The Secrets of A Hand Saw
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Starting a hand saw can be a pain, but with a few quick tricks starting, even the biggest of hand saws can be east. all it takes is time to learn the skill!
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Mind-blowing! The bottom horn control is a revelation. Your straightening the cut method feels like martial arts practice. Awesome video, thanks!
great tutorial James, I've been teaching my grandson woodwork techniques, when I explained that each saw tooth can only "bite" into, as much wood as the depth of the gullet between the teeth, I explained that the saw plate weight was key, once he stopped trying to press the teeth deeper and to relax his grip and down pressure it was a "lightbulb moment" for him. Less effort, less breathlessness, binding, more control...I call this technique "Guide and Slide". It expanded his interest once he realised you can "work smarter, not harder". I hope this helps others new to woodworking, and find sawing a chore.
My father was a shipwright, and he taught me a cool trick. If you look at the reflection of the board your trying to cut, and that reflection is lined up, you know your square on the board.
First time I have ever seen anyone tell me how to use a hand saw correctly. I thank you!
One of these things that I know somewhat instinctively by this point, but it's good to get the reminder verbally, especially about the stopping immediately on drift and moving back up.
The saw/hand/elbow/shoulder alignment was something I learned years ago and it seems to be a very common problem. Excellent advice on that to use a camera!
To get straighter cuts use more teeth. You know how a longer plane makes a flatter surface? Same with a saw. Lower the handle so more teeth are engaged and you can saw straighter, easier.
James the great wordworker.
Just ordered my first rip saw. This video is a great tutorial. Thanks.
Just what I needed to fill a gap in my knowledge. Thanks very much.
Thank you for sharing the ‘secrets’.
The lesson I learned, from watching you use hand saws, was that I let my elbow stick out to the side, making an angled (Unsquare) cut. Keeping the elbow IN LINE with the saw made the difference. That along with learning how to easily sharpen and set a saw, with basic hand tools, was next.
You are a very good teacher, The really good ones teach more than what your saying and demonstrating. Much is conveyed by the WAY your teaching. I may not be saying this quite right, sorry
thanks man. that means a lot.
great video man thank you, the info on the Japanese saw was a little gratuitous but I got a lot from this
Covers western and japanese saws - very nice.
Well done James. Yes, I have watched Shannon but somehow I prefer listening to yours.
That's a beautiful saw, James
That is the best, most concise video I have seen on hand saws usage and troubleshooting. Great resource, thanks James! 👍
I taut I saw a Puddy Tat. I did, I did! Great video yet again mate.
Damn James, you are like a physical therapist for sawyers. But if you play back at 2x speed you become the Richard Simonds of handtools. (get it, Simonds...)
Great video for getting the hang of these tricky tools!
Thanks for all your time and effort.
Great video; clear and easy to understand. For me the hardest "feel" was balancing the saw weight on the horn and third finger. Once I could feel that, the rest fell "into alignment". Nowadays I am more likely to pick up my hand saws for a quick cut or two rather than break out the power. My replacements made hand sawing easier rather than more painful. Thanks. :)
Great video! Thanks!!!
Well.... That was a quick refreshing-course of what my old crafts-teacher told me, back in '79. =) Well done, good sir!
Great summary of all sawing tips in one place.......I never SAW that coming!
You're such a wonderful teacher! Thanks James!
The real take home for me was the bottom horn tip. Thanks for that.
Never knew that bottom horn was so important. Thanks for all the great information.
That's what she said!
Thanks James. This was an excellent tutorial that explains a lot of the sawdust and strangely shaped wood on the floor of my shop. One of the best.
Love this video!! Thank you!!
Maybe try a mirror for the alignment issue. Then it’s real time and you can see what you’re doing without having to reset your position.
I'm not usually one for cutting remarks, but we all saw what you did there.
Thanks for the video Jim. I learned years ago the incorrect way to correct a cut that goes offline. Subsequently, I usually ended with a cut that definitely needed planed.
Thank you for the knowledge.
When starting, commit to the cut.
