My first saw I want is your dovetail saw. Next would be your tenon saw. Ideally we would want them all, but could we get by and expect fairly decent results with the two saws mentioned above? Thanks
Another fantastic instructional vid! I am an information person, and by that I mean the more information I have about something the more comfortable I am about using or doing that something. I have enjoyed your vids on how to use a tool, make a cut, or build a “something”, and this was pure icing on the cake. Teaching someone WHY you want something done a particular way gets better results than just TELLING them to do it. And your chisel demo of a rip vs crosscut saw tooth was great! Thanks once again!
I am enchanted with ur saws plus ur way of teaching. Terminology and teeth cleared my questions especially the chisel demo. I hv undying intention to buy ur saw oneday.!!!
A Japanese saw works best when your material is horizontal and low, the angle of attack is quite low too; about 25⁰-40⁰, but you also need to vary the angle to get a straight cut. Because Japanese saws have such little set, they are hard to steer...... they will want to track the original line you started on. Watch someone who uses a Japanese saw, you will see that they dont continue the cut at the same angle, they will drop the handle end to get the backside tooth out of the cut and closer to your side; this makes it easier to steer. But after a few strokes with the handle dropped you will have to raise it again or the kerf will wander on the backside........ if you keep the handle dropped it will be on your line on your side, but way off line on the backside. The average Japanese saw is better for thinner stuff, it will struggle in thicker material, dont even think about resaw with the average Japanese saw 😂 An English style panel saw works best with the material low also, like on a sawing bench, but the angle of attack is higher, about 45⁰-60⁰. A panel saw is usually used for thinner material or "panels" that are already close to size, panel saws are for trimming...... hand saws are for material break down. Hand saws are usually around 5tpi rip, or 8tpi x-cut and about 26inch long. Panel saws are usually pitched finer for a better cut; 8-10 tpi rip, or 10-12 tpi x-cut and they are shorter at about 18-24inch. Breaking material down with a panel saw will take longer than with a handsaw, the cut will be rougher with a handsaw, but it is not the last tool to touch the wood so dont worry about how rough it is, a plane is gonna come along after and clean it. If you're lookin for a saw to break down materials I'd recommend a 5 tpi rip and an 8 tpi x-cut.... a panel saw for trimming I'd go for about 8 tpi rip and 10 tpi x-cut 😁
Rob I really want to thank you for regular teachings and your time that you have given. I hope at some point to donate to the Purple Heart. You are a blessing. Thank you.
Rob I admire your professionalism and integrity in creating an informative video while taking great care to be both forthcoming about your business and completely neutral in your presentation. It would have been easy for someone with lower professional standards to turn that type of video into a 30 minute infomercial. Thank you for not doing that.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Rob - I finally got up the nerve to try to sharpen my dovetail saw (yours I purchased a number of years ago). My It seemed to be successful. My question: should I use a different file for the smaller front teeth? It seems like the file for the larger teeth would be too big for them.
Can only say, I wish you were my carpentry teacher when I was at school Rob! I’ve learned more about saws in 20 minutes than I ever did there. - More importantly the cut they give you, and why! I can already feel my joints are going to be more professional/presentable, , , , , , , , , , I’m getting the urge to go make some dust! Thank you 🪚
I think taht is a great choice. Cheaper than buying a bunch of machines, no sawdust, you can get by with just a little space. Start outr smal, I recommend focus on boxes at first
Rob you explain everything so well, you remind me of my shop teacher in 9th grade.. A random question who gave you the 2nd ACR Tojour Pret Patch? I served in the 2nd in the 80's.
Great instruction! I am anxiously awaiting delivery of my dovetail saw. One of your crosscut saws is next on my list. Thank you for helping me understand the nuances of the different saw types. Have a Happy New Year!!!
Rob! Thank you for this video. The information was over the top for me. I have several of my grandfather's saws which I cherish, but didn't have a clue on their function. So therefore they just hung on the wall like trophies. Thanks to you, no more!
I've tried to use a backsaw before, I can't use them. Puts too much pressure in my shoulder believe it or not. Now, a pull saw, those I can use all day long. Wouldn't mind seeing your comparison of saws vs a pull saw. Cheers :)
Great saw education~! Until I acquired saws from your lineup, I'd always avoided using handsaws as much as possible (i.e., not much hand-tool work). I now look forward to using them and select projects that involve using them more. Excellent equipment~!! I've now resigned my pull-saws to general cut-off operations, as needed. :-)
Awesome, thanks Rob. Love the patches. I now have to look for the possibilities of you describing how you got em. I'm interested to know the back story.
