Pwn, once again, amazing. You never fail to deliver detailed and clearly explained content. I was waiting to see if I could add anything to EITHER build's pro / con sections but I couldn't think of a single thing you left out and learned a bit myself. The tip to get cheap satchels, clutch. Harvesting, boring indeed! You've been instrumental in Outland's growth and helping new players, like I once was, get up and running. If you need anything at all, don't hesitate to ask.
One thing I would recommend to new player summoners or mages. Don't waste the new player casting stone on macroing. Kill stuff with your spells and summons, you will learn how to deal with mobs and get some decent gold in the newbie dungeon and thatt will help fuel your skill gains in the future. Treat the caster just like a dexxer when it comes to farming. The skills you learn in shelter can be extremely helpful if you actually play the game instead of just macroing. (Side note, it will make you understand and appreciate a little pinch of scripting later)
After playing as a Chiv Bard Dexxer for a few months and getting frustrated with being a loot pinata, I switched to a Backstab/Mugger and haven't looked back. Currently play 3 different types of backstab builds on two characters and it's tough to play other PVM templates.
Totally awesome !! I'm glad you found something you like. I personally can't do backstabber long term. The sittng around waiting is deathly boring for me . Some people really love it though and it's def great build for new players too!
I've been wanting to make this video forever, you nailed it. I advise new players to start the chiv bard with the intention of NOT getting to the end game. Use that character to learn the new map, get used to traveling and exploring (free rune book with chiv is game-changing), take it up a few tiers in aspect, then try out the necro. Your comment about being able to farm the top level of SSC is EXACTLY why I think that template sticks for most people. It's insanely powerful.
I still think peace Dexer is the best start. If I was starting today I would roll peace dexxer (it’s basically free) and use that to fund whatever build I want to play end game once I learned the fundamentals of Outland
Both are pretty good, but If the new player never played any kind of UO shard before, I would advise a disc dexxer with chiv and magir res, just like I did, as you don't need to understand any system to get it going, the disc mats are dirt cheap, more dangerous against reds (if not in plate), and more fun than bards
If we are talking purely new player friendly then I don't think its really fair to be talking about 120 necro. 400k for the scrolls alone is not something a new player is going to accumulate quickly, I think it is better to discuss the viability of this template with only 100 necro, herding, SS, and then compare that to the bard template with only 100 chiv. For a new player 400k is 40+ full bag dungeon runs provided there is no loss of items from deaths/thieves/pks. Obviously if they get skill scrolls along the way they are going to have periodic increases in power but I would consider both of those builds to be complete upper-mid tier farming builds, definitely something to aspire for as a complete first build, but by the time they have the gold for either of these complete builds they could afford most viable builds on the server.
@@PwnstarrGaming So I will preface this by saying I am responding from the perspective of a newer player who has just gone through this journey and your videos have definitely helped me a lot. I am not going to pretend to know the ins and outs of every build because I just haven't been able to try them. I started out with your older mace/bard build and like you said I was bored out of my mind. The necro summoner is the more enjoyable build to play out of these two but I tend to agree with the others in the comments that the backstabber requires very little investment, the aspect is cheap, the skills above 100 are obviously nice and make a difference in damage but its still viable without skill scrolls, and the income boost black goods is massive if sold at the right times. If you drop arms lore or tracking from the build you showed in your backstabber video and replace it with forensic you also get the extra income from skinning as well. Plus its a super fun build once you get it off the ground.
@@johnebadass yes forensic is great. I personally kept arms lore for the massive dps increase of the disarm. Also the weight to worth ratio on leather isn't good. But a protip to counteract that would be if you do that carry a couple commodity deeds and you'll def come out on top. Also re using that leather for tailoring societies. Great stuff man! One of my favorite things about this game is the ability to customize your template and there is never no SET template to do things. Thank you for sharing
Hey John! Pwn addressed this earlier but I thought I'd throw my hat in the ring. You are 100% correct that the 120 is a bit if a reach. However you do not NEED 120 right away to make the necro build work. Its perfectly playable at a high level even without 120 in any of those skill. While you work those skills up over time you can use other skills to supplement it! Hope this helps clear things up :).
