I think my biggest issue with TBFP no longer being together is that I mostly hear grievances about it addressed to Woolie. A man who is likely to straight up say the resurrection of Christ is more likely than the idea of 4 guys who like video games coming together to have fun for an hour or two.
It's especially weird Woolie is the one targeted with these grievances because he is often the harshest and least sympathetic stream wise to his viewers. Like he's an asshole to the people who come to watch him and the more reasonable or assistive the question maybe the more he is towards that person instead of the actual dicks in chat. Maybe people just like to bait him. Maybe its just process of elimination. Unless you pay Pat he's probably not gonna even engage it other then "nope." Liam went out of his way to mock the channels death back in the day and cried wolf when people dared to engage it, and was the first to leave the channel, so people are probably under the correct impression that he's the person with the absolute least sway/involvement in such a plan. The irony is though Matt would likely be the reason and most against a return, the idea of a 1-2 hour one off is literally up his alley. And is a big part of why the channel ground him down in the first place. But I think there's just too much dividing them to bother. I also think its a matter of who would it most benefit. Us. They weren't a tremendously big group with incredible sway, they just existed for a longer time then most. If they suddenly said a TBFP reunion was happening for a charity stream I doubt it'd make much waves to justify them being in a room together.
@@Gungho73 Ever since the final video, the channel has been dropping in subscribers day by day. And even then most of their fans have moved on with their lives, it's a few people who really really want them to come back together. They made it very clear that, they're not friends anymore, and there's not anything we can do about it.
@@1Orderchaos Honestly I have been pretty good at distancing myself from most of their modern content. It hurts less that way. I'd imagine a lot of those people felt the same way.
it doesn't hurt that they disbanded to me honestly it hurts that they're not friends anymore the channel would've eventually ended no matter what and its great everyone's got their own successful channel now but the fact that their friendship ended is just really sad to hear considering the chemistry they had when they were friends
I dont think they where ever truly friends at all entirely and that relationship became sour after years of doing the same thing. It never seemed like Pat and Liam ever liked one another outside of producing video content and it kinda seemed like Liam was brought in to replace Pat in the first place as you could tell Pat and Matt where starting to dislike each for years and it became especially obvious with how passive agressive Matt was to Pat in the last year or so of videos they made together.
I'm so glad their channel and all their videos are still up. I'm not gonna bother them, because they dont wanna make videos together anymore. But its great to look back on the channel, at the hard work and dedication, and the fun times they all had together. Its like looking an photo album of the pictures you taken with your friends 15 years ago. Lets just appreciate the old channel and videos are still up. And not deleted and not trying to erase history. Because, nothing is deleted on the internet. Its forever
Honestly the fact that Woolie 'The Great Deceiver' Madden and Pat 'The Harbinger of Craze' Boivin have kept their podcast going all this time is more than anyone could ask for if you think about it. Not only that but they've got their own channels and they still play games and we can enjoy their thoughts and reactions till this day, compared to other channels that came to an end, this is a pretty good ending I would say.
That was the joke all those years ago in the machinima days. It was originally supposed to be matt and woolie but woolie had something come up and recommended pat from his fighting game group
My problem was that the Final video was not as closing as it should. Even tho it was all 3 of them talking about whatever was going on, it felt scripted and PR, something that they never were during all the years in the channel.
0:50 The only difference is that The Beatles were still friends and even planned on getting back together before Lennon's death. SBFP have no intention whatsoever to continue where they left off
It's very odd... I think maybe because the Beatles had such a famous band that they felt accomplished. While sbfp never had a giant following that you could hear the aggressive tones they took on to each other's remarks. For example oat would say something stupid and silly and get kinda sold out by matt. It was also vice versa.i remember pat really harping on how Matt had to act stupid in the machima videos, Matt's tone was kinda upset. You could tell Matt wanted mass viewers even if it met putting on an act for entertainment. While pat was just raw in every form. It made a great combo, wish they would put their differences behind. Woolie is a chill dude for everyone u can tell no hard feelings are twords him Liam always hated how pat would berade him like a group of highschool kids who gets picked on by a mutual friend of the group. Liam was annoying but I did feel for him. They all fucked it up by holding that hate in like a group of chicks
The Beatles grew up together as people and split over money issues, the manager and disagreements over touring. It was always a wild mischaracterisation that they split because they hate each other, rather the split caused some lingering resentments, and its increasingly well known that John and paul who were always cast as archrivals actually remained each others biggest fans. SBFP were very entertaining together, but it was mostly a business relationship. And sometimes even when people like each other it's time to move on with life, Northernlion Super Show was great for many years, but people move in different directions. And most of those people are honestly way more mature than the SBFP gang, no offense to any of them but emotionally no-one seems all there.
@@jace2802 A good example of creative flow differences was with the now defunct Machinima series they had. As time went on you could tell very much when they were being told to play something for views/cash, and when one of the episodes was made because they legitimately enjoyed content. Those AAA videos they were clearly contractually obligated to do in later seasons were unwatchable garbage and arguably represented the wrong side of content making. While a video like Vanquish still provided hearty laughs to this day.
Woolie's response may have initially seemed abrupt, but I can understand that he probably gets this question frequently and had to close the door. But like the guy asking implied, we all miss it. We watched their videos when they were together for years, both for the laughs and the gaming, and we're nostalgic for it. At the same time, the evolution of their videos is a life metaphor: things don't last forever, we all grow and move on to different things, and we become different people. It's fun to watch their old videos now and again, but as fans of theirs, I'm also glad they've grown and moved on to what makes them happy.
Naw, it's bad that they stopped making content people enjoyed, what they feel is irrelevant. People have a right to be angry and disappointed, the only reason they've reached anything is cause of what they did before.
@@maylabrown4584 You've likely changed as a person since this comment, but you realize that they are still people who deserve to act on their own desires? They're not your personal content farm, grow up and watch something else.
Idk as a mega fan of the zaibatsu i can see where that guy was coming from. We all want to see them come back together, even if its for one little video. I grew up watching them throughout my teenage and pre teen years, i love these guys. But if they're dead set on never patching things up and moving on then i guess we have to respect that. I feel bad for that dude tho he got fucking cooked for saying that lmao
I agree... and it's like, Woolie, we can't read you guys' minds. We don't know what happened and it's MUCH more confusing for us than it is for you four. From what the it sounded like from the Final video it seems like business and personal relationships conflicted but from THIS response you make it seem like Matt slept with Paige and you're angry at us for even suggesting a reunion. Bro, we don't know what happened because you all won't talk about it. It's not about making things like they were, we just want you all to possibly be okay with each other. You all literally went to Matt's wedding. That's not insignficant. It's not JUST about our selfish wants, we also feel a lot of remorse not that the channel ended but that really strong friendships ended. And maybe... JUST MAYBE... what's best psychologically is to have this discussion instead of holding in resentment.
@@waitselljones8068 How are the relationships in your life? Have you patched up with everyone you used to be close with? When are you guys going to hang out again?
@GundamGames That there's an unfair expectation for Woolie to sort out his relationships in a way that I don't believe people would genuinely hold themselves, and their own past relationships, to. I admit, I said it super condescendingly and should've approached it from a more sympathetic angle. I think, personally, it reminded me of feeling forced to get back with my ex. I felt like my health and safety was being disregarded; like the people in my life would rather see me depressed to make themselves feel better in a situation they can enter and exit whenever it's most convenient for them, when I had to be trapped with their decision 24/7. Ultimately, Woolie doesn't sound like he's holding resentment to me. It sounds like he keeps being forced back into a condition he's tried to move away from, by people who don't have to put in any of the effort or emotional lifting.
As he said, he's also wanted certain bands to get back together and that he'd do the same so he should not feel disrespected with these questions. The difference is the 'best friends' fans can actually communicate with the members in ways such as this. And no one knows at all why they even disbanded out of nowhere and to such a hardcore extent of not wanting anything at all to do with one another. To go from "best friends" seemingly having a blast playing games together to basically considering the other nonexistent will of course be curious for everyone.
As a fan of SBFP for years, it hurts that it happens, but that's because the ride was amazing. I love the solo channels. They're all fun channels to watch, and I enjoy everyone's styles. I will admit, when I'm feeling sad, I occasionally go to the old channel, watch a video, and pretend I'm back when it was simpler times.
@@LayerInfinityPart of getting old is realizing that enjoyment and good things in this world are finite and you can either do your best to soak up as much of those before they pass and prepare for that moment or learn to find enjoyment in discovering new things but never getting invested in any of them. Life sucks and will continue to get worse with every passing moment, but it’s our only option. Take it or leave it.
@@malikoniousjoe There are plenty of things in the world to enjoy, and it makes me happy to know that there are people who can enjoy them as I do. Enjoying things together is the best way, after all.
@@LayerInfinity they were my friendship goals 😭😭😭 and it’s funny because all of my friends groups started to fall out over the years so I understand. I think the understanding hurts the most
I get Woolie's response 100% (and I imagine Matt and Pat's response would probably be similar?) but man that twitch chat is so rife with brown-nosers that I feel the need to spray deodorant everywhere.
Because Woolie, and many other creators, think they’re way more important than they actually are. The Super Best Friends channel was popular, yes, but it wasn’t anything to get this dramatic over.
@@Go_away_loser Drama? hell no. Quality? Not really lmfao but they were a good channel. Felt like I was hanging out with my bros. They made it get to this level of insanity, but they were very influential in the sense of spreading the Hype for Yakuza- or maybe that was mostly Pat.
The only thing that upsets me about the breakup is that they ended in the middle of Kingdom Hearts, so now we'll probably never see Woolie's journey to the parking lot
The one thing I miss from the SBFP days were honestly the commentary from matt & whoever, Matt's current content is good dont get me wrong but I feel like the guy was way more funny when he had pat or woolie to bounce off of. But hey at least the channel is still up, I always go back a few times a year to watch some of the playthroughs and one off vids.
the personal business of individuals is not something we need to know, but from what I do know, and have no problem saying, is that this is mostly Matt's fault.
@@RazgrizStraitz you're a part of the problem buddy. stop trying to feign innocence while indulging in drama. the fact of the matter is that we don't know how it truly happened and will never know because these kinds of things are incredibly biased frankly unimportant
@@joedatius big assumption there "buddy". I don't want them back together. Matt & Liam are nowhere near the people they used to be. As far as im concerned the Matt & Liam I knew are dead and gone.
Yeah that’s the thing. I understand not doing stuff under the SBFP banner anymore and wanting to move on from that but why not just make a few LP’s with Pat if they’re still good friends anyway. Ig it could be a distance thing and the fact Pat hates travelling
They played SF6 against each other on their streams around release (before Rashid I believe) and Pat just called in to give Woolie/Reggie the BG3 breakdown/flavor text and all the good stuff. Reggie even blended someone before Pat finished advice and caused hella laughter
I mean they talk every week together on the CastleSuperbeast Podcast and occasionally Pat pops into Woolies stream. So I wouldn't act like they don't do ANYTHING together anymore. if anything i'd say we actually get plenty of Woolie/Pat content considering they don't run a channel together or anything.
I gotta say that it sorta feels like Woolie is assuming that people know what actually happened with the Zaibatsu, despite them never being clear about what went down. I get and totally respect their decision to keep private matters private, and i think it's a good choice. That being said, if you don't tell the audience what it's actually like, then people will not know what you know and you will get comments like this on the regular. It's not the audience being disrespectful or clinging to the past. It's the audience with very little information wondering if they could do a collab with the old gang again, which if you haven't followed some obscure twitter answers, isn't all to unreasonable to believe might be possible.
Yeah I agree. I think this comment section has shown, myself included, that piecemeal information we gather from any one member prior to or after the fact has led to this maddening speculation. I don't expect them to dive fully into it especially if its of a concerning nature. If it is, it feels intellectually if not morally dishonest to hide it from your fans for fear of losing out on a paycheck. Not saying it is that mind you please do not take that as "truth." If it isn't, then it'll only becoming more puzzling as that information starts trickling more from each source. Instead of controlling the narrative, it'll only spiral out of control if that situation occurs. And as we know, Woolie loves to try to control the narrative. It just feels very weird we had a group of men tell us so much of their personal lives, often too much of it, suddenly be unwilling to part with info that would effectively cause questions like this to die down even years later. It's especially odd for any single one of them to consider that a fan of the prior thing that is a fan of the current thing may in fact be the same person with the same interests they've always had... I can definitely understand where that commenter was coming from. And sympathize given how that...crowd of Woolies comment section wise tends to be. Considering all that, its starting to feel more like a "brave" question then a innocent one and that concerns me as a fan of what once was.
I don't think Woolie assumes that. I think they told us enough to let us know that the channel was ending and that the guys have all kept the personal details behind the scenes. Frankly, it hurts enough that they aren't all friends anymore. I really don't want to hear any personal details about the ending of the channel, especially if it's details about Matt and Pat arguing with each other.
