I saw 526 subscribed. I did a double take because because I expected a "K" after the 526. This will be the first drum channel I've subscribed to. I wanna be on the ground floor. I'd be happy to be within the first 1000.
Kris, another great example of sharing your perspective on the nuisance of sound, so thanks. It's the sound that allows creative playing and you are going in deep on this topic of tuning and drum/head selection. It sounds like you are handy with the mechanics of the hardware, have you experimented with snare wire assemblies and the sounds that can be obtained. Vintage parade drums use a variety of snare side strands; gut-leather, cable etc and the number of strands has an effect. I have collected various materials to tryout from original source strand to guitar string wire ( save those broken E-strings ! ). Of course one has to configure a strainer setup to allow a longer length across the bottom head, but there are some interesting sounds to reveal. Have you experimented outside of normal spring form snare wire and would you consider a video for folks to see how you would go about this. I'm sure it would be informative. Thx again, great stuff you're doing here.
The Hillbilly Piper nice! I just got a WFL 15x8 that sounds killer. Yeah, I don’t have any stores close to me that keep 15” heads in stock but you can order them easy on Amazon or drum factory direct or lots of other online suppliers.
Kris Redus I recently found some new heads but it was there last set of top and bottom for a 15". The boxes had dust on them so they sold them to me for like half price. They looked new still inside the dusty boxes. Evans heads I think G2.
Help me! I can't tune the bottom head on my Tama SLP 14x10. I still have too much overtones and snare buzz. I can avoid it only choking the batter head with muffles. 😟
Federico S sounds like your bottom head it way out of tune with itself and probably not high enough. Spend some quality time getting the lug pitches even on it. Find the highest pitches lug and bring the others up to match it one by one. This will eventually bring the pitch of the whole head up and that’s good. On the batter head, there’s just lots of crazy overtones that come out in super low tunings so I like to get it really clean in a medium tuning like on this video then slowly move it down from there. Start by taking all your muffling off and really take the time to get your heads cleanly in tune. I think that’s your main problem. And run the wires super loose. Lots of rattle is fine. Check out Carter McLean’s most recent snare demos... he always bottoms them way out at the end and he’s got the wires super loose but it sounds killer.
I have the Ludwig Atlas stand. I have it down as low as it will go for this 14x10. So I don’t think it would work for a 12” deep snare. I’d do some digging around on other forums and seeing what other recommendations you can find.
Man!!! Kris Redus... That Kick!!! What is the shell construction and bearing edge of that beauty? I literally just found a Slingerland 26x10 locally (AHHHH!) and want to get all that same amazing tone that your kick has! Thanks so much for sharing!!!
egapmargninnur awesome! I'd say get it for sure! Mine is 3 ply maple/poplar/maple and the edges are just standard 45's. I love this size because you get crazy low end but it's really controllable.
Yeah! I have had deep kicks before and was really surprised listening to your video of the low fundamental but perfect control over the sustained resonance! So fun and thanks or the quick reply! Blessings!
Hi Kris! This sound is crazy! Ive been working my snare for years and looking for this fat sound i have a pdp woody 14 x 6.5 maple with wood hoops ... sometimes i got closer but the lugs go so low that within 2 or 3 weeks of rehersal the snare goes too dry and detuned 😣 ... u think changing the wood hoops can help me to achive this kind of fatness? I have taken the snare very close to the sound before you start putting the gaffer but in my case when i start to muffle the sound goes to hell, so plastic and atacky... and if i take the muffling out its just too much ringin and overtones 😭 i have an ambassador on top and a reso ambassador on the bottom. Any advice u can give? Thanks man!!
Fernando Peniche I would definitely try an emperor on top instead of the ambassador. You’re going to notice more low end and fatness right away. Also because my drum is a lot deeper than yours, it’s capable of tuning to a much lower pitch... so you could still achieve this type of tone, it’s just going to be at a little higher pitch than mine... the trick is to not bottom out your drum. Find the lowest it can go without losing tone and fullness, then do your muffling from there. I think that drum will get a similar tone just fine even with the wood hoops.
Kris Redus omg! Thanks for the fast answer man! Ill try again tomorrow ive sadly just came back from my studio after 3 hours of fight with my snare hehe but ill change the head tomorrow and ill give it a try, :) thanks for the tip! And again thank u so much for the answer!
Kris, I have a 1969 Slingerland snare 5x14 medium tuned. I love the FAT sound of your VINTAGE MARCHING SNARE...why did you decide to use this on a kit rather than standard kit snare???
Hey! That’s cool! This is just a knot her sound to have in the arsenal. This fat gushy sound is used in a lot of types of music today and these vintage marchers are a cool way to get it. I’ve got several other normal drum set style snares I use all the time too.
