I don’t understand how Al doesn’t have more subscribers, and more views. He is the only content creator on TH-cam to my knowledge that goes all over America actually interviewing these individuals, their associates, and their families face to face, and does so in high quality. Keep doing your thing Al. You got a loyal subscriber, and viewer of all your content here. I truly respect what you do.
Yeah man. That's right. And what I noticed is. If someone makes a duzen videos. And don't show there face. Then when you get used to it. It becomes better and better. And then when you get to see the dude for the first time. Mostly. People say that they didn't think that they looked like that. Totally different face then you imagined...
Thanks Mr. Profit, im a Detroit native, Joy Road and Evergreen. Ive been wanting to hear more about Pony Down for a long time now. You've mentioned them a few times in your other documentaries but only briefly. Been a huge fan of your work for many years now keep up the good work.
I'm from Fenkell between Liverniois and Linwood when Pony Down came through from Fenkell and Meyers around 82 83 me and my crew started hanging with them heavy I'm still friends with some of them now so much to say but not here ONE LOVE "PONY DOWN"
I am the oldest son of one of the pony down members I didn’t know u was putting this out so fast but definitely it’s much more to the story idk how u got my uncle to speak 💯
I saw great city fall. It’s not worth it. Build something that lasts, add something to what the family has built, a continuity of generations. That is our strength that they attack with drugs and other abuses.
Yo I remember pony down one of my boys I grew up with was affiliated with pony down and his older brother . Some of his people's stayed off Freeland and 7mile , he would always come back to our block from visiting over there talking about " pony down! Pony down! We would be like what the hell is talking about cause We were lil fellas like 10 , 11 years old and he was 3 or 4 years older than us but wow this piece brings back some memories
Ive met a few of some knowledable folks from the neighborhood who had alot of intersting things to say about Pony Down. I was born in 82' so I wasnt active yet to say the least lol. Legendary stories tho..... Im sure theres millions-
Its always the ones that neva lived this life and watch others that glorify this.I ont care how much money I made or they made....look at us in the end...if we make it alive...all we have is the memories..s/o to big frank mathews and Art Derrick
I finally made it to the two cities that I always wanted to visit last April, and that was Chicago and Detroit. I liked both cities, and would love to visit them again. But I noticed that the area by Motown or "Hittsville" is going through gentrification just like Harlem. And I was surprised at how nice and clean and spotless downtown Chicago was, and you can do some good clothes shopping in downtown Chicago. I never seen a four floor Nike store. I don't even know if there is one in NYC??? I finally had an authentic Chicago deep dish pizza, and I just have to tell my people in New York that NY has nothing to worry about when it comes to whose pizza is the best!!! I was still impressed with Chi-town and the "D". The soul food restaurant we went to in Detroit was the f-ing bomb!!! I wasn't throwing nothing out not a crumb or a chicken bone, what I didn't finish there was brought home for later consumption, word up.
Love my Chi-Pie, but that’s something you eat once in a while or when someone comes from out of town and they haven’t had it. People always comparing the two (chi/nyc) that’s like comparing apples and horses. Deep dish, Chi is king, thin/regular crust is NYC all day baby. Agree with getting a beef sandwich next time or polish sausage next time your here.
@@hazeblak1417 I guess you didn't go to the right spot, but you are from Beantown, so you won't like nothing from New York!!! Y'all still mad about Babe Ruth, fam.
I grew up during that time & my dad bought me a Max Julian coat & my mother found out that kids were getting killed over those coats & she wouldn't let me wear it with the fur hood. The cost wasn't Shit without the fur hood. I also remember Y.B.I. wearing nothing but patent leather Top Tens & if u were caught wearing them & you wasn't Y.B.I. that was yo Azz ! ! ! That's where the term "Check it in" comes from. In middle school I've seen a lot of kids walk home barefooted for getting their Kangaroo Boots checked it. I'm old enough to remember Jingle Boots & double breasted shirts, they were the Shit back then. From my perspective at the time Y.B.I. was bigger or more known than Pony Down & I was raised on the Westside, Evergreen & Fenkell area. Just my opinion, but you can't forget about The Best Friends.