Every PHP scholarship student gives me a patch to represent them and I sew it on my apron then the next class I replace my apron with a new apron and new patches
Be sure to watch the videos in Rob's Purple Heart Interviews playlist on his channel page. Your heart will be touched beyond belief. Also be sure to check out the PHP pages on Rob's website. Rob does so much for these heroes. You can tell how important it is to him when he talks about it on some of the Saturday night livestreams. (The interviews and stories on those are awesome, too!)
Extremely valuable episode. Very important to understand the difference in the physics of cross and rip cuts, and Rob’s teaching method and training aids were perfect. Save this one to your watchlist and review it until you can teach it yourself.
Thank you for a great site! I would sincerely love to buy one or more of you saws, but apparently you do not export to my country, South Africa. Is there any way to overcome this obstacle, please!
Great video, this, like many you've done over the last while, this is a reference video for us! One thing would help as we try to sharpen our own saws, you mentioned some angles for the tooth configuration but not all, this is critical to ongoing saw maintenance. I checked the full description of the saws you sell, they all are listed, even the cross cut as having a zero degree rake. You mention in this video that you relax the rake on your tenon saw by 3 or 4 degrees. Could you please clarify some of this, would help us tremendously in our attempt at using our saws for daily use. Thank you for all you do to preserve the craft of hand tool wood working.
Another superb illustrated lecture added to the list. This one on hand saw types and performance is an example of highly effective information delivery in a concentrated demonstration. Genius.
I’m 14 and I’m just starting to learn wood working after finding my grandfathers hand tools and restoring them I have two rip saws a hand drill two cross cut saws an axe and a hatchet I’m making my own lumber and frankly just having fun I’m happy to have informative videos like this thank you
Thank you for sharing your knowledge with these videos. You explain what works and why from the perspective of the user which I value. I am hoping to get your saws soon. Keep posting it is inspiring and helpful.
Good review of saw terminology, design and use. Just received my first Cosman saw but have not used it yet but looking forward to it. Been out on the mill cutting pecan.
Interesting video, Rob, very useful and informative. Thank you. I have two bench saws, (three, but it's only used occasionally for larger tenons) both of which are filed for rip cuts. I have my vintage 15tpi dovetail saw with a progressive rake, 15 degrees first inch of plate, 10 degrees the second inch with the remaining teeth filed at 5 degrees. My other saw is a 12tpi tenon saw with the same teeth configuration as above, again filed for rip cut. In all honesty with teeth that small, cross cutting has never been an issue, no tear out on the cross cuts etc. Should you ever work with brittle or difficult words then scoring across the grain with a knife will take care of that. Most hobby woodworkers need little excuses to buy more tools, and why not. However, I found that having to look for and consider another saw of similar size and dimension with a different tooth configuration on the bench was less productive for me. Besides, sharpening cross cut teeth on teeth that small is a lot more challenging than rip cut filing, particularly if ones eyesight is not what it once was. I can sharpen the teeth on my dovetail saw in under 5 minutes from the point of realising it needs a touch up to cutting again with newly sharpened teeth. The key is to do it relatively often so little in the way of jointing the teeth is required That said, all of my saws are vintage which I have been refurbished myself. You are quite correct in saying it does not take too long to learn to file the teeth, although it's a little more challenging if the saw teeth are in poor condition as jointing and reshaping of the teeth is required although even in worse case scenarios a plate can be completely jointed flat, removing all teeth (often quicker than reshaping a badly filed set of teeth) with the being re cut, set and sharpened in a couple of hours. I would follow your suggestion, in that anyone interested should procure some old saws and learn to bring them back to life. The process becomes quite addictive and you will soon find it a straight forward process. The only possible downside is, you may find your pals asking you to sharpen their saws for them, something you may or may not wish to do but its fun and satisfying to know you can do it. Good luck.
Rob, thanks for illustrative demonstration how rip and crosscut saws work. Nothing less, you done again great job as usual in all your videos. Thank you.