@@A-Straw-Hat 100% agree mate. After I got bored with mace/bard, I played the necro summoner with 100 skills for quite a while before I eventually had the gold to get my desired build. I wasn't trying to be critical of the build its self, just throwing my 2 cents in that if the video is focused on new player builds then I think the builds should focus on a 700 skill cap and 100 max individual skills and compare those builds, because that is more what i would consider a new player especially with the price of some of the skill scrolls.
I have 8 links unlocked. Mutliple level 10 aspects and I still can't decide what to play. I must really like releveling a nox necro though. Third time is a charm 😢
One that i think is a really cool and good template to begin with is chiv dexxer tamer. You will be able to tank, you will have bonus heals in case of emergencies and buffs to your own damage. Only con is mobs with area damage. It is very hard to kill them. Also damage is low.
I would only recommend a bard if the group you play with doesn't have one already. Summoners of any type will also have more survival ability from pks and if you do die its less of a gold loss since your loadout is cheaper.
straw hat death necro is specializing on the AOE and the Mummy/Earth Elemental's reflect, and the damage you'll be able to reflect is going to be capped with the upcoming changes. I haven't tested it since, so im not sure how much its gonna affect this kind of template
Hey Mike! In terms of reflect this change has no effect for new players. The nerf was a damage cap at 500 damage per single reflect. In this case, I never saw higher than 400 damage reflects in SSC2! The nerf was meant for people stacking multipliers in weird ways to maximize reflect. The death necro build is meant to utilize reflect but NOT to specialize in it.
@@A-Straw-Hat Pretty sure the 500 reflect cap is for player reflect. Pet reflect is capped at 100*control slots so 200 for the summoners which does nerf a fair amount
I love the herding necro build but i play it with 90 discord music and 80 med never run out of regs plays any aspect. command is the best for me so far but anything works and death is amazing with it
Hahaha, Fack inspired the setup I went with. His was slightly different in that he advised me to try it with Taste ID and Poison at 120! I revamped the build, albeit slightly, to include wrestling and eval. That being said, none of these videos would be a thing without Fack! All hail Lord Fack! He deserves the credit for sure :)
Tbh, to a new player to UO, i wouldn't recommend either and would instead recommend a more dexxer/warrior template instead. Use that to earn gold to make a pvm specialist. As a returning UO player, I'm strongly regretting sinking time and investment into the bard.
To each there own for sure. Would love to understand why you say neither to the most commonly suggested starting types of characters, and rather going with the most link/aspect dependent type of character in the game. Pure dexxer can be and is done often. And you should always play what you WANT to play. Just curious on your thoughts for that.
@@PwnstarrGaming I'd say most importantly, I believe it to be the simplest. But also as mentioned, the bard is terrible in pvp and the necro, while slightly better, magery is undoubtedly trickier than dexxing it up as a new player. Being able to have parry and/or resist slows the game down, in a sense.
As someone that started playing Outlands (and UO in general) recently, I can tell you, the BARD is BORING (as stated in the video). If you are starting too, DO NOT go for the bard, believe us when we say it is BORING. 0 engagement.
@@Quotequest900 made 2 chars: th-cam.com/video/zvoPL7nLcbg/w-d-xo.html this one. And a backstabber. While lvling the thief codex with this, it is practically a mob thief in Aegis 3 lvl dungeon.
@@Quotequest900 it is good, that is the same I told you. If you want max engage and keyboard action I think a Mage is the best option. Not sure tho cuz I don't have a mage.
Well I wasnt going to comment but since you wrote there "BEST MMORPG" I have to say this, most of the Outlands community is straight TRASH. Game is not beginner friendly and when it comes to the guides most of them have 120.0 skills which is costs like idk 250k for 1 skill? New players hardly understand how to make money even they do PK's are straight boomer. I dont believe that outlands community is keep growing it has it's own base and newcomers often running away after they see how bad it is. There are few quality content creators like you and/or let's not make someone eleses promotion here but most of the people know him when it comes to stealing and pvp. I believe that outlands is in a great debt to you guys. Anyways as a former player those are my thoughts. Thanks for the guides tho they're usefull.
i beg to differ, i had strangers on the discord giving me my runebook and spellbook, giving me tips, giving me regs, etc. I had some PK kill me on 1st floor and not loot a single thing, one even talked to me and gave me tips after the kill. Then i found some friends playing in a guild and i'm having a blast now that im started.