The last time I’ve heard someone mention the question to Woolie was via donation in some kind of celebration. Woolie flip out like some pissed in his cereal 😂
thanks for sharing this video I often watch Pat and Woolie streams and OFTEN fight with myself about making that question to them... I'm glad I never did but boy it sucks. They're all grownass man now (I mean they always were) and MAYBE they could all come to terms and make some new stuff together but sometimes time doesn't fix things and things stay broken for good. They're all doing just fine on their own and castle super best is pretty cool I watch it every week but even tho Woolie says he understand where the fans coming from I'm not 100% sure he REALLY understand the bigass impact they did on many people's life for the better. Either way always respected their decision and now I know not to ask that question.
that didn't happened for obvious reasons.. Pat pace of elden ring was crazy he finished it within a couple of days of it's release while woolie still at it. Also the other day during the podcast Pat kinda spoiled something to woolie by accident while talking about the lore of elden ring and you should've of seen Woolie's face he was so angry hahaha.
@@GatsuRage they kind of did that for DS3, too. That game dropped and pat couldn't hold himself back from blitzing it in his own time. I would love to see it, though. They've both finished the game, they can do a different run with Woolsworth behind the wheel.
@@tybirous3417 that would be fun hopefully in the future but with each of them having their own content stuff I don't think it'll happen any time soon...
imagine having a messy breakup and being frequently asked by a bunch of strangers “hey can you hang out with your ex because it would make me happy”. like… OF COURSE i’m gonna say no! we already know it didn’t end on the best terms so why would we want to put anybody through that awkwardness? for a reunion that they don’t want that would be disingenuous anyway? no honey bunches of oats, it ain’t happening.
Woolie, the problem here is people are NOT understanding why the disbanded was all about. People are lacking context of what happened internally, so it creates mixed feelings. Some horrible shit might happened between you guys, and I understand that you don’t want to talk shit about it; although, you will have people keep asking you the same thing until the main problem is revealed. The fans need to understand the main problem to let the past go, so everyone can move on.
And if you do try to find out what happened, all you find is vague ideas from the community based on conjecture and possibly negative comments made on twitter that point towards personal drama. It doesn't help that they literally shut down the old channel overnight, in the middle of multiple LPs, and all they said was "we're just not friends anymore" with a shrug, but then Pat and Woolie immediately kept working together. Woolie acts as if there's some big explanation video that people are ignoring, and as with most things, is coming at it from a very strange direction that isn't how anyone else sees it.
@@escalatingbarbarism5096 I don't know that revealing anything new would help satiate fans. Besides, it's skirting the line into privacy violations. Can we not just let them be not friends anymore?
@@bigredjanie You shouldn't try to control how other people feel dumb shit like this, especially with this fanbase, weaned on jokes for babies and surface-level references to cartoons. Personally, I don't care. By the midpoint of the old channel, Pat and Woolie were the only ones I could still stand listening to, so things worked out fairly well in that respect. However, Woolie is acting like a little bitch about it. They ended things in a way that begs for an explanation, that's on them for doing a five minute video that said nothing instead of a few paragraphs on a reddit post or something. He just needs to get over it, because he'll be dodging this for the rest of his life since he's the only one one of them who even acknowledges the questions in the first place. And the strangely condescending and angry way he always addresses the issue doesn't make people less interested in the "truth".
It takes a bit of digging but Matt's wife calling Paige a nazi and starting needles drams with pat for wanting to fix a mistake probably had something to do with it
I miss SBFP. I dip in and out of Woolie's and Pat's solo stuff but they just don't compare to the old channel and the interactions between them. Closest I get to back then is when Pat and Paige are on the same stream together. Woolie and Reggie just don't do it for me.
Youve got that resident evil 2 playthru woolie did a couple years ago now, and their dmcv LP. Other than that, on the podcast pat recently asked woolie if hed be down to play a game of civilization together, so thats possible but other than that, im afraid thats what youve got to choose from their modern catalogue
I get the feelings of the person writing in, but as someone that has had a friendship end relatively publicly, I understand wanting to move on and being annoyed about people trying to bring something back that isn't going to happen. It's a bad feeling, just let people move on with their lives.
The problem is nobody has a solid confirmation about why it happened on top of it being like if somebody saw you and your friend playing Videogames literally the night before and then it comes out you haven’t been friends with that person for awhile and actually hate them and also we are never going to hang out at this one specific place anymore
This came up again so I checked these comments and it's wild to me that despite Woolie and co being transparent about things and explaining very kindly why it's not a thing to keep asking (it's more than just "that one guy") that commenters still here years later being weirdly parasocial and expecting them to divulge a bunch of personal shit about what happened to cause friendship problems. Guys, they don't owe you anything, they made their stuff, they make their new stuff. It's none of your business, watch it or not, but just respect the boundaries. Partly rambling here because I still see comments even now speculating on a reunion across the net. It was always more than "that one guy" sadly.
Sure they don't owe anyone anything but if they're the ones who made themselves public figures, so they'll have to deal with the backlash of not giving fans what they want whether they or you like it or not.
I guess fans are in the wrong for not liking Firefly's cancellation and I guess they were "rabid annoying fans" for making petitions, pleading with the actors and company to make a season 2. For once think of this is as a business perspective because guess what? TH-cam is a business even back then. Us fans are going to be upset, a simple question about a reunion shouldn't be this taboo to talk about. you see it all the time in conventions. If they stopped filming together for serious personal reasons then just say so. "they aren't friends anymore" just makes it worse for the fans, it causes speculation which starts rumors. They needed some PR advice because they did it all wrong and poor Woolie is the "spokesperson" for the dead channel now.
I died for that guy, just wishing for a nice thing and water under the bridge, and getting utterly destroyed. Don't get me wrong, I get it, but still a colossal oof.
I felt that the last year was really lackluster anyway. Partly because of the missing chemistry but mostly because there was too much stuff. In the beginning I watched everything they did but at the end it was just so much stuff to get through that I kind of gave up. There's a limit to how many hours of your week you can sit with these guys watching them play games or listening to their pod. The Matt and Pat chemistry in the early videos was the foundation of everything. No other constellation of these guys together or individually is ever going to be as interesting. Patt and Matt are not half as fun to watch individually. I am not going to complain. I am not going to hassle them. And I am not going to watch their streams either. Because no matter how much we should respect their decision we are not obligated to support stuff we find boring.
Finally I feel like I can agree wholeheartedly with a comment on the topic. It hurts but its hurt for longer then their channels official ending because they haven't been the Best Friends we knew for even longer then that. If I can't find it in myself at the time to obligate 1 hour-2 hours a day to any channel in the way I used to with them at their height, much less the one they left at the end for us, there's no way I can justify a 6-10 hour stream from Pat for instance. And having seen the interactions Woolie has with his stream base, and his stream moderators behavior, doesn't entice me to show up either. Using those two as examples of the whole, there's almost nothing there for me now and its sad. But its hard to move on. You want to keep remembering and support them due to old habits. But you're absolutely right. We are not obligated to support their content.
@@Miriam_J_what’re you doing here? A lot of people do write long letters and share feelings about shows and art. And this is similar people got emotionally invested
Honestly I only watch some re-uploads of Machinima vids and Spookycookies compilations if I ever want to watch them again. Podcasts are boring, Matt imo is boring by himself and with Liam, and I never really liked Woolie as a content creator (we just like diff things)
they need to do a fake reunion video for april fools. first it'll be funny, then it will be sad, then it will be even sadder that it was all a joke, then the salt miners will make more funnies out of the situation.
I think the thing that bums me out the most about the Zaibatsu never getting back together is that my Octobers will always have a big shitstorm sized hole in it
Thats what im saying. The 2 biggest personalities of the group were the most fun to watch. Matt’s content has only gotten better…. Compare that with what pat does…. Pat is more or less a guest host on woolies program, and anything he releases himself is just 🥱
@@pcharl01Honestly, I don't think so? Liam and Matt do stuff, Woolie and Pat do the podcast...but I haven't seen Woolie mention Matt at all in ages. Who knows though.
@@FluffyThievesI know he said his name in a few streams, but not as openly as pat does in the podcast about things they did. It was almost like the Downpour playthrough before Woolie came in for more of the videos and like Woolie will, at himself say in his head "Never say that person's name again as that's too much information" Ala Pat slapping Matt's hand metaphorically that time.
@@pcharl01 I don't think so but not really bad blood I guess? Woolie never talks to him and never mentions him anywhere but they still follow eachother on Twitter though unlike Pat so no idea what they're relationship really is.
I like coming back to this video because it grounds me. I get the hurt. Part of the appeal of SBF was that it replicated the feeling of being in a room with your buds trash-talking each other over Weaponlord or a Transformers game. Them slowly dissolving reminds us that not every friendship lasts, or at least doesn't always go in the direction that you hope it will or expect it to. But that's normal. And if nothing else, we have these time capsules of their work and compilations and animations to go back to - even if there is still the hurt. But it can be a good hurt. As much as I'll miss Woolz and Matt's banter (I'm a proud member of The 13000 from Tokyo Mirage Sessions), there's something nice about the idea that their witticisms and observations will outlast them and their channel. I think what happened with the SBF serves as a solid cautionary tale for anyone who wants to get into content creation. This is a scene that eats time, energy, and money, and puts a lot of strain on your sanity and relationships. And when your brand is based on Being Friends, that alone can be a recipe for disaster. Now add all the parasocial nonsense and vitriolic snipes from certain corners of the internet that they had to put up with over the years and, well, that can't have helped. Besides which, Woolie is right; everyone has to respect the fact that they've all moved on. Pat and Woolie still pod together, but they have separate streams that they host with their own crews, and that model seems to work for them. Matt's having a fun time reviewing and previewing all the janky media in the world. Liam quit TH-cam altogether and got into game design. Even their costars and co-collaborators are in different worlds now. If the planets did align and all the beef was squashed ...how, exactly, would they ever work together again? And why? I imagine they'd be almost unrecognizable. They all seem perfectly happy to be where they are. And I'm happy for them. People grow up and grow apart. Forcing folks to stay together is unnatural.
Was this really just a case of them "drifting apart?" Odd to be so certain a reunion is impossible, and to even get upset when people ask, if the split up was over something so minor. If there is more to the story, and you just dont want to say what it is, then say that and be done with it, instead of this weird shaming tactic of trying to make people feel bad for wanting to know if there's a chance when we have no reason to think theres isn't.
Right. Dude as a fan just wanted to know if it was possible and woolie just went in. I understand he probably was dealing with that question a lot from weirdos but still that guy just asked a question as a fan.
@@IAmDaldondo it wasn’t the first time they’ve been asked. Woolie walked it back and apologized to the comment or because it wasn’t about him. But it needed to be said because some people just aren’t reading the situation. It ain’t happening.
Good for you dude. I watched them starting from video one in high school, I literally referenced them a ton in basic training cause I needed the laughs, then watch them to the breakup. Dude, it HURTS. The breakup video literally put me in bed for a week.
No one wants to explain anything for some reason so people keep asking. Gets annoying being asked a question you don’t want to answer. Maybe one day there will be an explanation video for the fans to have closure.
@@alybaby941 I think that’s the biggest issue with people brining it up. It’s not coming from a place of disrespect, they were very open socially while the channel was running and to then just get a video telling us Matt and Patt actually really really don’t like eachother and have been faking it for a while and that the ‘Super Best Friends’ were the opposite of that, people are gonna ask questions. The stop felt very sudden and now rewatching any videos with intense arguments, even over dumb stuff, hits differently knowing that.
Matt and Pat seemingly despise one another, Liam hates Pats guts over a misunderstanding and for some reason Matt doesn't appear to be involved with anything Woolie does for unknown reasons.
@Ryka Liam made a Tweet, Pat responded with a joke and Liam took the joke the wrong way so hard that it burned the already rickety bridge between the two.
The Super Best Friends were some of the best in the lp business but people need to move on. Things change, Matt and Pat and Liam aren’t friends anymore, they’ve got their own lives now. And in those 4 years, people have probably asked them the same questions over and over again. I get Woolie’s frustration honestly, him and the others have moved on but the fans won’t let them. They’ll always be known as the Ex-members of that LP group that ended due to a friendship that had gone sour. But maybe it’s time WE move on and recognise them as their own individual content creators. The hard parts was never finding their own old content, it was letting go…
I never expect Liam and Matt to ever to do anything with Pat ever again, I'm pretty sure they hate him but the thing that bothers me is that Matt seems to have drawn a line in the sand and Woolie is on the other side, even though its obvious that they were actually friends. If that's the case I get why Woolie would get upset about it when a reunion is mentioned, I think I would feel pretty betrayed if something like that happened to me. Luckily I've never been in a situation like that with a friend.