Hi Rob, Very informative video regarding back saws, thank you. I have a question...are the older saws that are available in flea markets and eBay comparable in quality and blade steel of the modern quality saws available today ? Your videos are very informative and the information is put across in a clear, understandable and easy to follow manner...thank you as I'm sure they are helping many fellow woodworkers.
Yes the blade steel is virtually unchanged. First is how saw fits in your hand, then look down the tooth line a see if the plate is straight or wiggly. If not straight put it down. If all that is ok you will likely need to joint and sharpen the saw, possibly reset the saw or maybe stone to saw to remove set
This is one of the best videos I have seen about this subject. Great teaching style as well. You say what you are going to teach then discuss it and then summarize it. Very dense information, sometimes like drinking from a fire hose but dispenses with all of the chitchat that unnecessarily prolongs so many woodworking videos. I had to watch it several times. Thanks for what you do for your community and best wishes for continued success in the New Year. Cheers from rural Ohio.
Simply a classic. Rob know saws like Bubba knows shrimp. Not only a well trained and skilled saw user but a maker of perhaps the finest saws on the planet, and on top of all that a friend to all his customers. Thanks again Rob and Jake and may 2021 be another good year for you and your family.
Rob, I have to say watch many of you videos and I do like your approach to woodworking and learning. Your videos make you feel as if were standing in the shop with you! Just want tell you thanks, its obvious you love what you do! Steven Columbus Michigan
You should be able to determine if the set is adequate by sawing. If it is difficult to keep the Saul on a straight line this may be an indication that the set is too much. This means the Saul is creating a wide kerf and allowing the Saw to wander. Two little srt the saw will bog down or get stuck in the kerf, this is an uncommon problem
It seems almost everyone suggests that rip teeth can't be used for cross-cut purposes, except for the roughest, nastiest purposes. I have found that you can use a rip saw with higher pitch than a cross-cut saw to cut cross-cut at the same or better rate with a clean cut. Certainly a 4-point rip saw will cut rougher than an 8-point panel saw, but it will also cut many times faster. A 12-point rip saw may cut just as fast or faster than the 8-point cross cut saw, and not be significantly rougher. I found my epiphany reading the writings of Tage Frid, who wrote that when a cross-cut saw gets dull he sharpens it rip, so that virtually all of his saws had rip teeth. I did some experimenting and I was surprised at how well rip saws work in cross-cutting applications. My experience seems to be at odds with what the majority of woodworkers will say will work, but that's what I have found.
Sure a rip will crosscut and a crosscut will rip. But we aretalking backsaws for fine furnture joinery in this video not panel asws for rough sawing. I use my rip to crosscut the end pins on my dovetails. So yes you can do it but for any complicated joing, E.g. mortise and tenon where I really want a clean joint I will reach for the correct saw
Very informative video! (as usual) With regards to the round/file handled saw (at about the 16:07 mark), isn't that called a gent's saw? In either case, they don't look to be as comfortable as open grip pistol saws.
Nice tutorial Rob. I'm excited to get my small joinery crosscut saw, should arrive next week. Thank you for explaining things so well in a way that I can understand! And thank you for the PHP, you are doing good work my friend....
Rob....Love your vids and have all your saws, sharpening stones and a few of your chisels. But absolutely hate the new intro to your presentations. Have a good new year!
@@RobCosmanWoodworking The "we make it our job..." intro that accompanies all your new videos now. Way way too close to the camera. Feels like your finger is going to poke me in the eye. Very annoying!!!
I just like the old way I guess, where you are on through the total point of the vid. ( no cut away and always had a fresh start to each project. Don't get me wrong. I really do think that you do a professional and informative job on every topic.
I wish that I could justify the purchase of a Cosman saw, but alas...I'll have to look for someone to teach me how to restore and sharpen an old one of qulaity. Now that is the hitch. I am not sure of current quality either...
@@RobCosmanWoodworking couple of smooth talkers, like the sharpest tool in the shed. Lol Happy New Year Mr. Cosman an thankyou for taking care of our veterans.
Very good info, I was waiting on to see when you are starting to advertise or blow your own horn? Actually, right in the beginning… Interesting enough, after all it’s your show and you are not going to promote a Lie Nielsen over yours… It’s been a while since I commented last, not always to your liking since I don’t “kiss up “ like others… I wonder how longer I can read my comment before you are going to remove it?
