Thanks man! I really love both of them. They are both amazing cymbals for different applications. And funny enough, the Agop is twice the price of the Dream ... lol.
Great side by side comparison of two outstanding cymbals! I use a 22 Agop Sig, and love it as well. The Agop 20" trad crash is also super versatile, volume wise. Cheers man, sub'd!
I actually don't have the weight on the Vintage Bliss. The Agop is 2065g and the Vintage Bliss is noticeably thinner... So I would guess that it's somewhere around 1700g. I love them both for different applications. The Dream sounds amazing for super quiet riding but it totally washes out and loses the stick definition for louder stuff. But, it makes an amazing crash. The Agop is just a darker more complex tone. It really holds definition well even at louder volumes. So, it's really a more versatile cymbal. For the quietest of gigs, I'll usually choose the Dream because it opens up fuller at a lighter touch.
Do you know the weight of that Dream Vintage Bliss? I'm looking at getting a used 22" that weighs 2241g. I play in churches and am looking for that warm, washy, dark right side crash to pair with my 24" Heartbeat Classic Light Ride. Thoughts?
Marco Frey this is the C&C Player Date 1 kit. See the full kit in a lot of my other videos in various tunings. The kick is a 20x12 - small enough to fit in tight spaces but still keep a nice low punchy tone. The toms are standard 12” and 14” with a 14x5.5 snare. Very warm vintage vibe from this kit.
Subparanon haha... yeah, I've been playing without tons more often lately.... just the essentials :-) And actually it's not a flat ride.... it's the Dream 22" Vintage Bliss Crash/Ride
That is crazy. I have the Bliss hats and 24" flat earth ride, and your crash ride has the same washy wonderful sound the flat earth one does. As opposed to my previous Sabian ride which was very pingy and ringy.
Thanks! I've got the bottom head pretty cranked. The top head is very loose but still in tune with itself (For the low fat sound, you really have to make sure you get all the lugs even, or it just sounds like a cardboard box.... Still needs to have some resonance when you sit it on the ground and just play the batter). Then for the muffling, I've got folded up tissues taped down with gaffe tape. It pretty much sounds the same as a wallet laid on top. Super dry. Also, the snare wires are crazy loose. This is another key to giving the drum the low end punch.
Kris Redus very creative demo. Glad you took the time to do it and that I found it -as a fan of the dark wash. Especially like the recorded sound, amazing under headphones. Recommend every viewer experience under headgear to catch all the tones of this great player, thanks !
Hey man, I'm considering getting a 24inch but worried about how the louder volume. How much of a difference will it be from a 22inch to 24inch? I know that a larger cymbal will make it darker and seem "less loud", but still... Thoughts?
David Li it totally depends on the cymbal itself. Some 24s could be just as quiet as these. Some 20s could be crazy louder. All depends on the cymbals construction and on the weight. See if you can find the weight and I can tell you if it's going to be louder or softer.
I wouldn't doubt if the Agop is slightly smaller. I have a 20" Agop 30th Anniversary that is actually 19.75" or so. Also, I have a 22" Bosphorus that is clearly smaller than my 22" Zildjian K Constantinople when I line them up. It seems like the Turkish brands come in slightly under the stated diameter.
The vintage bliss are awesome! I'm using the 19" version in some of my other videos if you're curious about that one too. They are pretty amazing, especially for the price!
i have a 20" contact crash/ride...... a pare of 14 " bliss hi-hats .... i would like to get a crash that will math with my 20" do you have a suggestion
I've never played the contact series so I really can't say... Would your 20" be able to function as a main crash? If so, I'd do that and go for a bigger ride! This 22" Vintage Bliss is amazing. The normal Bliss 22" sound great. The 24" Flat Earth ride is amazing! I'm really into bigger, darker rides if you can't tell... Lol. But as far as a crash to pair.... listen to some other sizes of the vintage bliss. I use my 19" as my main crash in quieter situations and I'll actually use this 22" as a main crash for louder playing.
sorry i was wrong it is an 18 dream contact crash/ride yes for now until i get another one it is my main crash i am playing with vintage kits from the early 60's and 70;s i am honored by your information and your kindness
Hey dude. Do you have any heartbeats you could do something like this with? This is such a good demo ♥️ that Istanbul is perfection. But I’d rather not take a loan for a cymbal 😂 #brokeprobs
Carlos Rojas my church had some Heartbeats that I’ve been meaning to do a similar video of and just haven’t gotten around to it yet. At some point, I will. Glad you enjoyed the video 😃 Yeah, this Agop.... ❤️
@@LTColumbOX "get a life" lol. If you think that snare and bass sounds good sounds like you're the one that needs to get a set of ears. Try bringing that set to any professional gig with a pro sound company running sound and pro musicians playing in the band and I guarantee you they would either get a different drummer or make you switch out the bass drum and snare drum or try tuning them for you but at that point they would already determine you needed a few lessons.