Not gonna lie it extremely hurts knowing that their not friends anymore cuz once I found out and heard it Liam and Pat do not like each other and the group,they drifted away all of my middleschool to high-school era was amazing because of them
tbfp was a phenomenon for years, it had a great dedicated community, and a lot of people saw them while still in school. then they broke up over night mid LPs and had a half assed "it's over" video. it's not hard to see why people became attached and feel a lack of closure. maybe you should do some soul searching and find some empathy before the irony poison fully rots your brain
What I miss now is woolie doing LPs Next to pat I would love to see elden ring play together and resident evil 4,I really enjoyed those dark souls LPs.
Ditto. We realized way too late Woolie and Pat was the best combo the who,e time for LPs. Never mind that snailborne shit, I don’t care for watching souls games anyway.
At this point I'm just glad they kept the channel up as an archive, could've removed it entirely for them to really demonstrate that they all moved on but they didn't and there's still plenty of rewatchable content on it, still watch Rustlemania on a yearly basis since that's what introduced me to those knuckleheads
The amount of people here saying they "deserve an answer" is so fucking sad man lmao. The amount of people on the final goodbye video and this video saying how all the guys arent doing well is also depressing. Woolie has a nice following on Twitch, is successful enough to move to another house and get married. Pat bought a house, got married, sold said house, moved across the entire fucking country, bought ANOTHER HOUSE, and has a lovely child now. Matt is seeing major success with his solo vids and streams as well. They are all doing incredibly well, and those saying otherwise live in a fucking fantasy land.
Woolie is entirely correct. The zaibatsu released a clear statement in 2018 that they were disbanding. To be asked a question like that is one thing but Woolie constructively explained why doing so is a bad idea; it’s just not in the cards and people need to move on. Sometimes in life, you don’t get the resolution you want on certain things. In 20 years, things could change and they may reunite for a one off but why worry about that shit now? Why not support each of them in their own ways as content creators. Show them you care by leaving the past to die.
That's the thought process that led to the original channel stagnating and leading them all to sour with each other (or just Matt, really) in the first place. So many people in the fanbase just accepted sloppy LPs and random hiatuses without explanation, no expectation for the channel to improve, no standards but wanting them to sit there playing a game while they make Simpsons and JoJo jokes. There's a reason the channel was around for almost a decade and never cracked a million subs, and it's primarily this "shut up and accept it" mentality that always cropped up from so many viewers whenever anyone else pointed out that one of their LPs was poorly thought through or just played lazily because they weren't paying attention to the tutorial and they end up paying for it for 10 hours.
@@escalatingbarbarism5096 This is a complete overanalysis of a comment I made to dissuade people about asking Woolie why SBF disbanded. I agree with your points but the "shut up and accept it" mentality didn't ever ring true for the channel. It didn't blow because they had a specific audience. Once they did Omikron, I knew the end was soon down the line. I get what you're trying to say, but I was there for the channel too.
@@dutchbungis006 The end was down the line? Detroit was coming out. That would have been huge for them, but they fucked it up so badly that they needed a do-over. If you were there for the channel, you know the cop-out response at the time was to blame Omikron, because it's just such a bad game, it drove them all insane! It's so bad it made Liam leave even though he wasn't even there! But that's a just a cope. We don't actually need to ask Woolie what happened, do we? Because we all know. Matt checked out, Woolie took the lead, and he and Pat carried the channel where it might've ended much sooner if they hadn't. The truth: Matt was a petulant, child-like simpleton from day one. The fanbase coddling him like a baby only made it worse. Eventually he wasn't even running anything and was taking 10 vacations a year, and he remembered to call it quits and move on to his new, worse channel. Woolie is mad, probably not because someone asked him a question about what happened, but more likely because he got fucked out of a channel he put a lot of hard work into by someone who didn't, and who knows? There might even be legal ramifications if Woolie did speak his mind on the subject, considering how rich and poisonous Matt's wife is.
I’ve always loved how upfront, honest and frankly? Respectful they’ve been about their breakup. I’m sure they’ve received millions of messages like this and Everytime they’ve kept their cool about it and stayed pretty humble about it. Love you man, I hope your future endeavours all go great👍
I'm glad is woolie saying it and not pat. Because woolie is trying to be nice about it, and not stomp the nestolgia and memories in dirt. And I can't imagine what pat respons would be, probably the opposite
@@ms.pirate Pat would just say "Not happening, next topic". Pat, even tho has this persona of being a dick, is usually a very respectful person when it comes about serious topics. At least online.
@@crybirb have people actually tried asking pat and he responded to it ? I don’t follow their accounts nowadays enough to really stay in the loop but as of now this is the only video I know post SBFP that directly discusses the topic of what happened.
The biggest reason was just not the SBFP Let's Play's were the best content they ever made, even just old Matt & Woolie was amazing. Pat shined the most when all 3 were together. Though to be fair, Matt became a different person after he got married. He wasn't funny anymore really. His wife had a problem with Pat and was a detriment to their relationship. I think by 2016-2017 it was already over. The best of their work remains 2012-2015.
@@hibarikyoya854 yes. Soon after pat made a tweet trying to fix his relationship with Liam she made a not so cleaver tweet talking crap about "someone" bothering someone who wants nothing to do with them.
I dont understand honestly this friend group was bigger than anything in my childhood. I would do my neighbor favors just because I didnt have a computer and I desperately wanted to watch your videos…
All good things come to an end. It's only sad if person who doesn't want to acknowledge it, therefore they keep looking to the past without looking towards the future when there's nothing left to look for as it's already gone
Okay first of all judging by that comment something "shouty" happened behind the scenes cause you don't give a response like that without realizing just how bad the breakup was , second the problem is Matt and Pat, not matt and woolie and definitely not mat and Liam, since money is involved,any sort of group channel would involve a healthy agreement between three friends among which only pat seems to be a massive outliner. Do as you may but for growing your channel you gotta think of the best possible long term and short term profits.
just remembered their channel today and am catching up, much respect to Woolie for putting it straight. glad i forgot for a good while, this all just bittersweet. accept it as a good memory, thats life
You don't have to forget in order to move on, like woolie said, they are moving on in their own way. I'm glad the channel is still up, so some of us can look back and remember the good times. It needed to be said of course, and I'm glad it was woolie the one who is saying it, and he totally understands. However, you also need to understand that forgetting a good memory dosent only mean you are moving on. Some would rather remember those good memories, while doing something else with their time, and not bother people to keep the gang together.
Damn Woolie, he was asking a what-if question, but you slapped him with the cold open hard truth, which yes, we understand the situation of the SFBP gang, but you guys never explained and have been dodging every truth behind the scene of why the gang split apart. Respect that, MY ASS!!! But yes, it's better to move on after 4 years, they're long done from being Super Best Friends.
He did explain. Anything else is their right to not say. It’s not like it’s game grumps when Jontron left and they just pretended nothing happened. Woolie was transparent plenty
Honestly? Don't give me a SBFP Reunion. I just wanna see Woolz and Pat drag Reggie through games and backseat the fuck out of him. We have the third, he's on the left of the couch.
We as fans are not entitled to anything about their personal lives. I completely understand Woolie's upset-ness and anger towards these questions. Leave it be.
@@ShutterSnapped we aren't entitled but you can't demand people not want something, they don't have to get it but wanting something is natural, we will always want things that aren't available to use in the moment regardless of if it is something we deserve to have
If only things were anywhere near as good now as they were then, people wouldn't ask questions like this. I understand not wanting to go back to that point in their life personally, but breaking up the community, distancing themselves this far from what they cultivated and just expecting everyone else to be okay with that massive and SUDDEN gap of these people together in their life is not only absurd, it's somewhat insulting. I'm sure Woolie has his reasons for responding like this, but the Friends have to understand that while it may be a tired trope a lot of people have reacted to this about as well or similarly to their parents getting divorced. Now whenever I watch new content from any of the Friends I feel a familiar happiness that I've seen them again, but more so I can never shake that nagging feeling that things just aren't right and somebody isn't saying something.
I think what bothers them is the implication that what they’re doing now, that makes them happier than they were, is less valuable to old fans than their old stuff. It’s nobodie’s fault, people became fans from the old content and so it shouldn’t be taken as an insult when they expected more of why they showed up. It’s like if McDonalds stopped selling burgers and shifted to burritos. It may be a fantastic burrito, but people are gonna miss and ask about the burgers that until now built the franchise to begin with. I still watch Woolie and Pat regularly, and I enjoy it, but I still watch the old channel more than either of their current stuff. CSB is still strong, but the stream format doesn’t appeal to me like the pre recorded content did, and you can’t really replace the lightning in a bottle that was their four personalities in a room together. Regardless of how they felt personally about one another, they were an exceptional act together and it’s a shame we lost out on more of it going forward.
@malikoniousjoe I think you hit the nail on the head with that analogy. I'm much the same with their current content. Old videos and CSB are just about all that's worth sinking time into for me anymore. Not that they're bad to watch, but as you said, streaming doesn't have the same appeal and takes a lot of time, and Matt's current content feels WAY too produced. I just hope they don't fade completely into obscurity through all this.
Tbh, I only discovered them after they parted ways. It was through the silent hill and shadow of the colossus play throughs i can't tell really who's to plaim if any. Yeah it sucks but at least i wasn't an old fan so i feel way less of what the others feels
man, i love woolie so god damn much, hes got such a realistic balanced and caring persona, hes the kinda guy who if he was sleeping over at yours youd do your damn best to find a blanket for him.
Incoming PlagueOfGriples meme levels of of mine, with a TL;DR for anyone not wanting to read a rune wall of text: I think the biggest reason as to why people can't let go of the wonderful memories that the Zaibatsu crew brought to us all, is the possibility that people probably feel that there's something they weren't being told about when it came down to the whole reason or reasons as to why they all broke up. I've heard plenty of rumors that one thing was the catalyst, and other rumors saying that it was a multitude of problems between them, what was going on in their lives, what each of their states of mind were, whether or not they began to blame one-another for those problems that arose and compounded to the point it resulted in them breaking up, etc, etc, etc. The thing is, there's no way for the fans to truly know if it was one major thing that sparked the break-up, or if there were multiple reasons that built up over time that caused it. Some fans were able to move on because they got enough closure from what was explained in their final video. Some people didn't need any closure at all and simply moved on to the next thing to fill the proverbial void. Others weren't able to get enough closure to move on because they felt like they needed full disclosure of all the details. Even if one of the crew posted a tell-all, you'd have people arguing that it's just one person's take on it. Even if you had them all sitting in a room together and telling us in full about every detail, it would put an enormous strain on them all in order to do that, without it turning into a tums festival clusterfuck clownfiesta - and I wouldn't want to ask them to go to those lengths just to give fans the full story, because it wouldn't be fair to anyone. Not us and not them. It would've more than likely left a bad taste in everyone's mouth, and/or ruined one or multiple zaibatsu members ability to continue having separate, online presences in the future.
And that's the thing about why the break-up was so bad, and why people are arguing in this comments section, **even now**... These guys were absolutely amazing. I myself, have fond memories of the zaibatsu. Their content carried me through a pretty dark time in my life, that being a length of time of utterly agonizing homelessness. I still watch comipilations of their content to this day, because the content was just that good. It was that good to me that it left an impact that still brings me moments of respite, and hypothetically to others who might've had their own problems in life that the Zaibatsu helped them through (whether it was just a minimal amount or a lot). I'm not implying that they maliciously lied to the fans in their final video about the reasons as to why they broke up, and I'm not even sure if there is a "whole story " or not, or if it involved people outside of the four of them. I've heard this and that, but I myself don't see how it does anyone any good to still carry all that bitterness that still shows up every now and then when you see people argue about who was most at fault for the split. The thing is - it's not even that big a deal to me that they split. What pains my heart is seeing people being so malicious to one-another over a fucking LP channel breaking up - and seeing how harmful it can be (in a social community standpoint kinda way) for people to develop these kinds of parasocial relationships with content creators and whatnot. I remember when they released their, which was Kirby's Epic Yarn co-op if I remember correctly. I remember how god-awful the Danganronpa LP was and how we all overwhelmingly shit on Woolie and Liam for it. I remember Liam absolutely destroying MGSV, going full genocide mode on the soldiers in it - showing us that ♫ Big Boss is the greatest soldier in the world ♫ I remember watching Woolie go from- "Duuude...." to "Holy shit, Jerry is the greatest" during the Predator Concrete Jungle LP. I remember Matt and Pat saying "We've never cancelled an LP once we started it" I remember when that first cancelled LP happened, and Sonic Unleashed took the Rising Superstar into the Sonic Dreams sex dungeon and the ensuing Machinima intro animation that explicitly changed to show that Liam wasn't around anymore. I remember when Matt couldn't beat the final boss from SH: Homecoming and practically ragequit, letting Pat finish the boss for him. I remember how hype it was the first time I saw The Punisher LP intro, and how hard I laughed at the concept art parody version of it. I remember getting banned from the subreddit because a meme I made about Pat and Paige was a little too spicy for someone to let slide, whether it was a mod, or one of the zaibatsu themselves. Grand Wizard Wakka, Fart Gas, Citizen Snips, "What's The Deal With Silent Hill Anyways" Seinfe- I mean Douglas, Heather doing sick katas while studying the blade,the list goes on and on and on. That's how much of a memetic impact these guys had, Jack. The DNA of the soul. I see how much it tears Woolie apart to be reminded of those times, especially when it comes from vitriolic fans/ex-fans - and it kills me to see how he wants to just move on past it, but some fans just won't let it go. I have so many fond memories of it all that I'm welling up with emotions typing about all of this, because that's how good it was. Those good times remain in some form, and for some fans it brings up memories of how painful it was to see those good times come to an end. But all in all, those uniquely good times are gone and in the past, and you should treat them as the past. It's time for the the boys and the fans to make new good times on their own individual level - as well as the good times they've brought to us as metaphorical phoenixes born from the ashes. Watching Reggie and Woolie playing Divekick and seeing their eyes light up gives me heartwarming hope for these fellas. They're gonna be okay. Woolie has finally figured it out. TL;DR - Woolie's absolutely right. It is a big fucking OOF. For them and for us. But the least the fanbase can fucking do (to show their appreciation for the Zaibatsu) is celebrate and reminisce about the good memories these people gave us, instead of bickering and focusing solely on who was the most at fault in the comments. They wouldn't want that and we shouldn't either. The Zaibatsu died, so you shouldn't piss on its grave just to spite some random person you saw in a comments section. - Edited for grammar/spelling/punctuation purposes. Love ya, Woolz. You and your big, gross, mutant ant-bite leg attack.