Totally the best mmorpg in 2023 for me. I love it. Def have lots of disagreements in your statements. But I can't falter you for having an opinion. The templates having skills over 100 is something you progress towards. Shouldn't be to difficult to comprehend that. No one ever starts out a pro, they work hard for it. Unless my eyes deceive me the land gets more and more occupied w players even as they continue to add more dungeons and land. The numbers being posted of players online continues to grow as well. Its an amazing community if great helpful players. I hope you one day make it back and find some friends to play w and enjoy the game as we all are. Or that you find the community that isn't trash in your eyes. And I appreciate the kudos on my videos and content. I put a lot of work in them and am glad Outlands and the community gives me that creative outlet that I enjoy.
@@efesansal5609 For a completely new new character even 15k is high. These cores were 5k 5 months ago. I don't understand how the prices got inflated so much over a short time.
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Dont let this video distract you from backstabber actually being the best starter build
Def a good one!
The Mexican stand off of new player builds! Peaceadin, Deathcro, and Shadowstabber.
Need more poison necro promotion so I can sell my poison cores and extracts
Pwn, once again, amazing.
You never fail to deliver detailed and clearly explained content.
I was waiting to see if I could add anything to EITHER build's pro / con sections but I couldn't think of a single thing you left out and learned a bit myself. The tip to get cheap satchels, clutch. Harvesting, boring indeed!
You've been instrumental in Outland's growth and helping new players, like I once was, get up and running.
If you need anything at all, don't hesitate to ask.
I just request you continue to make more videos and inspire others too 😃
One thing I would recommend to new player summoners or mages. Don't waste the new player casting stone on macroing. Kill stuff with your spells and summons, you will learn how to deal with mobs and get some decent gold in the newbie dungeon and thatt will help fuel your skill gains in the future. Treat the caster just like a dexxer when it comes to farming. The skills you learn in shelter can be extremely helpful if you actually play the game instead of just macroing. (Side note, it will make you understand and appreciate a little pinch of scripting later)
Smart!
After playing as a Chiv Bard Dexxer for a few months and getting frustrated with being a loot pinata, I switched to a Backstab/Mugger and haven't looked back. Currently play 3 different types of backstab builds on two characters and it's tough to play other PVM templates.
Totally awesome !! I'm glad you found something you like.
I personally can't do backstabber long term. The sittng around waiting is deathly boring for me .
Some people really love it though and it's def great build for new players too!
I've been wanting to make this video forever, you nailed it.
I advise new players to start the chiv bard with the intention of NOT getting to the end game. Use that character to learn the new map, get used to traveling and exploring (free rune book with chiv is game-changing), take it up a few tiers in aspect, then try out the necro. Your comment about being able to farm the top level of SSC is EXACTLY why I think that template sticks for most people. It's insanely powerful.
You should still make the video as your own take 😃 never hurts for more info my friend!
I still think peace Dexer is the best start. If I was starting today I would roll peace dexxer (it’s basically free) and use that to fund whatever build I want to play end game once I learned the fundamentals of Outland
Thats actually how I did it starting out.
Peace dexxer to dexxer tamer to mage tamer
Both are pretty good, but If the new player never played any kind of UO shard before, I would advise a disc dexxer with chiv and magir res, just like I did, as you don't need to understand any system to get it going, the disc mats are dirt cheap, more dangerous against reds (if not in plate), and more fun than bards
Yeah! Thats a super good build too!
If we are talking purely new player friendly then I don't think its really fair to be talking about 120 necro. 400k for the scrolls alone is not something a new player is going to accumulate quickly, I think it is better to discuss the viability of this template with only 100 necro, herding, SS, and then compare that to the bard template with only 100 chiv. For a new player 400k is 40+ full bag dungeon runs provided there is no loss of items from deaths/thieves/pks. Obviously if they get skill scrolls along the way they are going to have periodic increases in power but I would consider both of those builds to be complete upper-mid tier farming builds, definitely something to aspire for as a complete first build, but by the time they have the gold for either of these complete builds they could afford most viable builds on the server.
Thanks for your feedback. Yeah def something to work towards 😄 What kinda template would you reccomend?
@@PwnstarrGaming So I will preface this by saying I am responding from the perspective of a newer player who has just gone through this journey and your videos have definitely helped me a lot. I am not going to pretend to know the ins and outs of every build because I just haven't been able to try them.