Another great video as usual. 👍
I'll preface what I'm about to say by pointing out that I'm an ignorant American who owns some Japanese saws. With a Ryoba, I like to choke my hand up all the way to the base of the plate, put my index finger on the plate, and let the handle rest on the inside of my forearm. It's surprisingly comfortable for me and keeps my arm aligned when I'm making precise cuts. My apologies to any Japanese carpenters who will cringe while reading about my technique.
great video, I like the additional weight added, food is good
Great video as always.
Nice info James thanks
There always seems to be that 1 extra tip that I didn’t know in all your videos thanks
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Thank you for breaking it down so easily. I am correct, (Left) handed and was never able to saw a straight line. My father was a carpenter all his life and could never teach me to saw straight because I was a lefty. He just gave up and taught me to use a circular saw instead.
Good one keep them coming
Very informative. Thank you.
This is really helpful - thank you!
If you want to adjust the cut of a pullsaw you can use your off-hand to push the plate sideways on the far side.
Thanks good video!!!! I am using Western saws and Japanese style saws. i first teached my self using a riyoba and actually i build my entire working bench with it- best sawing class but with time i have noticed some disadvantages...and i started using Western saws style after watching: Rex, Paul sellers and your videos on TH-cam learn how to set the teeth and the Geometry and from there....well love when the saw know what to do....im just holding it 😊
Thanks for sharing those tips and the make!
Thanks for a really informative video James.
To start sawing easily, a rip cut for example, tilt saw stroke up a little, let teeth exist the endgrain side instead of the face on the back, assuming your are cutting on push strokes. It is a good trick James demonstrated several times in previous videos. It is also a popular trick in traiditional Chinese woodworking. Another trick is for planing. Arrange the end of a board close to you higher than the other, and plane slightly downwards. It makes planing easier.
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Fantastic tips, James! Thanks a bunch! 😃
Unfortunately I just can't use western saws, because of my shoulder... Perhaps one with less set and perhaps smaller tooth... Who knows. But whenever I can I'm going to try it!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
As for how to practice sawing, get a pile of firewood and cut it by hand using a bow or buck saw.
Nice. I saw what you did there.
excellent video.. you've recently answered a few of my questions in comment sections and there were answered to questions I hadn't thought to ask yet in this video... thanks again for what you do... imma head to your site right quick and get somma that there paste wax!!
thanks man. let me know if there is something you want to see a video on?
Love your videos
New king of first! nice work!
Great sawing tips and information. What if you are using a modern saw that doesn’t have the horns on the handle?
Enjoying your videos btw.
The songs that you buy in The Big box store are not meant for woodworking. They are tools for a carpenter building a house. You can still get good modern saws with the horns just not going to find them at the hardware store.
My son in law has said there is no saw, hand or powered, that he can cut straight with. And he's done a fair job of proving it. Then he watched me cutting some repurposed stuff down and wondered at the ease. Thought I was going to have to wrestle him to get my recently sharpened and set little saw back.
Well, I'm not sure I saw that video coming.
I think I saw it before...
James, very helpful video. I am a beginner and am trying to move away from power tools (miter saw, table saw ) as I find hand tools way more enjoyable , dust free and I can still have my 3 year old around to watch me which he truly enjoys 🙂 I use western saws mostly primarily because I want to learn the art of re-sharpening too (just like I am doing with my chisels and planes). I am sawing lot better than I used to 6-8 months ago but I still struggle starting a cut even with a dovetail saw - no matter how much I try to relax myself but maybe I am still putting more force than I need to and I feel like the saw is biting into the wood even before I can slide it! I use a veritas 14tpi dovetail saw which is relatively new and premium quality I would assume and hence very less likely that it is an issue with the saw. I have a spear and jackson tenon saw which is cheaper but surprisingly I find that easier to trace a straight line with (I bend down and try to keep the saw length as much in straight line/near parallel to the line I have drawn. I am not sure that is always the right technique). Any additional pointers would be very helpful.
Practicing moving the saw back and forth with out engaging the saw it a really useful excursive. let it slide on your thumb and just kiss the wood every few teeth.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Can you make a video about "secrets of european style frame saw"? How to grip it, how to correct the cut and so on? Please, it´s hanging right behind you :-D
@@goodreek I second that request! I love my frame saw, but I'd love to learn more about proper technique.
