culo seas hombre o seas mujer? Yo creo que no, esto es un concurso musical, o Al menos lo era. Hoy en día ya no se sabe ni lo que es. Un saludo.
@@merchita_mmm Yes, and I understand the message she is delivering, but look at all the other submissions who do not need this to deliver their message!
The performance is based on the lyrics. At first I also wanted females to dance, but due to complaints and the sexualization of females she decided to go with males. It was still a shock to people, so she still caused what she wanted. It was shocking for some. I guess I understand the performance better now. I would of liked females in prefession outfits and than take of their cloths to represent what people think of female empowerment, but his was still good.
Mientras seamos nosotras las que enseñamos el trasero no hay problema y nadie se asusta. Que problema hay en que los hombres enseñan el trasero? 🤷 igualdad señores.
Your reaction to the male dancers is exactly what this song is ultimately about. You saw two male dancers showing a lot of skin and that made you uncomfortable but almost every woman, in Eurovision alone, is put in clothing that looks exactly like that and no one bats an eye. The song is about sexism, so the dancers clothing and movements go 100% in line with the song
I actually like the message and the analysis seemed a bit superficial (not necessarily yours but the infos you found). A community reclaiming a word that was used as an insult to take its power away isn't anything new, it has been done for a very long time by several minorities or communities with less social power. Also, with the whole lyrics the picture of "whatever I do, I will be called a zorra" is very clear, as well as the sexism surrounding those insults in the professional world. She says that even if she's successful it' never because she deserves it but because she's a zorra. Often when a woman gets a promotion the questions is "who did she sleep with" while nobody really asks that regarding a man. The reaction that the dancers get actually gets the point of the song as well, as when female dancers are half naked or with their butts out nobody will really flinch. Especially in the showbussiness world. Mine its not a complete analysis either but I hope that it gives other points of view 😊
In these situations, a lot of guys are anxious to let everybody know they find male bodies repulsive, i. e., are not gay. I think the dude's reaction to the butts might also be due to that.
I'll be honest, I don't like when the girls do it either. That was my point. I did not like the MTV Music Awards because almost every female pop star was mostly naked, humping the ground or feeling themselves up and being nasty. This is the negative aspect I don't like and why I am over the sexualization. Those are not the role models society needs.
LA MEJOR CANCII E INTERPRETE..ARtista..no hace falta ser soprano..ella a sus años ha demostrado que vale y mucho y al que le de rabia que cambie de canal jajaja ❤desde Mallorca
@@victoriacamposescobar1860 no te equivoques el Benidorm está amañao la llevan por política a la aguela,había mejores artistas que ella y mejores trabajos que una canción plagiada 🤦
Nebulossa was formed in 2018 when the romantic couple decided to form a musical group. The name of the group alludes to nebulae because on a trip to Port Ainé they went to an astronomical observatory where they were constantly mentioned. Bas, 56, and Mark Dasousa, 49, are married, they have two children, one 23 years old and the other 11, and a dog. They generate income through a hair salon. But also, for years, they have had a great passion for music, they don't have a record label or set designers, they do what they can with what they have. They showed up at the Benidorm Fest with the intention of being able to reach the final and for people to know them and know about them, they never thought about being able to get here and go to Eurovision. They bring a song that has clear intentions, it has a very direct, empowering and danceable message, they have developed the feminist message that Zorra brings. A hymn to empowerment, which refers to feminine vindication and the resignification of a word that is usually used with pejorative overtones.
Wow, what an incredible performance by Spain at Eurovision! 🇪🇸 Despite not winning, the representative, a 56-year-old woman, truly stole the show. Her powerful message about women’s empowerment and living life to the fullest resonated with everyone. Age is just a number, and she proved that with her remarkable singing. Kudos to her for shining on that stage!
My favorite aspect of the song, in the way I see it, is the act of reclaiming a word that has been used to hurt and humiliate women for years. As a gay man, I resonate with that, and I find it very powerful. I come from a very conservative and homophobic country, so I think it's amazing how many Spanish people seem to embrace such a risqué and evidently queer performance. I think there are a lot of things that can be lost in translation and cultural context. It was interesting to watch your reaction and your first impressions though. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah I was not sure about the history until the articles were read so I am gaining an understanding. Thanks for commenting on this, I was more taken back just by the sexualization alone and not so much who was delivering it. I was not even sure of the stance of the dancer themselves and did not verify their sexual preference so that made no matter to me! Could have been women and I would have said the same thing, but regardless, awesome to see a group go from almost unknown to a national stage competition. Gonna be fun to see them during the show.
Hemos llevado grandes temas y grandes voces. No ganamos nunca. Este año no queremos ganar. Para nodotros ya hemos ganado. ESTE AÑO TOCA DIVERTIRSE. Te go 60 años, mujer, hetero. Y porsupuesto ESPAÑOLA
Hombre 64 años lo triste es que todavía se necesiten canciones como está soy hetero pero me gustan los bailarines otra forma de reivindicar al colectivo l LGTB
I don't think it's so much the lack of clothing but more the distasteful, inappropriate and vulgar way they're shamelessly gyrating around each other, which would be fine if this was an adult show, but it isn't, it's broadcast during the time when children are exposed to it. I mean I've been to many pools, beaches and saunas, I don't often see people behaving like this there though.
Not really. I think my comment was taken out of context but it is what it is. I did not mind the dancers, but even when the MTV music awards was on, I thought it distasteful because it just seemed unnecessary, especially if they portray as a role model. It was the oversexualization that bothered me, but that is just the Dad in me talking. Male, Female, does not matter.
@DaneBramageROCKS don't worry about the backlash man, some people want to push their opinion and think no one else's opinion matters. If nothing else this has got you a lot of attention pmsl 😂
Its supposed It comes with a sassy performance by the two dancers , what its funny bringing laugh in a good way😄, thats exactly the message of the song not only to women but other collectives or persons who anytime have felt been rejected or despised, so expressed the same singer. Moral Message of song how turned something offensive into something positive or careless😄just be yourself no matter what others think about It. 👍
So is ok for females to be halfnaked on stage but not men?? And people want equality?? Also, we, spanish, are the most badmouthed europeans you will find, even worst than latinamericans, always so pudorous and christian, we are wayy passed all that, and we do not care, like at all.
Todas las opiniones son respetables, siempre y cuando se hagan desde el respeto, a mí me parece una canción genial, por el mensaje (si se entiende la intención) y por la sintonía pegadiza. Ojalá uno de los grandes Dj's actuales la coja como base y haga un remix para Tomorrowlamd 😄
Cuando se remueve lo establecido en un canal tan mundialmente conocido con Eurovisión es normal que provoque controversia. Respeto tu opinión. A mí Eurovisión o es algo que me interese: un concurso entre países europeos donde algunos participantes no lo son y están únicamente por política. Para mí despierta mayor interés cuando se utiliza para despertar conciencias y desterrar muchas hipocresías. Gracias Dane por tu opinión siempre respetable.
Desde un punto de vista musical y respecto a su voz puedo estar de acuerdo contigo. Pero en conjunto no porque me interesa más UTILIZAR Eurovision como canal social. Mejor que como canal político. No te parece?