Sound great! I have my eye on a 30's Slingerland marching snare like yours. It has wood hoops and is single tension....not sure if I want to modify it or not if I get it. Did the old throw off function ok on your drum? I think I would have to replace the snares at least to get a good sound and response out of it.
AR Drummer hey, cool! Years later and after becoming more of a vintage drum enthusiast, I really regret doing this conversion. There are really cool useable tones you can get from the single tension models. If you want this functionality, I’d find a drum that’s already dual tension (I saw like 3 on eBay yesterday for under $150!). If they have gut snares, you would want to put modern wires on. Cloud badge Slingerlands are killer drums!
@@KrisRedusJazz Thanks for the info. I already ordered the snare for $95. Not sure what I will do. It's going to be a drum I will keep forever, so I'm not worried about resell value. Something to think about for sure.
Gregory Samek thanks, man! So there’s a mic on kick, a large diaphragm condenser behind me and the two stereo condensers built into my video camera (Zoom Q8) which is about 4 feet in front of the kit. All going direct into the camera. No post processing or EQ at all. This is basically all unaffected room sound.
Nathan Stewart that’s a Keller maple 24x8 that I built. I have several videos of it on my page here 😃. It was originally a turquoise blue then I repainted it duco. Check it out
Hey man! Absolutely love this video, went out and got the same exact snare myself actually! Nice little eBay find. What are you using as a reasonant head in the video? Clear Ambassador or something different? Thought maybe it could be a Clear Diplomat too
What kind of snare wires are you using? I have a Slingerland 10x14 and i'm using Tama super sensitive hi-carbon 14" wires. I can't seem to get them to sit correctly, do I need larger wires?
Rod Stewart I have basic puresound 25 strands on this drum. One thing I’ve noticed about 14x10’s they are prone lots lots of wild overtones which cause the snare wires to get out of control. One thing I do to loosen the lugs on either side of the wires (all 4) .... or tighten the outside lugs more. This usually shortens the wire sustain a lot.
@@KrisRedusJazz Wow! This trick really works, I'm getting a nice crisp pop out of it now!! Would never had known. I guess it's vital of a marching snare drum in this size for that type of tuning tension. Saved me from buying new snares. Thanks dude! Subbed.
Rod Stewart awesome, man! I actually never knew that trick until I saw Cody from Sounds Like A Drum mention it. Credit goes to him! That works on all types of snares.
DWmusic thanks man! Yeah, I can see that for sure. At this point it's all about what musical context it would be fitting in. It could easily move up or down a little and still stay in this tonal ball park.
I just found a vintage WFL snare and changed all the hardware and hoops to try to recreate. Works pretty well, though the nuance you have there is better. Maybe it's the room? I have lots of mics on my kit, but s very dry room.
cjmst3k cool, man! What batter head do you have on there? I’ve only had good luck with a Coated emperor for this sound. Also, switching to modern snare wires was pretty crucial for a clean sound.... and yeah, my room here is totally untreated so there definitely some extra verb going on... it’s mostly room sound you’re hearing.
My head is an Evans G2 Coated. I assumed it was close enough to Coated emperor but I think I might swap it out. You really found an amazing sound with that arrangement Kris!
Actually, now that I think about it, I think I used an Evans Genera HD snare head. Which I think has tiny holes around the face. So, I think I'll get a Coated emperor soon to play with that.
cjmst3k oh yeah.... I don’t like the Evans heads with the holes. I like the head that sounds big and full on its own, and then I want to manage the dampening myself on top of the head. That’s why I think the emperor works well. And to my ears the G2 just doesn’t have the same magic 😜
As a general rule, the deeper the snare, the more natural low end it will have. So yes, if you’re after a super low tone like this, a deep drum will produce it easier than a smaller one. You can still get amazing low fat tones out of some smaller snares... these deep ones just do it very well.
Yeah, that was a C&C Player Date 1 14x5.5 snare. All mahogany shell so it was able to do low fat tone really well too. I do wish that I had this Slingerland 14x10 when I made those videos because they would’ve sounded better with this snare 😜...