@@bahskintimulholde6191 to me it feels even less than that, the same way a child doesn't understand fully why their parents get divorced, a person falling out of touch with friends after graduating highschool stop playing an old game that you used to love but now can barely stand to play it there are tons of things in life that are just hard to get used to no matter how much you tell yourself to get over it, some people can others can't for me personally my issue with the break up isn't that it happened but what came later, Pat has no issues at all mentioning Liam or Matt when it comes to old memories of the lets play days or even off camera stuff, yet Matt and Liam seem to have quit Pat entirely like they completely lost the ability to even bother remembering good times they might have had with him, makes the whole thing feel a lot less like Matt and Pat aren't friends and more Matt grew to despise Pat, doesn't help that after the video was made Liam took to twitter basically confirming just that only to delete his posts after the fact because people thought it was in bad taste, he even confirmed after he left he cut all ties with Pat even going so far as to Mute him and respond to his own followers about him when Pat tried asking him if he needed info on a game he was playing at the time, felt petty to people To me I don't need them to give their life stories they don't owe us their personal lives, the fact Pat even hid the fact he got married for 6 months from his viewers shows how much they don't actually care about sharing everything about themselves if they don't want to and that is fine at the end of the day as long as people have fond memories of the group, they will always want them to reconcile at the least
Basically they can't since it will impact their future memories with their individual channels, by keeping it vague you don't develop any ill wills with the whole event aside from the shock of the final goodbye which already could have broken their carriers. It is sad that community doesn't explain very well and just down votes but if you want me to explain then what happened was lot of ill will started between pat and Matt/Liam and both their gfs not liking pat make the situation worse. Now imagine after all that they finally decided to part ways and chance of these three reconciling are slim to none cause again they don't like one another. (Edit : useless auto correct)
Is anyone keeping up with Liam? I know he sometimes joins Matt for a video, but his superstream is VERY rarely posting anything. I just wanna know if our lovable waifu is doing ok.
The comment section nails it, you can’t blame the fans for not understanding the severity of the breakup when theres 0 context. For all we know it was some serious at the time business shit that’s totally repairable over time or Matt tried to fuck Pats wife, we don’t know and I don’t think it’s wrong to assume the best
“Mat and Pat are no longer friends, it just got less fun for them to record. The business side of the relationship degraded the fun itself.” Seems cut and dry for a channel called Super Best Friends Play…previously TWO Best friends play.
Do Woolie and Matt or Liam interract with one another? Because I know there's an unresolvable break between Pat and Matt, but I thought Woolie remained friends with all of them just fine.
Matt and Liam do tons of videos together. Pat and Woolie have streamed together a handful of times as well. I don't think that Woolie is very close to anyone but Pat anymore.
Wow I guess being blunt is just being mean now and people who split aren’t allowed to air grief about hearing the same shit they want to move on from, good job gang
All they did was ask a question and they put the commentor on blast, all he had to say is won't happen and keep it going, to keep talking and talking about it he became "that person"
Maybe if they would act like men and resolve their differences and not overly emotional women, they could actually make their fans happy and not forsake them all.
In my perspective its just a lot of mixed feelings. Ive never suggested you guys reuinte ever out of respect but its hard not really knowing what happened. "Matt and Pat just arent friends anymore" obviously isnt everything. But its not like you are gonna spill the T so its fine. But ubderstand thats how a lot of people feel. One day you guys just werent friends anymore and because we dont know the extent of it some people dont see it as a big deal. Not gonna lie I thought the final video was a joke for the first minute or so.
Seems like a massive overkill response to someone who probably was just a fan of Super Best Friends and wondered if they'd ever do anything together again. He should have just said "No sorry it isn't going to happen, ever" and left it at that.
Woolie handled this pretty well, but there are some nuances. One, the whole reason of why they stopped was never revealed so it's kinda inevitable that questions would be asked even years later. To go with the band analogy, members are pretty much asked every interview anyway so it should be expected. Two, game grumps did a reunion video so precedent has been established. The analogy of the band thing isn't great overall though because these internet guys are far more accessible so the etiquette is different. Third, when you chose a low impact social-type career of streaming and playing games, you don't get that same degree of privacy. It's part of the job to be successful in that arena.
They can't answer that they fought and stuff, if they said anything negative their solo content would take a hit as it would leave a sour taste in your mind. Basically as a die hard one can tell pat just isn't friends with Matt and Liam Period
What the fuck do you mean precedent? Oh these guys made up, so now as a let's play channel that means YOU ALL have to make up because you all do let's plays together. That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
@@normalguycap It does seem that their content has taken a hit in some ways, many of the old hands would rather talk about the old days on reddit then actually watch the new content. But very likely not the hit they would've taken had it been clear in the likely very negative way I can only now (by token of their inability to provide much otherwise) assume. I think its likely due to being somewhat consistent in terms of the content those members provide. "Third, when you chose a low impact social-type career of streaming and playing games, you don't get that same degree of privacy." This. This is something Woolie has struggled with throughout the TBFP timeline to his modern channel. He wants to control the narrative and the image of what is presented. He has always struggled with this. It is hard to sympathize at his point of his career.
The explanation was more transparent than most. Matt and Pat are no longer friends. I remember even other TH-cam folks like the dudes at OneyPlays, DingDong and Julian praised them for being so open with the situation. This comment is the equivalent of getting a nude pic from someone but being like “….but you didn’t put the camera INSIDE your butthole”
@@PoopFartNut I have no idea who those people are that you mentioned but yeah I guess you're right people just suddenly stop being friends after many years
This hit me hard I've been on a sbf binge ATM and wanted to know if the guys mentioned anything about the Chanel recently. I love there own stuff there doing Mats what if are great pat's streams are enjoyable i don't watch Woolie as much as i should cause the guys commentary is great. But at the end there was nothing like them and will never be again. I think it would be better for the fans to know that after these years away they are friend once more or at least talking every now and again
@@WeCareAlot4693 Matt's wife called Paige a nazi and called pat himself a pos for wanting to fix his relationship with Liam. This ironically made Liam awkward as he had no idea any of this was happening
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I'm just glad Pat got to keep custody of Woolie in the divorce
Matt's too busy working to take care of the kid.
@@Will45_ More like Matt's too busy taking the new wife on too many extravagant vacations to remember he had a kid.
Bro same
Best dad got to keep best bog witch
Can't be chewy and fuckface without chewy
@@Will45_ lol nice joke son
Pat got Woolie, Matt got Liam. Pretty 50/50 compromise.
The visual of Reggie digging up the corpse of John Lennon for a Beatles Reunion is pretty great tbh
I think my biggest issue with TBFP no longer being together is that I mostly hear grievances about it addressed to Woolie. A man who is likely to straight up say the resurrection of Christ is more likely than the idea of 4 guys who like video games coming together to have fun for an hour or two.
It's especially weird Woolie is the one targeted with these grievances because he is often the harshest and least sympathetic stream wise to his viewers. Like he's an asshole to the people who come to watch him and the more reasonable or assistive the question maybe the more he is towards that person instead of the actual dicks in chat. Maybe people just like to bait him.
Maybe its just process of elimination. Unless you pay Pat he's probably not gonna even engage it other then "nope."
Liam went out of his way to mock the channels death back in the day and cried wolf when people dared to engage it, and was the first to leave the channel, so people are probably under the correct impression that he's the person with the absolute least sway/involvement in such a plan.
The irony is though Matt would likely be the reason and most against a return, the idea of a 1-2 hour one off is literally up his alley. And is a big part of why the channel ground him down in the first place. But I think there's just too much dividing them to bother.
I also think its a matter of who would it most benefit. Us. They weren't a tremendously big group with incredible sway, they just existed for a longer time then most. If they suddenly said a TBFP reunion was happening for a charity stream I doubt it'd make much waves to justify them being in a room together.
@@Gungho73 Ever since the final video, the channel has been dropping in subscribers day by day. And even then most of their fans have moved on with their lives, it's a few people who really really want them to come back together. They made it very clear that, they're not friends anymore, and there's not anything we can do about it.
@@1Orderchaos Honestly I have been pretty good at distancing myself from most of their modern content. It hurts less that way. I'd imagine a lot of those people felt the same way.
@@Gungho73 Oh absolutely. We all got older and found other interests or things that could scratch that niche.
@@1Orderchaos care to share? I still have yet to find ANYONE like then
it doesn't hurt that they disbanded to me honestly it hurts that they're not friends anymore the channel would've eventually ended no matter what and its great everyone's got their own successful channel now but the fact that their friendship ended is just really sad to hear considering the chemistry they had when they were friends
I dont think they where ever truly friends at all entirely and that relationship became sour after years of doing the same thing. It never seemed like Pat and Liam ever liked one another outside of producing video content and it kinda seemed like Liam was brought in to replace Pat in the first place as you could tell Pat and Matt where starting to dislike each for years and it became especially obvious with how passive agressive Matt was to Pat in the last year or so of videos they made together.
@@EdgeO419 I always felt Pat and Woolie were genuine friends, but I understand your view on the others.
@@stingerjohnny9951 im pretty sure Pat and Woolie were friends before Pat met Matt.
@@kuratajutsucollege buds
I'm so glad their channel and all their videos are still up. I'm not gonna bother them, because they dont wanna make videos together anymore. But its great to look back on the channel, at the hard work and dedication, and the fun times they all had together. Its like looking an photo album of the pictures you taken with your friends 15 years ago. Lets just appreciate the old channel and videos are still up. And not deleted and not trying to erase history. Because, nothing is deleted on the internet. Its forever
Honestly the fact that Woolie 'The Great Deceiver' Madden and Pat 'The Harbinger of Craze' Boivin have kept their podcast going all this time is more than anyone could ask for if you think about it. Not only that but they've got their own channels and they still play games and we can enjoy their thoughts and reactions till this day, compared to other channels that came to an end, this is a pretty good ending I would say.
I dont have time to follow their streams, so I really appreciate that they kept the podcast going.
Of the multiple endings good bad neutral this is neutral route.
The truly sad part about all this is the realization that they were not really "Super Best Friends" but rather acquaintances through circumstance
Well liam sucked
The Mediocre Ok Acquaintances / Work Colleagues
That was the joke all those years ago in the machinima days. It was originally supposed to be matt and woolie but woolie had something come up and recommended pat from his fighting game group
@@haydenrayman1752best friends were originally mat and pat but ok
@@scorcoz that was the backstory of why and how they started two best friends
man this actually gives me so much more comfort than the actual goodbye video on the channel when im missing it
My problem was that the Final video was not as closing as it should. Even tho it was all 3 of them talking about whatever was going on, it felt scripted and PR, something that they never were during all the years in the channel.
@@crybirb I guess it shows how bad it actually got there in the final months...
@@crybirb It felt like one of their final seasons Machinima videos honestly. Just stilted and weird.
