i like how the most memorable part of the game is the slight flirtiness that happen between the siblings and that "one scene" and not the cannibalism and them literally making a deal with a demon and what not.
Andrew's cardinal sin is arrogance, as he never admits to being wrong, Ashley is always the scapegoat, he wears a good guy mask to protect his self-image, he blames others for his mistakes, he plays the victim, he manipulates the player telling him that he is being used by Ashley, he always prioritizes himself first, kills people who could harm him, lies to avoid responsibilities and about who he is, deceives Júlia to eliminate rumors about him and Ashley, uses Júlia to satisfy his desires incestuous by Ashley, the part where he says that boys show their love by touching women's hair, we saw that he does this all the time with Ashley, imagine Ashley making threats about Julia, he must even feel pleasure in seeing his younger sister Wanting him so much, he loves his sister's obsession with him, instead of turning himself in for Nina's murder, he thinks about hiding Nina's whereabouts, as he didn't want to be arrested and lose Ashley. Andrew has shown himself to be someone who cares above all about himself and only about Ashley, he is the most superb and psychopathic protagonist I have ever met, even the kit9 studio itself denied that Andrew is a victim of Ashley in a video on his channel: Narrator saying: "Forget all that, she's sooooo family" Narrator saying: "Do you care about your family?" Narrator speaking: "You actually not" Narrator speaking: "Not but trying seems normal anyway"
Don't get me wrong they're both monsters but of the two its Ashley by LONG shot. A demon itself comments that her soul is as dark as tar. Andrew likely would have ended up just another delusional narcissist without her. It begs the question is it worse that his actions were learned or is it worse that Leyley was born evil? I'd argue the later. I've met kids before were you just know EXACTLY where they are going to end up.
@@pokeman5000 Andrew is not a narcissist either here or in China, he is a mild psychopath, the guy lies to escape his responsibilities, he prefers to hide Nina's whereabouts so as not to go to prison and lose Ashley, he wears a mask of normality, individuals with narcissistic personality disorder don't wear a mask of normality but rather a mask of grandiosity, something quite unlike Andrew, as he doesn't want to appear superior, he just wants nothing bad to be involved for him, he doesn't give a damn for people other than Ashley, he just pretends to have empathy with other people, he knows about the bad things that Ashley does to people but he pretends not to see it, he is quite a liar and disingenuous, he has no moral scruples, individuals with personality disorder Narcissists have a moral conscience, whereas psychopaths have no equal, Andrew pretends to have some moral restraint. A person with narcissistic personality disorder would not be as cold and calculating as Andrew is throughout the game, he himself proved to be quite cold, when he disregarded Nina's whereabouts, instead of handing it over, he preferred to hide it so as not to getting stuck, someone with NPD wouldn't be that cold, that's the behavior of a primary psychopath! Andrew is worse than Ashley, because he is still doing evil and sees himself as a saint, Ashley is already honest about who she is!
@@jasonserial4535 There are 4 "pillars" when it comes to narcissists. Grandiosity (as you described), lack of empathy (check), sense of entitlement (check), and an overall seeking of admiration/validation from other people (which he gets from Ashley and other women tbh). Even as they are about to sacrifice their parents he still cares enough to deflect what they think of him, a psychopath wouldn't (like Ashley doesn't shes quick to turn the knife). He's constantly worried about his perception even through his sardonic commentary. He chokes when they're dining on their neighbor (Ashley doesn't). He blushes and panics when they get a certain vision of the future. (Ashley doesn't). The point is the second Leyley pressured him into luring Nina into playing hide and seek it was over. Now that he had one body on his conscience whats another? He's not a victim but the point remains at one point he did have a conscience and it still continues to bleed through from time to time. Ashley doesn't.
Oops, are you here? I really liked your video about the game but I completely agree with you, Andrew is much worse than Ashley, because he tries to appear to care about other people, his girlfriend and his parents but deep down, he doesn't care of a high-functioning psychopath who only has an obsessive love for Ashley! His mask (dissimulation) of normality is so good that he, to this day, deceives most people into thinking he is a normal and heroic person!
Andrew-lust and pride- he lusts for Ashley and because for a while didn't want to admit it Ashley-Envy, gluttony and Wrath- constantly jealous Andrew has relationships with other people apart from her and her sending death threats and was the one who was still into eating people despite it not being needed Mrs Graves-Greed-sold kids for money Mr Graves-sloth-is a pushover and has no spine
Notably, as Ashley pointed out, he also killed the 302 woman on her bed, and lied about it. He did something unspeakable to her, and silenced her afterwards. Too full of himself to be caught indulging.
I Disagree with Andrew being more lustful unless if we are talking about burial,Decay andrew no longer has those feelings towards Ashley since he resents her but this is based of only a few cutscenes since we have barley seen Anything when it comes to Decay Andrew gotta wait for ep 3 Decay to actually confirm
I respectfully disagree with your assignment of lust to Ashley. First of all, you claim that Ashley was *pissed* that Andrew chose a two bedroom motel room, but I don't think she was angry at all. She was making an observation: "Leave it to Andrew to get a room with two beds... and then get night terrors and ask me to comfort him." She's observing that the situation is kind of ironic, perhaps even humorous. After the "special" premonition that can be seen in the burial route, we can see that Ashley reacts awkwardly, though not as badly as Andrew does. She can tease Andrew about the vision and get under his skin, which is keeping with her character throughout the game. However, later at the bridge, Ashley thinks about that vision and sees it as "one way to keep him around." She hasn't had those kind of thoughts toward Andrew before, but she is willing to pursue it in order to keep her Andy. I believe that lust should instead go to Andrew, who has at least been implied to be more "active" before the events of the game. In the flashback with his ex, we can see him request that she tie her hair up, much like Ashley. If Andrew observes his bed at the motel, the narrator will sarcastically remark about the authenticity of Andrew's nightmares, the reason Ashley has to comfort him at night. We see Andrew stick his fingers through Ashley's belt loop. You could argue that Lust applies to both Ashley and Andrew, but I would argue it most certainly apples to Andrew more than Ashley.