Than you so much and I respect your response. I did not mean any ill will to anyone. I dig the contest in a sense where we can see what each country represents, but that is also where you have to be careful who and what is representing your country. Thank you so much for understanding! Cheers
The problem is that we Spaniards know that even if we present the best song on the planet, we are not going to win the festival there many interests in the middle, and with this song at least we Spaniards are going to have a lot of fun. 🇪🇸🇪🇸🦊🦊🇪🇸🇪🇸
Me gustaría saber tú opinión sobre los chicos, hubieras pensado igual si fueran chicas...? Hace 2 años fue Chanel, enseñando nalga, junto a sus bailarinas, nadie se quejó, no.hubo polémica, pero si dale una diva acompañada de chicos bailando, enseñando nalga... Surge la polémica. Hipocresía
Made no difference and I said nothing about the dancers themselves. I answered this already, it is the over sexualization I found distasteful, regardless who is displaying it. It's not the showing, it's the act. No hypocrisy here. Thanks for the question.
I believe the message is being a little bit misunderstood. She's saying 'if I go out alone, you'd call me a bitch, if I have fun, you'd call me a bitch...' so she's like 'if that makes me a bitch, then I am proud of it because I am happy as I am, I am doing no wrong and if a male did that things that would be no problem'.
Soy española....y es una vergüenza. La gente en la calle dice que es una vergüenza denigra más a la mujer y lo que te cuentan en los medios de comunicación es mentira. España tiene cantantes buenísimos.😢😢😢😢
This is an Eurovision song and obviously they know its audience and who this song is for (not only “the girls”). Of course we LOVE the dancers. She eat it!!!
I used to live in Spain, they curse like sailors over there. I don't see why it's a big deal as this is the typical way they talk?!?! However "Zorra" is an insult if a woman stays out too late having fun, while it's okay for men to do the same. There's also a line in there that anything she earned, she didn't deserve it. I can't tell you how many times in my life I've had people come up to me asking if my boyfriend bought my clothes, car, jewelry. I worked my tail off to go to college and be successful in my career. It's a song about owning the word so it's not a slur anymore/equal opportunity. I'm also about the same age as the singer. ;-)
La cultura española estuvo en América antes que la inglesa, los pocos indios vivos que dejaron los ingleses (vaqueros romántizados en los westerns) están en reservas malviviendo en los Estados Unidos de América que tienen nombre español ( colorado, Tejas, California...) porque huían de la muerte segura y les concedieron unas parcelillas en lugares inhóspitos perdidos para que acabarán por extinguirse solos) De las 13 colonias huían al sur los negros esclavos, para entrar en los dominios españoles y ser libres. Esa es la esencia de la cultura española. Mientras Inglaterra era genocida España construía hospitales, catedrales, Universidades se casaba y hacía mestizaje desde Argentina hasta más de la mitad de lo que ahora llamáis USA. Sin destrucción. Esa es básicamente la cultura española. Otra cosa es que te hayan contado y hasta donde quieras tú investigar de lo glorioso de España y lo rastrero de Inglaterra... es triste. Supongo que no te interesará mirar un poquito debajo de la alfombra. 😅😅
It is true, I did not have a problem with the lyrics but mostly did not understand the meaning, which is why I read the articles. I'm indifferent but wither way, the song and style of music were fun!
As a 46 year old woman, a European and a feminist, I don’t find this song and video controversial at all; I rather find them weak. By feminist terms, reclaiming gender equality through reversing the stereotypical roles is still embracing those roles. A bit like someone who was bullied empowering themselves by becoming a bully - it doesn’t work like that and this is not what feminism is for and stands for. I also dislike the vocal performance, I perceive it as weak and at times was irritated by it (off-pitch on two occasions?). Naked male butts on stage are not a shock. I find the dance choreography tried to be humorous or parodic, and the costumes were unflattering, so in combination those dancers did attract the eye but not in a good way, they were a bit ridiculous, but I think that fits the intended role-reversal message as well. They were made to feel cringey on purpose. Again, this is a message that as a feminist I disagree with. I think the human body can be sexual and shown as sexual in a respectful and tasteful way. For example, the music video of Austria is very explicit with suggestive male bodies and poses, and other than this portrayal being cliché as well, it is ag least not done to ridicule or humiliate. For a gorgeous use of the naked male body for artistic emotional expression through masterful choreography and videography, see Belgium ❤
This is a wonderful explanation. I think yo took what I was trying to say. Was not controversial in my mind, just tasteless. I watched the MTV Music Awards a few months back and felt the same way, it was just tasteless and unnecessary. Thank you for commenting, this is a great explanation to the submission, IMO.
I like the song a lot but while I mean no offense to the singer, I feel like a bit more power in the voice would've worked better. To my ears it sounds like she's not putting enough effort, at least at some parts
I wasn't as surprised anymore by the gay dancers with their crossdresser clothing. I currently do research about closeted gays in the entertainment industry and I found out that at least half of the main marvel actors are either gay or bi so these half naked dancers didn't shock me anymore. Joan Rivers even joked in the 1960s that she can't find a Hollywood boyfriend because the men are either all married or "dancers", so it is actually very fitting what we see here. It is just not hidden anymore.
That Joan Rivers is hilarious. But I could care less about their sexual affiliation, I just was not a fan of the over sexualized style. Seems unnecessarily IMO. I didn't care for it when the MTV Music Awards plastered it all over the place either.
C'mon guys, give Dane a break -- he had an honest reaction to the performance and was neither offensive nor disrespectful to any of it. Would his looking away from the sight of the male dancers be justified if he was gay? Or is it a prerequisite for all gay people to like that particular choreography and outfits? He may not get all the nuances of a (sub)culture but at least he made an effort to learn something about it and was not dismissive; both being commendable. We all should strive to peek beyond horizons that make our everyday life/tradition and exchange opinions with people outside our own tribe. The alternative to that looks much too frightening.
Thank You. I was a bit suprised, but also not about some of the backlash. Have no issues with the people themselves, just did not enjoy the delivery. Seemed unnecessary. But, oh well. I regret nothing I said! Cheers!
Here someone from Spain. Firstly, I have to say that the song is not my cup of tea, I wouldn't listen to it in my free time. However, when it comes to the meaning and what it pretends to visualize, it is quite huge. As you had read, the word "zorra" is used in a VERY despective way here towards women. If you go out alone you're a "zorra", if you dress with "less clothes" or a short skirt you're a "zorra", etc. So basically, although Spain isn't really considered a sexist country, you can still see and hear these kind of comments quite frecuently arround you. Nebulossa's intention is to change the meaning of this word to represent empowerment. When did we all agree that "zorra" means b*tch and "zorro" astute? Actually, this happens with some other words where the femenine form of the noun means something bad and the male version something good. Lastly, the dancers clothing and dancing style makes a reference to how we are so used to see women dancers with almost no clothes dancing along with the singer, while male dancers are usually covered up (at least they have pants). So in this case, they changed the roles, so she's all covered up while the two men are dancing with those "clothes". Hope this helped you understand some more stuff :)
@@paulmarquez1245 Not necessarily. I think it is more of how it is delivered for forced. Much like anyone, people don't want their decisions made for them or told how they have to live. Really though, no matter the subject there is always going to be controversy. This contest is the perfect example to that.