Check out all my saws here: robcosman.com/collections/saws
My first saw I want is your dovetail saw. Next would be your tenon saw. Ideally we would want them all, but could we get by and expect fairly decent results with the two saws mentioned above? Thanks
No, as they aren’t very effective at cross cutting. The first two I would recommend would be the Joinery Crosscut and Dovetail, but not in that order.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking I am saving for the dovetail saw(Maybe the kerf x) with it. Dovetail first?
Yes thats what I recomend
This was awesome. I am a better woodworker by watching this amazing video. Great job . Thank you.
Thank you.
Another fantastic instructional vid! I am an information person, and by that I mean the more information I have about something the more comfortable I am about using or doing that something. I have enjoyed your vids on how to use a tool, make a cut, or build a “something”, and this was pure icing on the cake. Teaching someone WHY you want something done a particular way gets better results than just TELLING them to do it. And your chisel demo of a rip vs crosscut saw tooth was great! Thanks once again!
So glad it was helpful
By far the best lesson on handsaws I've seen !!! Simply amazing !!!
I am enchanted with ur saws plus ur way of teaching. Terminology and teeth cleared my questions especially the chisel demo. I hv undying intention to buy ur saw oneday.!!!
Thanks for the video, I have a couple of the Rob Cosman saws and love them.
You really are a master Rob. Had never even heard the word fleam before!! Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge.
Now I know why my haircuts are always bad - barber needs a crosscut saw not a rip saw! Lol. Thanks for the amazing demo and examples!
Thanks for this video Rob! What about panel saws though? I'm using a Japanese pull saw for long rips and I can't stay to the line for the life of me!
A Japanese saw works best when your material is horizontal and low, the angle of attack is quite low too; about 25⁰-40⁰, but you also need to vary the angle to get a straight cut. Because Japanese saws have such little set, they are hard to steer...... they will want to track the original line you started on. Watch someone who uses a Japanese saw, you will see that they dont continue the cut at the same angle, they will drop the handle end to get the backside tooth out of the cut and closer to your side; this makes it easier to steer. But after a few strokes with the handle dropped you will have to raise it again or the kerf will wander on the backside........ if you keep the handle dropped it will be on your line on your side, but way off line on the backside. The average Japanese saw is better for thinner stuff, it will struggle in thicker material, dont even think about resaw with the average Japanese saw 😂
An English style panel saw works best with the material low also, like on a sawing bench, but the angle of attack is higher, about 45⁰-60⁰. A panel saw is usually used for thinner material or "panels" that are already close to size, panel saws are for trimming...... hand saws are for material break down. Hand saws are usually around 5tpi rip, or 8tpi x-cut and about 26inch long. Panel saws are usually pitched finer for a better cut; 8-10 tpi rip, or 10-12 tpi x-cut and they are shorter at about 18-24inch. Breaking material down with a panel saw will take longer than with a handsaw, the cut will be rougher with a handsaw, but it is not the last tool to touch the wood so dont worry about how rough it is, a plane is gonna come along after and clean it.
If you're lookin for a saw to break down materials I'd recommend a 5 tpi rip and an 8 tpi x-cut.... a panel saw for trimming I'd go for about 8 tpi rip and 10 tpi x-cut 😁
Rob I really want to thank you for regular teachings and your time that you have given. I hope at some point to donate to the Purple Heart. You are a blessing. Thank you.
Giving to a worthy cause makes you feel warm inside
Rob I admire your professionalism and integrity in creating an informative video while taking great care to be both forthcoming about your business and completely neutral in your presentation. It would have been easy for someone with lower professional standards to turn that type of video into a 30 minute infomercial. Thank you for not doing that.
Thanks, we try very hard in these video to be agnostic....well as much as I can be
Excellent comment. Totally agree.
Thanks for the info. I just know about rip & cross teeth saw
Great explanation, and for those questioning their ability to sharpen, just practice, it doesn't hurt to try.
Right on
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Rob - I finally got up the nerve to try to sharpen my dovetail saw (yours I purchased a number of years ago). My It seemed to be successful. My question: should I use a different file for the smaller front teeth? It seems like the file for the larger teeth would be too big for them.