Wow I grew up in Southwest Detroit in the 80’s my older bro had the patent leather top 10 adidas. My boy in middle school had the adidas winter jacket and his shoes looking all fresh. Dudes walked up to him took his shit and he walked home no jacket and no shoes!😂😂😂😂
Al you are the man! That was an amazing feat. I never imagined organized blocks to that extent before crack cocaine. There's mad material about Y.B.I but what's the Pony Down story? Great vid!
I remember as a little kid O would hear Pony Down being yelled but I had no clue of what the hell they were talking about.. My older cousin was a teenager then and she would tell me things later on about them. I can remember as a kid that it was a treat to go over relatives houses in those areas bk in the early 80s. Oak Park,Evergreen and 6-8 mile and Wyoming 7-8 mile areas. Those were some great homes.
I was wondering when you were going to have something on Pony Down Crew. I was a Pony Down Crew member from 7mile/Prevost Crew. Those were the Days. Now that the Bosses are talking about it? I'd love to share some information about how things were though I was just a street soldier and young child then. I felt that we were #1 no doubt. Good interview
What's good guy. I watch and listen to people making money off of our stories. So you cash in too. Be careful tho. I'm writing a book right now. I was on the other side 💯 yrs. But I know and f wit a lot of Ponys. You say that you lived on Prevost? That's Fido's street. I know everybody from over there. Do ya thang bruh... They're paying to hear what we did...
It’s funny how the Pony Down Brothers and Best friend brother both grew up middle class and 2 parent households. Make you think what made them go that route
Here in Europe the Secret Service like US CIA o choose someone to work they will show them how to smugle it in US a year ago in Philadelphia coast guard got a 17 ton cocaine bust on a ship from Montenegro a country of 620,000 citizens with out the CIA no one works weight ,these man all were chosen by CIA like the Davis brothers I lived in Detroit till 96 no one herd of them but Masarati Rick White boy Rick YBI Pony Down yes and many more pizza connection was small what the Davis brothers had and all CIA sponcerd
@@alprofit you haven't done nothing on mcgurk,you haven't ran into him. What about the YBI movie, where is the link for that fuqua bey.thanks for allowing me to to speak to you bro.
@@alprofit you need to interview me, I could tell you about the rollin Detroit 80.pony down wasn't no comparison to them guys, and anybody that was in the street that, YBI was a rolls Royce..pony down was a pinto.frfr.
you have to watch the documentary "rollin'' . a lot of the same footage and interviews are laid out in a more clear way in that doc. Once you see that you'll recognize people and fit the story together a bit better.
You have good content but then a lot of times you start seeming like the police or square say comments like that last minute referencing to Doc leading him down the wrong past we all men that makes our own decisions and that man might come out of prison and still do something great with his life don’t do that especially after you interviewed doc that was lightweight disrespectful
Al Profit keep wearing it. well.....that counts me out. I do have some travel plans but they don't include Milan, Italy. Thank you for your reply. You are doing a fantastic job!!! Keep doing what you love. Keep up the good work. I think you will be very well rewarded for your effort. From the 214.
Al I'm telling you. Contact me man so I can get you a real interview with my cousin Twin. Man read BJ book he tell you that if it wasn't for Don he wouldn't be who he was. Shit ask the lawyer Steve about Don and Ron. The twins. He represented their crew on every case. If you want to ask some real questions about the beefs back then, who really had the money and was putting people on. You need to get this interview. I promise you that you will be amazed from this interview. Get at me. We can tell you how the beef between Masaratti Rick and Big Ed really started
ALL I KNOW IS I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS IS BEING TALKED ABOUT , I ALWAYS MY MOTHER SAYING IF ANYONE ASK YOU DON'T ANY PONY DOWN LOL. TO ME THEY WERE JUST THE COUSIN AT MY GRANDMA HOUSE ON HOLIDAYS 🙃
A million a week my ass. Those figures are highly exadurated I believe, because people like to make themselves look bigger than they really are. A mill a week, I doubt it.