Wait, what...? @MSol-jz1hc, so, the reactor makes a complimentary remark about her age, which you don't agree with, so you comment against him by making a derogatory remark about his age. And then also a derogatory remark about his gender?! Wow the double standard is astounding! You were also so bold as to assume his gender?! Congratulations, you just made the most insulting and offensive remark of the entire post...
@@anciifymaking a complimentary remark about anyone, including their age, isn't patronising just because your twisted mind thinks it is. Also, if the aim of the performance is intended to shock, why are you surprised when people are shocked?!
@@stebow1977 I just put a mirror. It was not necessary to comment about her age to criticize the song. I have seen other reactions to this song and most of the ones that comment about her age, are coming from males in the same age range. I can't stand with the paternalism and this song is about this.
Song is a full party with an ironic message..never is too aging to welcome your dreams come true...I think you are older than the singer..so age is botherless.. I love the song anytime
It isn't puritism to dislike something, everyone is entitled to their opinion and if it differs from yours that doesn't make him a puritan. What does though is people who disagree with his opinion who then slate him and imply to him that he's wrong because they think they're better than him.
Why so much overthinking?? Its the best song of Eurovision 2024 even for years before, but black legend in full throttle to put all this ton of a song to a 22nd place, really Europe? yeah so I'm a rocker and heavy metal fan of all kinds but this dance pop-ish song keep people alive and forget without drinking or getting high to try to understand why who actually won Eurovision 2024
Although you don't like the dancers and I understand why you say it, in this song they make sense as the normal thing is that women have to show their body and men are well dressed. In this case, she is completely dressed and the dancers are showing their body. That fits with the idea that the song represents.
Es una canción muy profunda en realidad. Este es un mundo machista, donde también hay mujeres machistas. Abrid las mentes. Vivir y dejar vivir. Libertad!
Un messaggio può passare anche senza usare parolacce . Io la stessa cosa. Quando l'ho ascoltata m'è piaciuta subito , poi sono andata a guardarmi il testo ....tutte quelle parolacce e m'ha lasciata molto perplessa . Le parolacce non sono di mio gusto . Ripeto si può dire cose utilizzando un linguaggio garbato . Se è il messaggio che deve arrivare , arriva lo stesso e con il buon gusto .
I have not read all the comments, so this might have come up before. I dont understand how you dont understand the dancers role in the storytelling? Juxtaposition is one of the oldest tricks in the book?
I felt a bit funny and confused by your reaction to those dancers. It's a great song, musically it has some resemblance to Desireless Voyage Voyage and OMD Enola Gay. Very 80s and a kind of retro Madonna back in the days of True Blue
Idk the message is about taking power and using the word that was for an insult back under her own umbrella to give her strength. Also i couldn't think of anything more rock and roll. Obviously not the song but the attitude and what comes with rock and roll F the norms and F what anyone else thinks. I mean look at ozzy.
DaneBramage ROCKS have you seen Finlands entry for Eurovision 2006, Finland won Eurovision Song Contest that year, with Lordi and the song Hardrock Hallelujah th-cam.com/video/gAh9NRGNhUU/w-d-xo.html I don't know how it was at that time, but apparently nowadays in Eurovision all instruments on stage in any competing entry are prerecorded nothing is live except the lead vocal singing.
If the truth is, electronic music is very, very good, it has a lot of spark and is engaging, but you don't hear it much and the lyrics, well, that's what my country is, it always makes you laugh. Happy Happy 😂😂. La música electrónica es muy muy buena tiene mucha chispa y engancha pero a ella no se la oye bien siempre mi país hace ser felices a lo demás
This is my age-bracket. We disappear. This is giving a section of the eurovision audience usually ignored and not taken seriously, a voice, not just that but it's also reclaiming a negative word and connotation. This has a nice 80s throw back. But what I love most about this is that she doesn't step back - women hit 50 and while we disappear from popular culture and have trouble even getting served in shops or taken seriously at our job, we lose relevance, but we also don't take a step back, we don't care what people think. The clip for this is even better. I love the dancers - she didn't go for pretty young things to give a focal point, they are fun and age appropriate. This isn't my fav song of the year, but I love and appreciate it being there. We have every right to reclaim our place in the world and we have every right to reclaim and own slurs. If this was about racism or some other ism - then people wouldn't be so vocal, they wouldn't dare but this "controversy" proves my point because its about older women, we don't matter enough for us to have feeling obviously (sorry your "I don't agree with the sentiment comment fired me up). It's not a sentiment - its a portion of the population reclaiming their dignity and voice.
Dancers!! Spectacular! Spain uses "slut". (Zorra -vixen) Without censure. Its amazing!! When the girls dance its okay when sexualise men bad. The dancers are amazing!! And She is 56 years, and in the clip watch old ladies dancing, because they are free now!!!
I am 100% straight and I love the dance. If there are people who enjoy a song, and suddenly feel uncomfortable, or need expressions like "It's not my cup of tea" to distance themselves, it's because songs and performances like that are still very necessary. Not just for freedom, but because these people are very insecure about their own sexuality.
Thanks so much for the comment and explanation. The only thing I ask is please do not assume why people like or dislike the song, delivery, dancing, or dancers. And that is with anything, to be each is own, as they say.
Ok, I'm going to assume that you haven't completely changed your attitude and face when the boys have taken off their pants😉. Which is what has happened to all of us in Spain . Those 2 guys did the staging and told the singer: "honey, don't worry if you don't know how to dance, no one is going to notice you" Assume that you like the song more the more you listen to it, and have fun 😉. Remember: Hands on shoulders, hands on ears, hands up high (7:20) You are going to dance it. Congrats on the authenticity of your video and your reaction👍Thank you so much.@@DaneBramageROCKS
@@HistorialChannel yeah the song is catchy, and to be honest I had no idea what it was about because it's not my language. Loved how the crowd was engaged in the song as well. It's fun. Regardless of the meaning and message.
Enhorabuena a los dos por poder discutir sin acabar en insultos (se hecha de menos el sentido común)
Dicho esto la canción se pega como un chicle y si ganamos bien y si no, también
Otros años hemos mandado grandes cantantes y miauuuuu 😂
Si es un festival de la canción,mandemos una canción festiva y luego que cada uno la haga suya como quiera
También habla de ovejas negras y ahí entramos muchos
Un saludo a los dos
Cheers and Greetings. Thank you and yes, I am not here to insult anyone, seems unnecessary. I do wish the song and their performance well. Looking forward to the show. 🙏🏻
One of the main flags of Europe is liberty, diversity, equality. Eurovision was created after WW2, to unite the continent after one of the biggest blood baths in history. It was the cradle of liberalism: Liberty, Equality, Freedom. For that reason this song is vert "normal" in the context of Eurovision.
This song embraces that ideology: an older woman telling the world that she is still alive and also have sexual life and vote, regardless of social rules she doesn't care (this is an awesome message). Also: all pop female dancers are half naked nowadays, why are males with half naked cloths a shock but half naked female dancers not? (that is part of the message, and I find it awesome).
I'm also a rock/metal/classical guy, 40 years old dad. The song is synt pop like the 80's, not my style, and I am hetero, but I love everything on the song: because the message is very rock/punk (rock core values = revolt / liberty / uniqueness / controversy). To be honest I get why some people find the message/staging shocking, but I love shock, Elvis was also a shock when arrived and newspapers wanted to ban him. Shock is what makes us go forward as society and embrace new views instead of old ones. Note: for European guys / Eurovision the shock level of this song is very low in fact, if this socks people embrace yourselves Eurovision get hit harder lol
Yeah, never said I had a problem with the song, or the dancers. I actually praised the music and performance, just not the message. Regardless of them being male/female. But, most comments on here assumed I have a problem with male dancers being on stage, words that never came out of my mouth, but then again, that is the problem with society. People assuming or changing the narrative.