I started out with your older mace/bard build and like you said I was bored out of my mind. The necro summoner is the more enjoyable build to play out of these two but I tend to agree with the others in the comments that the backstabber requires very little investment, the aspect is cheap, the skills above 100 are obviously nice and make a difference in damage but its still viable without skill scrolls, and the income boost black goods is massive if sold at the right times. If you drop arms lore or tracking from the build you showed in your backstabber video and replace it with forensic you also get the extra income from skinning as well. Plus its a super fun build once you get it off the ground.
@@johnebadass yes forensic is great. I personally kept arms lore for the massive dps increase of the disarm.
Also the weight to worth ratio on leather isn't good. But a protip to counteract that would be if you do that carry a couple commodity deeds and you'll def come out on top.
Also re using that leather for tailoring societies.
Great stuff man! One of my favorite things about this game is the ability to customize your template and there is never no SET template to do things. Thank you for sharing
Hey John! Pwn addressed this earlier but I thought I'd throw my hat in the ring. You are 100% correct that the 120 is a bit if a reach. However you do not NEED 120 right away to make the necro build work. Its perfectly playable at a high level even without 120 in any of those skill. While you work those skills up over time you can use other skills to supplement it! Hope this helps clear things up :).
@@A-Straw-Hat 100% agree mate. After I got bored with mace/bard, I played the necro summoner with 100 skills for quite a while before I eventually had the gold to get my desired build. I wasn't trying to be critical of the build its self, just throwing my 2 cents in that if the video is focused on new player builds then I think the builds should focus on a 700 skill cap and 100 max individual skills and compare those builds, because that is more what i would consider a new player especially with the price of some of the skill scrolls.
woooo two of my favorite outlands creators in one video!!
one and only backstabber :) best build ever
Wooohooo!
Thank you for the new player content it's appreciated!
Thanks for enjoying it!
I have 8 links unlocked. Mutliple level 10 aspects and I still can't decide what to play. I must really like releveling a nox necro though. Third time is a charm 😢
One that i think is a really cool and good template to begin with is chiv dexxer tamer. You will be able to tank, you will have bonus heals in case of emergencies and buffs to your own damage. Only con is mobs with area damage. It is very hard to kill them. Also damage is low.
That sounds like a lot of fun!
I’d alway go for the caster… sorry but casters win most everything 8) love the video! Was great for a new char..
Thanks digs 😃
I would only recommend a bard if the group you play with doesn't have one already. Summoners of any type will also have more survival ability from pks and if you do die its less of a gold loss since your loadout is cheaper.
Good stuff brotha thank you !
straw hat death necro is specializing on the AOE and the Mummy/Earth Elemental's reflect, and the damage you'll be able to reflect is going to be capped with the upcoming changes. I haven't tested it since, so im not sure how much its gonna affect this kind of template
Should be okay still!
I have and it is a damage nerf for the build but not a huge one. Most of the time i run mummy lich anyways.
Hey Mike! In terms of reflect this change has no effect for new players. The nerf was a damage cap at 500 damage per single reflect. In this case, I never saw higher than 400 damage reflects in SSC2! The nerf was meant for people stacking multipliers in weird ways to maximize reflect. The death necro build is meant to utilize reflect but NOT to specialize in it.
@@A-Straw-Hat Pretty sure the 500 reflect cap is for player reflect. Pet reflect is capped at 100*control slots so 200 for the summoners which does nerf a fair amount
@@esmith3885 Hey bud! Ive tested it and it does cap out at 500 for pets :)
I love the herding necro build but i play it with 90 discord music and 80 med never run out of regs plays any aspect. command is the best for me so far but anything works and death is amazing with it
Awesome!
Lawl "Straw hats necro build." Somewhere fack is punching air.
Fack rules! Does he still play!? Haven't seen him in forever!
@@PwnstarrGaming yes he does, he was in the jousting tournament. I am in NWO with him and he plays at least a few times a week.
@@jeffsadowski9244 awesome !
Hahaha, Fack inspired the setup I went with. His was slightly different in that he advised me to try it with Taste ID and Poison at 120! I revamped the build, albeit slightly, to include wrestling and eval.
That being said, none of these videos would be a thing without Fack! All hail Lord Fack!
He deserves the credit for sure :)
@@A-Straw-Hat idk if switching poison and taste would be considered a "slight" adjustment lol 😆
But yes we all love Fack!