After your comment, you changed my mind, it should apply to the both of them. Andrew merely because he is indeed “active” and Ashley for the things we’ve seen in the premonitions. Goated comment, thank you TF2 Engineer.
I disagree about Ashley, while she isn't as actively desiring it like Andrew is however I highly doubt she wouldn't take it if given the chance. When we hear the voicemails she leaves Julia she points out at least a couple times how she is getting Andrews dick while Ashley isn't, along with all the other tiles we see her accusing him with getting with sometime. I don't think she should get the sin of lust, Andrew definitely earns that but Ashley isn't innocent in wanting something from him either
You could also argue that their mom and dad also have a place here since the entire reason they wanted their kids to live in a different house was so they could do their "activities" more easily
Nina and Julia situation is more complicated because of new progress reports.Andy asked Nina and Julia to become friends with Ashley,they become(Not really(They never wanted to celebrate her birthday,and in Questionable Burial route one of the art work literally states that they were fake friends,Julia and Nina probably tried to be friends with Ashley to get closer to Andrew)).
@@insert_very_cool_name Because he is possessive and obsessive about his own little sister but he wears a mask to appear normal! The mask he wears is like he was a normal, neurotypical brother who empathizes with other people and hates incest but behind his mask (disguise) he is sick in love with Ashley!
@@insert_very_cool_name Here are some top of the mind examples: He plays with Ashley's hair while she sleeps. He is implied to lie about having night terrors in order to have Ashley physically comfort him while he sleeps. He asks his girlfriend to tie up her hair, which is something that Ashley does, hinting that he wants his girlfriend to be a surrogate for his Ashley. He sticks his fingers in Ashley's belt loop. After Ashley and Andrew share a moment on the couch and their mother walks in, Andrew chooses to place his pillow over his crotch. When his mother accuses him of doing it with Ashley, he comes off as more surprised/caught than disgusted.
Honestly for Wrath, it should be Andrew. He killed multiple with no remorse for his action (the guard, who he wishes he had killed slower and the lady from Room 302) and in Decay route has absolutely no problems with killing Ashley (although tbf, she also kills him with her gun if it has bullets left).
He do have regret for the girl in the box but yes he is a bit psyco so if you deserve it he will have no regret they locked them and didn’t feed them for a while so understable
Nah but fr tho... I'd totally fix both of them at the same time, no cap. Why? Because trust me... I'm the rizzler without the rizz. Because i don't need rizz, i have charisma.
@@JellySandwichesAllNight at the time of robbing their parents for money (and as a sacrifice for the demon) at chapter 2, ashley and andrew went to their parents house suspecting their parents werent home. at 10 in the morning (i think thats the time) they wanted to do the ritual now to recharge their device that makes them see the future, so they did. they needed to tie them up for no escape, andrew went to their parents bedroom and stupidly made enough noise to wake dad up. dad clueless said what was he doing, andrew for some dumbass reason said "i want to fuck myself" dad was i think drunk and let it happen after andrew came back, dad was seen going down the stairs to the basement. andrew was in a neck slitting position like that image. and the rest is where that came from..
Her mother had a dark soul... But as the demon said Ashley's is much darker... (Andrew and his father literally couldn't do athing against them like what?) I really hope these siblings change or at least get separated from each other (I know it's bot likely to happen but it's just my thoughts)
The thumbnail looks like Andrew rizzing up both his sister and his mom to sleep with him. And the real villian here is mostly Ashley herself. ( Like literally )
Wasn't it confirmed by Nemlei *and* the game that Ashley doesn't lust for Andrew, but she will do it if it means that Andrew wilk stay with her? It's not like she's jealous that Julia can "do it" with her Andy because she wants to, it's because she knows it's a way of affection that at that point she believed Andrew wouldn't (or rather couldn't) do it with her. She was mad at the ability that Julia had to get closer with Andrew that she didn't have. It's very unclear if she wants a romantic relationship with Andrew but we know that she doesn't lust for him like that. That's all him. Andrew lusts for Ashley, as every "intimate" interaction was brought on by him. (And before anyone says the *chomp* scene, that was just Ashley being playful, even if it did get Andrew aroused, it probably wasn't even her intention)
1:53 Noo, she had a crush on him, andrew even said "ewww" since he was like 8 or so, and thats was enough, but andrew has no other connections besides luring her to death. Thats how i see it
I think Andrew is actually the one who is "lustful." Sure, he actively denies it, yet he keeps going into his sister's bed at night and even asks his girlfriend (who looks a lot like Ashley from the start) to put her hair up. Ashley, on the other hand, treats the whole thing very... calculatively. Sure, she is willing to have sex with him, but she does admit in one of the routes she doesn’t actually feel either way about it. It's just another way to manipulate her brother into staying with her. You could argue that is a form of "lust" for her brother, just not actually sexual, but Andrew is definitely the one who is actually down bad.
