I'd forgotten about this one. It's good to see Mike and the guys back in the garage for another engine night, Roadking, especially because they've been so busy with everything else. Thanks!!
And today's challenge is.... Really enjoy watching you guys working on that old beast! Looking forward to seeing the no power output issue being chased down, seeing what you find.
That engine runs real nice! Based on the fact that you at least have residual, I would say a simple regulator and you could get full power from it. It would also be possible to automate the machine with a simple micro controller if you were so inclined. I helped a buddy do one for his greenhouses near me. Emergency power for vents and heat when mains was out. At any rate, thanks for posting lol. I loved that line, "I've never seen Everett move so fast!" hahaha that was great!
Thats something I would have walked by at an auction thinking it was a boat anchor.....you guys are going to have it working nice! Hopefully you can get it making power on the cheap.
OH boy Roadking, never know would have your neighbors thinking what in the hell are you guys smoking over there! Lol Gotta love those old Onans, I just picked one up too, same one & runs smooth, except quieter haha. Good video 👍
Great first start guys ! .. I am with Mike get rid of the solder boards .. Make it straight up work good ! Thumbs up.. No need to spend money on those ..
To be honest I don't know anything about engine. But, still interest me to watch and learn new things. I still watch the full video yeheyy lol. Thanks for sharing :-) Holy smoke, yah get some fresh air buddy lol. Awesome you made it run. :-)
That was fun. It sure is cool when they fire up eh!!! 60 volts out of the winding's. Too bad. It looked like the meter was on both hots and you should have seen 220 or so. Good luck with the regulator.
*"Never trust points that you didn't adjust yourself"* *- Mike 2017* This must be the most useful bit of information I've ever heard! P.S "Mike was really busy" What is it Mike does exactly? I assume he's some form of engineer, but considering his vast knowledge of pretty much everything electrical as well as mechanical, I can't quite make out what type of engineer he is...
Brodie Bennett Pretty sure he works for a company that repairs, and maintains generators. He's got an on the job video on his page where we was doing maintenance on a big Caterpillar generator.
**cough cough** "Enough of that" lol . . . great progress on the old ONAN . . . Mike and you will figure it out I'm sure . . . Thanks for the video . . . Rog
Engine sounds great! "Hey, why don't we all just hold a wire"!😂 Reminded me of when I was working on my hit n miss whitt, I asked my wife to hold the wire tight in her hand while cycling the mag... Yep, not only did I were her ice tea, I'd rather not say anything about the rest!!😂😂😂
Yeah, we used to pull that stunt on newbee's who came into our shop as we were working on those older Wisconsin engines with magnetos. " Hey, hold this tight for me while I turn this to see if it 'clicks'" We'd get 'em almost every time. ( What a dirty trick!)
I have a apx. 1940-50s Winpower Generator 2200watt/110volt. I think it has a Wisc. engine, rope pull start. I have it in pretty good shape and it works well. Do you know how I can test the voltage, when I put a meter on it, it says 74 volts from either side of the plugs to the ground. It's a beast and likes to have at least a 500 watt load to run smoothly. I bought it at an auction years ago and some ass had taken the engine id plate off. Any comments you could give me will be appreciated. email is: grantwhitwam@yahoo.com
Can you tell me what the percentage of onan gensets that are in the 15 to 20 kw rating are diesel and gasoline ??? Which are better for for the long run ???? Thanks fella. The cost of the unit is definitely right. V
Thanks alot Rob!! I just discussed this with Mike and he's familiar with the SX and agreed that would be a viable option if we can't get ours to function properly!! I watched a few of your videos and subbed your channel, you have alotta good stuff over there!!☺
Mike, at least you got voltage out of that generator, so it is most likely a regulator issue. I was actually working on a 675 KW generator behind a D398 yesterday that was sitting for 35 years, there was no residual on the armature, so we had to excite it.... is definitely a bit nerve racking.