Beautiful explanation of rip vs. crosscut, Rob. The little models and the chisel demos make it so crystal clear. Nicely done!
Can only say, I wish you were my carpentry teacher when I was at school Rob!
I’ve learned more about saws in 20 minutes than I ever did there. - More importantly the cut they give you, and why!
I can already feel my joints are going to be more professional/presentable, , , , , ,
, , , , I’m getting the urge to go make some dust! Thank you 🪚
Thanks...You showld go make sawdust better yet make shavings
I'm Chinese.Thank you!you're woodwork master!My English very poor!l learned so much!Thank you!
Thank you for your knowledge
I nearly had a STROKE when I first herd your PITCH but now that I SAW this I can say I'm all SET.
Nice presentation thanks
Another great video Rob. I love your saws, they always cut straight and true.
Thnaks I really appreciate that
Excellent video Rob, great format!
Thank you! I learned a lot! I am really leaning towards hand tools as a beginner.
Have plenty of band aids around.
I think taht is a great choice. Cheaper than buying a bunch of machines, no sawdust, you can get by with just a little space. Start outr smal, I recommend focus on boxes at first
Great lesson on backsaw
Thx
Pura vida guys great video and value information you shared it my amigo Rob pura vida
great video
Thx
A lot interesting and fulfilling all the doubts, if any. Just can't wait to receive my dovetail saw!!! I'm sure it will improve my skills...
Yes it will. Thanks for watching and commenting
Thanks for great lesson!! Take care!
Glad you liked it! thanks for commenting
Kudos for the US Special Operations patch. Great video. Very informative.
Go SF or Go Home !!!!!!
Great video Rob, Thank you!
Excellent video Rob. Packed with useful and interesting information. Thank you. 👍🏻
So glad you liked it and thanks for commenting
A very useful lesson 👍🏼
Thx
Rob thank you so much help ,I now understand saws better. Julien
Great....Its a lot of info to absorb
Dear Rob, I am very much inspired by your enthusiasm. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Your presentation is just superb.
Thanks Rob, great video. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
So glad you liked it and took the time to comment...Thnaks
Rob you explain everything so well, you remind me of my shop teacher in 9th grade.. A random question who gave you the 2nd ACR Tojour Pret Patch? I served in the 2nd in the 80's.
Just received my first Cosman saw, the dovetail saw. It’s a gorgeous tool. Can’t wait to use it. And I’m going to get others as well. Thanks Rob.
Go make some dovetails!!
Really, really a great video. I saved it on my "saw" playlist. Thanks so much for that Rob.
You bet. What video should we make next
@@RobCosmanWoodworking how to build a raised panel with only hand tools but without a specific plane,..
Hi, I'm Uthuman, I like your teaching, your work and I like to meet you
Great instruction! I am anxiously awaiting delivery of my dovetail saw. One of your crosscut saws is next on my list. Thank you for helping me understand the nuances of the different saw types. Have a Happy New Year!!!
So glad you found it helpful. Happy new year
Rob! Thank you for this video. The information was over the top for me. I have several of my grandfather's saws which I cherish, but didn't have a clue on their function. So therefore they just hung on the wall like trophies. Thanks to you, no more!
Thanks Professor Cos. Great explanation of the difference in saws. Happy New Year to you and yours.
Happy new year to you
I've tried to use a backsaw before, I can't use them. Puts too much pressure in my shoulder believe it or not. Now, a pull saw, those I can use all day long. Wouldn't mind seeing your comparison of saws vs a pull saw. Cheers :)
I don’t use or like pull saws so i dont think i could give them a fair shot
Great saw education~! Until I acquired saws from your lineup, I'd always avoided using handsaws as much as possible (i.e., not much hand-tool work). I now look forward to using them and select projects that involve using them more. Excellent equipment~!! I've now resigned my pull-saws to general cut-off operations, as needed. :-)
Being able to use a handsaw gives you super power
Man you explain things and demonstrate them so well. Helps so much. Thank you
Thats what we try to do.
Great video Rob and crew! Happy New Year!
Happy new year to you
Very informative.
Glad you liked it
Very informative and interesting. Thankyou! One thing I couldn’t quite make out was the name of the joinery book with the vise build in it?
Tage Frid, Taunton press, three book series, the one on joinery.
thanks rob so much good information.