Thanks for the video, very informative. I'm trying to do more hand tool work, and sawing straight has been my downfall. I'm looking forward to applying what you have shown.
Mastering the saw makes every other skill so much easier.
First! Enjoy the videos; keep up the good work.
James thank you for the information and video. Would you please make a video on frame saws.
that is a good Idea. I might have to think about that one.
Point it where you want it to go 🎉
How you James wrong 👍🏼 it’s me the guy that puts you right 😉
"A little less stroke in your saw"........well some things just happen with age lol
Hi James I love hand tools and really appreciate your videos. Can you please tell me how do you like to strip varnish off of a brand new panel saw. Thank you very much!
Usually I use a card scraper. The side of a chisel also works pretty well to scrape it off.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo thanks but I don’t mean a spill or drips of varnish. I mean when the saw comes new with a finish on the saw steel. Not the handle either.
Yes. I scrape it off. If you are looking for a chemical answer most any paint stripper will do it.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo thank you James 🧡
Great vid. I have a back problem and sometimes I need to sit down in front of my work to saw. Been struggling with alignment and haven’t really cracked it yet. Wondered if you have any tips?
If you think about a saw bench where you kneel on the board and aim the sawdown and then you rotate your whole body to work at a bench vise your body is in the same position but you're pointing it at the wall now. If you're sitting down it's all in the same position. But now your angling up and pointing more towards the ceiling. So you have to rotate your body to match. You want to keep the same posture. You just rotate around the board. Does that make sense?
@@WoodByWrightHowTo I’ll give that a try. Thanks James
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If you put a pin on the tooth side of the saw it should slide all the way off the en d that how you no the teeth are set but that won’t tell you how sharp the teeth are 👍🏼
Ok you are trying to make a cross cut on a 4" x 3/4" piece of wood. The wood is in the bench hook. The 4" length is on top. How do you get the saw plate perfectly vertical and the cut started so that the cut is square across the 3/4" dimension?
Mark a line on the board and cut to it. If you have a shiny saw you can look at the reflection in the saw and it will tell you if your saw is 90° or off. But to get a truly accurate square cut from one side is a good bit of skill. And the only way to get that skill is to mess it up a lot and keep trying over and over again. That's why most people cut just a little ways away from the line and then clean it up on a shooting board.
The "put some weight into the saw" bit probably needs expansion. A big beginner mistake is to try to push the saw down with the cut. You spoke about holding the wight of the saw up, but once you're going, how much do you hold the saw up or press the saw down? My thinking has always been to let the saw do the work and so once you've got the cut going, neither lift nor press the saw: it's own weight will be enough while you just move it back and forth. Sawing upside down... well that's another matter.
And speaking of other matters: any recommendations for ripping? Every time I try to do rips with hand tools is an experience of regret and makes me long for the power tools. Good rip saw recommendations and technique advice would be appreciated.
I generally let the saw weight do its work. However, in some instances I put a little bit of weight into the saw or take a little weight off. Depending upon the speed I want to go or the cleanliness of the cut. The more weight you put into it the better the chance it's going to turn or give you a rough cut, but you will go a little faster. As to ripsaws. There are very few good newly made hand saw. Bad axe has started making them and you can get them from Linqs and pax but the handles on those are atrocious and you usually have to refile them to fit your hand and make them comfortable to use. Generally, if you want a good rip sod, a decent price, it's finding an antique.
Is this one of the reasons so many used saws are bent?
Here is a video on that. th-cam.com/video/cyuf6ZT8KpE/w-d-xo.html
Also, would it be possible to get a 3D scan of a good handle and then just print it in plastic? (I know, not proper wooden feel but as a cheapo option.)
The problem is plastic isn't as strong and you'd have to make it more beefy in the connection points. I have played with a few of them like that and you're right they don't feel good. But you can make several different sizes too. Make sure it fits your hand. That's why good quality and saws are sold by hand size. So you can actually order one to fit your hand.
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Work bow saws the same as panel saws?
much the same. I might have to do a video on those in a bit!