I'd be curious to know what the required RPMs are for that generator head! My first thought from my small experience on a few small gas units, and some larger diesel units, if the correct RPMs aren't achieved, will it not put out the correct voltage and hertz?
the way these work (and most any type of generator used these days) is they have 2 windings (or more, but it's easier to explain with 2). One winding is the field winding, this acts like the magnet in a simple dc motor, but you can adjust it however you like, you can get more or less power output at any given rpm by giving the field winding more or less power. the second winding, the armature ( i think). It is the one hooked to the output of the genset. frequency of the resulting AC power is dependent on speed though, to get 60hz (60 cycles a second) you need the engine to spin at 3600 rpm (60 revolutions per second) if your in europe and want 50hz you run it at 3000rpm. You could use a gearbox to get around this rpm limitation, but you still have to run at a fixed speed regardless of load. I don't know of any examples of this, or even if it's done. The new smhick way to do it is with electronics, they turn the AC into DC, then back into AC at any frequency you want (well, it's not adjustable usually on consumer units), this let's the motor run at lower speeds during low loads, saving fuel and making it significantly quieter.
animefreak5757 ahh!!! Thank you! Makes sense now. Is that also why some generators have the 120-240 switch? Change the required voltage from the regulator? Also, is there a high current through the field windings or more just an exciter? The last part is the inverter generators right?
Men I was once a very young and dumb kid i know right. So one day at work I seen a electrician wiring up and testing a flare unit, and he was an old fart to. I seen he has his left hand in his pocket and I had seen this going on a lot with other electricians. I asked why and he said it keeps the arc from crossing your heart as it passes through your body to ground. Ether it goes through your right arm to ground and if it goes through your left arm it wont go through your chest or across your heart. Mostly i think because your left hand is not near a ground source to complete a circuit.
The starter barley hits the fly wheel and it's off and running. If you all can find out what's going on in the generator part your going to have one heck of a machine.
Maybe you'll luck out like my buddies dad- bought and installed a nice big genny and a year later the road got redone and they put his power underground. He aint had an outage in 15 years and never run the genny. Its a small price to pay for underground if you ask me!
You have residual voltage which shows most of the genset is ok - I'd try flashing the field with a 6 volt lantern battery to see if you get the voltage to rise - if it does, it's probably just an AVR. Field windings should be marked + and ++. + is the positive, ++ is negative. Field resistance should be around 20 ohms.
How does a young guy like Mike know all this stuff? He must be staying away frim the girls. BTW can you do a feature or interview with Little Dirt Bike...he's the star of the show! Newk from Kentucky
My first was goofed up. I guess I should of thought to tell why the generator would be good here. We are in the path of Irma so someone might want it. We were without power for about 36 hrs.
Thanks alot Bud!! Yeah I just got notified!! I hope things are looking up on your end!! Your support and generous contribution means alot to us and we don't take it lightly!! Thanks again!!☺
I'd forgotten about this one. It's good to see Mike and the guys back in the garage for another engine night, Roadking, especially because they've been so busy with everything else. Thanks!!
Yeah hopefully we can keep it up!!☺
And today's challenge is.... Really enjoy watching you guys working on that old beast! Looking forward to seeing the no power output issue being chased down, seeing what you find.
I could watch you guys do generators all day
almost forgot about this project glad it didn't get put on the back burner for to long.
Nice to see it run and partially generate, your halfway there. Can't wait to see more.
Yeah, I think we have something worth pursuing!!☺
FUN ! Outstanding! I wish I could one day attend Engine Night! Carry on men! Newk from Kentucky
If I remember you did a water cooled Briggs. Great stuff friend, thanks again for hanging out. Have a great weekend. Jeff.