Steve Percoco you are an uncool person . Just try and be nice ,and say constructive things. You want to make yourself sound more knowledgeable than you are. I get it . Drummers tend not to be so dismissive and ignorant to each other. The drummers union . Join up. Don't be a scab .
@@LTColumbOX I have plenty of drummer friends; I don't need more. I'm honest with my drummer friends btw and they are honest with me; i.e. we are not a bunch of snow flakes. If I play something fucked up I will know about it and if I hear someone fuck up I will let them know too. You don't have to get all butt hurt because a snare drum sounds like an elephant shitting; you just take your drum key and tune the bad boy up and carry on. How many gigs have you played son lmao?
@@spercoco You're a tool. There isn't one appropriate snare and kick tuning that fit's all styles. And if you were as knowledgable about drums as you claim, then you wouldn't have made that comment in the first place. It's all a stylistic choice. Depending on the style of music and band I'm sure this dude would tune his drums appropriately. For this video, when only using cymbals, snare, and kick, the low tuned and sustained buzz snare sound works amazingly. Im sure he would just bring this exact set up and tuning to play all styles of music. SMH
WONDERFUL! Both amazing cymbals. Lovely playing and touch.
Thanks man! I really love both of them. They are both amazing cymbals for different applications. And funny enough, the Agop is twice the price of the Dream ... lol.
Bliss and Agop cymbals, Byzance Hats....Boy, Kris, you do get around.
Nice playing, nice video. I just subscribed.
Love the snare tuning.
Great side by side comparison of two outstanding cymbals! I use a 22 Agop Sig, and love it as well. The Agop 20" trad crash is also super versatile, volume wise. Cheers man, sub'd!
Much prefer the Bliss. Do you happen to know the weight? Thanks much for posting.
I actually don't have the weight on the Vintage Bliss. The Agop is 2065g and the Vintage Bliss is noticeably thinner... So I would guess that it's somewhere around 1700g. I love them both for different applications. The Dream sounds amazing for super quiet riding but it totally washes out and loses the stick definition for louder stuff. But, it makes an amazing crash. The Agop is just a darker more complex tone. It really holds definition well even at louder volumes. So, it's really a more versatile cymbal. For the quietest of gigs, I'll usually choose the Dream because it opens up fuller at a lighter touch.
Thanks much for the reply...helpful.
The Bliss ride sounds beatiful
I’ve been sold on these Cymbals for a while.
Beautiful sound~~
Do you know the weight of that Dream Vintage Bliss? I'm looking at getting a used 22" that weighs 2241g. I play in churches and am looking for that warm, washy, dark right side crash to pair with my 24" Heartbeat Classic Light Ride. Thoughts?
Super late but i think he replied to someone else it's between 1700-1800g
Tell me about your drums. That small bass drum looks ideal for NYC.
Marco Frey this is the C&C Player Date 1 kit. See the full kit in a lot of my other videos in various tunings. The kick is a 20x12 - small enough to fit in tight spaces but still keep a nice low punchy tone. The toms are standard 12” and 14” with a 14x5.5 snare. Very warm vintage vibe from this kit.
Toms. We don't need no stinking toms! Love the flat ride sounds. :)
Subparanon haha... yeah, I've been playing without tons more often lately.... just the essentials :-) And actually it's not a flat ride.... it's the Dream 22" Vintage Bliss Crash/Ride
That is crazy. I have the Bliss hats and 24" flat earth ride, and your crash ride has the same washy wonderful sound the flat earth one does. As opposed to my previous Sabian ride which was very pingy and ringy.
Sick. I am between the Dream 22” and a 20” Meinl Dark crash. Anyone have experience with the Dream “Eclipse” line? What can you say about them?
Joe Quartiano sorry, I haven’t played anything from their eclipse line, so I can’t say. Best of luck!
Kris Redus no worries! Thanks for the reply hope to see more videos from you soon!
@@Quartiano I demoed the Eclipse before they were released to the public. Imagine the K Custom hybrids but made from the Bliss Line instead.
How do you tune your snare, sounds awesome!
Thanks! I've got the bottom head pretty cranked. The top head is very loose but still in tune with itself (For the low fat sound, you really have to make sure you get all the lugs even, or it just sounds like a cardboard box.... Still needs to have some resonance when you sit it on the ground and just play the batter). Then for the muffling, I've got folded up tissues taped down with gaffe tape. It pretty much sounds the same as a wallet laid on top. Super dry. Also, the snare wires are crazy loose. This is another key to giving the drum the low end punch.
Kris Redus very creative demo. Glad you took the time to do it and that I found it -as a fan of the dark wash. Especially like the recorded sound, amazing under headphones. Recommend every viewer experience under headgear to catch all the tones of this great player, thanks !
Am I blind or is the left cymbal bigger than the right one? They are listed as 22" for both.