I think many are very unfair to Andrew. He is a victim of 99% of what happens in the game. 1) Kill the girl: When you are 8-9 years old you are not aware of everything that can happen, including leaving someone locked up to dead. Andy locked the girl up because her sister threw a huge tantrum at him and made him feel guilty. As children, we are very manipulative and if we add that to the fact that Andy thought the girl was not going to die. It sounds quite reasonable that Andrew would leave the girl locked up for being manipulated by his sister. 2) Hide the girl's body: It is normal to want to hide something that you are going to be blamed for, especially if it is not primarily your fault and you think you will go to jail. Of course, the best thing is that he would have turned himself in and hope that the penal system would put him in the best of cases with psychologists in an orphanage or in the worst of cases in a correctional facility. But Andrew being a little boy, it's normal that he didn't make the best choice. 3) All the people he killed with his sister in the hotel: In a survival situation, it is kill or be killed, when your life is in danger you cannot afford to be merciful, especially if other people want to kill you or hinder you . Is survival. 4) Steal and kill his parents along with his sister: In this case we are in a super specific situation. His parents sold him to die and also the justice system would persecute them for the hotel. It is normal for them to resort to stealing from their parents to survive. Regarding killing their parents, it was the safest thing, since they could contact the company to have them killed and they could also obtain power to predict a future murderer. 5) Eating human flesh in the hotel: They were starving and the neighbor was already dead, not that there was much moral conflict. 6) Eating his (dead) parents: Here we are in a case similar to that of the girl, Ashley is unstable and Andrew has to maintain control about her to get out alive, no matter how much he doesn't want to, it is better for him to listen to his sister, who is the one who is truly interested in human flesh. To summarize, Andrew has been in a horrible situation always: Irresponsible parents (mainly the mother) turning into murderers, a sister with psychopathy who manipulates him, the girl's accident, the sister who takes advantage of the trauma to manipulate him even more, that years later your parents sell you to die and your sister who is still the same as always. One in a situation like Andrew's would probably do the same.
So friend, kit9 studio sent a video mocking those who think Andrew is the victim and the good guy in the story, as well as unmasking Andrew (because he is Two-Face all the time), in pretending to be someone neurotypical (he is nothing more than a lying psychopath who hides behind a mask): Narrator saying: "Forget all that, she's sooooo family" Narrator saying: "Do you care about your family?" Narrator speaking: "You really don't care" Narrator speaking: "Not other than trying to look normal anyway" Trying to appear normal? This proves that Andrew is a secretive person who pretends to feel empathy for other people, but in fact chapter two denies this: Andrew reacting to his bed when Ashley is waiting for the killer: "You really have as many nightmares as you claim" The narrator's sarcasm proves that Andrew lies about having nightmares but this is not the first time he lied, he deceived Ashley about why he eliminated Lady 302 who was an innocent person: Andrew reacting to Lady 302's whereabouts: "You eliminated her to leave no witnesses, and also because Ashley wanted her dead anyway" Andrew then eliminated a girl for Ashley? Are you sure Andrew is nothing more than a psychopath who lies like hell??! This isn't the first time Andrew has eliminated someone for Ashley, Guard Malcolm has something interesting in his speech: Andrew reacting to Malcolm's whereabouts: "You eliminated him to protect Ashley, no regrets but in fact you regret something, not making him suffer before eliminating him, because he was flirting with Ashley" What is this pathological jealousy between Andrew and Ashley? He wasn't the manipulated one, I'm believing he distorts the truth. Andrew reacting to Dave's whereabouts: "You eliminated him because he would be a danger later, and also because he would be a witness" What a calculating killer Andrew is, he lies to his little sister and the players so well, that there are people who don't see the villain behind the mask. He lies to his parents to pretend to be considerate towards him, even his mother, who is a psychopath like him, fell for Andrew's lies and dissimulation, thinking he was doing it out of manipulation of Ashley but in reality, he never had any empathy by his parents, he just pretended to have it. Andrew knew about Ashley's threats towards Júlia, Ashley's symbolism in the window of Andrew's dream proves this, he was aware of Ashley's evil actions towards Júlia (she practiced self-mutilation, which is why she wears cold clothes), but He didn't give a damn, knowing all this, he told Júlia at the end of the relationship that he had nothing to be responsible for. Andrew is extremely secretive, that's what he is! Andrew and Ashley are victims of abusive parents but Ashley never manipulated Andrew, he was always Two-Face and a liar the whole game!
@@jasonserial4535 Look, if there are pieces of story that appear outside of the game or story that appears in chapter 3 and 4, it's still a bit unfair to try to figure out a character. I'm basing it on what appears in chapters 1 and 2. If the company or creator behind the game drops parts of the story outside of the game or there are parts of the story that will appear in chapters 3 and 4, that's no longer my responsability. I only judge the character based on what the game has shown me.
@@UwUMaestro The problem is that my answer is talking about chapter two in Andrew's dream, where it clearly shows that he is disingenuous and a liar all the time, the very decay ending that Kit9 studio sent to that video about this ending, proves that Andrew is disguised (and will probably change the final decay). That video that kit9 studio sent would be a way to see who Andrew really is, a hypocrite who hides behind a mask and not at all a genuine victim!