Thanks Jeff!! Those Streams are alotta fun, you can learn alot from such a diverse group of people!!☺
That engine runs real nice! Based on the fact that you at least have residual, I would say a simple regulator and you could get full power from it. It would also be possible to automate the machine with a simple micro controller if you were so inclined. I helped a buddy do one for his greenhouses near me. Emergency power for vents and heat when mains was out. At any rate, thanks for posting lol. I loved that line, "I've never seen Everett move so fast!" hahaha that was great!
Ahh those old Onan's and Kohlers, they were sure good gen-sets in their days!
Yeah Buddy!! ☺
Nice work! Always good to see an engine come back to life. Have a good weekend!
Thanks Steve!! You're up late or early!! Have a great weekend Bud!!☺
805ROADKING Up early, and you also;) Thanks!
I'm just heading off to bed now!!☺
Motor sounds really good and starts well. Always fun to bring them back to life.
Thanks George!! I think we have something worth pursuing!!☺
This will be a cool project, I been waiting for you guys to get to this.
I've been waiting to see this one get updated - hope Mike can work his magic on the generator - the engine sounds good!
Yeah Buddy!! My money is on Mike!! He never let's me down!!☺
That was neat to see that the engine runs
Yeah it's a good runner too, all that smoke was from the oil Mike put in the cylinders!!☺
Morning Roadking, I'm off work feeling sorry for myself and seeing this cheered me up. You should name that thing "Old Smokey" lol
Mornin' Mate!! I'm just headed for bed myself, it's 3:30 AM here!!☺
08:41 in London
Hay Road king, It looks like ya got a blowout on your LCD there!
I've been waiting to see this one run. Looks like it's a good runner and I'm sure y'all can get the voltage up where it should be. Nice work!
Thanks Bud!!☺
It's a pretty cool looking engine. From the one side, it reminds me of the old Henderson and Indian four cylinders.
Yeah they are extremely similar!!☺
I had my doubts about that thing ever running. Good Job.
Thanks Bud!!☺
Thats something I would have walked by at an auction thinking it was a boat anchor.....you guys are going to have it working nice! Hopefully you can get it making power on the cheap.
The Carb was snapped off it, that deterred alotta people!!☺
OH boy Roadking, never know would have your neighbors thinking what in the hell are you guys smoking over there! Lol Gotta love those old Onans, I just picked one up too, same one & runs smooth, except quieter haha. Good video 👍
Thanks Bud!!☺
Great first start guys ! .. I am with Mike get rid of the solder boards .. Make it straight up work good ! Thumbs up.. No need to spend money on those ..
Thanks Mate!! yeah the simpler the better!!☺
We had a two cylinder running the emergency lights in a school. It was from the 60's and you wondered if it was going to blow up at some point.
Wow, looks like a lot of work. Good luck there guys.
Thanks alot Buddy!!☺
To be honest I don't know anything about engine. But, still interest me to watch and learn new things. I still watch the full video yeheyy lol. Thanks for sharing :-)
Holy smoke, yah get some fresh air buddy lol. Awesome you made it run. :-)
Thanks alot Bud!! We appreciate you watching!!☺
That was fun. It sure is cool when they fire up eh!!! 60 volts out of the winding's. Too bad. It looked like the meter was on both hots and you should have seen 220 or so. Good luck with the regulator.
Thanks Bruce!!☺
*"Never trust points that you didn't adjust yourself"*
*- Mike 2017*
This must be the most useful bit of information I've ever heard!
P.S
"Mike was really busy"
What is it Mike does exactly? I assume he's some form of engineer, but considering his vast knowledge of pretty much everything electrical as well as mechanical, I can't quite make out what type of engineer he is...
Brodie Bennett Pretty sure he works for a company that repairs, and maintains generators.
He's got an on the job video on his page where we was doing maintenance on a big Caterpillar generator.