Your welcome, thanks for watching
@@RobCosmanWoodworking thank u. I wish I could b one tenth good as u rob.
You should do a video about Japanese saws vs western saws. The Japanese pull saws seem to be very popular with all the recommended channels on TH-cam.
Awesome, thanks Rob. Love the patches. I now have to look for the possibilities of you describing how you got em. I'm interested to know the back story.
Every PHP scholarship student gives me a patch to represent them and I sew it on my apron then the next class I replace my apron with a new apron and new patches
Be sure to watch the videos in Rob's Purple Heart Interviews playlist on his channel page. Your heart will be touched beyond belief. Also be sure to check out the PHP pages on Rob's website. Rob does so much for these heroes. You can tell how important it is to him when he talks about it on some of the Saturday night livestreams. (The interviews and stories on those are awesome, too!)
Extremely valuable episode. Very important to understand the difference in the physics of cross and rip cuts, and Rob’s teaching method and training aids were perfect. Save this one to your watchlist and review it until you can teach it yourself.
Thnaks Ebby
If given the choice, straight vs tapered, is there a huge benefit with one over the other?
Nope.
Great video. So informative.
Thank you!
Thank you for a great site!
I would sincerely love to buy one or more of you saws, but apparently you do not export to my country, South Africa. Is there any way to overcome this obstacle, please!
Great video, this, like many you've done over the last while, this is a reference video for us! One thing would help as we try to sharpen our own saws, you mentioned some angles for the tooth configuration but not all, this is critical to ongoing saw maintenance. I checked the full description of the saws you sell, they all are listed, even the cross cut as having a zero degree rake. You mention in this video that you relax the rake on your tenon saw by 3 or 4 degrees. Could you please clarify some of this, would help us tremendously in our attempt at using our saws for daily use. Thank you for all you do to preserve the craft of hand tool wood working.
The rake on the first 2 inches is relaxed for easy starting. I will update the website. Thanks
aaahhh my day is complete....
Time for a beer
@@RobCosmanWoodworking ha ha You read my mind mate.... a beer, a saw and a plane in the shed for the arvo sounds like a plan mate :)
Another superb illustrated lecture added to the list. This one on hand saw types and performance is an example of highly effective information delivery in a concentrated demonstration. Genius.
I am saving so I can buy a Cosman saw.
Good decision
Thank you Rob, Jake ,Frick amazing video lots of information great way of explaining it . Thats the second video today 😁
Luther is the brains behind our videos. He develops them, produces, edits, and post them. Glad you like them. I will tell Luther
I’m 14 and I’m just starting to learn wood working after finding my grandfathers hand tools and restoring them I have two rip saws a hand drill two cross cut saws an axe and a hatchet I’m making my own lumber and frankly just having fun I’m happy to have informative videos like this thank you
Thank you for sharing your knowledge with these videos. You explain what works and why from the perspective of the user which I value. I am hoping to get your saws soon. Keep posting it is inspiring and helpful.
Glad it was helpful! You keep watching and commenting and I will keep filming
Good review of saw terminology, design and use. Just received my first Cosman saw but have not used it yet but looking forward to it. Been out on the mill cutting pecan.
Hope you enjoy it!
Have you found that new saw set pliers are inferior to older, used models? What do you use to adjust set on your dovetails saw?
Interesting video, Rob, very useful and informative. Thank you.
I have two bench saws, (three, but it's only used occasionally for larger tenons) both of which are filed for rip cuts. I have my vintage 15tpi dovetail saw with a progressive rake, 15 degrees first inch of plate, 10 degrees the second inch with the remaining teeth filed at 5 degrees. My other saw is a 12tpi tenon saw with the same teeth configuration as above, again filed for rip cut. In all honesty with teeth that small, cross cutting has never been an issue, no tear out on the cross cuts etc. Should you ever work with brittle or difficult words then scoring across the grain with a knife will take care of that.