0:50 The only difference is that The Beatles were still friends and even planned on getting back together before Lennon's death. SBFP have no intention whatsoever to continue where they left off
It's very odd... I think maybe because the Beatles had such a famous band that they felt accomplished. While sbfp never had a giant following that you could hear the aggressive tones they took on to each other's remarks. For example oat would say something stupid and silly and get kinda sold out by matt. It was also vice versa.i remember pat really harping on how Matt had to act stupid in the machima videos, Matt's tone was kinda upset. You could tell Matt wanted mass viewers even if it met putting on an act for entertainment. While pat was just raw in every form. It made a great combo, wish they would put their differences behind. Woolie is a chill dude for everyone u can tell no hard feelings are twords him Liam always hated how pat would berade him like a group of highschool kids who gets picked on by a mutual friend of the group. Liam was annoying but I did feel for him. They all fucked it up by holding that hate in like a group of chicks
The Beatles grew up together as people and split over money issues, the manager and disagreements over touring. It was always a wild mischaracterisation that they split because they hate each other, rather the split caused some lingering resentments, and its increasingly well known that John and paul who were always cast as archrivals actually remained each others biggest fans.
SBFP were very entertaining together, but it was mostly a business relationship. And sometimes even when people like each other it's time to move on with life, Northernlion Super Show was great for many years, but people move in different directions. And most of those people are honestly way more mature than the SBFP gang, no offense to any of them but emotionally no-one seems all there.
Yeah, you still see Paul and Ringo hanging out with each other from time to time.
@@jace2802 A good example of creative flow differences was with the now defunct Machinima series they had. As time went on you could tell very much when they were being told to play something for views/cash, and when one of the episodes was made because they legitimately enjoyed content. Those AAA videos they were clearly contractually obligated to do in later seasons were unwatchable garbage and arguably represented the wrong side of content making. While a video like Vanquish still provided hearty laughs to this day.
Hell, even Ringo forgave Geroge for sleeping with his wife! They were like brothers!
Woolie's response may have initially seemed abrupt, but I can understand that he probably gets this question frequently and had to close the door. But like the guy asking implied, we all miss it. We watched their videos when they were together for years, both for the laughs and the gaming, and we're nostalgic for it. At the same time, the evolution of their videos is a life metaphor: things don't last forever, we all grow and move on to different things, and we become different people.
It's fun to watch their old videos now and again, but as fans of theirs, I'm also glad they've grown and moved on to what makes them happy.
Naw, it's bad that they stopped making content people enjoyed, what they feel is irrelevant. People have a right to be angry and disappointed, the only reason they've reached anything is cause of what they did before.
@@maylabrown4584 You've likely changed as a person since this comment, but you realize that they are still people who deserve to act on their own desires? They're not your personal content farm, grow up and watch something else.
Super best friends will always be an amazing channel to me, but im glad all the boys have got their own little spots on twitch and youtube now
Idk as a mega fan of the zaibatsu i can see where that guy was coming from. We all want to see them come back together, even if its for one little video. I grew up watching them throughout my teenage and pre teen years, i love these guys. But if they're dead set on never patching things up and moving on then i guess we have to respect that.
I feel bad for that dude tho he got fucking cooked for saying that lmao
How did the group fall apart?
@@GAZAMAN93X Liam left due to Anxiety issues in 2016 i think and Matt and Pat weren't really friends anymore
I agree... and it's like, Woolie, we can't read you guys' minds. We don't know what happened and it's MUCH more confusing for us than it is for you four. From what the it sounded like from the Final video it seems like business and personal relationships conflicted but from THIS response you make it seem like Matt slept with Paige and you're angry at us for even suggesting a reunion. Bro, we don't know what happened because you all won't talk about it. It's not about making things like they were, we just want you all to possibly be okay with each other. You all literally went to Matt's wedding. That's not insignficant. It's not JUST about our selfish wants, we also feel a lot of remorse not that the channel ended but that really strong friendships ended.
And maybe... JUST MAYBE... what's best psychologically is to have this discussion instead of holding in resentment.
@@waitselljones8068 How are the relationships in your life? Have you patched up with everyone you used to be close with? When are you guys going to hang out again?
@GundamGames That there's an unfair expectation for Woolie to sort out his relationships in a way that I don't believe people would genuinely hold themselves, and their own past relationships, to.
I admit, I said it super condescendingly and should've approached it from a more sympathetic angle.
I think, personally, it reminded me of feeling forced to get back with my ex. I felt like my health and safety was being disregarded; like the people in my life would rather see me depressed to make themselves feel better in a situation they can enter and exit whenever it's most convenient for them, when I had to be trapped with their decision 24/7.
Ultimately, Woolie doesn't sound like he's holding resentment to me. It sounds like he keeps being forced back into a condition he's tried to move away from, by people who don't have to put in any of the effort or emotional lifting.
As he said, he's also wanted certain bands to get back together and that he'd do the same so he should not feel disrespected with these questions. The difference is the 'best friends' fans can actually communicate with the members in ways such as this. And no one knows at all why they even disbanded out of nowhere and to such a hardcore extent of not wanting anything at all to do with one another. To go from "best friends" seemingly having a blast playing games together to basically considering the other nonexistent will of course be curious for everyone.
As a fan of SBFP for years, it hurts that it happens, but that's because the ride was amazing. I love the solo channels. They're all fun channels to watch, and I enjoy everyone's styles.
I will admit, when I'm feeling sad, I occasionally go to the old channel, watch a video, and pretend I'm back when it was simpler times.
I miss the simpler times too. At least the old channel is still up with all of the old videos. That probably matters more to me than anything
Considering Silent hill 2 is getting a remake man it could have been a funny series.
The only thing I miss is pat in lets play format. I don't like watching streams really. Woolie's content of 'stream then make an LP' is great imo
Bruh if I woke up from a coma and heard this I would go back in
fr though. what the fuck is happening to the stuff we used to enjoy man
@@LayerInfinityPart of getting old is realizing that enjoyment and good things in this world are finite and you can either do your best to soak up as much of those before they pass and prepare for that moment or learn to find enjoyment in discovering new things but never getting invested in any of them. Life sucks and will continue to get worse with every passing moment, but it’s our only option. Take it or leave it.
@@malikoniousjoe There are plenty of things in the world to enjoy, and it makes me happy to know that there are people who can enjoy them as I do. Enjoying things together is the best way, after all.
@@LayerInfinity they were my friendship goals 😭😭😭 and it’s funny because all of my friends groups started to fall out over the years so I understand. I think the understanding hurts the most
No you wouldn't
I get Woolie's response 100% (and I imagine Matt and Pat's response would probably be similar?) but man that twitch chat is so rife with brown-nosers that I feel the need to spray deodorant everywhere.
Pat would probably be meaner
Yeah the chatters are being unreasonable
@@e69alpha just brush it off i guess?
this poor dude in the chat just asking a question that basically everyone wants to know and getting lambasted for it xD
Because Woolie, and many other creators, think they’re way more important than they actually are. The Super Best Friends channel was popular, yes, but it wasn’t anything to get this dramatic over.
@@Go_away_loser Drama? hell no. Quality? Not really lmfao but they were a good channel. Felt like I was hanging out with my bros. They made it get to this level of insanity, but they were very influential in the sense of spreading the Hype for Yakuza- or maybe that was mostly Pat.
The only thing that upsets me about the breakup is that they ended in the middle of Kingdom Hearts, so now we'll probably never see Woolie's journey to the parking lot
The one thing I miss from the SBFP days were honestly the commentary from matt & whoever, Matt's current content is good dont get me wrong but I feel like the guy was way more funny when he had pat or woolie to bounce off of. But hey at least the channel is still up, I always go back a few times a year to watch some of the playthroughs and one off vids.
Still hoping for a CM Punkesque shoot style interview/podcast were we can hear some specifics on where things went wrong. Miss these dudes together
the personal business of individuals is not something we need to know, but from what I do know, and have no problem saying, is that this is mostly Matt's fault.
@@RazgrizStraitz you're a part of the problem buddy. stop trying to feign innocence while indulging in drama. the fact of the matter is that we don't know how it truly happened and will never know because these kinds of things are incredibly biased frankly unimportant
@@joedatius big assumption there "buddy". I don't want them back together. Matt & Liam are nowhere near the people they used to be. As far as im concerned the Matt & Liam I knew are dead and gone.
@@RazgrizStraitz wait what do you mean by that? Also does Liam have a channel or does he just feature on Matt’s channel?
@@TheRandomname951 『rising super star』is his channel but rarely posts
Woolie really just saying anything so he can avoid playing Wanted: Weapons of Fate...
I don't want a reunion but it would be nice if Pat and Woolie at least collabed a co-op or multiplayer game or something as a rare occasion.
Absolutely... or a brawl
Yeah that’s the thing. I understand not doing stuff under the SBFP banner anymore and wanting to move on from that but why not just make a few LP’s with Pat if they’re still good friends anyway. Ig it could be a distance thing and the fact Pat hates travelling
@@Postaldude__Wasn't Pat on the Baldur's Gate 3 playthrough Woolie just started? They also did Resident Evil Remake 2 together
They played SF6 against each other on their streams around release (before Rashid I believe) and Pat just called in to give Woolie/Reggie the BG3 breakdown/flavor text and all the good stuff. Reggie even blended someone before Pat finished advice and caused hella laughter
I mean they talk every week together on the CastleSuperbeast Podcast and occasionally Pat pops into Woolies stream. So I wouldn't act like they don't do ANYTHING together anymore. if anything i'd say we actually get plenty of Woolie/Pat content considering they don't run a channel together or anything.
"Not really likely"
"So you're telling me there's a chance..."
That's what we call the Canadian Curse. You can never say never, even when it's never.
YYYYYYEEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!
I gotta say that it sorta feels like Woolie is assuming that people know what actually happened with the Zaibatsu, despite them never being clear about what went down.
I get and totally respect their decision to keep private matters private, and i think it's a good choice. That being said, if you don't tell the audience what it's actually like, then people will not know what you know and you will get comments like this on the regular. It's not the audience being disrespectful or clinging to the past. It's the audience with very little information wondering if they could do a collab with the old gang again, which if you haven't followed some obscure twitter answers, isn't all to unreasonable to believe might be possible.
Yeah I agree. I think this comment section has shown, myself included, that piecemeal information we gather from any one member prior to or after the fact has led to this maddening speculation. I don't expect them to dive fully into it especially if its of a concerning nature. If it is, it feels intellectually if not morally dishonest to hide it from your fans for fear of losing out on a paycheck. Not saying it is that mind you please do not take that as "truth."
If it isn't, then it'll only becoming more puzzling as that information starts trickling more from each source. Instead of controlling the narrative, it'll only spiral out of control if that situation occurs. And as we know, Woolie loves to try to control the narrative.
It just feels very weird we had a group of men tell us so much of their personal lives, often too much of it, suddenly be unwilling to part with info that would effectively cause questions like this to die down even years later. It's especially odd for any single one of them to consider that a fan of the prior thing that is a fan of the current thing may in fact be the same person with the same interests they've always had... I can definitely understand where that commenter was coming from. And sympathize given how that...crowd of Woolies comment section wise tends to be. Considering all that, its starting to feel more like a "brave" question then a innocent one and that concerns me as a fan of what once was.
I don't think Woolie assumes that. I think they told us enough to let us know that the channel was ending and that the guys have all kept the personal details behind the scenes. Frankly, it hurts enough that they aren't all friends anymore. I really don't want to hear any personal details about the ending of the channel, especially if it's details about Matt and Pat arguing with each other.
The last time I’ve heard someone mention the question to Woolie was via donation in some kind of celebration. Woolie flip out like some pissed in his cereal 😂
Woolie made himself the spokesperson for the dead channel and is angry about it lol poor guy.
thanks for sharing this video I often watch Pat and Woolie streams and OFTEN fight with myself about making that question to them... I'm glad I never did but boy it sucks. They're all grownass man now (I mean they always were) and MAYBE they could all come to terms and make some new stuff together but sometimes time doesn't fix things and things stay broken for good.
They're all doing just fine on their own and castle super best is pretty cool I watch it every week but even tho Woolie says he understand where the fans coming from I'm not 100% sure he REALLY understand the bigass impact they did on many people's life for the better. Either way always respected their decision and now I know not to ask that question.
Maybe they inspired us to be super best friends of our own.
Ignoring pat just give me one good reason why Liam , mat and woolie can't do collab let's plays and streams
Hey everyone.
Things end and that's okay.
Eh poor guy got shit on hard by the chat tho I mean damn rip
I think Pat and Woolie should at least play Elden Ring together
Welp
that didn't happened for obvious reasons.. Pat pace of elden ring was crazy he finished it within a couple of days of it's release while woolie still at it. Also the other day during the podcast Pat kinda spoiled something to woolie by accident while talking about the lore of elden ring and you should've of seen Woolie's face he was so angry hahaha.
@@GatsuRage they kind of did that for DS3, too. That game dropped and pat couldn't hold himself back from blitzing it in his own time.
I would love to see it, though. They've both finished the game, they can do a different run with Woolsworth behind the wheel.