@@DaneBramageROCKS Sorry for the way I passed the message, commented the song in general and other comments here, it was not directed at you in particular, it was to the comments section in general. It is nice of you watching it and giving feedback, all opinions are valid of course. In fact the 1st time I listened to it I was like: what is this, took me time processing xD Just sharing the after-thought of the processing :)
Regards
PS: the comments assumed you didn't liked the dancers part because you looked away and said the dance was not your cup-of-tea xD But no problem with that, we all don't need to like the same kind of stuff, just sharing experiences. People enjoyed your you taking time to watch this fest and giving feedback, don't worry :) This particular song itself divided a lot of people in Europe too, you're not alone. To me it was funny the word-play with Zorro (hero macho that does whatever she wants) and Zorra (female bitch that does whatever she wants) but it is a personal experience and is ok :)
@@Zuap Hi there. You passed the message just fine, I didn't take anything personal. I also was stating what most people were assuming about my reaction here. But good point, I was caught off guard but this is the same reason the last MTV Music Awards were garbage. Just a bunch of singers bouncing around being all nasty and being over sexual, seems unnecessary. Other than that, the song is catchy, regardless if I understand it or not and their story of being unknown to winning a contest is awesome! Cheers dude! 🤘🏻
and before seeing guns, rifles or any type of weapons, it seems that this does not shock you, I prefer to see two men acting and making a show.
Vamos España!!!❤❤
Me encanta mi país!!!!! Siempre tan adelantado a. Su tiempo a pesar de los conservadores q prefieren alabare a mi señor!!!!!
😂😂😂 alabaré a mi Señor jajajaja
@@sadakara todos unidos, alegres cantamos…🎶🤣
También ya cantan el coran,con bulca os veo en 10 años a toas 😏
Parece una canción sacada de los 80 no tiene nada de moderna,la escenografía de España tan cutre como siempre
I understand that you are shocked with the male dancers since it us very striking. Yet, they form part of the song message and it isn't casual. Their performance is intentionally to show a role change on the stage, as people are used to only enjoy sexy female dancers.....
Why not men..?
It is high time to change and accept everybody just the way they are without so many social prejudices.
Regards from Spain
Yeah and that was not my point. I said the same thing about the MTV Music awards, it was the sexualization being presented, it is just tasteless. Gender had nothing to do with it.
I understand your point but for me the male dancers were unsightly as well.
@@WandaBarquinG it was the same for me at first, I thought ....what an appealing taste!!! but when delving into the real song message I change my mind, I found more meaning about their striking performance and exagerated outfit on the stage. There is a real role change since we are too much used to see females as sexual objects. It is so normalize that very few people complaing about it.
The bottom line is that every artistic expression always provoke mixed feelings and all of them are respetable.
Regards from Spain
@@DaneBramageROCKS
I didn't see the MTV music awards, but I wonder: what is tasteless about sex? Sex is nice, sex is gorgeous, sex is healthy, sex is natural, sex is communication, sex is fun, sex is the way we all come to this world, you too. Sex is not a sin, but a blessing. Sex can come with love, pleasure or health. Only when not wanted should it be rejected. Sex and death, Eros and Thanatos, the two old themes of all times. Sex is beauty, so it CAN'T be tasteless "per se", by itself, by its nature.
@@DaneBramageROCKS Quieres decir que te gusta la sexualización de la mujer pero si lo hacen con un hombre te pone nervioso...?
The context of the song is: you say Im a b#tch because I have fun, I go out alone till late, and If am sucessful you dont value and you say I dont deserve it so, ok, I'll keep on being a b#tch for you because Im not gonna change, Ill keep on doing what I like and makes me happy and being what I am. The lyrics and the message of empowering is important.
Its a song against sexism and prejudices. You can notice also the contrast between the way she is dressing and the dancers clothes, because usually women use to wear less clothes and men use to cover their bodies with clothes, so, here is the opposite ;) and we can check the reaction is not the same generally speaking.
I actually see your point here and I appreciate the perspective and explanation. This does help clear the meaning up a bit and thanks for sharing that.
@@DaneBramageROCKS To take that person's comment a bit further, the way the dancers are dressed reinforces the message in the second verse of the song. She is completely covered from neck to toe, including gloves, in a black, relatively conservative-looking outfit (not super-tight, no sequins, etc.). The male dancers next to her strip down into what is essentially sparkly lingerie. Yet, as she says in the second verse, "they call me a wh*re/b*tch no matter what I do". So while it's the men who are stripped down and gyrating - doing their best to be the focus of the attention - SHE is the one still being called a zorra despite being completely covered and not dancing suggestively.
Once I noticed that dichotomy on my second or third watch, the entire thing completely clicked for me. It's in my top 5.
Soy mas zorra todavia! If they're gonna call you a b*tch no matter what you do, then baby, be the biggest b*tch of all - a picture-perfect b*tch.
You have a very old -fashioned mentality😘😘
How glad I am to have been born in Europe and not in the US
Los americanos siempre tan antiguos en todo,España es muy moderna
🤣🤣🤣🤣
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Tampoco hay que enfadarse, cierto es una nación conservadora pero nos ha de dar igual, que cada uno opine lo que quiera 😉
@@auradb1140 por lo menos este americano sabe donde está España 🤣🤣
Es tan moderna que ya prentan a eurovisión abuelas y mandriles,al mal gusto llamáis modernidad y así nos vá
Por Dios... un adulto evitando mirar a los bailarines porque enseñan el culo? No lo entiendo. Para mi son parte fundamental en esta actuación. César Louzán Ferrío , un gallego afincado en Madrid con trayectoria envidiable como bailarín y profesor de danza contemporánea. Louzán, además, coordina varias de las escuelas de baile en Madrid en las que trabaja. También es muy conocido como Gaylicia, su alter ego drag y "una tía txulísima", tal y como describe su perfil de Instagram. Tan guay, que con ella ganó la Dragalada Drag Tour Madrid. El otro bailarin se llama Iosu Martínez, es actor, bailarín, productor y director artístico.
Y así añades que en mayor evento Drag Queen de Europa es de España...
No entiendo la reacción, todos tenemos trasero. Supongo que si hubieran sido dos mujeres le habría gustado la coreografía
@@MiguelRuiz-ky6fn No lo dudes!
Gracias por la información sobre los bailarines, Ellos son lo mejor de la actuación, demostrando que nebulosa es una más sin importar su edad
Para mí le añaden el total
Ganar no ganaremos pero como nos divertimos...
Mesmo não ganhando, a música já é um sucesso
@@thadeucantao540 obrigado
Ya ganamos! Spain ganadores!!
Что???? ваша песня мой фаворит
Total, como nunca ganamos, de perdidos al río...