**cough cough** "Enough of that" lol . . . great progress on the old ONAN . . . Mike and you will figure it out I'm sure . . . Thanks for the video . . . Rog
Thanks for watching Rog!!☺
Engine sounds great! "Hey, why don't we all just hold a wire"!😂 Reminded me of when I was working on my hit n miss whitt, I asked my wife to hold the wire tight in her hand while cycling the mag... Yep, not only did I were her ice tea, I'd rather not say anything about the rest!!😂😂😂
Yeah, we used to pull that stunt on newbee's who came into our shop as we were working on those older Wisconsin engines with magnetos. " Hey, hold this tight for me while I turn this to see if it 'clicks'" We'd get 'em almost every time.
( What a dirty trick!)
I have a apx. 1940-50s Winpower Generator 2200watt/110volt. I think it has a Wisc. engine, rope pull start. I have it in pretty good shape and it works well. Do you know how I can test the voltage, when I put a meter on it, it says 74 volts from either side of the plugs to the ground. It's a beast and likes to have at least a 500 watt load to run smoothly. I bought it at an auction years ago and some ass had taken the engine id plate off. Any comments you could give me will be appreciated. email is: grantwhitwam@yahoo.com
Hey Grant, I can't recommend anything but I will email your comment to Mike!!☺
well worth a watch, good stuff roadking
Thanks Bud!!☺
Can you tell me what the percentage of onan gensets that are in the 15 to 20 kw rating are diesel and gasoline ??? Which are better for for the long run ???? Thanks fella. The cost of the unit is definitely right. V
I don't have a clue Vic!! Mike is the Generator Guy!!☺
@@805ROADKING Will have to talk to the MAN MIKE !!! Thanks Road King.
Engine has a nice Classic sound!
Man, that is a big ass engine for a generator I'm telling you!
Thanks Bud!!☺
mike can take that board out and test it. if it's dead use a sx460 on ebay $18
i was choking just watching you guys in that smoke, lol. great video!!
Thanks alot Rob!! I just discussed this with Mike and he's familiar with the SX and agreed that would be a viable option if we can't get ours to function properly!! I watched a few of your videos and subbed your channel, you have alotta good stuff over there!!☺
Mike thank you for saying shock and not electrocute.
Man your neighbors are really gonna hate you when the power goes out lol
You guys should put that engine on a mini bike
Check that out! I'd love to get my hands on something like that.
Awesome! Sweet Genset.
Well, at least the shop does not have a mosquito problem now.
It lives!!!!!!!! If anybody can get the Gennie to crank out the volts it's Mike!!
Yeah Buddy!! My money is on Mike!!☺
Mike, at least you got voltage out of that generator, so it is most likely a regulator issue. I was actually working on a 675 KW generator behind a D398 yesterday that was sitting for 35 years, there was no residual on the armature, so we had to excite it.... is definitely a bit nerve racking.
I'd be curious to know what the required RPMs are for that generator head! My first thought from my small experience on a few small gas units, and some larger diesel units, if the correct RPMs aren't achieved, will it not put out the correct voltage and hertz?
rpm is related to hz, but not voltage. You can get pretty much any voltage from any speed quite easily.
Ah ok. Looks like I need to read up some more.
the way these work (and most any type of generator used these days) is they have 2 windings (or more, but it's easier to explain with 2). One winding is the field winding, this acts like the magnet in a simple dc motor, but you can adjust it however you like, you can get more or less power output at any given rpm by giving the field winding more or less power.
the second winding, the armature ( i think). It is the one hooked to the output of the genset.
frequency of the resulting AC power is dependent on speed though, to get 60hz (60 cycles a second) you need the engine to spin at 3600 rpm (60 revolutions per second) if your in europe and want 50hz you run it at 3000rpm. You could use a gearbox to get around this rpm limitation, but you still have to run at a fixed speed regardless of load. I don't know of any examples of this, or even if it's done.