@@tybirous3417 that would be fun hopefully in the future but with each of them having their own content stuff I don't think it'll happen any time soon...
imagine having a messy breakup and being frequently asked by a bunch of strangers “hey can you hang out with your ex because it would make me happy”. like… OF COURSE i’m gonna say no! we already know it didn’t end on the best terms so why would we want to put anybody through that awkwardness? for a reunion that they don’t want that would be disingenuous anyway? no honey bunches of oats, it ain’t happening.
Woolie, the problem here is people are NOT understanding why the disbanded was all about. People are lacking context of what happened internally, so it creates mixed feelings. Some horrible shit might happened between you guys, and I understand that you don’t want to talk shit about it; although, you will have people keep asking you the same thing until the main problem is revealed. The fans need to understand the main problem to let the past go, so everyone can move on.
And if you do try to find out what happened, all you find is vague ideas from the community based on conjecture and possibly negative comments made on twitter that point towards personal drama. It doesn't help that they literally shut down the old channel overnight, in the middle of multiple LPs, and all they said was "we're just not friends anymore" with a shrug, but then Pat and Woolie immediately kept working together.
Woolie acts as if there's some big explanation video that people are ignoring, and as with most things, is coming at it from a very strange direction that isn't how anyone else sees it.
@@escalatingbarbarism5096 I don't know that revealing anything new would help satiate fans. Besides, it's skirting the line into privacy violations. Can we not just let them be not friends anymore?
@@bigredjanie You shouldn't try to control how other people feel dumb shit like this, especially with this fanbase, weaned on jokes for babies and surface-level references to cartoons. Personally, I don't care. By the midpoint of the old channel, Pat and Woolie were the only ones I could still stand listening to, so things worked out fairly well in that respect.
However, Woolie is acting like a little bitch about it. They ended things in a way that begs for an explanation, that's on them for doing a five minute video that said nothing instead of a few paragraphs on a reddit post or something. He just needs to get over it, because he'll be dodging this for the rest of his life since he's the only one one of them who even acknowledges the questions in the first place. And the strangely condescending and angry way he always addresses the issue doesn't make people less interested in the "truth".
It takes a bit of digging but Matt's wife calling Paige a nazi and starting needles drams with pat for wanting to fix a mistake probably had something to do with it
@@angellara7040 that is a good explanation. I wish it could come out from them, so we can confirm this claim.
I miss SBFP.
I dip in and out of Woolie's and Pat's solo stuff but they just don't compare to the old channel and the interactions between them.
Closest I get to back then is when Pat and Paige are on the same stream together.
Woolie and Reggie just don't do it for me.
Fun thing about archives, i don't have to go watch them alone when i can rewatch Eternal Darkness and Shitstorm.
I just would like to see woolie and pat do something together
Youve got that resident evil 2 playthru woolie did a couple years ago now, and their dmcv LP. Other than that, on the podcast pat recently asked woolie if hed be down to play a game of civilization together, so thats possible but other than that, im afraid thats what youve got to choose from their modern catalogue
@GundamGames Oh they do not, pat lives in british columbia now, pretty much the other side of the country
Like a podcast?
Did you miss the podcast they do every week that they’ve done for like 4 years now?
I get the feelings of the person writing in, but as someone that has had a friendship end relatively publicly, I understand wanting to move on and being annoyed about people trying to bring something back that isn't going to happen. It's a bad feeling, just let people move on with their lives.
The problem is nobody has a solid confirmation about why it happened on top of it being like if somebody saw you and your friend playing Videogames literally the night before and then it comes out you haven’t been friends with that person for awhile and actually hate them and also we are never going to hang out at this one specific place anymore
Don't be surprised when people come up with their own accusations.
I like how he aware of his opinion, rewound, and apologized to that one commentor.
This came up again so I checked these comments and it's wild to me that despite Woolie and co being transparent about things and explaining very kindly why it's not a thing to keep asking (it's more than just "that one guy") that commenters still here years later being weirdly parasocial and expecting them to divulge a bunch of personal shit about what happened to cause friendship problems. Guys, they don't owe you anything, they made their stuff, they make their new stuff. It's none of your business, watch it or not, but just respect the boundaries.
Partly rambling here because I still see comments even now speculating on a reunion across the net. It was always more than "that one guy" sadly.
Sure they don't owe anyone anything but if they're the ones who made themselves public figures, so they'll have to deal with the backlash of not giving fans what they want whether they or you like it or not.
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I guess fans are in the wrong for not liking Firefly's cancellation and I guess they were "rabid annoying fans" for making petitions, pleading with the actors and company to make a season 2. For once think of this is as a business perspective because guess what? TH-cam is a business even back then. Us fans are going to be upset, a simple question about a reunion shouldn't be this taboo to talk about. you see it all the time in conventions. If they stopped filming together for serious personal reasons then just say so. "they aren't friends anymore" just makes it worse for the fans, it causes speculation which starts rumors. They needed some PR advice because they did it all wrong and poor Woolie is the "spokesperson" for the dead channel now.
I died for that guy, just wishing for a nice thing and water under the bridge, and getting utterly destroyed. Don't get me wrong, I get it, but still a colossal oof.
I felt that the last year was really lackluster anyway. Partly because of the missing chemistry but mostly because there was too much stuff. In the beginning I watched everything they did but at the end it was just so much stuff to get through that I kind of gave up. There's a limit to how many hours of your week you can sit with these guys watching them play games or listening to their pod.
The Matt and Pat chemistry in the early videos was the foundation of everything. No other constellation of these guys together or individually is ever going to be as interesting. Patt and Matt are not half as fun to watch individually. I am not going to complain. I am not going to hassle them. And I am not going to watch their streams either. Because no matter how much we should respect their decision we are not obligated to support stuff we find boring.
Finally I feel like I can agree wholeheartedly with a comment on the topic. It hurts but its hurt for longer then their channels official ending because they haven't been the Best Friends we knew for even longer then that. If I can't find it in myself at the time to obligate 1 hour-2 hours a day to any channel in the way I used to with them at their height, much less the one they left at the end for us, there's no way I can justify a 6-10 hour stream from Pat for instance. And having seen the interactions Woolie has with his stream base, and his stream moderators behavior, doesn't entice me to show up either. Using those two as examples of the whole, there's almost nothing there for me now and its sad. But its hard to move on. You want to keep remembering and support them due to old habits. But you're absolutely right. We are not obligated to support their content.
I mean, they're not forcing you to watch their stuff.
Do you write big goodbye letters under shows you don't watch anymore too? This is very weird behavior that only happens online, I swear.
@@Miriam_J_what’re you doing here? A lot of people do write long letters and share feelings about shows and art. And this is similar people got emotionally invested
Honestly I only watch some re-uploads of Machinima vids and Spookycookies compilations if I ever want to watch them again. Podcasts are boring, Matt imo is boring by himself and with Liam, and I never really liked Woolie as a content creator (we just like diff things)
they need to do a fake reunion video for april fools. first it'll be funny, then it will be sad, then it will be even sadder that it was all a joke, then the salt miners will make more funnies out of the situation.
I think the thing that bums me out the most about the Zaibatsu never getting back together is that my Octobers will always have a big shitstorm sized hole in it
A new Beatles song just dropped
Proving Woolie still lies.
I have to say of all things I''m gonna miss the Woolie & Matt combo the most. The def jams let's plays were the best.
Thats what im saying.
The 2 biggest personalities of the group were the most fun to watch.
Matt’s content has only gotten better….
Compare that with what pat does…. Pat is more or less a guest host on woolies program, and anything he releases himself is just 🥱
Do Woolie and Matt not f#©* with each other either? I thought it was Pat v. Matt & Liam.
@@pcharl01Honestly, I don't think so? Liam and Matt do stuff, Woolie and Pat do the podcast...but I haven't seen Woolie mention Matt at all in ages. Who knows though.
@@FluffyThievesI know he said his name in a few streams, but not as openly as pat does in the podcast about things they did. It was almost like the Downpour playthrough before Woolie came in for more of the videos and like Woolie will, at himself say in his head "Never say that person's name again as that's too much information" Ala Pat slapping Matt's hand metaphorically that time.
@@pcharl01 I don't think so but not really bad blood I guess? Woolie never talks to him and never mentions him anywhere but they still follow eachother on Twitter though unlike Pat so no idea what they're relationship really is.
I like coming back to this video because it grounds me. I get the hurt. Part of the appeal of SBF was that it replicated the feeling of being in a room with your buds trash-talking each other over Weaponlord or a Transformers game. Them slowly dissolving reminds us that not every friendship lasts, or at least doesn't always go in the direction that you hope it will or expect it to. But that's normal. And if nothing else, we have these time capsules of their work and compilations and animations to go back to - even if there is still the hurt. But it can be a good hurt. As much as I'll miss Woolz and Matt's banter (I'm a proud member of The 13000 from Tokyo Mirage Sessions), there's something nice about the idea that their witticisms and observations will outlast them and their channel.
I think what happened with the SBF serves as a solid cautionary tale for anyone who wants to get into content creation. This is a scene that eats time, energy, and money, and puts a lot of strain on your sanity and relationships. And when your brand is based on Being Friends, that alone can be a recipe for disaster. Now add all the parasocial nonsense and vitriolic snipes from certain corners of the internet that they had to put up with over the years and, well, that can't have helped.
Besides which, Woolie is right; everyone has to respect the fact that they've all moved on. Pat and Woolie still pod together, but they have separate streams that they host with their own crews, and that model seems to work for them. Matt's having a fun time reviewing and previewing all the janky media in the world. Liam quit TH-cam altogether and got into game design. Even their costars and co-collaborators are in different worlds now. If the planets did align and all the beef was squashed ...how, exactly, would they ever work together again? And why? I imagine they'd be almost unrecognizable. They all seem perfectly happy to be where they are.
And I'm happy for them. People grow up and grow apart. Forcing folks to stay together is unnatural.
Great comment man
Was this really just a case of them "drifting apart?" Odd to be so certain a reunion is impossible, and to even get upset when people ask, if the split up was over something so minor.
If there is more to the story, and you just dont want to say what it is, then say that and be done with it, instead of this weird shaming tactic of trying to make people feel bad for wanting to know if there's a chance when we have no reason to think theres isn't.
I do agree, that's a super weirdly dead certain "no" more like a "we wouldn't forgive something" or they don't respect something that happened.
Random person: Asks nicely if they’re gonna have a reunion
Woolie & Chat: So you have chosen death
Right. Dude as a fan just wanted to know if it was possible and woolie just went in. I understand he probably was dealing with that question a lot from weirdos but still that guy just asked a question as a fan.
@@IAmDaldondo It needed to be said. He was also very clear that this was for everyone who asked this question.
@@IAmDaldondo it wasn’t the first time they’ve been asked. Woolie walked it back and apologized to the comment or because it wasn’t about him. But it needed to be said because some people just aren’t reading the situation. It ain’t happening.
more like just chat
woolie seemed super nice about it tbh
It's mostly the brainlets in chat hoping to be noticed by Woolie.
If they really had a reunion which it will never happen, people would post a clip of Nero saying "Alright getting the band back together!"
I never saw sbfp I just found woolies stuff and really liked it
Good for you dude. I watched them starting from video one in high school, I literally referenced them a ton in basic training cause I needed the laughs, then watch them to the breakup. Dude, it HURTS. The breakup video literally put me in bed for a week.
What happened between these guys? For Woolie to be so upset at the mere mention.
People constantly seem to bring it up and he wants to move past it.
No one wants to explain anything for some reason so people keep asking. Gets annoying being asked a question you don’t want to answer. Maybe one day there will be an explanation video for the fans to have closure.
@@alybaby941 I think that’s the biggest issue with people brining it up. It’s not coming from a place of disrespect, they were very open socially while the channel was running and to then just get a video telling us Matt and Patt actually really really don’t like eachother and have been faking it for a while and that the ‘Super Best Friends’ were the opposite of that, people are gonna ask questions. The stop felt very sudden and now rewatching any videos with intense arguments, even over dumb stuff, hits differently knowing that.
Matt and Pat seemingly despise one another, Liam hates Pats guts over a misunderstanding and for some reason Matt doesn't appear to be involved with anything Woolie does for unknown reasons.
@Ryka Liam made a Tweet, Pat responded with a joke and Liam took the joke the wrong way so hard that it burned the already rickety bridge between the two.
The Super Best Friends were some of the best in the lp business but people need to move on. Things change, Matt and Pat and Liam aren’t friends anymore, they’ve got their own lives now. And in those 4 years, people have probably asked them the same questions over and over again. I get Woolie’s frustration honestly, him and the others have moved on but the fans won’t let them.
They’ll always be known as the Ex-members of that LP group that ended due to a friendship that had gone sour. But maybe it’s time WE move on and recognise them as their own individual content creators.