Andrew is the one who has lust feelings for his sister while ashley doesnt havent yall seen some of the dialogues like where andrew wanted to hug her until she shuts up or how he lies about having nightmares just to sleep with ashley while ashley just wants his attention thats all
This game would have been so different if the parents just acknowledge the kids have both psychotic and sociopathic tendencies, even if they couldn't take them to get help they could have at least talked to them. The parents were pretty much the issues got worse too sonce they pretty much led the tow to their codependency by making him take care of her son yong
Yea but this also happens in real life. Lots of parents don't notice or avoid weird behaviour in kids. For example when I was a kid I liked to stab myself with rose's thorns. My mom knew. You know what she did? Nothing.
am i the only one that has thought about a theory where, if you lifted the hair that is between andrew's eyes, a third, demonic, eye would uncover? Yes? well...shit
Still don't see the problem with them eating people, to those thinking oh it's against the law those are just suggestions just like those towards war from Geneva suggestions.
The thing people don't understand about Tcoaal is that its not a normal horror game, its a psychological horror game. Its not supposed to be scary but its supposed to make you feel weird, supposed to make you want to stop playing, not scare you.
There are two more chapters left, can’t wait for Saul to defend these two again 💀
Mrs graves raiden shogun made by my friend soysauce 🐙
yes man those vids were bangers😂
your honor you honer. is it realy illegal to finger your sister aaaah thats what i thought your honer
imagine if he used pheonix wright as the plaintiff
you said the coffer of andy and leyler
tHe CoFfIn oF aRAndy AnD leYlER!!!1111!1
I love how it's mostly ashley
Its because of mrs graves that its mostly ashley 😭
@@YourFavoriteNPC 💀💀💀
😂😂😂
@@YourFavoriteNPCyeah since she is the mom she knew her kid had issues but did nothing to help it.
@@parkersmith8711 JEW??
"Your honour, in my clients defense, they were left to die, now why wouldn't you eat your already dead neighbor if you're starving?"
Your honor, ever heard of the term: what the sigma?
@@YourFavoriteNPC Your honour, L + Ratio
@@YourFavoriteNPC Jury, shut the fuck up, you wasn't even there
Your honour, why did i just read everything in YourFavouriteNPC's voice??
@@The_voices_are_getting_louder_bro literally said that was justified what you yapping about
i like how the most memorable part of the game is the slight flirtiness that happen between the siblings and that "one scene" and not the cannibalism and them literally making a deal with a demon and what not.
Literally everyone remembers this game as “that incest game”
>I like how the most memorable part of the game is it's main subplot
Literally this game is about fucked up relationship, so yea, i remember it pretty well
"Murder, gore? Yes!"
"Incest? No."
@@YourFavoriteNPC cause like cannibalism is cool while incest is a jumpscare, like on The Forest and Sons of the forest ive flourished my Leggy meals
Andrew's cardinal sin is arrogance, as he never admits to being wrong, Ashley is always the scapegoat, he wears a good guy mask to protect his self-image, he blames others for his mistakes, he plays the victim, he manipulates the player telling him that he is being used by Ashley, he always prioritizes himself first, kills people who could harm him, lies to avoid responsibilities and about who he is, deceives Júlia to eliminate rumors about him and Ashley, uses Júlia to satisfy his desires incestuous by Ashley, the part where he says that boys show their love by touching women's hair, we saw that he does this all the time with Ashley, imagine Ashley making threats about Julia, he must even feel pleasure in seeing his younger sister Wanting him so much, he loves his sister's obsession with him, instead of turning himself in for Nina's murder, he thinks about hiding Nina's whereabouts, as he didn't want to be arrested and lose Ashley.
Andrew has shown himself to be someone who cares above all about himself and only about Ashley, he is the most superb and psychopathic protagonist I have ever met, even the kit9 studio itself denied that Andrew is a victim of Ashley in a video on his channel:
Narrator saying: "Forget all that, she's sooooo family"
Narrator saying: "Do you care about your family?"
Narrator speaking: "You actually not"
Narrator speaking: "Not but trying seems normal anyway"
Bro you cooked a lot with this comment it deserves a heart, keep cooking brother 🔥
@@YourFavoriteNPC Thanks bro!
Don't get me wrong they're both monsters but of the two its Ashley by LONG shot. A demon itself comments that her soul is as dark as tar. Andrew likely would have ended up just another delusional narcissist without her. It begs the question is it worse that his actions were learned or is it worse that Leyley was born evil?
I'd argue the later. I've met kids before were you just know EXACTLY where they are going to end up.
@@pokeman5000 Andrew is not a narcissist either here or in China, he is a mild psychopath, the guy lies to escape his responsibilities, he prefers to hide Nina's whereabouts so as not to go to prison and lose Ashley, he wears a mask of normality, individuals with narcissistic personality disorder don't wear a mask of normality but rather a mask of grandiosity, something quite unlike Andrew, as he doesn't want to appear superior, he just wants nothing bad to be involved for him, he doesn't give a damn for people other than Ashley, he just pretends to have empathy with other people, he knows about the bad things that Ashley does to people but he pretends not to see it, he is quite a liar and disingenuous, he has no moral scruples, individuals with personality disorder Narcissists have a moral conscience, whereas psychopaths have no equal, Andrew pretends to have some moral restraint.
A person with narcissistic personality disorder would not be as cold and calculating as Andrew is throughout the game, he himself proved to be quite cold, when he disregarded Nina's whereabouts, instead of handing it over, he preferred to hide it so as not to getting stuck, someone with NPD wouldn't be that cold, that's the behavior of a primary psychopath!
Andrew is worse than Ashley, because he is still doing evil and sees himself as a saint, Ashley is already honest about who she is!