I saw what you did there
How do you align it in the center for very wide cuts say when you're resawing to make a wide board thinner. the board would tend to come out thicker on one side
I just put the line on the center of the teeth rather than on one side or the other. Sorry I'm probably missing something in the question. Rather than having the line going down one side of the curve. I have it right down the middle.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Thanks! I guess I should have said, like when you have the saw on the short edge of the board, cutting down the thin part. The other end of the saw wants to misbehave
Really appreciate all your videos 🙂
Dude I've just got something you might like it's a Paul Seller's router plane kit, I thought I'd throw it out there just incase you wanted to build another plane
I was thinking I might build one of his sometime soon. Have to wait for them to come back in stock. Also, Rex Krueger is going to have a router plane kit here soon too.
I'm a new woodworker, just got an old disston, I know it has 10ppi and very little set. I have never set a saw before, I did clean up and sharpen this one. Now I'm having some issues with binding, I have a good cut, straight and in line and don't have the issue with my other saws and the saw does seem straight, any idea what might be causing the bind?
sounds like there is not enough set on it.
Thank you. I thought that may be the problem but wanted to make sure.
I seen a video where Paul Sellers sets a saw with a hammer and a punch, not sure I want to attempt that.
Doing it by hammer actually works really well. Just understand it. May get more set on one side of the salt than the other. Usually if you do it by hammer I find I come back and stone the saw to bring it back into true.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Awesome, thank you again. Maybe I will give it a shot.
1000 grit diamond plate would work to stone the sides?
Yeah. I use an extra fine diamond plate for mine.
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I'm not sure I agree with Japanese saws being easier for beginners.
Cutting straight is (surprisingly and frustratingly) hard with any saw, it's just that Japanese or western saws are difficult in different ways. A western saw you need to be able to steer and keep straight, a Japanese saw you need to learn to perfectly align before starting. Both are hard to do, I find.
ALRIGHT EVERYBODY now I know I know I know that toughbuilt folding pull saw looks enticing, but I was simply cutting the shoulders of a tenon and lost a tooth. Then another. Then another. It's not worth the minor discount vs the suizan, just save your allowance for another week, maybe mow a lawn or two, but just get a real one lol
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Is your Japanese Saw missing a tooth?
That one is. I keep meaning to replace the blade on it. But then I grab my others. Lol
no one uses these saws anymore. this video is not relevant but love your channel
Lol there are hundreds of them sold every day now.
id disagree about one thing:
the idea of "once you master the push stroke saw you can do more with it". What would you want to do with it? The purpose of a handsaw is to cut straight. You do not cut curves with it. Rather than learning to fix your wonky saw line just learn to saw straight in the first place. What good is being able to correct your sawline if you already ruined the piece? If you got hidden joints then fine. But if the joints show not sawing on the line is already the point of no return. Of course you can leave space - but this only means more clean up work.
The time spent learning to correct our sawline is better spent learning to keep good saw alignment and not curving off in the first place.
Push stroke sawing is just a fundamentally flawed concept. You compress the saw which leads to inevitable buckling of the sawblade. Pull stroke keeps the sawblade under tension. Sure- if you got a monstrous saw like this the buckling isnt gonna matter a lot. And you can also use a saw with a spine. But thats only reducing the issue. It doesnt solve the problem. And both solutions come with their own bag of issues.
To this day no one has been able to communicate even once to me why push stroke saws still need to exist. I mean besides tradition. And i get it. I come from a *very* traditional woodworking field. And i have spent three years learning traditional techniques no one in their right mind even uses anymore today. And you CAN do great work with a push stroke saw.
And we had to learn to use them. But there simply is no reason why anyone should WANT to still learn that.
Note that this is about hand saws. There ARE saws that are made for cutting curves. These DO make more sense in a push configuration. Especially if we are talking about frame saws that are under symmetrical tension.
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2:31 I just did that with a buck saw and the blade bounced and hit my hand pretty bad.
I guess I'm to clumsy.
I'll stick to the old fashion way, slower, but safer.
Yeah that sounds like you didn't have much control over it. It's more difficult with larger size but still the easiest way to start it. Just don't let it bounce.