Most hobby woodworkers need little excuses to buy more tools, and why not. However, I found that having to look for and consider another saw of similar size and dimension with a different tooth configuration on the bench was less productive for me. Besides, sharpening cross cut teeth on teeth that small is a lot more challenging than rip cut filing, particularly if ones eyesight is not what it once was. I can sharpen the teeth on my dovetail saw in under 5 minutes from the point of realising it needs a touch up to cutting again with newly sharpened teeth. The key is to do it relatively often so little in the way of jointing the teeth is required
That said, all of my saws are vintage which I have been refurbished myself. You are quite correct in saying it does not take too long to learn to file the teeth, although it's a little more challenging if the saw teeth are in poor condition as jointing and reshaping of the teeth is required although even in worse case scenarios a plate can be completely jointed flat, removing all teeth (often quicker than reshaping a badly filed set of teeth) with the being re cut, set and sharpened in a couple of hours.
I would follow your suggestion, in that anyone interested should procure some old saws and learn to bring them back to life. The process becomes quite addictive and you will soon find it a straight forward process. The only possible downside is, you may find your pals asking you to sharpen their saws for them, something you may or may not wish to do but its fun and satisfying to know you can do it. Good luck.
Rob, thanks for illustrative demonstration how rip and crosscut saws work. Nothing less, you done again great job as usual in all your videos. Thank you.
And Happy New Year to you and yours.
Excellent video Rob. Very informative and your props were fantastic for illustrating the points you made. Thank you for sharing it.
Hoping to pickup a cosman dovetail saw soon
I have one waiting for you
Rob what is the book you mentioned?
Hi Rob,
Very informative video regarding back saws, thank you. I have a question...are the older saws that are available in flea markets and eBay comparable in quality and blade steel of the modern quality saws available today ?
Your videos are very informative and the information is put across in a clear, understandable and easy to follow manner...thank you as I'm sure they are helping many fellow woodworkers.
Yes the blade steel is virtually unchanged. First is how saw fits in your hand, then look down the tooth line a see if the plate is straight or wiggly. If not straight put it down. If all that is ok you will likely need to joint and sharpen the saw, possibly reset the saw or maybe stone to saw to remove set
Many thanks for the reply. Much appreciated 👍
This is one of the best videos I have seen about this subject. Great teaching style as well. You say what you are going to teach then discuss it and then summarize it. Very dense information, sometimes like drinking from a fire hose but dispenses with all of the chitchat that unnecessarily prolongs so many woodworking videos. I had to watch it several times. Thanks for what you do for your community and best wishes for continued success in the New Year. Cheers from rural Ohio.
Wow, thank you! GO BUCKEYES
Simply a classic. Rob know saws like Bubba knows shrimp. Not only a well trained and skilled saw user but a maker of perhaps the finest saws on the planet, and on top of all that a friend to all his customers. Thanks again Rob and Jake and may 2021 be another good year for you and your family.
Thank you Howard, I’ll never forget how you saved the day, I mean week! That was so pivotal! Here’s to a wonderful 2021 for you and your family!
Rob, I have to say watch many of you videos and I do like your approach to woodworking and learning. Your videos make you feel as if were standing in the shop with you! Just want tell you thanks, its obvious you love what you do!
Steven Columbus Michigan
Hey Rob an idea for a fun video: Make a box using japanese hand tools :D
Nice one Rob. I'm in the market for a new tenon saw....
There you go
Rob, is there ever a time under normal use (not dropping it) that you would need to check the set of the teeth? How would you go about doing that?
You should be able to determine if the set is adequate by sawing. If it is difficult to keep the Saul on a straight line this may be an indication that the set is too much. This means the Saul is creating a wide kerf and allowing the Saw to wander. Two little srt the saw will bog down or get stuck in the kerf, this is an uncommon problem
Can you do a video on planer set up, jointer set up, bandsaw set up??
I would appreciate it greatly.
I will tell Luther
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Thank you
It seems almost everyone suggests that rip teeth can't be used for cross-cut purposes, except for the roughest, nastiest purposes. I have found that you can use a rip saw with higher pitch than a cross-cut saw to cut cross-cut at the same or better rate with a clean cut. Certainly a 4-point rip saw will cut rougher than an 8-point panel saw, but it will also cut many times faster. A 12-point rip saw may cut just as fast or faster than the 8-point cross cut saw, and not be significantly rougher.
I found my epiphany reading the writings of Tage Frid, who wrote that when a cross-cut saw gets dull he sharpens it rip, so that virtually all of his saws had rip teeth. I did some experimenting and I was surprised at how well rip saws work in cross-cutting applications. My experience seems to be at odds with what the majority of woodworkers will say will work, but that's what I have found.