For me, I really like the message. An older woman embracing who she is and reclaiming a negative word in a positive way is really powerful. And I think it’s a relatively unique perspective for a song. The visuals seem consistent with message she’s trying to get across. It could be reeled in a bit, but I don’t think they’re just going for shock value for no reason. Older people deserve to feel sexy too, if they want lol. Best part of Eurovision is there’s something for everyone, even if everything isn’t for you. 😃
Efectivamente, muy elocuente.
Good point. I was not sure what it meant so I was just going on the articles. Thanks for the perspective! This is good.
La expectativa de vida en España es la más alta del mundo si no me equivoco así que no es tan OLDER... que no estamos en la Edad Media pos Dios 😂😂
If you are talking about the age then Jlo, or Madonna, or many other singers can 't Sing anymore? And not only women can xshow their backs 😅😅
Si fueran shakira y J. Lo te importaría? Estaría bien que reflexionaras.
I totally understand your „I don’t like it“. When I read the translated lyrics and did research about the meaning and the background about the ones jugded, (looks, age!!!,sexuality) and oppressed „community“ (queer and female in a catholic country!!!!) supportive and holding each other’s back to rise, it’s one of the most touching and beautiful songs that ever took part in the EsC! Thanks Spain for your balls to send and celebrate this song 🥳🥰😘😘😘
Spain is not very Catholic anymore, only in the name. Most of us never go to church or follow any religious doctrine. If you visit a church the average age will be around 60-70. Young people are quite open minded and we are one of the most gay-friendly countries in Europe according to surveys
Yo tengo una edad parecida a la de la cantante. Me pasaba lo mismo,si salias a divertirte,malo. Si no salías malo también. Tu propia familia te fiscalizaba. Tenías que ser modosita, dedicarte a la costura,y las labores det hogar. Cuando salías debias decir con quién ibas(fueran hombres o mujeres) tenías una hora de llegada,y pobre de ti que llegaras tarde. Supongo que no todas las mujeres sufrieron esta represión,pero estoy segura que la mayoría si. Esto era muy normal en un país como España,donde el franquismo y un catolocismo mal entendido,oprimia a las mujeres. Se justicaba hasta la violencia de género ,el hombre siempre tenía razón. Una vez superados muchos obstáculos,la mujer es más libre, aunque nos queda mucho todavía. Asi que,la canción de Nebulosa transforma una insulto a la mujer (zorra) en un empoderamiento de las mujeres,que ya no nos importa el que diran,que nos valemos por nosotras mismas. Asi que,no se si ganaremos en Eurovisión,y no se si entenderan la canción, sólo se que es un tema estupendo y creo que es de lo mejor que hemos llevado a Eurovisión.
Thank you for explaining all of that! Awesome information
2024 y todavía hay reticencias con los "bailes" ( por no decir el tanga de los hombres) si las que bailaran fueran chicas con menos ropa que los bailarines no habría problema con los "bailes") Por eso esta canción es TAN NECESARIA.
Thanks for your opinion and to me, it would not have mattered if it was male or female. The message and sexualization just doesn't jive with me. Seems unnecessary but that is just me!
@@DaneBramageROCKS estoy totalmente de acuerdo contigo, y parece que está mal decirlo?? Es necesario enseñar el culo seas hombre o seas mujer? Yo creo que no, esto es un concurso musical, o Al menos lo era. Hoy en día ya no se sabe ni lo que es. Un saludo.
@@merchita_mmm Yes, and I understand the message she is delivering, but look at all the other submissions who do not need this to deliver their message!
The performance is based on the lyrics. At first I also wanted females to dance, but due to complaints and the sexualization of females she decided to go with males. It was still a shock to people, so she still caused what she wanted. It was shocking for some. I guess I understand the performance better now. I would of liked females in prefession outfits and than take of their cloths to represent what people think of female empowerment, but his was still good.
Mientras seamos nosotras las que enseñamos el trasero no hay problema y nadie se asusta. Que problema hay en que los hombres enseñan el trasero? 🤷 igualdad señores.
Di que si..esperaban a dos tías enseñando todo..machistassss jajaja..es lo que hay❤❤Mallorca ( España
Chanel y sus bailarinas enseñaron cachete y nadie se escandalizó.
Siempre hay y habrá carcas aveces pienso que soy más joven de mente que muchos jóvenes viva la libertad por la que luchamos tanto
España es señal de libertad y adelanto social . Espabilen!!!
Never said it wasn't. Good for Nebulossa for making it to the show!
Y tb en muchos casos de vulgaridad
@montserratrincondelapena9226 que es vulgar? Ser libre? Vaya a misa de 12 con su rosario señora
Your reaction to the male dancers is exactly what this song is ultimately about. You saw two male dancers showing a lot of skin and that made you uncomfortable but almost every woman, in Eurovision alone, is put in clothing that looks exactly like that and no one bats an eye. The song is about sexism, so the dancers clothing and movements go 100% in line with the song
So you're assuming you know why I reacted the way I did because of male bare skin? Wow, thanks for that.
Antiguos como el hilo negro, España siempre por delante del mundo en modernidad y tolerancia.Una maravilla.
I actually like the message and the analysis seemed a bit superficial (not necessarily yours but the infos you found). A community reclaiming a word that was used as an insult to take its power away isn't anything new, it has been done for a very long time by several minorities or communities with less social power. Also, with the whole lyrics the picture of "whatever I do, I will be called a zorra" is very clear, as well as the sexism surrounding those insults in the professional world. She says that even if she's successful it' never because she deserves it but because she's a zorra. Often when a woman gets a promotion the questions is "who did she sleep with" while nobody really asks that regarding a man.
The reaction that the dancers get actually gets the point of the song as well, as when female dancers are half naked or with their butts out nobody will really flinch. Especially in the showbussiness world.
Mine its not a complete analysis either but I hope that it gives other points of view 😊
Exactamente.....😘🦊🦊🦊
In these situations, a lot of guys are anxious to let everybody know they find male bodies repulsive, i. e., are not gay. I think the dude's reaction to the butts might also be due to that.
I'll be honest, I don't like when the girls do it either. That was my point. I did not like the MTV Music Awards because almost every female pop star was mostly naked, humping the ground or feeling themselves up and being nasty. This is the negative aspect I don't like and why I am over the sexualization. Those are not the role models society needs.
It's not. Check out my other reply.
I understand your point but for me the male dancers were unsightly as well. Loved the song/singer/band.
If you are talking about the age then Jlo, or Madonna, or many other singers can 't sing anymore? And not only women can show their backs 😅😅
Está abuela no zorrea desde la época romana ,no le pega cantar eso,encima la canción esta acusada de plagio 🤦
LA MEJOR CANCII E INTERPRETE..ARtista..no hace falta ser soprano..ella a sus años ha demostrado que vale y mucho y al que le de rabia que cambie de canal jajaja ❤desde Mallorca
@@victoriacamposescobar1860 no te equivoques el Benidorm está amañao la llevan por política a la aguela,había mejores artistas que ella y mejores trabajos que una canción plagiada 🤦
@@gominola66
😂😂😂 20 años casada dos hijos viva las 🦊🦊🦊🇪🇦🇪🇦😘 haber si cuando tengas 56 años tienes la mitad de su energía yo firmo por ser 🦊🦊
@@gominola66
Y sin querer hacer pupita
Viral 8.000.000 de reproducciones
Nebulossa was formed in 2018 when the romantic couple decided to form a musical group. The name of the group alludes to nebulae because on a trip to Port Ainé they went to an astronomical observatory where they were constantly mentioned.