You had to be there nephew. Ima make this easy to understand... You think a M a week is a lot. Because you come up in another Era. 1 brick cost $200 grand. You do the math. There were 100 or of us kids running around making a g or more a week. What you think the luitenents made? The Captains and the bosses? Exaggerated?? Yeah, it's Exaggerated... figure too low. The Davis Brothers was one connect. We had multiple connects. But yall can get it from our books 📚 $19.99 plus s & h ✌🏽
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I don’t understand how Al doesn’t have more subscribers, and more views. He is the only content creator on TH-cam to my knowledge that goes all over America actually interviewing these individuals, their associates, and their families face to face, and does so in high quality. Keep doing your thing Al. You got a loyal subscriber, and viewer of all your content here. I truly respect what you do.
Too real. They like Rick Ross and TEKASHI🙈🙊🙉
People don't care about stuff that's actually relevant.
Good material you put together. Savannah ga.
Its cuz the ppl use to watered down bullshit & they can't handle that puro montega AL drops...
Street tv for blood and crip stuff
Al has the perfect voice inflection and tone suited for these stories
Yeah man. That's right. And what I noticed is. If someone makes a duzen videos. And don't show there face. Then when you get used to it. It becomes better and better. And then when you get to see the dude for the first time. Mostly. People say that they didn't think that they looked like that. Totally different face then you imagined...
@@Gabriel._HI totally agree!
Detroit Accent? Sounds like a Wisconsin one.
I remember these days.... I'm glad my Pops was my idol. My Pops was a square but was about that gun play all day. #PRock
That's the vibes💪
Same here . I can’t knock no one and their route
You're proof a boy needs a good father!
@@r1ckySV just wondering what state you in?
Plymouth/prock
Al you blow us away with everyone of these documentaries. Keep it up. Im honored to have such a talented person come from our city
Thank you very much
Thanks Mr. Profit, im a Detroit native, Joy Road and Evergreen. Ive been wanting to hear more about Pony Down for a long time now. You've mentioned them a few times in your other documentaries but only briefly. Been a huge fan of your work for many years now keep up the good work.
Thank you
Ybi clones
Joy Rd. & Evergreen is where my family is from as well...
I'm from Fenkell between Liverniois and Linwood when Pony Down came through from Fenkell and Meyers around 82 83 me and my crew started hanging with them heavy I'm still friends with some of them now so much to say but not here ONE LOVE "PONY DOWN"
I am the oldest son of one of the pony down members I didn’t know u was putting this out so fast but definitely it’s much more to the story idk how u got my uncle to speak 💯
It's only 12 minutes. The story is almost endless so Im dealing with it pieces
I saw great city fall. It’s not worth it. Build something that lasts, add something to what the family has built, a continuity of generations.
That is our strength that they attack with drugs and other abuses.
@@alprofit
I can't believe the D have so many hustlers. Damn no other city breed more hustlers
@@AtypicalM dog it's much more than what you think, and it's still going on to this day hard as ever.😱😱😱
Who son are you?
this was my era in the D..Pops got us up outta there soon after.. #Lyndon
Yo I remember pony down one of my boys I grew up with was affiliated with pony down and his older brother . Some of his people's stayed off Freeland and 7mile , he would always come back to our block from visiting over there talking about " pony down! Pony down! We would be like what the hell is talking about cause We were lil fellas like 10 , 11 years old and he was 3 or 4 years older than us but wow this piece brings back some memories
Damn, I haven't seen those sneakers in years!!! I remember hearing about "Pony Down" back in the day from my cousin who was from Ohio.
That’s my Neighborhood who remembers Golden Bird right their between Petosky and ostego mackinaw joy rd Clarendon
Love how you interview street people bout street business 💯
PONY DOWN TO 7 MILE DOGS
Ive met a few of some knowledable folks from the neighborhood who had alot of intersting things to say about Pony Down. I was born in 82' so I wasnt active yet to say the least lol. Legendary stories tho..... Im sure theres millions-
Its always the ones that neva lived this life and watch others that glorify this.I ont care how much money I made or they made....look at us in the end...if we make it alive...all we have is the memories..s/o to big frank mathews and Art Derrick
Taking it back to 6th grade. Word . Our boy AL everybodies pal!