@@jasonserial4535 There are 4 "pillars" when it comes to narcissists. Grandiosity (as you described), lack of empathy (check), sense of entitlement (check), and an overall seeking of admiration/validation from other people (which he gets from Ashley and other women tbh). Even as they are about to sacrifice their parents he still cares enough to deflect what they think of him, a psychopath wouldn't (like Ashley doesn't shes quick to turn the knife). He's constantly worried about his perception even through his sardonic commentary. He chokes when they're dining on their neighbor (Ashley doesn't). He blushes and panics when they get a certain vision of the future. (Ashley doesn't).
The point is the second Leyley pressured him into luring Nina into playing hide and seek it was over. Now that he had one body on his conscience whats another? He's not a victim but the point remains at one point he did have a conscience and it still continues to bleed through from time to time.
Ashley doesn't.
I think Andrew is definitely more lustful (and wrathful probably, since he killed the 302 girl) than Ashley, but Andrew is better at hiding this fact.
Oops, are you here? I really liked your video about the game but I completely agree with you, Andrew is much worse than Ashley, because he tries to appear to care about other people, his girlfriend and his parents but deep down, he doesn't care of a high-functioning psychopath who only has an obsessive love for Ashley!
His mask (dissimulation) of normality is so good that he, to this day, deceives most people into thinking he is a normal and heroic person!
Andrew-lust and pride- he lusts for Ashley and because for a while didn't want to admit it
Ashley-Envy, gluttony and Wrath- constantly jealous Andrew has relationships with other people apart from her and her sending death threats and was the one who was still into eating people despite it not being needed
Mrs Graves-Greed-sold kids for money
Mr Graves-sloth-is a pushover and has no spine
@@DreadOath I agree with you!
Notably, as Ashley pointed out, he also killed the 302 woman on her bed, and lied about it. He did something unspeakable to her, and silenced her afterwards. Too full of himself to be caught indulging.
I Disagree with Andrew being more lustful unless if we are talking about burial,Decay andrew no longer has those feelings towards Ashley since he resents her but this is based of only a few cutscenes since we have barley seen Anything when it comes to Decay Andrew gotta wait for ep 3 Decay to actually confirm
I respectfully disagree with your assignment of lust to Ashley.
First of all, you claim that Ashley was *pissed* that Andrew chose a two bedroom motel room, but I don't think she was angry at all. She was making an observation: "Leave it to Andrew to get a room with two beds... and then get night terrors and ask me to comfort him." She's observing that the situation is kind of ironic, perhaps even humorous.
After the "special" premonition that can be seen in the burial route, we can see that Ashley reacts awkwardly, though not as badly as Andrew does. She can tease Andrew about the vision and get under his skin, which is keeping with her character throughout the game. However, later at the bridge, Ashley thinks about that vision and sees it as "one way to keep him around." She hasn't had those kind of thoughts toward Andrew before, but she is willing to pursue it in order to keep her Andy.
I believe that lust should instead go to Andrew, who has at least been implied to be more "active" before the events of the game. In the flashback with his ex, we can see him request that she tie her hair up, much like Ashley. If Andrew observes his bed at the motel, the narrator will sarcastically remark about the authenticity of Andrew's nightmares, the reason Ashley has to comfort him at night. We see Andrew stick his fingers through Ashley's belt loop.
You could argue that Lust applies to both Ashley and Andrew, but I would argue it most certainly apples to Andrew more than Ashley.
After your comment, you changed my mind, it should apply to the both of them.
Andrew merely because he is indeed “active” and Ashley for the things we’ve seen in the premonitions.
Goated comment, thank you TF2 Engineer.
I disagree about Ashley, while she isn't as actively desiring it like Andrew is however I highly doubt she wouldn't take it if given the chance. When we hear the voicemails she leaves Julia she points out at least a couple times how she is getting Andrews dick while Ashley isn't, along with all the other tiles we see her accusing him with getting with sometime.
I don't think she should get the sin of lust, Andrew definitely earns that but Ashley isn't innocent in wanting something from him either
Absolute W of a comment tbh
I only read the first paragraph and i already agreed with you
You could also argue that their mom and dad also have a place here since the entire reason they wanted their kids to live in a different house was so they could do their "activities" more easily
I feel like their parents not caring for them took part om their actions as they got older fr
the fact that he showed ei being stressed because of her "Children" at 0:30 is just 😭🙏
thats ei
@@wisteria7052she looks the same as Raiden it’s fine
Not the mom in the “lust” one💀💀💀
Out of whole family only father was kinda normal
Kinda
*``Kinda``*
Just a little
2 kids at 15 and 17 though😂
@@obukohwoogheneakpobo3011 well both of them were underage
So no preds ig
Nina and Julia situation is more complicated because of new progress reports.Andy asked Nina and Julia to become friends with Ashley,they become(Not really(They never wanted to celebrate her birthday,and in Questionable Burial route one of the art work literally states that they were fake friends,Julia and Nina probably tried to be friends with Ashley to get closer to Andrew)).
I can tell ashley sold her soul
False: Demons don't seem to like tar souls.
@@michaelweiske702lmao
Why the hell is the snail following me, whole different game but gaijin isn’t leaving me alone
to the flying dutchman for 62 cents 💯💯
damn I would too 🗣️⁉️
At most wrath, gluttony, and envy belong to Ashley. Pride and Lust go to Andrew, and Greed goes to Renee.
How the fuck does andrew represents Lust?
@@insert_very_cool_name simping for gis sis ig?
@@insert_very_cool_namesis*
@@insert_very_cool_name Because he is possessive and obsessive about his own little sister but he wears a mask to appear normal!