Bas, 56, and Mark Dasousa, 49, are married, they have two children, one 23 years old and the other 11, and a dog. They generate income through a hair salon. But also, for years, they have had a great passion for music, they don't have a record label or set designers, they do what they can with what they have.
They showed up at the Benidorm Fest with the intention of being able to reach the final and for people to know them and know about them, they never thought about being able to get here and go to Eurovision.
They bring a song that has clear intentions, it has a very direct, empowering and danceable message, they have developed the feminist message that Zorra brings. A hymn to empowerment, which refers to feminine vindication and the resignification of a word that is usually used with pejorative overtones.
That does explain the neat hair style the Keytarist had! Thanks for sharing!
Those dancers made you blush lol
Their cheeks got my cheeks and here we are. 😂
Seriously? What' s wrong with thar. Guys you are soooo old fashion! 😂
😂😂
If it makes you feel uncomfortable, the song is working ✅
Sure did 😆
Wow, what an incredible performance by Spain at Eurovision! 🇪🇸 Despite not winning, the representative, a 56-year-old woman, truly stole the show. Her powerful message about women’s empowerment and living life to the fullest resonated with everyone. Age is just a number, and she proved that with her remarkable singing. Kudos to her for shining on that stage!
Chicos los bailarianes son lo mas, con tacones que bien bailan, y la mami genial
12 Points from the United Kingdom
I love this song so much, my favorite for sure.
Excellent!!
My favorite aspect of the song, in the way I see it, is the act of reclaiming a word that has been used to hurt and humiliate women for years. As a gay man, I resonate with that, and I find it very powerful. I come from a very conservative and homophobic country, so I think it's amazing how many Spanish people seem to embrace such a risqué and evidently queer performance. I think there are a lot of things that can be lost in translation and cultural context. It was interesting to watch your reaction and your first impressions though. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah I was not sure about the history until the articles were read so I am gaining an understanding. Thanks for commenting on this, I was more taken back just by the sexualization alone and not so much who was delivering it. I was not even sure of the stance of the dancer themselves and did not verify their sexual preference so that made no matter to me! Could have been women and I would have said the same thing, but regardless, awesome to see a group go from almost unknown to a national stage competition. Gonna be fun to see them during the show.
Hemos llevado grandes temas y grandes voces. No ganamos nunca. Este año no queremos ganar. Para nodotros ya hemos ganado. ESTE AÑO TOCA DIVERTIRSE. Te go 60 años, mujer, hetero. Y porsupuesto ESPAÑOLA
Nice! Time to have fun!
Ole y Ole tu!!!!!!!!! Así se piensa!!!!!!!!!!
Hombre 64 años lo triste es que todavía se necesiten canciones como está soy hetero pero me gustan los bailarines otra forma de reivindicar al colectivo l
LGTB
Me encanta , esto es libertad de expresión , seguro que si en vez de nombres fueran mujeres no habrías apartado la vista , verdad ?
Obvious 😂
No es feminista. Es antimachista. No confundamos
I guess this guy dos not go to beach or sauna or swimming pool , it is too psychologically traumatizing for him to see people not fully clothed
I don't think it's so much the lack of clothing but more the distasteful, inappropriate and vulgar way they're shamelessly gyrating around each other, which would be fine if this was an adult show, but it isn't, it's broadcast during the time when children are exposed to it. I mean I've been to many pools, beaches and saunas, I don't often see people behaving like this there though.
behaving like what ? @@stebow1977
Not really. I think my comment was taken out of context but it is what it is. I did not mind the dancers, but even when the MTV music awards was on, I thought it distasteful because it just seemed unnecessary, especially if they portray as a role model. It was the oversexualization that bothered me, but that is just the Dad in me talking. Male, Female, does not matter.
@DaneBramageROCKS don't worry about the backlash man, some people want to push their opinion and think no one else's opinion matters. If nothing else this has got you a lot of attention pmsl 😂
@@stebow1977 Truth
Its supposed It comes with a sassy performance by the two dancers , what its funny bringing laugh in a good way😄, thats exactly the message of the song not only to women but other collectives or persons who anytime have felt been rejected or despised, so expressed the same singer. Moral Message of song how turned something offensive into something positive or careless😄just be yourself no matter what others think about It. 👍
Great point and thanks for sharing.
whats wrong with the dancers?
He doesn't like them, end of. If you do like them good for you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I was ok until they stripped down. It's tasteless and I was not a fan of the MTV Music awards for the same thing. Seems unnecessary.
@@DaneBramageROCKSSomehow, I do agree... But I accept them. As Spanish people say: If you do not like them, do not look at them.
So is ok for females to be halfnaked on stage but not men?? And people want equality??
Also, we, spanish, are the most badmouthed europeans you will find, even worst than latinamericans, always so pudorous and christian, we are wayy passed all that, and we do not care, like at all.
It's called male insecurity 😂
😂😂😂😂I'm dying of laughter at your reaction, I think most of us did, but I like the song. greetings from Croatia ❤️
Thank you so much!! Greetings.
I understand that you are desperate...
You're older than her!
❤🦊 🇪🇸 🎉🎉 🎉
I'm not but thanks!! I liked the song, just did not agree with the message but that is because I was not sure of what was being delivered.
@@DaneBramageROCKS the message is that older women matter.
PS I love your stuff but I think I'm going to agree to disagree on this one.
Todas las opiniones son respetables, siempre y cuando se hagan desde el respeto, a mí me parece una canción genial, por el mensaje (si se entiende la intención) y por la sintonía pegadiza. Ojalá uno de los grandes Dj's actuales la coja como base y haga un remix para Tomorrowlamd 😄
Thank you. It was with respect. I have bad thoughts toward anyone. I did like the song overall.
Cuando se remueve lo establecido en un canal tan mundialmente conocido con Eurovisión es normal que provoque controversia. Respeto tu opinión. A mí Eurovisión o es algo que me interese: un concurso entre países europeos donde algunos participantes no lo son y están únicamente por política. Para mí despierta mayor interés cuando se utiliza para despertar conciencias y desterrar muchas hipocresías.
Gracias Dane por tu opinión siempre respetable.
Desde un punto de vista musical y respecto a su voz puedo estar de acuerdo contigo. Pero en conjunto no porque me interesa más UTILIZAR Eurovision como canal social. Mejor que como canal político. No te parece?
Than you so much and I respect your response. I did not mean any ill will to anyone. I dig the contest in a sense where we can see what each country represents, but that is also where you have to be careful who and what is representing your country. Thank you so much for understanding! Cheers
I do. They need to keep politics out of it and just leave a positive representation.
The problem is that we Spaniards know that even if we present the best song on the planet, we are not going to win the festival there many interests in the middle, and with this song at least we Spaniards are going to have a lot of fun. 🇪🇸🇪🇸🦊🦊🇪🇸🇪🇸
Should be a fun one!
Nobody knew her in Spain till now. So the lyrics have double meaning i guess.
People know who they are now!
There will always be brave people that will take all the insults for the next to come not to be cursed at
I love the dancers sorry, perfect for this song the message is perfect
Me gustaría saber tú opinión sobre los chicos, hubieras pensado igual si fueran chicas...? Hace 2 años fue Chanel, enseñando nalga, junto a sus bailarinas, nadie se quejó, no.hubo polémica, pero si dale una diva acompañada de chicos bailando, enseñando nalga...