I finally made it to the two cities that I always wanted to visit last April, and that was Chicago and Detroit. I liked both cities, and would love to visit them again. But I noticed that the area by Motown or "Hittsville" is going through gentrification just like Harlem. And I was surprised at how nice and clean and spotless downtown Chicago was, and you can do some good clothes shopping in downtown Chicago. I never seen a four floor Nike store. I don't even know if there is one in NYC???
I finally had an authentic Chicago deep dish pizza, and I just have to tell my people in New York that NY has nothing to worry about when it comes to whose pizza is the best!!! I was still impressed with Chi-town and the "D". The soul food restaurant we went to in Detroit was the f-ing bomb!!! I wasn't throwing nothing out not a crumb or a chicken bone, what I didn't finish there was brought home for later consumption, word up.
Chitown's DD pizza is overrated. NYC pizza is KING! you should have eaten a Italian beef sandwich while visiting the Chi or even an all beef Hot dog.
Love my Chi-Pie, but that’s something you eat once in a while or when someone comes from out of town and they haven’t had it. People always comparing the two (chi/nyc) that’s like comparing apples and horses. Deep dish, Chi is king, thin/regular crust is NYC all day baby. Agree with getting a beef sandwich next time or polish sausage next time your here.
I'm from Boston and that Chicago deep dish was the bomb. I had pizza in New York and it wasn't bangin
@@hazeblak1417
I guess you didn't go to the right spot, but you are from Beantown, so you won't like nothing from New York!!!
Y'all still mad about Babe Ruth, fam.
Lol, Peace Fam we got love for NY but where the bomb pizza at
I enjoy your stories. Great work.
👌Wow cant believe it! Al you a bad boy you got folks to talk.
I always wondered why “Pony Down” was spray painted on the side of our house in 1983 west side 7 mile... I was 6 & still remember
Over near ludington and Henry Ford Haha check em in. Burt rd was hell back then. Oh yeah burt elementary, bright Moore
dude you fr
@@thetvbaby83 “Check em in” Daaaaam that bring back memories! Bright Moore standup!! Fenkell/ Evergreen.
I grew up in southwest Detroit and pony down was spray painted everywhere. We would say pony down.
Thanks for another excellent video!
Rip B
Been waiting so long for this that i forgot most of the first 3 parts. Wtf
I grew up during that time & my dad bought me a Max Julian coat & my mother found out that kids were getting killed over those coats & she wouldn't let me wear it with the fur hood. The cost wasn't Shit without the fur hood. I also remember Y.B.I. wearing nothing but patent leather Top Tens & if u were caught wearing them & you wasn't Y.B.I. that was yo Azz ! ! ! That's where the term "Check it in" comes from. In middle school I've seen a lot of kids walk home barefooted for getting their Kangaroo Boots checked it. I'm old enough to remember Jingle Boots & double breasted shirts, they were the Shit back then. From my perspective at the time Y.B.I. was bigger or more known than Pony Down & I was raised on the Westside, Evergreen & Fenkell area. Just my opinion, but you can't forget about The Best Friends.
Do remember some shoes from early 80's Detroit called "Roots"?
Wow I grew up in Southwest Detroit in the 80’s my older bro had the patent leather top 10 adidas. My boy in middle school had the adidas winter jacket and his shoes looking all fresh. Dudes walked up to him took his shit and he walked home no jacket and no shoes!😂😂😂😂
@@IAmJaiRay still around
Keep this good shit coming!
Hard! RIP Skinney
BO FLI 7000 20/20 that was my nigga taught me a lot skirelli
R.i.p W.W 💯
Wonderful Wayne 💯
Them kids had that shit going ON for real!
Strange days
Them boyz was getting to the bag !!!
Damn !!! 15 years old buying benz and shit. Damn!!@
What's the name of the song that's played at the beginning of the video?
Dexter Boyz 100 yrs
Al you are the man! That was an amazing feat. I never imagined organized blocks to that extent before crack cocaine. There's mad material about Y.B.I but what's the Pony Down story? Great vid!
This is part 1 on Pony Down
Their influence hit Ann Arbor hard...when you could go to Briarwood and cop the sneakers with the stickers to put on em
11 year old heroin dealers?
What a brave , positive vibrant culture. Lucky America!
No one brings it like Al.. Period
Elmore Leonard made a character in "Tishomingo Blues" a former Pony Down member.