The mask he wears is like he was a normal, neurotypical brother who empathizes with other people and hates incest but behind his mask (disguise) he is sick in love with Ashley!
@@insert_very_cool_name Here are some top of the mind examples:
He plays with Ashley's hair while she sleeps.
He is implied to lie about having night terrors in order to have Ashley physically comfort him while he sleeps.
He asks his girlfriend to tie up her hair, which is something that Ashley does, hinting that he wants his girlfriend to be a surrogate for his Ashley.
He sticks his fingers in Ashley's belt loop.
After Ashley and Andrew share a moment on the couch and their mother walks in, Andrew chooses to place his pillow over his crotch.
When his mother accuses him of doing it with Ashley, he comes off as more surprised/caught than disgusted.
Honestly for Wrath, it should be Andrew. He killed multiple with no remorse for his action (the guard, who he wishes he had killed slower and the lady from Room 302) and in Decay route has absolutely no problems with killing Ashley (although tbf, she also kills him with her gun if it has bullets left).
He do have regret for the girl in the box but yes he is a bit psyco so if you deserve it he will have no regret they locked them and didn’t feed them for a while so understable
This is sister complex at its highest
People look at Ashley and Ms Graves and say “I can fix them” but nah, they can mess me up
I say I'm worse than one and would gladly help bring her into her own
Not even jawbreaker juice can fix em 😔
Nah but fr tho... I'd totally fix both of them at the same time, no cap. Why? Because trust me... I'm the rizzler without the rizz. Because i don't need rizz, i have charisma.
Another one of the army, I see your profile picture
Real
3:22 thats a crazy line from the dad
Yeah when was that even? 😭
@@JellySandwichesAllNight at the time of robbing their parents for money (and as a sacrifice for the demon) at chapter 2, ashley and andrew went to their parents house suspecting their parents werent home. at 10 in the morning (i think thats the time) they wanted to do the ritual now to recharge their device that makes them see the future, so they did. they needed to tie them up for no escape, andrew went to their parents bedroom and stupidly made enough noise to wake dad up. dad clueless said what was he doing, andrew for some dumbass reason said "i want to fuck myself" dad was i think drunk and let it happen after andrew came back, dad was seen going down the stairs to the basement. andrew was in a neck slitting position like that image. and the rest is where that came from..
@@JellySandwichesAllNightsorry for the essay like explanation.
1:43 bro got slight aggressive
Bro is honest
I mean it's fax
I love how you just cut all the sus parts off it's funny😭😭
Kinda amusing that Ashley took most of the sins. It's actually kinda debatable if she doesn't take greed as well in a way.
She's definitely greedy for Andrew
@@isdrakon9802aint that lust?
@@Curs___d27 a little bit, but it's also his overall attention she wants.
Shoot, that thumbnail got me
The thumb 💀
Thumbnail go kinda crazy tho
Did the mother do that?
@@uknownalternateNo
@@uknownalternate Sadly Nope. 😕
@@GamesBr4Evertf u mean sadly
Sins also go to the coffin and beds
I'm waiting for the chapters-
As said by Dogma,
“PRIDE
GREED
WRATH
ENVY
LUST
GLUTTONY
AND SLOTH.”
The fact that Andy would’ve had a somewhat normal life if it weren’t for Ashley 💀
Everyone : *focusing on Andy and leyley
Me : "Raiden ei"
0:32 I love the Raiden Shogun reference lol
1:42 💀 “they were fuc-“
3:53 “aren’t you supposed to be m*******” tf💀💀🙏🙏
One of these days I want to do a drunk playthrough of this game
Let me know how it went if u do
Her mother had a dark soul...
But as the demon said Ashley's is much darker...
(Andrew and his father literally couldn't do athing against them like what?)
I really hope these siblings change or at least get separated from each other (I know it's bot likely to happen but it's just my thoughts)
"Your honor Stfu you wasn't even there"
TCOAAL if the dad actually grew a god damn spine:
2:37 bro guessed me☠️☠️
Is it weird that the dad is the nicest in the family
The sins go to whoever thought that shit was a good idea
The thumbnail looks like Andrew rizzing up both his sister and his mom to sleep with him.
And the real villian here is mostly Ashley herself. ( Like literally )
No,the real villain is the mother.
Mrs. Graves got taught by Toji Fushiguro himself
"It is understandable that Mrs. Graves didn't love her children" excuse me
Wasn't it confirmed by Nemlei *and* the game that Ashley doesn't lust for Andrew, but she will do it if it means that Andrew wilk stay with her? It's not like she's jealous that Julia can "do it" with her Andy because she wants to, it's because she knows it's a way of affection that at that point she believed Andrew wouldn't (or rather couldn't) do it with her. She was mad at the ability that Julia had to get closer with Andrew that she didn't have. It's very unclear if she wants a romantic relationship with Andrew but we know that she doesn't lust for him like that. That's all him.
Andrew lusts for Ashley, as every "intimate" interaction was brought on by him. (And before anyone says the *chomp* scene, that was just Ashley being playful, even if it did get Andrew aroused, it probably wasn't even her intention)
someone already commented about this and changed OPs mind !!! dw
No second floor. Bro that's sad
As you Caribbean grandparents say... “Maddness and Badness, Best Combination”
Not the Raiden Shogun or Ei saying “who?”😭😭😂😂
I’m going to black flash the next person I see. 1:43
It’s crazy how some of the most controversial indie games how to do with love and stuff. *COUGH* FANDOMS *COUGH*
Every time my friend catches me playing this game, she always says: “I can fix Ashley”
"Every sin in The Coffin of Andy and Leyley."