Surge la polémica. Hipocresía
Made no difference and I said nothing about the dancers themselves. I answered this already, it is the over sexualization I found distasteful, regardless who is displaying it. It's not the showing, it's the act. No hypocrisy here. Thanks for the question.
@@DaneBramageROCKS respeto tú opinión. Gracias
@@montsevigaramorato7213 Thank you for the mutual respect! Cheers.
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I believe the message is being a little bit misunderstood. She's saying 'if I go out alone, you'd call me a bitch, if I have fun, you'd call me a bitch...' so she's like 'if that makes me a bitch, then I am proud of it because I am happy as I am, I am doing no wrong and if a male did that things that would be no problem'.
Makes sense. Thank you.
Soy española....y es una vergüenza. La gente en la calle dice que es una vergüenza denigra más a la mujer y lo que te cuentan en los medios de comunicación es mentira. España tiene cantantes buenísimos.😢😢😢😢
Ok, that is what I thought. I feel like the message was misrepresented, thank you for clarifying.
This is an Eurovision song and obviously they know its audience and who this song is for (not only “the girls”). Of course we LOVE the dancers.
She eat it!!!
They do! Thank you so much for the comment!
I don't agree with you but thank you for being so respectful.
Thank you as well! 🙏🏻
De nada hombre!! 🤗
I used to live in Spain, they curse like sailors over there. I don't see why it's a big deal as this is the typical way they talk?!?! However "Zorra" is an insult if a woman stays out too late having fun, while it's okay for men to do the same. There's also a line in there that anything she earned, she didn't deserve it. I can't tell you how many times in my life I've had people come up to me asking if my boyfriend bought my clothes, car, jewelry. I worked my tail off to go to college and be successful in my career. It's a song about owning the word so it's not a slur anymore/equal opportunity. I'm also about the same age as the singer. ;-)
Yeah who knows, I was a bit surprised when I read the article but I also do not know the culture or what goes on, but, here we are!
In Spain the people swear like sailors? And what happen here?and zorra es actually the name for a fox, or a b here. By the way much more use here.
La cultura española estuvo en América antes que la inglesa, los pocos indios vivos que dejaron los ingleses (vaqueros romántizados en los westerns) están en reservas malviviendo en los Estados Unidos de América que tienen nombre español ( colorado, Tejas, California...) porque huían de la muerte segura y les concedieron unas parcelillas en lugares inhóspitos perdidos para que acabarán por extinguirse solos)
De las 13 colonias huían al sur los negros esclavos, para entrar en los dominios españoles y ser libres. Esa es la esencia de la cultura española.
Mientras Inglaterra era genocida España construía hospitales, catedrales, Universidades se casaba y hacía mestizaje desde Argentina hasta más de la mitad de lo que ahora llamáis USA. Sin destrucción.
Esa es básicamente la cultura española.
Otra cosa es que te hayan contado y hasta donde quieras tú investigar de lo glorioso de España y lo rastrero de Inglaterra... es triste. Supongo que no te interesará mirar un poquito debajo de la alfombra. 😅😅
Efectivamente canción es reivindicativa, pero eso de que en España se maldice como marineros no es cierto en absoluto
Guauuuuuu ZORRA 💚💚💚💚💚🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸💃💃💃💃💃
No te preocupes tú opinión no es muy importante....a mi me encantan!
Thanks for watching. I suppose no one's opinion is important
Soy de españa y esto es vergonzoso 💋😍
Yeah, I watched the live performance and was not impressed
Spain wins!
I ❤ it
OLE España Siiiii❤❤
ESTOY EN UN BUEN MOMENTOOO
Zorra is a swear word in Spanish from Spain
Es una actuación con baile. Las mujeres se desnudan, y los hombres también!! 💕
The lyrics are very cool :) have a message :)
It is true, I did not have a problem with the lyrics but mostly did not understand the meaning, which is why I read the articles. I'm indifferent but wither way, the song and style of music were fun!
Spain 2024. Yeah...🎉
Can you clarify exactly what you object to about the message of the song?
I did
Hay una versión de esa canción, hecha por Los Meconios jijiji...la canción se titula Cerdo.....es muy buena 😂😂😂😂
Awesome
Love it ❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉
Really? So afraid of what???
As a 46 year old woman, a European and a feminist, I don’t find this song and video controversial at all; I rather find them weak.
By feminist terms, reclaiming gender equality through reversing the stereotypical roles is still embracing those roles. A bit like someone who was bullied empowering themselves by becoming a bully - it doesn’t work like that and this is not what feminism is for and stands for.
I also dislike the vocal performance, I perceive it as weak and at times was irritated by it (off-pitch on two occasions?).
Naked male butts on stage are not a shock. I find the dance choreography tried to be humorous or parodic, and the costumes were unflattering, so in combination those dancers did attract the eye but not in a good way, they were a bit ridiculous, but I think that fits the intended role-reversal message as well. They were made to feel cringey on purpose. Again, this is a message that as a feminist I disagree with. I think the human body can be sexual and shown as sexual in a respectful and tasteful way. For example, the music video of Austria is very explicit with suggestive male bodies and poses, and other than this portrayal being cliché as well, it is ag least not done to ridicule or humiliate.
For a gorgeous use of the naked male body for artistic emotional expression through masterful choreography and videography, see Belgium ❤
This is a wonderful explanation. I think yo took what I was trying to say. Was not controversial in my mind, just tasteless. I watched the MTV Music Awards a few months back and felt the same way, it was just tasteless and unnecessary. Thank you for commenting, this is a great explanation to the submission, IMO.
ZORRA ZORRA HASTA EL FINAL ❤❤❤❤MUCHOS besos ❤❤❤❤❤12 POINTS ❤❤
I like the song a lot but while I mean no offense to the singer, I feel like a bit more power in the voice would've worked better. To my ears it sounds like she's not putting enough effort, at least at some parts
Agreed
I wasn't as surprised anymore by the gay dancers with their crossdresser clothing. I currently do research about closeted gays in the entertainment industry and I found out that at least half of the main marvel actors are either gay or bi so these half naked dancers didn't shock me anymore. Joan Rivers even joked in the 1960s that she can't find a Hollywood boyfriend because the men are either all married or "dancers", so it is actually very fitting what we see here. It is just not hidden anymore.
That Joan Rivers is hilarious. But I could care less about their sexual affiliation, I just was not a fan of the over sexualized style. Seems unnecessarily IMO. I didn't care for it when the MTV Music Awards plastered it all over the place either.
Me parece bien que saque los bailarines ,siempre han sido chicas,y bien,ahora salen chicos y que escándalo ,así que hay que revisarlo!!
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I'm spanish. LIKE VIDEO
En USA algunas personas practican la doble moral
That is everywhere. Not just the U.S.
My favorite is CROATIA ❤ Baby Lasagna ❤❤❤❤
That one is coming soon! 😉
Por fin traseros de hombres.....la que se a liado!!!