Love it
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What is the song used in the sample for the title scene? Can someone please help a sista out?
Thats 8 mile and Murray Hill
I wish Al would let them TALK!!!
RED IS RED , BROWN IS BROWN 7 MILE PONY DOWN!!!!!
It was getting good at the end Man U gotta do longer clips al dog
I remember as a little kid O would hear Pony Down being yelled but I had no clue of what the hell they were talking about.. My older cousin was a teenager then and she would tell me things later on about them. I can remember as a kid that it was a treat to go over relatives houses in those areas bk in the early 80s. Oak Park,Evergreen and 6-8 mile and Wyoming 7-8 mile areas. Those were some great homes.
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Pee wee... James.. Ugean...Butrums Childhood friends.. Homer joy..road quincy.. 10th precinct 🔥
I was wondering when you were going to have something on Pony Down Crew. I was a Pony Down Crew member from 7mile/Prevost Crew. Those were the Days. Now that the Bosses are talking about it? I'd love to share some information about how things were though I was just a street soldier and young child then. I felt that we were #1 no doubt. Good interview
What's good guy. I watch and listen to people making money off of our stories. So you cash in too. Be careful tho. I'm writing a book right now. I was on the other side 💯 yrs. But I know and f wit a lot of Ponys. You say that you lived on Prevost? That's Fido's street. I know everybody from over there. Do ya thang bruh... They're paying to hear what we did...
It’s funny how the Pony Down Brothers and Best friend brother both grew up middle class and 2 parent households. Make you think what made them go that route
The love of money
Money fame power
Just because you grew up middle-class or came from a two-parent household don't mean you can't get caught up
It's not were you live its how you live.
Here in Europe the Secret Service like US CIA o choose someone to work they will show them how to smugle it in US a year ago in Philadelphia coast guard got a 17 ton cocaine bust on a ship from Montenegro a country of 620,000 citizens with out the CIA no one works weight ,these man all were chosen by CIA like the Davis brothers I lived in Detroit till 96 no one herd of them but Masarati Rick White boy Rick YBI Pony Down yes and many more pizza connection was small what the Davis brothers had and all CIA sponcerd
7:57 brick fall out of his jacket while he was cuffed
What's the song name at the beginning(intro)?anyone knows?
Did the Davis Family chapters already come out!!!
7 mile & Blackstone Mckinnley to Taft to HenryFord Baby"
Jacoby Cunningham Sr 7mile & Trinity
Anybody know the name of that song in the beginning.
I produced it myself on Fruity Loops 1 many moons ago. Mahalia Jackson sample
@@alprofit you haven't done nothing on mcgurk,you haven't ran into him. What about the YBI movie, where is the link for that fuqua bey.thanks for allowing me to to speak to you bro.
I have Kurt talking in murder city. I will add links
@@alprofit you need to interview me, I could tell you about the rollin Detroit 80.pony down wasn't no comparison to them guys, and anybody that was in the street that, YBI was a rolls Royce..pony down was a pinto.frfr.
I know many original ybi and interviewed them
Idk if its a Detroit thing but that lady sound like Deborah from the watchmen reports.
Intro music is 🔥
What's the name of the intro song
What about Dwayne Davis ??
Salutes to Al Profit from bringing it . DETROIT EASTSIDE DAVISON DOWN
When is the la Barbi video coming ?
They talk alot about him on the Craig Pettis video
Looking Good😉
This was hard to follow, or is it just me? I'll look at it a few more times.
Yeah you right...there's a bit to take in rapidly!
Shawn Pringle a little up & down, and all around 😂
you have to watch the documentary "rollin'' . a lot of the same footage and interviews are laid out in a more clear way in that doc. Once you see that you'll recognize people and fit the story together a bit better.
School craft to finkle, we yelling that. The old days
0:21 Ayy its the jacket Richie Aprile took off Rocco Dimeo 🧥
Lol looks like the jacket 😂
Into the best friends came thru lol
Great story , What was Sylvester Seal Murray role in all this
A boss...Reg was his supplier's
Part 5???