I think it just a weird camera perspective thing... They really are both 22" :-)
@@KrisRedusJazz Ahhh fooled by the The Ebbinghaus illusion. I love the Dream Vintage 22". I'm gonna get one of those next year.
Hey man, I'm considering getting a 24inch but worried about how the louder volume. How much of a difference will it be from a 22inch to 24inch? I know that a larger cymbal will make it darker and seem "less loud", but still... Thoughts?
David Li it totally depends on the cymbal itself. Some 24s could be just as quiet as these. Some 20s could be crazy louder. All depends on the cymbals construction and on the weight. See if you can find the weight and I can tell you if it's going to be louder or softer.
22 around 2400g. 24 around 2900-3000g. They are Heartbeat Epic Cymbals.
The Agop looks a smaller diameter to the Dream. If the Dream is a 22", the Agop looks more like a 20".
Gordon Kerr that's probably just the wide angle camera lens distorting the picture a bit. They really are both 22" :-)
Gordon Kerr nice! I'm all about the wash :-) I'm actually looking at getting the 22" Bliss Paper Thin Crash because the wash is so glorious :-)
I wouldn't doubt if the Agop is slightly smaller. I have a 20" Agop 30th Anniversary that is actually 19.75" or so. Also, I have a 22" Bosphorus that is clearly smaller than my 22" Zildjian K Constantinople when I line them up. It seems like the Turkish brands come in slightly under the stated diameter.
because it is mounted at lower possition. Lower = at a greater distance from camera lens = looks smaller
@@mtest322 Maybe.
The meinl and dream practically look the same
i am sold on dream cymbals
The vintage bliss are awesome! I'm using the 19" version in some of my other videos if you're curious about that one too. They are pretty amazing, especially for the price!
i have a 20" contact crash/ride...... a pare of 14 " bliss hi-hats .... i would like to get a crash that will math with my 20" do you have a suggestion
I've never played the contact series so I really can't say... Would your 20" be able to function as a main crash? If so, I'd do that and go for a bigger ride! This 22" Vintage Bliss is amazing. The normal Bliss 22" sound great. The 24" Flat Earth ride is amazing! I'm really into bigger, darker rides if you can't tell... Lol. But as far as a crash to pair.... listen to some other sizes of the vintage bliss. I use my 19" as my main crash in quieter situations and I'll actually use this 22" as a main crash for louder playing.
sorry i was wrong it is an 18 dream contact crash/ride yes for now until i get another one it is my main crash i am playing with vintage kits from the early 60's and 70;s i am honored by your information and your kindness
Cool! I'm looking at really diving into the vintage kit world! So I'm doing a ton of research there! :-) Good luck and God bless!
Hey dude. Do you have any heartbeats you could do something like this with? This is such a good demo ♥️ that Istanbul is perfection. But I’d rather not take a loan for a cymbal 😂 #brokeprobs
Carlos Rojas my church had some Heartbeats that I’ve been meaning to do a similar video of and just haven’t gotten around to it yet. At some point, I will. Glad you enjoyed the video 😃 Yeah, this Agop.... ❤️
My vote is to Dream! (I have a 19" Vintage Bliss Crash / Ride)
I prefer the dream
That low snare tuning doesn't work for me. I don't love it.
SNARE AND BASS DRUM SHOUNDS LIKE SHIT.
Hmmm maybe tune that snare and bass drum and the cymbals will sound better :)
Really? Why so negative. It all sounds great. Get a life pal.
@@LTColumbOX "get a life" lol. If you think that snare and bass sounds good sounds like you're the one that needs to get a set of ears. Try bringing that set to any professional gig with a pro sound company running sound and pro musicians playing in the band and I guarantee you they would either get a different drummer or make you switch out the bass drum and snare drum or try tuning them for you but at that point they would already determine you needed a few lessons.
Steve Percoco you are an uncool person . Just try and be nice ,and say constructive things. You want to make yourself sound more knowledgeable than you are. I get it . Drummers tend not to be so dismissive and ignorant to each other. The drummers union . Join up. Don't be a scab .
@@LTColumbOX I have plenty of drummer friends; I don't need more. I'm honest with my drummer friends btw and they are honest with me; i.e. we are not a bunch of snow flakes. If I play something fucked up I will know about it and if I hear someone fuck up I will let them know too. You don't have to get all butt hurt because a snare drum sounds like an elephant shitting; you just take your drum key and tune the bad boy up and carry on. How many gigs have you played son lmao?
@@spercoco You're a tool. There isn't one appropriate snare and kick tuning that fit's all styles. And if you were as knowledgable about drums as you claim, then you wouldn't have made that comment in the first place. It's all a stylistic choice. Depending on the style of music and band I'm sure this dude would tune his drums appropriately. For this video, when only using cymbals, snare, and kick, the low tuned and sustained buzz snare sound works amazingly. Im sure he would just bring this exact set up and tuning to play all styles of music. SMH