The new smhick way to do it is with electronics, they turn the AC into DC, then back into AC at any frequency you want (well, it's not adjustable usually on consumer units), this let's the motor run at lower speeds during low loads, saving fuel and making it significantly quieter.
animefreak5757 ahh!!! Thank you! Makes sense now. Is that also why some generators have the 120-240 switch? Change the required voltage from the regulator? Also, is there a high current through the field windings or more just an exciter? The last part is the inverter generators right?
older than me by 1 year LOL love to find a generator like that.
There's one I recognize, had a smaller one in a 72 Winnebago brave
Men I was once a very young and dumb kid i know right. So one day at work I seen a electrician wiring up and testing a flare unit, and he was an old fart to. I seen he has his left hand in his pocket and I had seen this going on a lot with other electricians. I asked why and he said it keeps the arc from crossing your heart as it passes through your body to ground. Ether it goes through your right arm to ground and if it goes through your left arm it wont go through your chest or across your heart. Mostly i think because your left hand is not near a ground source to complete a circuit.
Waving at ya RK.
Waving back at ya Zig!!☺
The starter barley hits the fly wheel and it's off and running. If you all can find out what's going on in the generator part your going to have one heck of a machine.
Yeah My money is on Mike, the Dude never lets me down!!☺
Need to get yourselves some fans going with that thing around... :P
We did, we cranked up some of the old antique fans!!☺
Nice
Yay finally I forgot about this one!
little smokey but got it running. Almost there!
That smoke liked to kill me Pop!!☺
Maybe you'll luck out like my buddies dad- bought and installed a nice big genny and a year later the road got redone and they put his power underground. He aint had an outage in 15 years and never run the genny. Its a small price to pay for underground if you ask me!
You have residual voltage which shows most of the genset is ok - I'd try flashing the field with a 6 volt lantern battery to see if you get the voltage to rise - if it does, it's probably just an AVR. Field windings should be marked + and ++. + is the positive, ++ is negative. Field resistance should be around 20 ohms.
Mike's a generator technician. If you're into generators, you should check out his TH-cam channel: SmallEngineMechanic
when mike going to finist the 3 cycinder he started ???
That's a 5-10 year project!! We only work on that when we have time!!☺
A nice Mosquito Abatement machine at a minimum.
Neat video guys!
Thanks Bud!!☺
Nice, now thats some smoke. Was the generator setup to run on Propne originaly?
Gasoline, Natural Gas or Propane!!☺
Ahhhh diversification of the fuel inputs.... Nice
Well if anything it's good for keeping the skeeters away. lol
Trying to catch up on your videos
The hell with the skeeters, that thing liked to kill me!!☺
All the smoke? Or something in a up coming video?
The smoke!!☺
How does a young guy like Mike know all this stuff? He must be staying away frim the girls. BTW can you do a feature or interview with Little Dirt Bike...he's the star of the show! Newk from Kentucky
*i WANT a unit like that SO bad!!!*
Yeah hopefully the regulator can be fixed!!☺
You can get a universal voltage regulator for 15$ and a generic computerized gen controller for 100$ then you could get rid of all the old electronics
i need a generator for the hurricane that's coming
If it's worthy come on down here to Georgia and put it in front of my house to sell. I think it could even be bad here in Augusta.
We're hooking it up to my house!!☺
My first was goofed up. I guess I should of thought to tell why the generator would be good here. We are in the path of Irma so someone might want it. We were without power for about 36 hrs.
pretty cool,good thing you know a generator guy....lol
Yeah Buddy!! ☺
Well at least it's a good runner
Yeah Buddy!! We're already ahead of the game now!! ☺
should just get a control panel from a newer 15k model
I know a little about Onans :)))
I hope you're doing well Col.!! Looks like Irma is gonna hit you harder than we thought!!☺
(:
Finally back to a decent patreon contribution, sorry it took me so long.
Thanks alot Bud!! Yeah I just got notified!! I hope things are looking up on your end!! Your support and generous contribution means alot to us and we don't take it lightly!! Thanks again!!☺
First
shove it into a car to make a hybird :)
mike the slave? 12-14hr days... lol