Por cierto....me encanta la canción. Te hace vibrar.❤❤❤❤❤
C'mon guys, give Dane a break -- he had an honest reaction to the performance and was neither offensive nor disrespectful to any of it. Would his looking away from the sight of the male dancers be justified if he was gay? Or is it a prerequisite for all gay people to like that particular choreography and outfits? He may not get all the nuances of a (sub)culture but at least he made an effort to learn something about it and was not dismissive; both being commendable. We all should strive to peek beyond horizons that make our everyday life/tradition and exchange opinions with people outside our own tribe. The alternative to that looks much too frightening.
Thank You. I was a bit suprised, but also not about some of the backlash. Have no issues with the people themselves, just did not enjoy the delivery. Seemed unnecessary. But, oh well. I regret nothing I said! Cheers!
Here someone from Spain.
Firstly, I have to say that the song is not my cup of tea, I wouldn't listen to it in my free time. However, when it comes to the meaning and what it pretends to visualize, it is quite huge.
As you had read, the word "zorra" is used in a VERY despective way here towards women. If you go out alone you're a "zorra", if you dress with "less clothes" or a short skirt you're a "zorra", etc. So basically, although Spain isn't really considered a sexist country, you can still see and hear these kind of comments quite frecuently arround you.
Nebulossa's intention is to change the meaning of this word to represent empowerment. When did we all agree that "zorra" means b*tch and "zorro" astute? Actually, this happens with some other words where the femenine form of the noun means something bad and the male version something good.
Lastly, the dancers clothing and dancing style makes a reference to how we are so used to see women dancers with almost no clothes dancing along with the singer, while male dancers are usually covered up (at least they have pants). So in this case, they changed the roles, so she's all covered up while the two men are dancing with those "clothes".
Hope this helped you understand some more stuff :)
This does yes! Thank you so much for explaining all that and understanding. I appreciate it! Cheers.
I forget how behind Americans are sometimes
We are not, we just do not have to accept it.
Exactly my point. Seems like women’s and gay rights and empowerment scares Americans
@@paulmarquez1245 Not necessarily. I think it is more of how it is delivered for forced. Much like anyone, people don't want their decisions made for them or told how they have to live. Really though, no matter the subject there is always going to be controversy. This contest is the perfect example to that.
Vamos a reírnos de europa
I didnt understand why were u laughing to the way the dancers dress, we are in 2024
Who said I laughed at the way they dressed?
"some of the ladies, or other people" well...
I love this song! Spain is my #1 this year.
If possible please react to Israel :)
Awesome! Ok, I'll take a look, thank you.
This song is about freedom, and she doesn't care about critics or comments about her age, mostly from old males (like you).
Was not criticizing her age, I was actually commending her. I like seeing people still get out there as they progress in life.
@@anciify Guess I can't criticize or compliment. Damned if you do, Damned if you don't.
Wait, what...? @MSol-jz1hc, so, the reactor makes a complimentary remark about her age, which you don't agree with, so you comment against him by making a derogatory remark about his age. And then also a derogatory remark about his gender?! Wow the double standard is astounding! You were also so bold as to assume his gender?! Congratulations, you just made the most insulting and offensive remark of the entire post...
@@anciifymaking a complimentary remark about anyone, including their age, isn't patronising just because your twisted mind thinks it is. Also, if the aim of the performance is intended to shock, why are you surprised when people are shocked?!
@@stebow1977 I just put a mirror. It was not necessary to comment about her age to criticize the song. I have seen other reactions to this song and most of the ones that comment about her age, are coming from males in the same age range.
I can't stand with the paternalism and this song is about this.
Song is a full party with an ironic message..never is too aging to welcome your dreams come true...I think you are older than the singer..so age is botherless.. I love the song anytime
I agree, I was commending her on her age, not criticizing. And I do dig the song, never said I didn't.
American puritanism🤦🏻♀️
Yes, most Europeans tend to laugh at it, some Americans hyperventilate. Kind of funny to see the cultural difference.
Totally
It isn't puritism to dislike something, everyone is entitled to their opinion and if it differs from yours that doesn't make him a puritan. What does though is people who disagree with his opinion who then slate him and imply to him that he's wrong because they think they're better than him.
Why so much overthinking?? Its the best song of Eurovision 2024 even for years before, but black legend in full throttle to put all this ton of a song to a 22nd place, really Europe? yeah so I'm a rocker and heavy metal fan of all kinds but this dance pop-ish song keep people alive and forget without drinking or getting high to try to understand why who actually won Eurovision 2024
Tu eres más viejo que ella tío,
😂😂😂😂
Although you don't like the dancers and I understand why you say it, in this song they make sense as the normal thing is that women have to show their body and men are well dressed. In this case, she is completely dressed and the dancers are showing their body. That fits with the idea that the song represents.
Es una canción muy profunda en realidad. Este es un mundo machista, donde también hay mujeres machistas. Abrid las mentes. Vivir y dejar vivir. Libertad!
Thank you.
They wear the same robe that Chanel with Slomo... and It was not a problem...Why? Because she was a woman and not two men??? ... 🤔🤔🤔
Un messaggio può passare anche senza usare parolacce .
Io la stessa cosa.
Quando l'ho ascoltata m'è piaciuta subito , poi sono andata a guardarmi il testo ....tutte quelle parolacce e m'ha lasciata molto perplessa .
Le parolacce non sono di mio gusto .
Ripeto si può dire cose utilizzando un linguaggio garbato .
Se è il messaggio che deve arrivare , arriva lo stesso e con il buon gusto .
Ah yes. I also think it is unnecessary and almost all my reactions on here are from cleaner videos. Almost...😁
entrenar esa voz
I have not read all the comments, so this might have come up before.
I dont understand how you dont understand the dancers role in the storytelling? Juxtaposition is one of the oldest tricks in the book?
I understand it, I just don't have to agree with it. No harm in that.
@@DaneBramageROCKS fair enough 😋 love your reactions, keep them coming! 🥳
@@ESundback Thank you so much! Cheers. More to come.
I felt a bit funny and confused by your reaction to those dancers. It's a great song, musically it has some resemblance to Desireless Voyage Voyage and OMD Enola Gay. Very 80s and a kind of retro Madonna back in the days of True Blue
Idk the message is about taking power and using the word that was for an insult back under her own umbrella to give her strength. Also i couldn't think of anything more rock and roll. Obviously not the song but the attitude and what comes with rock and roll F the norms and F what anyone else thinks. I mean look at ozzy.
True. Good point. Thank you.
I absolutely agree with you. The message and the final result on stage are totally different. Hope next year we can send sb sth better 😢
Thank you!
DaneBramage ROCKS have you seen Finlands entry for Eurovision 2006, Finland won Eurovision Song Contest that year, with Lordi and the song Hardrock Hallelujah th-cam.com/video/gAh9NRGNhUU/w-d-xo.html I don't know how it was at that time, but apparently nowadays in Eurovision all instruments on stage in any competing entry are prerecorded nothing is live except the lead vocal singing.
Oh I have not. I'll take a look, thank you!
@@DaneBramageROCKS Oh, you will enjoy Lordi! They opened up the way for rock bands to enter Eurovision.
@@tanjanikola9489 Lordi is much more his style.
If the truth is, electronic music is very, very good, it has a lot of spark and is engaging, but you don't hear it much and the lyrics, well, that's what my country is, it always makes you laugh. Happy Happy 😂😂. La música electrónica es muy muy buena tiene mucha chispa y engancha pero a ella no se la oye bien siempre mi país hace ser felices a lo demás