Rip Snake n Gunn
Al has to come experience life in our cape flats
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
He is originally from Chicago but he grew up in Detroit
Sold that pony for a minute also, pony down yo-yo
That's gangsta
What is them Jimmy Mack's at 840 minutes they was rocking them foot wear
Pony Pro 80
PONY 👇🏾!!!!!!!
Now Detroit ain’t shit. No one doin nothing there anymore.
That's because we all went legit and make more than the guys with bags...
Awww shit here come the real D shit
Flint Michigan checkin in
Hows the water
They dug up and changed the water lines in my yard already. The process for the city continues I think. But the trust is gone.
@@beecher127sick joke
Why are they talking in the background
Al profit do one on NFL AKA LINWOOD
=) In The D
Lb also grew up in Chicago Illinois but he kind of Detroit Michigan
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You have good content but then a lot of times you start seeming like the police or square say comments like that last minute referencing to Doc leading him down the wrong past we all men that makes our own decisions and that man might come out of prison and still do something great with his life don’t do that especially after you interviewed doc that was lightweight disrespectful
Doc approved the video before i realised it. When I'm in Detroit I have a key to one his condos. Amateur psychology is dangerous
I thought lb was originally from Chicago but grew up in Detroit
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Where can I get a coat like that Al?
Milan
Al Profit keep wearing it. well.....that counts me out. I do have some travel plans but they don't include Milan, Italy. Thank you for your reply.
You are doing a fantastic job!!! Keep doing what you love.
Keep up the good work. I think you will be very well rewarded for your effort.
From the 214.
Monte Christerfer Redemer by Youmasacala
Christifer Redemer Huemasacaler
The African trumpet player
Al I'm telling you. Contact me man so I can get you a real interview with my cousin Twin. Man read BJ book he tell you that if it wasn't for Don he wouldn't be who he was. Shit ask the lawyer Steve about Don and Ron. The twins. He represented their crew on every case. If you want to ask some real questions about the beefs back then, who really had the money and was putting people on. You need to get this interview. I promise you that you will be amazed from this interview. Get at me. We can tell you how the beef between Masaratti Rick and Big Ed really started
Maserati Rickand big Ed didn't get along because big Ed was messing with Maserati Rick's mom and Maserati Rick's mom gave big Ed that name..
I grew up on 7mile & Schaefer and remember being 7-8yrs old looking up to some Pony Down n*gga's off 7mile & Tracey...
NO DOWT
Damn 11 years old holding 2 STACKS W.T.F I KNOW IT'S NOT HIS BUT DAMN. WHO THE F TRUSTED HIM LIKE THAT DAMN.
#ybi 4 life
These would be better interviews if this guy would let them finish a sentence before he asks another question
If these groups was still out , this outta town influences young guy thing would never flourish
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When I was a kid I use to hear pony down laying in the bed with a bullet in the head
Mike Nitty the Truth
UNC?? IT'S NEFF - "EAST BOOGIE"
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Who wrote this story. Because my dad should be in this story. He was the man in the Pony. My uncle Gun and L. B. wasn't the only one runny shit.. Js
ALL I KNOW IS I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS IS BEING TALKED ABOUT , I ALWAYS MY MOTHER SAYING IF ANYONE ASK YOU DON'T ANY PONY DOWN LOL. TO ME THEY WERE JUST THE COUSIN AT MY GRANDMA HOUSE ON HOLIDAYS 🙃
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Give tony soprano his jacket back
Kevin Sousa the jaaaackeeet! You loved this jacket
Justin Freshi Roco demeo
A million a week my ass. Those figures are highly exadurated I believe, because people like to make themselves look bigger than they really are. A mill a week, I doubt it.
He ain't lying the FBI said the pony down gross revenue 81 was 100,000,000 and YBI gross by 1979 400,000,000 that federal documentation
You had to be there nephew. Ima make this easy to understand... You think a M a week is a lot. Because you come up in another Era. 1 brick cost $200 grand. You do the math. There were 100 or of us kids running around making a g or more a week. What you think the luitenents made? The Captains and the bosses? Exaggerated?? Yeah, it's Exaggerated... figure too low. The Davis Brothers was one connect. We had multiple connects. But yall can get it from our books 📚 $19.99 plus s & h ✌🏽
FREEMASONS
Pony Down.