The hard parts was never finding their own old content, it was letting go…
hmm don't you mean pat isn't friends with Matt and Liam any more
I never expect Liam and Matt to ever to do anything with Pat ever again, I'm pretty sure they hate him but the thing that bothers me is that Matt seems to have drawn a line in the sand and Woolie is on the other side, even though its obvious that they were actually friends. If that's the case I get why Woolie would get upset about it when a reunion is mentioned, I think I would feel pretty betrayed if something like that happened to me. Luckily I've never been in a situation like that with a friend.
He's just buying them time while they find a large enough net. Can't reignite the past without a rising superstar
Not gonna lie it extremely hurts knowing that their not friends anymore cuz once I found out and heard it Liam and Pat do not like each other and the group,they drifted away all of my middleschool to high-school era was amazing because of them
What is HAPPENING in this comment section???? Bunch of people united in deranged parasocial behavior
Mom said its my turn with the poor coping mechanism
Yeah, it's fucking embarrassing.
tbfp was a phenomenon for years, it had a great dedicated community, and a lot of people saw them while still in school. then they broke up over night mid LPs and had a half assed "it's over" video. it's not hard to see why people became attached and feel a lack of closure. maybe you should do some soul searching and find some empathy before the irony poison fully rots your brain
What I miss now is woolie doing LPs Next to pat I would love to see elden ring play together and resident evil 4,I really enjoyed those dark souls LPs.
Ditto. We realized way too late Woolie and Pat was the best combo the who,e time for LPs. Never mind that snailborne shit, I don’t care for watching souls games anyway.
At this point I'm just glad they kept the channel up as an archive, could've removed it entirely for them to really demonstrate that they all moved on but they didn't and there's still plenty of rewatchable content on it, still watch Rustlemania on a yearly basis since that's what introduced me to those knuckleheads
The amount of people here saying they "deserve an answer" is so fucking sad man lmao. The amount of people on the final goodbye video and this video saying how all the guys arent doing well is also depressing. Woolie has a nice following on Twitch, is successful enough to move to another house and get married. Pat bought a house, got married, sold said house, moved across the entire fucking country, bought ANOTHER HOUSE, and has a lovely child now. Matt is seeing major success with his solo vids and streams as well. They are all doing incredibly well, and those saying otherwise live in a fucking fantasy land.
Woolie is entirely correct. The zaibatsu released a clear statement in 2018 that they were disbanding. To be asked a question like that is one thing but Woolie constructively explained why doing so is a bad idea; it’s just not in the cards and people need to move on. Sometimes in life, you don’t get the resolution you want on certain things. In 20 years, things could change and they may reunite for a one off but why worry about that shit now? Why not support each of them in their own ways as content creators. Show them you care by leaving the past to die.
That's the thought process that led to the original channel stagnating and leading them all to sour with each other (or just Matt, really) in the first place. So many people in the fanbase just accepted sloppy LPs and random hiatuses without explanation, no expectation for the channel to improve, no standards but wanting them to sit there playing a game while they make Simpsons and JoJo jokes.
There's a reason the channel was around for almost a decade and never cracked a million subs, and it's primarily this "shut up and accept it" mentality that always cropped up from so many viewers whenever anyone else pointed out that one of their LPs was poorly thought through or just played lazily because they weren't paying attention to the tutorial and they end up paying for it for 10 hours.
@@escalatingbarbarism5096 This is a complete overanalysis of a comment I made to dissuade people about asking Woolie why SBF disbanded. I agree with your points but the "shut up and accept it" mentality didn't ever ring true for the channel. It didn't blow because they had a specific audience. Once they did Omikron, I knew the end was soon down the line. I get what you're trying to say, but I was there for the channel too.
@@dutchbungis006 The end was down the line? Detroit was coming out. That would have been huge for them, but they fucked it up so badly that they needed a do-over. If you were there for the channel, you know the cop-out response at the time was to blame Omikron, because it's just such a bad game, it drove them all insane! It's so bad it made Liam leave even though he wasn't even there! But that's a just a cope.
We don't actually need to ask Woolie what happened, do we? Because we all know. Matt checked out, Woolie took the lead, and he and Pat carried the channel where it might've ended much sooner if they hadn't.
The truth: Matt was a petulant, child-like simpleton from day one. The fanbase coddling him like a baby only made it worse. Eventually he wasn't even running anything and was taking 10 vacations a year, and he remembered to call it quits and move on to his new, worse channel. Woolie is mad, probably not because someone asked him a question about what happened, but more likely because he got fucked out of a channel he put a lot of hard work into by someone who didn't, and who knows? There might even be legal ramifications if Woolie did speak his mind on the subject, considering how rich and poisonous Matt's wife is.
@@escalatingbarbarism5096 Matt's hiatus after Omikron is telling enough
If you don't tell people in any official capacity that you're on bad terms, then don't hold it against some random fan for asking.
I’ve always loved how upfront, honest and frankly? Respectful they’ve been about their breakup. I’m sure they’ve received millions of messages like this and Everytime they’ve kept their cool about it and stayed pretty humble about it. Love you man, I hope your future endeavours all go great👍
I'm glad is woolie saying it and not pat. Because woolie is trying to be nice about it, and not stomp the nestolgia and memories in dirt. And I can't imagine what pat respons would be, probably the opposite
@@ms.pirate Pat would just say "Not happening, next topic". Pat, even tho has this persona of being a dick, is usually a very respectful person when it comes about serious topics. At least online.
@@crybirb have people actually tried asking pat and he responded to it ? I don’t follow their accounts nowadays enough to really stay in the loop but as of now this is the only video I know post SBFP that directly discusses the topic of what happened.
@@ms.pirate found the non-fan causing toxic in the comments
The biggest reason was just not the SBFP Let's Play's were the best content they ever made, even just old Matt & Woolie was amazing. Pat shined the most when all 3 were together. Though to be fair, Matt became a different person after he got married. He wasn't funny anymore really. His wife had a problem with Pat and was a detriment to their relationship. I think by 2016-2017 it was already over. The best of their work remains 2012-2015.
I always felt this... yoko broke them up
Is there any evidence that she didn't like him orrrrr?
@@hibarikyoya854 yes. Soon after pat made a tweet trying to fix his relationship with Liam she made a not so cleaver tweet talking crap about "someone" bothering someone who wants nothing to do with them.
I really don’t think it was cool to call this comment “disrespectful”
But, that’s his POV I guess
Classic stream Woolie move honestly. Never endeared me much.
Sometimes people just grow apart shit happens,the happiness of friendships have the harshest breakups
Matts wife happened.
I dont understand honestly this friend group was bigger than anything in my childhood. I would do my neighbor favors just because I didnt have a computer and I desperately wanted to watch your videos…
All good things come to an end. It's only sad if person who doesn't want to acknowledge it, therefore they keep looking to the past without looking towards the future when there's nothing left to look for as it's already gone
? So explain why I get this depressing feeling whenever I want to watch some old LP's? They left a black stain on the channel :/
Okay first of all judging by that comment something "shouty" happened behind the scenes cause you don't give a response like that without realizing just how bad the breakup was , second the problem is Matt and Pat, not matt and woolie and definitely not mat and Liam, since money is involved,any sort of group channel would involve a healthy agreement between three friends among which only pat seems to be a massive outliner. Do as you may but for growing your channel you gotta think of the best possible long term and short term profits.
I miss TBFP not SBFP. But respect to everyone doing their own thing.
just remembered their channel today and am catching up, much respect to Woolie for putting it straight. glad i forgot for a good while, this all just bittersweet. accept it as a good memory, thats life
The Baz: "I will never be a memory"
You don't have to forget in order to move on, like woolie said, they are moving on in their own way. I'm glad the channel is still up, so some of us can look back and remember the good times. It needed to be said of course, and I'm glad it was woolie the one who is saying it, and he totally understands. However, you also need to understand that forgetting a good memory dosent only mean you are moving on. Some would rather remember those good memories, while doing something else with their time, and not bother people to keep the gang together.
Okay but hear me out
What if I really miss/enjoyed the Woolie/V stuff? I hate that it feels like they can't do that, all because of shitty "fans".
Damn Woolie, he was asking a what-if question, but you slapped him with the cold open hard truth, which yes, we understand the situation of the SFBP gang, but you guys never explained and have been dodging every truth behind the scene of why the gang split apart. Respect that, MY ASS!!!
But yes, it's better to move on after 4 years, they're long done from being Super Best Friends.
He did explain. Anything else is their right to not say. It’s not like it’s game grumps when Jontron left and they just pretended nothing happened. Woolie was transparent plenty
they will never be super best friends again. they wont even be friends. these guys dont like each other. move on.
Not exactly Pat and Matt are still friends with woolie and woolie and Matt are friends with Liam.
Not even gonna sugar coat it huh
@@hibarikyoya854 When was the last time Matt acknowledged Woolie lol he even glossed over Zubaz on Triple KO
Honestly? Don't give me a SBFP Reunion.
I just wanna see Woolz and Pat drag Reggie through games and backseat the fuck out of him.
We have the third, he's on the left of the couch.
Pat, Reggie, woolie, Billy and super eye patch wolf bull crap would be amazing
So you're saying there's a chance
I don’t want a reunion, I just want to know more as to why and what happened.
Same.
Its a google search away you absolute genius
We as fans are not entitled to anything about their personal lives. I completely understand Woolie's upset-ness and anger towards these questions. Leave it be.
@@ShutterSnapped we aren't entitled but you can't demand people not want something, they don't have to get it but wanting something is natural, we will always want things that aren't available to use in the moment regardless of if it is something we deserve to have
I dont even wanna know, I just want Matt and Pat to just...I dunno. Apologize to each other and just occasionally play a game together or something.
If only things were anywhere near as good now as they were then, people wouldn't ask questions like this. I understand not wanting to go back to that point in their life personally, but breaking up the community, distancing themselves this far from what they cultivated and just expecting everyone else to be okay with that massive and SUDDEN gap of these people together in their life is not only absurd, it's somewhat insulting.
I'm sure Woolie has his reasons for responding like this, but the Friends have to understand that while it may be a tired trope a lot of people have reacted to this about as well or similarly to their parents getting divorced. Now whenever I watch new content from any of the Friends I feel a familiar happiness that I've seen them again, but more so I can never shake that nagging feeling that things just aren't right and somebody isn't saying something.
Might be too close to it. Not for enjoying the content for missing it, but for being insulted that they moved on.
I think what bothers them is the implication that what they’re doing now, that makes them happier than they were, is less valuable to old fans than their old stuff. It’s nobodie’s fault, people became fans from the old content and so it shouldn’t be taken as an insult when they expected more of why they showed up. It’s like if McDonalds stopped selling burgers and shifted to burritos. It may be a fantastic burrito, but people are gonna miss and ask about the burgers that until now built the franchise to begin with. I still watch Woolie and Pat regularly, and I enjoy it, but I still watch the old channel more than either of their current stuff. CSB is still strong, but the stream format doesn’t appeal to me like the pre recorded content did, and you can’t really replace the lightning in a bottle that was their four personalities in a room together. Regardless of how they felt personally about one another, they were an exceptional act together and it’s a shame we lost out on more of it going forward.
@malikoniousjoe I think you hit the nail on the head with that analogy. I'm much the same with their current content. Old videos and CSB are just about all that's worth sinking time into for me anymore. Not that they're bad to watch, but as you said, streaming doesn't have the same appeal and takes a lot of time, and Matt's current content feels WAY too produced. I just hope they don't fade completely into obscurity through all this.
Tbh, I only discovered them after they parted ways. It was through the silent hill and shadow of the colossus play throughs i can't tell really who's to plaim if any. Yeah it sucks but at least i wasn't an old fan so i feel way less of what the others feels
Why did they disbanded? Super best friend's was my favorite
man, i love woolie so god damn much, hes got such a realistic balanced and caring persona, hes the kinda guy who if he was sleeping over at yours youd do your damn best to find a blanket for him.
Hey Woolie are you going to have a reunion with Matt and Pat?
when they back doe
Yeah sure, okay, but why are you wearing grandma's old tablecloth around your neck?
Incoming PlagueOfGriples meme levels of of mine, with a TL;DR for anyone not wanting to read a rune wall of text:
I think the biggest reason as to why people can't let go of the wonderful memories that the Zaibatsu crew brought to us all, is the possibility that people probably feel that there's something they weren't being told about when it came down to the whole reason or reasons as to why they all broke up.
I've heard plenty of rumors that one thing was the catalyst, and other rumors saying that it was a multitude of problems between them, what was going on in their lives, what each of their states of mind were, whether or not they began to blame one-another for those problems that arose and compounded to the point it resulted in them breaking up, etc, etc, etc.
The thing is, there's no way for the fans to truly know if it was one major thing that sparked the break-up, or if there were multiple reasons that built up over time that caused it. Some fans were able to move on because they got enough closure from what was explained in their final video. Some people didn't need any closure at all and simply moved on to the next thing to fill the proverbial void.