Sure a rip will crosscut and a crosscut will rip. But we aretalking backsaws for fine furnture joinery in this video not panel asws for rough sawing. I use my rip to crosscut the end pins on my dovetails. So yes you can do it but for any complicated joing, E.g. mortise and tenon where I really want a clean joint I will reach for the correct saw
Very informative video! (as usual) With regards to the round/file handled saw (at about the 16:07 mark), isn't that called a gent's saw? In either case, they don't look to be as comfortable as open grip pistol saws.
Yup...Gents saw...not sure where that namecame from
Very helpful Rob. I’m gonna order a couple of saws based on your video. Will reach out to your team in the next couple of days.
Rob, have you ever tried a saw like Frank Klausz uses for dovetails?
Yes. More importantly Frank has tried my saw and really liked it
Nice tutorial Rob. I'm excited to get my small joinery crosscut saw, should arrive next week. Thank you for explaining things so well in a way that I can understand! And thank you for the PHP, you are doing good work my friend....
Not me lots of folks plus everyone that supports us and spreads the word
Good video, something I can get me teeth in! Thank you.
I swear I saw a couple of them in medieval movies being used for amputation of wounded bodyparts. 😅
Rob....Love your vids and have all your saws, sharpening stones and a few of your chisels. But absolutely hate the new intro to your presentations. Have a good new year!
Exacley what intro areyou talking about? Firs 15 Seconds, Call for action to subscribe, or banner tearing away or something else?
@@RobCosmanWoodworking The "we make it our job..." intro that accompanies all your new videos now. Way way too close to the camera. Feels like your finger is going to poke me in the eye. Very annoying!!!
I just like the old way I guess, where you are on through the total point of the vid. ( no cut away and always had a fresh start to each project. Don't get me wrong. I really do think that you do a professional and informative job on every topic.
Like the 173rd Airborne Unit Patch, I served with B. Co. 3rd/503rd/173rd Airborne in 1970. AATW
Got to love Italy....I assume theyr were stationed there in the 70s
@@RobCosmanWoodworking No, Republic of Vietnam
I wish that I could justify the purchase of a Cosman saw, but alas...I'll have to look for someone to teach me how to restore and sharpen an old one of qulaity. Now that is the hitch. I am not sure of current quality either...
Rob any limited edition dovetail saw handles on the horizon? Need the look to match the performance.
January when we get caught up!
@@RobCosmanWoodworking apparently the 5 you had didn't even last 30 seconds...
Are you going to do a video on saw sharpening soon?
Sure am...Its on Luther's list . I already have an old one poste. do a serach for Rob cosman saw and I think it will come up
@@RobCosmanWoodworking thanks I'll check it out
Still have many hand saws.
You can never have too many hand saws
Curious
Do you offer a sharpening service?
For our saws we do. If you are in the states contact Luther he sharpens saws
@@RobCosmanWoodworking
Thanks,
Now we're talkin
And thats what I am talking about. So I guess we are talking!
@@RobCosmanWoodworking couple of smooth talkers, like the sharpest tool in the shed. Lol Happy New Year Mr. Cosman an thankyou for taking care of our veterans.
Now, folded back or solid back?
Ether one works. I don’t think one outshines the other
*Baffled by backsaws* would be a better title
It sure is where were you when I needed you
Rob I deeply appreciate your time teaching about saws but you left me way more confused than ever!!??
Very good info, I was waiting on to see when you are starting to advertise or blow your own horn?
Actually, right in the beginning…
Interesting enough, after all it’s your show and you are not going to promote a Lie Nielsen over yours…
It’s been a while since I commented last, not always to your liking since I don’t “kiss up “ like others…
I wonder how longer I can read my comment before you are going to remove it?
no reason to remove it, be civil and all is good.
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If the wife ever gives you an ultimatum, or you decide to get rid of anything, I'll be there for you 🙈🙉🙊!
I get ultimatums everyday...Thats why I am in th emiddle of a kitchen remodel now
@@RobCosmanWoodworking After all of the blood, sweat and tears the list never seems to get smaller. We'll be doing kitchen remodeling in our nineties.
Half of these are out of stock.
but we make a new batch each week
Another informative video. Happy new year cosman crew!
Happy new year!