Proceeds to show Ashley in literally every frame.
0:51
BRO HAD NO CHILL ROASTING ASHLEY LIKE THAT 😭
interesting vid, but in my opinion, in 1:17 , Andrew would be a better fit there, not Ashley
The outro made me giggle.
1:43 the way it cut off here 😂
"In one of the dreams they both shared the were fu-" i laugth when you said that
1:53 Noo, she had a crush on him, andrew even said "ewww" since he was like 8 or so, and thats was enough, but andrew has no other connections besides luring her to death. Thats how i see it
Thanks for the video. 💖 but I need more.
There is another one coming, stay patient 😤
@@YourFavoriteNPC I CAN'T I CANNOT WAIT PWEDE I'M JUST A (NOT) MENTALLY STABLE PERSON THAT WHO IS ASHLEY FAN🇦🇿
my honor, we- are what we eat, whick means my clients- are innocent man.
All of this, and then there's still that 1 person who says "Would."
Would.
I thought Lust would only be for Andrew
I think Andrew is actually the one who is "lustful."
Sure, he actively denies it, yet he keeps going into his sister's bed at night and even asks his girlfriend (who looks a lot like Ashley from the start) to put her hair up.
Ashley, on the other hand, treats the whole thing very... calculatively.
Sure, she is willing to have sex with him, but she does admit in one of the routes she doesn’t actually feel either way about it. It's just another way to manipulate her brother into staying with her.
You could argue that is a form of "lust" for her brother, just not actually sexual, but Andrew is definitely the one who is actually down bad.
I think many are very unfair to Andrew. He is a victim of 99% of what happens in the game.
1) Kill the girl: When you are 8-9 years old you are not aware of everything that can happen, including leaving someone locked up to dead. Andy locked the girl up because her sister threw a huge tantrum at him and made him feel guilty. As children, we are very manipulative and if we add that to the fact that Andy thought the girl was not going to die. It sounds quite reasonable that Andrew would leave the girl locked up for being manipulated by his sister.
2) Hide the girl's body: It is normal to want to hide something that you are going to be blamed for, especially if it is not primarily your fault and you think you will go to jail. Of course, the best thing is that he would have turned himself in and hope that the penal system would put him in the best of cases with psychologists in an orphanage or in the worst of cases in a correctional facility. But Andrew being a little boy, it's normal that he didn't make the best choice.
3) All the people he killed with his sister in the hotel: In a survival situation, it is kill or be killed, when your life is in danger you cannot afford to be merciful, especially if other people want to kill you or hinder you . Is survival.
4) Steal and kill his parents along with his sister: In this case we are in a super specific situation. His parents sold him to die and also the justice system would persecute them for the hotel. It is normal for them to resort to stealing from their parents to survive. Regarding killing their parents, it was the safest thing, since they could contact the company to have them killed and they could also obtain power to predict a future murderer.
5) Eating human flesh in the hotel: They were starving and the neighbor was already dead, not that there was much moral conflict.
6) Eating his (dead) parents: Here we are in a case similar to that of the girl, Ashley is unstable and Andrew has to maintain control about her to get out alive, no matter how much he doesn't want to, it is better for him to listen to his sister, who is the one who is truly interested in human flesh.
To summarize, Andrew has been in a horrible situation always: Irresponsible parents (mainly the mother) turning into murderers, a sister with psychopathy who manipulates him, the girl's accident, the sister who takes advantage of the trauma to manipulate him even more, that years later your parents sell you to die and your sister who is still the same as always. One in a situation like Andrew's would probably do the same.
So friend, kit9 studio sent a video mocking those who think Andrew is the victim and the good guy in the story, as well as unmasking Andrew (because he is Two-Face all the time), in pretending to be someone neurotypical (he is nothing more than a lying psychopath who hides behind a mask):
Narrator saying: "Forget all that, she's sooooo family"
Narrator saying: "Do you care about your family?"
Narrator speaking: "You really don't care"
Narrator speaking: "Not other than trying to look normal anyway"
Trying to appear normal? This proves that Andrew is a secretive person who pretends to feel empathy for other people, but in fact chapter two denies this:
Andrew reacting to his bed when Ashley is waiting for the killer: "You really have as many nightmares as you claim"
The narrator's sarcasm proves that Andrew lies about having nightmares but this is not the first time he lied, he deceived Ashley about why he eliminated Lady 302 who was an innocent person:
Andrew reacting to Lady 302's whereabouts: "You eliminated her to leave no witnesses, and also because Ashley wanted her dead anyway"
Andrew then eliminated a girl for Ashley? Are you sure Andrew is nothing more than a psychopath who lies like hell??!
This isn't the first time Andrew has eliminated someone for Ashley, Guard Malcolm has something interesting in his speech:
Andrew reacting to Malcolm's whereabouts: "You eliminated him to protect Ashley, no regrets but in fact you regret something, not making him suffer before eliminating him, because he was flirting with Ashley"
What is this pathological jealousy between Andrew and Ashley? He wasn't the manipulated one, I'm believing he distorts the truth.
Andrew reacting to Dave's whereabouts: "You eliminated him because he would be a danger later, and also because he would be a witness"
What a calculating killer Andrew is, he lies to his little sister and the players so well, that there are people who don't see the villain behind the mask.