What are the ways the Bard temple heals? i see chev at 95, but how elese?
There is two instant heals w chiv and you get another instant heal with healing potions. 3 total.
Im really starting to think mage types are the way to go for the first character. Regs arent all that hard to come by and there is way more utility.
Yeah man , magery is the best skill in the game hands down!
Tbh, to a new player to UO, i wouldn't recommend either and would instead recommend a more dexxer/warrior template instead. Use that to earn gold to make a pvm specialist.
As a returning UO player, I'm strongly regretting sinking time and investment into the bard.
To each there own for sure. Would love to understand why you say neither to the most commonly suggested starting types of characters, and rather going with the most link/aspect dependent type of character in the game.
Pure dexxer can be and is done often. And you should always play what you WANT to play. Just curious on your thoughts for that.
@@PwnstarrGaming I'd say most importantly, I believe it to be the simplest. But also as mentioned, the bard is terrible in pvp and the necro, while slightly better, magery is undoubtedly trickier than dexxing it up as a new player. Being able to have parry and/or resist slows the game down, in a sense.
Damn no blessed starter lute like back in the day?
😄 those came in clutch
@@PwnstarrGaming so the starter items aren’t blessed?
@@codranine6054 the clothes are. Idk if the other stuff is. It might be while your young can't remember
As someone that started playing Outlands (and UO in general) recently, I can tell you, the BARD is BORING (as stated in the video).
If you are starting too, DO NOT go for the bard, believe us when we say it is BORING. 0 engagement.
😆😅🤣
What did you end up going ?
@@Quotequest900 made 2 chars:
th-cam.com/video/zvoPL7nLcbg/w-d-xo.html this one.
And a backstabber. While lvling the thief codex with this, it is practically a mob thief in Aegis 3 lvl dungeon.
@@roldelthe I saw this holy tank video how is it? I really like the idea of it
@@Quotequest900 it is good, that is the same I told you.
If you want max engage and keyboard action I think a Mage is the best option. Not sure tho cuz I don't have a mage.
Finally thanks
Hey Joel ! Glad you liked it!
Alright alright
YUH!
theifs stealing a bards instrument lol
Yoink!
@@PwnstarrGaming haha
Well I wasnt going to comment but since you wrote there "BEST MMORPG" I have to say this, most of the Outlands community is straight TRASH. Game is not beginner friendly and when it comes to the guides most of them have 120.0 skills which is costs like idk 250k for 1 skill? New players hardly understand how to make money even they do PK's are straight boomer. I dont believe that outlands community is keep growing it has it's own base and newcomers often running away after they see how bad it is. There are few quality content creators like you and/or let's not make someone eleses promotion here but most of the people know him when it comes to stealing and pvp. I believe that outlands is in a great debt to you guys. Anyways as a former player those are my thoughts. Thanks for the guides tho they're usefull.
i beg to differ, i had strangers on the discord giving me my runebook and spellbook, giving me tips, giving me regs, etc. I had some PK kill me on 1st floor and not loot a single thing, one even talked to me and gave me tips after the kill. Then i found some friends playing in a guild and i'm having a blast now that im started.
Totally the best mmorpg in 2023 for me. I love it.
Def have lots of disagreements in your statements. But I can't falter you for having an opinion.
The templates having skills over 100 is something you progress towards. Shouldn't be to difficult to comprehend that. No one ever starts out a pro, they work hard for it.
Unless my eyes deceive me the land gets more and more occupied w players even as they continue to add more dungeons and land. The numbers being posted of players online continues to grow as well. Its an amazing community if great helpful players. I hope you one day make it back and find some friends to play w and enjoy the game as we all are. Or that you find the community that isn't trash in your eyes.
And I appreciate the kudos on my videos and content. I put a lot of work in them and am glad Outlands and the community gives me that creative outlet that I enjoy.
there's no such word 'twony', man!
"lyric isn't cheap. At 15k a core..." 10 months later... 50k a core. As a new player, all aspect cores are too expensive to start.
Ouch!
Death core is still 15k
@@efesansal5609 yeah extremely undervalued! such a great aspect!
@@efesansal5609 For a completely new new character even 15k is high. These cores were 5k 5 months ago. I don't understand how the prices got inflated so much over a short time.