Others weren't able to get enough closure to move on because they felt like they needed full disclosure of all the details. Even if one of the crew posted a tell-all, you'd have people arguing that it's just one person's take on it. Even if you had them all sitting in a room together and telling us in full about every detail, it would put an enormous strain on them all in order to do that, without it turning into a tums festival clusterfuck clownfiesta - and I wouldn't want to ask them to go to those lengths just to give fans the full story, because it wouldn't be fair to anyone. Not us and not them. It would've more than likely left a bad taste in everyone's mouth, and/or ruined one or multiple zaibatsu members ability to continue having separate, online presences in the future.
And that's the thing about why the break-up was so bad, and why people are arguing in this comments section, **even now**...
These guys were absolutely amazing. I myself, have fond memories of the zaibatsu. Their content carried me through a pretty dark time in my life, that being a length of time of utterly agonizing homelessness. I still watch comipilations of their content to this day, because the content was just that good. It was that good to me that it left an impact that still brings me moments of respite, and hypothetically to others who might've had their own problems in life that the Zaibatsu helped them through (whether it was just a minimal amount or a lot).
I'm not implying that they maliciously lied to the fans in their final video about the reasons as to why they broke up, and I'm not even sure if there is a "whole story " or not, or if it involved people outside of the four of them. I've heard this and that, but I myself don't see how it does anyone any good to still carry all that bitterness that still shows up every now and then when you see people argue about who was most at fault for the split. The thing is - it's not even that big a deal to me that they split. What pains my heart is seeing people being so malicious to one-another over a fucking LP channel breaking up - and seeing how harmful it can be (in a social community standpoint kinda way) for people to develop these kinds of parasocial relationships with content creators and whatnot.
I remember when they released their, which was Kirby's Epic Yarn co-op if I remember correctly.
I remember how god-awful the Danganronpa LP was and how we all overwhelmingly shit on Woolie and Liam for it.
I remember Liam absolutely destroying MGSV, going full genocide mode on the soldiers in it
- showing us that ♫ Big Boss is the greatest soldier in the world ♫
I remember watching Woolie go from-
"Duuude...." to "Holy shit, Jerry is the greatest" during the Predator Concrete Jungle LP.
I remember Matt and Pat saying "We've never cancelled an LP once we started it"
I remember when that first cancelled LP happened, and Sonic Unleashed took the Rising Superstar into the Sonic Dreams sex dungeon and the ensuing Machinima intro animation that explicitly changed to show that Liam wasn't around anymore.
I remember when Matt couldn't beat the final boss from SH: Homecoming and practically ragequit, letting Pat finish the boss for him.
I remember how hype it was the first time I saw The Punisher LP intro, and how hard I laughed at the concept art parody version of it.
I remember getting banned from the subreddit because a meme I made about Pat and Paige was a little too spicy for someone to let slide, whether it was a mod, or one of the zaibatsu themselves.
Grand Wizard Wakka, Fart Gas, Citizen Snips, "What's The Deal With Silent Hill Anyways" Seinfe- I mean Douglas, Heather doing sick katas while studying the blade,the list goes on and on and on.
That's how much of a memetic impact these guys had, Jack. The DNA of the soul.
I see how much it tears Woolie apart to be reminded of those times, especially when it comes from vitriolic fans/ex-fans - and it kills me to see how he wants to just move on past it, but some fans just won't let it go.
I have so many fond memories of it all that I'm welling up with emotions typing about all of this, because that's how good it was. Those good times remain in some form, and for some fans it brings up memories of how painful it was to see those good times come to an end.
But all in all, those uniquely good times are gone and in the past, and you should treat them as the past. It's time for the the boys and the fans to make new good times on their own individual level - as well as the good times they've brought to us as metaphorical phoenixes born from the ashes.
Watching Reggie and Woolie playing Divekick and seeing their eyes light up gives me heartwarming hope for these fellas.
They're gonna be okay. Woolie has finally figured it out.
TL;DR - Woolie's absolutely right. It is a big fucking OOF. For them and for us. But the least the fanbase can fucking do (to show their appreciation for the Zaibatsu) is celebrate and reminisce about the good memories these people gave us, instead of bickering and focusing solely on who was the most at fault in the comments. They wouldn't want that and we shouldn't either. The Zaibatsu died, so you shouldn't piss on its grave just to spite some random person you saw in a comments section.
- Edited for grammar/spelling/punctuation purposes. Love ya, Woolz. You and your big, gross, mutant ant-bite leg attack.
@@bahskintimulholde6191 to me it feels even less than that,
the same way a child doesn't understand fully why their parents get divorced,
a person falling out of touch with friends after graduating highschool
stop playing an old game that you used to love but now can barely stand to play it
there are tons of things in life that are just hard to get used to no matter how much you tell yourself to get over it, some people can others can't
for me personally my issue with the break up isn't that it happened but what came later,
Pat has no issues at all mentioning Liam or Matt when it comes to old memories of the lets play days or even off camera stuff, yet Matt and Liam seem to have quit Pat entirely like they completely lost the ability to even bother remembering good times they might have had with him,
makes the whole thing feel a lot less like Matt and Pat aren't friends and more Matt grew to despise Pat, doesn't help that after the video was made Liam took to twitter basically confirming just that only to delete his posts after the fact because people thought it was in bad taste, he even confirmed after he left he cut all ties with Pat even going so far as to Mute him and respond to his own followers about him when Pat tried asking him if he needed info on a game he was playing at the time, felt petty to people
To me I don't need them to give their life stories they don't owe us their personal lives, the fact Pat even hid the fact he got married for 6 months from his viewers shows how much they don't actually care about sharing everything about themselves if they don't want to and that is fine
at the end of the day as long as people have fond memories of the group, they will always want them to reconcile at the least
Basically they can't since it will impact their future memories with their individual channels, by keeping it vague you don't develop any ill wills with the whole event aside from the shock of the final goodbye which already could have broken their carriers. It is sad that community doesn't explain very well and just down votes but if you want me to explain then what happened was lot of ill will started between pat and Matt/Liam and both their gfs not liking pat make the situation worse. Now imagine after all that they finally decided to part ways and chance of these three reconciling are slim to none cause again they don't like one another. (Edit : useless auto correct)
what even happened to plague, is he alive?
Is anyone keeping up with Liam? I know he sometimes joins Matt for a video, but his superstream is VERY rarely posting anything. I just wanna know if our lovable waifu is doing ok.
I think he still lives in Japan because his fiance's job brought her there temporarily and he made a small game that's on steam and switch.
@kabishen
Glad he's doing ok. Also need the name of that game please.
@@Akaritomi Garden Guardian
@@kabishen
Thanks. Gotta support our 4 weird dads.
Yeah, the homewrecker is doing just fine.
It just hurts that the Super Best Friends aren’t even friends 😭😭😭
Use this comment to be nostalgic if not for you then for me🙏🏾
To be fair, Pat and Woolie still are friends.
@@Brucifer2 true they were my favorite of the two
@@spirtjamThey had the best chemistry of them imo. Their souls borne stuff was always my favorite
@@stingerjohnny9951 definitely was, I wish I could forget it just to watch it so over again 😭😭😭
The comment section nails it, you can’t blame the fans for not understanding the severity of the breakup when theres 0 context. For all we know it was some serious at the time business shit that’s totally repairable over time or Matt tried to fuck Pats wife, we don’t know and I don’t think it’s wrong to assume the best
“Mat and Pat are no longer friends, it just got less fun for them to record. The business side of the relationship degraded the fun itself.” Seems cut and dry for a channel called Super Best Friends Play…previously TWO Best friends play.
Do Woolie and Matt or Liam interract with one another? Because I know there's an unresolvable break between Pat and Matt, but I thought Woolie remained friends with all of them just fine.
Matt and Liam do tons of videos together. Pat and Woolie have streamed together a handful of times as well. I don't think that Woolie is very close to anyone but Pat anymore.
@@KaninUsagi woolie and mat were originally friends before he introduced pat to Matt
This is why the video they put out isn't good enough. You have people asking who's friends with who for years.
@@escalatingbarbarism5096 here's a thought: it's none of your business =)
@@randomfox12245- Here’s a thought: Don’t get pissy at people for asking innocent questions. 😊
Wow I guess being blunt is just being mean now and people who split aren’t allowed to air grief about hearing the same shit they want to move on from, good job gang
Woolie handled this very well. He explained why the viewer's comment was wrong without coming across as angry or condescending. Good guy, Woolie!
All they did was ask a question and they put the commentor on blast, all he had to say is won't happen and keep it going, to keep talking and talking about it he became "that person"
Maybe if they would act like men and resolve their differences and not overly emotional women, they could actually make their fans happy and not forsake them all.
In my perspective its just a lot of mixed feelings. Ive never suggested you guys reuinte ever out of respect but its hard not really knowing what happened. "Matt and Pat just arent friends anymore" obviously isnt everything. But its not like you are gonna spill the T so its fine. But ubderstand thats how a lot of people feel. One day you guys just werent friends anymore and because we dont know the extent of it some people dont see it as a big deal. Not gonna lie I thought the final video was a joke for the first minute or so.
I would have totally screamed when are the Beatles coming back to John Lennon.
Woolie handling this very well and patiently. These moments always make me realise how bad of a public figure i'd be.
Matt and Pat are not making up. Get over it
glad you grabbed this would be really hard to watch the stream now
fcking twitch
Seems like a massive overkill response to someone who probably was just a fan of Super Best Friends and wondered if they'd ever do anything together again. He should have just said "No sorry it isn't going to happen, ever" and left it at that.
Woolie handled this pretty well, but there are some nuances. One, the whole reason of why they stopped was never revealed so it's kinda inevitable that questions would be asked even years later. To go with the band analogy, members are pretty much asked every interview anyway so it should be expected. Two, game grumps did a reunion video so precedent has been established. The analogy of the band thing isn't great overall though because these internet guys are far more accessible so the etiquette is different. Third, when you chose a low impact social-type career of streaming and playing games, you don't get that same degree of privacy. It's part of the job to be successful in that arena.
They can't answer that they fought and stuff, if they said anything negative their solo content would take a hit as it would leave a sour taste in your mind. Basically as a die hard one can tell pat just isn't friends with Matt and Liam Period
@@MGrey-qb5xz That too. Incentivized hiding or something.
What the fuck do you mean precedent? Oh these guys made up, so now as a let's play channel that means YOU ALL have to make up because you all do let's plays together. That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
@@normalguycap It does seem that their content has taken a hit in some ways, many of the old hands would rather talk about the old days on reddit then actually watch the new content. But very likely not the hit they would've taken had it been clear in the likely very negative way I can only now (by token of their inability to provide much otherwise) assume. I think its likely due to being somewhat consistent in terms of the content those members provide.
"Third, when you chose a low impact social-type career of streaming and playing games, you don't get that same degree of privacy."
This. This is something Woolie has struggled with throughout the TBFP timeline to his modern channel. He wants to control the narrative and the image of what is presented. He has always struggled with this. It is hard to sympathize at his point of his career.
@@Gungho73 wholly agree, thank you for your input.
I am a-ok with the boys going their separate ways, pat and woolie still do superbeast ((as far as I know)) and Im ok with that.
It's still sad that we didn't get a better explanation but I guess we didn't deserve one
Liam is kinda a whiney bitch, that's really where it comes from.
The explanation was more transparent than most. Matt and Pat are no longer friends. I remember even other TH-cam folks like the dudes at OneyPlays, DingDong and Julian praised them for being so open with the situation. This comment is the equivalent of getting a nude pic from someone but being like “….but you didn’t put the camera INSIDE your butthole”
@@PoopFartNut I have no idea who those people are that you mentioned but yeah I guess you're right people just suddenly stop being friends after many years
@@PoopFartNut um because Ding Dong was bullied into unaliving himself by Game Grumps
@@PoopFartNutthey weren't open at all. Matt's wife hates Paige and pat.
This hit me hard I've been on a sbf binge ATM and wanted to know if the guys mentioned anything about the Chanel recently. I love there own stuff there doing Mats what if are great pat's streams are enjoyable i don't watch Woolie as much as i should cause the guys commentary is great. But at the end there was nothing like them and will never be again. I think it would be better for the fans to know that after these years away they are friend once more or at least talking every now and again
Reggie answered it lol
damn matt must of really hit a nerve with woolie, he probably thought they were friends and not business partners lol
You're talking a lot for someone who just as much as anybody else has no idea what went down.
What’re you on?
@@WeCareAlot4693 Matt's wife called Paige a nazi and called pat himself a pos for wanting to fix his relationship with Liam. This ironically made Liam awkward as he had no idea any of this was happening
@@angellara7040Matts wife is the Yoko Ono. Shes toxic and woke minded as hell.
@@WeCareAlot4693It was Matts wife.