He lies to his parents to pretend to be considerate towards him, even his mother, who is a psychopath like him, fell for Andrew's lies and dissimulation, thinking he was doing it out of manipulation of Ashley but in reality, he never had any empathy by his parents, he just pretended to have it.
Andrew knew about Ashley's threats towards Júlia, Ashley's symbolism in the window of Andrew's dream proves this, he was aware of Ashley's evil actions towards Júlia (she practiced self-mutilation, which is why she wears cold clothes), but He didn't give a damn, knowing all this, he told Júlia at the end of the relationship that he had nothing to be responsible for.
Andrew is extremely secretive, that's what he is!
Andrew and Ashley are victims of abusive parents but Ashley never manipulated Andrew, he was always Two-Face and a liar the whole game!
@@jasonserial4535 Look, if there are pieces of story that appear outside of the game or story that appears in chapter 3 and 4, it's still a bit unfair to try to figure out a character. I'm basing it on what appears in chapters 1 and 2. If the company or creator behind the game drops parts of the story outside of the game or there are parts of the story that will appear in chapters 3 and 4, that's no longer my responsability. I only judge the character based on what the game has shown me.
@@UwUMaestro The problem is that my answer is talking about chapter two in Andrew's dream, where it clearly shows that he is disingenuous and a liar all the time, the very decay ending that Kit9 studio sent to that video about this ending, proves that Andrew is disguised (and will probably change the final decay).
That video that kit9 studio sent would be a way to see who Andrew really is, a hypocrite who hides behind a mask and not at all a genuine victim!
Imagine he made a video on the 7 heavenly virtues in the Coffin of Andy and Leyley
That would be a tough one
Tbh most of the heavenly virtues would be Julia
@@DreadOath How-.. she literally only appears in 2 scene-..
The video would end in a second
@@Chabelli22 I mean she's the only sane person in Tcoaal
Andrew is the one who has lust feelings for his sister while ashley doesnt havent yall seen some of the dialogues like where andrew wanted to hug her until she shuts up or how he lies about having nightmares just to sleep with ashley while ashley just wants his attention thats all
Mom's name is Renae if anyone cares
Astaghfirullah they all commited shirk 😭😭😭
Estagfrullah. They all need to recite Al-Fatiha bro 😭
Zina, Shirk, whats next? Riba?! 😭😭😭
@@YourFavoriteNPC They spied on the cultist and then ate him 😭😭 bro got eaten TWICE from verse 49:12‼️‼️‼️
0:57 holy f#ck why is that so illegaly reletable? lmao
This game would have been so different if the parents just acknowledge the kids have both psychotic and sociopathic tendencies, even if they couldn't take them to get help they could have at least talked to them. The parents were pretty much the issues got worse too sonce they pretty much led the tow to their codependency by making him take care of her son yong
Yea but this also happens in real life. Lots of parents don't notice or avoid weird behaviour in kids. For example when I was a kid I liked to stab myself with rose's thorns. My mom knew. You know what she did?
Nothing.
"the coffer of andy and leyler"
everyone is saying lust should be andrew, but idk, i think it might be me when i see mrs graves (respectfully).
One of the sins should be forgetting to name them Habsburg
I honestly thought Andy would get some more overlapping attention in the pride and lust region... he has some more of that sometimes then ashley
Korekiyo would keep Ashley away from his own sister. Just saying.
If they were both put in a room, Mr Double-Kill would be the one dead
THE THUMBNAIL GOT ME-
2:00 HOW MANY VOICE MAILS???
The whole video is basically just ashley lmao
Ah yes, the coffer of any and later
man... the TNO universe looks like heaven rn
1:00 her ambition is trying to get along with Andrew and love her more
am i the only one that has thought about a theory where, if you lifted the hair that is between andrew's eyes, a third, demonic, eye would uncover? Yes? well...shit
Now try to do every virtue in The Coffin of Andy and Leyley (Impossible)
Andrew shared his stolen money with Ashley
And thats pretty much it 💀
@@YourFavoriteNPC It was the opposite, wasn't, it was Ashley
@@YourFavoriteNPCthe cultists maybe
Still don't see the problem with them eating people, to those thinking oh it's against the law those are just suggestions just like those towards war from Geneva suggestions.
Technically, the sin of Greed can be classified as any form of overindulgence, not just food.
0:56 Why i felt that SO personal?[except for the incest]
The cover…💀
The thing people don't understand about Tcoaal is that its not a normal horror game, its a psychological horror game. Its not supposed to be scary but its supposed to make you feel weird, supposed to make you want to stop playing, not scare you.
It's always Andrew Graves, Ashley Graves, Mrs. Graves, or Mr. Graves, but what about... Phillip Graves, AKA Shadow-1
When i saw the thumbail i had a heart attack for a moment-
Is it actually canon
I need to know
@@XRaiden1 no, i guess 😭😭
@@XRaiden1nope
the mere fact that it exists is a sin
1:00 She is a 20 year old? I thought they were like 15-16 lol.
Everything about this game is vile
I remember commenting the exact same thing on redshell's vid
Also badass video
1:43 SWEET HOME ALABAMA
“They were FU-“
Wait... did the mom join in?? 💀💀💀
nice.
1:28 INSEC-I mean..
they weren't the best kids because she was the worst mom.
the fact that its incest is so W, NO WAIT I MEANT L
1:42 i think you went to far on the dream part😭🙏💀🖐️
I feel bad because Ashley was born
Andrews life would’ve been so better
Ashley is Sin incarnate 😂
the coffer of andy and layler
Nah man i can't stop simping for Mrs Graves 😩