Hi.. this is really inspiring !!! Which heads and mufling do you use with this bass drum? Reso head looks like a Fiberskin Amb or thicker? Batter head? The sound is different at the beginning of the video and we can see a mufler on the floor :) The sound seems to be more mufled after the intro. Is there a hole in the reso head? Mufling inside? Thanks for your your answer. You didn't mention the reso snare head also. Thanks for the inspiration.
julmusikify thanks! The bass drum had a calf tone EMAD on batter and a Fiberskyn amb on reso with just a felt strip. Nothing inside at all and no port hole. I don’t think I used the muffler during this video.... I did show where the snare reso was at the beginning just for a reference. Thanks for watching! 😃
Ok thanks. Yes, calftone EMAD :) Did you try Fiberskyn P3 or Fiberskyn amb with felt strip on the batter head? Better than cafltone EMAD? I hesitate between those three possibilties but can't buy 3 heads just for chosing. I know that you don't like mufling rings, i do so but maybe you can help here. Same question for the resonant head, i was asking myself if it's better to get a Fiberskyn amb with felt strip as you do here or a Fiberskyn P3 without felt strip instead which can be more open as a starting point. For reso snare head, i was just wondering if it was a hazy amb or emp or diplomate? :) Thanks again.
julmusikify the calftone EMAD is the only head I tried for budget reasons also! 😜... but I chose that because I had heard examples of drums this size that didn’t have much punch or low end... I wanted to be able to use it as a main kick tone with a ton of punch and low end. EMADs are pretty amazing for that.... it’s not a tone I want all the time, but for this role, I decided it would work well. I haven’t had a chance to compare a fiberskyn P3 vs the amb with felt strip?... it would stand to reason that the P3 would be more open. I like the option of being able to take the felt strip out and get the crazy boom if I want it. So I think I’d still roll that way for tonal flexibility. You can also take the felt ring out of the EMAD for other tones too. Since I was running it without a port, I like lot of external options for adjusting the tone. The snare reso is just a normal snare side amb.
Ok.. thanks for the complete answer. I see the idea for the crazy boom option and join you with the no port and external options of mufling ! Did you try the Fiber amb + felt on batter head instead of the Calf Emad? Less low and punch? I will let you know when i had experimented the 3 heads.. in 1 or 2 years maybe hahaha :)
julmusikify no I didn’t try the amb+felt on batter, would’ve had to go without a reso.... but I’ve actually sold the drum since this video 😭 so I’ll never know!
I use brushes on this snare all the time and it’s lovely! I just go a lot less on the dampening. Burying the brush for a backbeat takes care of a lot of the dampening and fatness.
I found it super cheap on EBay. If you just search pretty often for "vintage marching bass drum" or just "vintage bass drum" these kind of things will come it. This one is a 26x10.
VikAutofocus I had a Calftone EMAD on batter and a Fiberskyn Ambassador with a felt strip (no Port) on reso. Tuned pretty low (but still singing on batter. Tuned about a 4th higher on resl
Cool! One more question if you don't mind... Is it hard to find a stand that will hold something that deep? I have an 8x14 now and at the stands lowest setting, it's borderline too high for me.
Yeah, the snare stand is tricky.... I found a great deal on the Ludwig Atlas stand used. It goes low enough (although I have to have the snare basket way wider than the drum to actually get the height comfortable. And I actually started out using this drum with 45 stand snare wires.... they were obnoxiously loud, haha.... other people noticed too, not just me. You heard more snare wires than drum tone .... not a pretty sound. That's been my only experience with 45s, so I can't say if I think it was just this deep a drum having that effect or if that's just what 45s do....
in short you just tune the top head low and deaden it with a load of muffling. No need to really fine tune it. The muffling is going to choke all the overtones out of the batter head anyway. You could just about use any type of batter head with this method. You're going to be choking it anyway, so it doesn't matter too much what head you're playing on.
alan duncan actually it matters a lot what kind of head you use. Have you tried to get this tone with an ambassador? Doesn't work as well.... and I really like keeping the head in tune because I like to still have body and resonance filling out this tone. That's where the bigness comes from. If you spend a lot of time trying to get these types of tones, you'll figure out that there's way more to it than tuning low and slapping muffling on....
Kris Redus yes, I've tried it before on a 7 x 14 WFL with similar results using an Ambassador. There's no real science to it. I turn my snares off while tuning the batter head too.
covering half your head with long strips of tape isn't tuning, it's muffling to get 'effect sounds', not actual snare drum sound. not all snare drums are made for such low frequencies, even if you can fudge it enough to kinda simulate some. on the other hand, let's talk about that blue/silver duco kick drum.
ocho cabra yes, technically you’re correct. To me, it all falls under the umbrella of “tone shaping.” This is a tone that’s heavily used in modern music, and you just can’t get it by turning tension rods only... dampening is a major part of the equation. And my purpose here was showing how you can get that tone with vintage matching snares which are cheap and easy to find. This definitively won’t work on normal sized modern snares. That duco kick drum is a 24x8 that I made from a Keller shell, Slingerland sound king lugs, and some generic hardware I had laying around 😁
ocho cabra ok, that’s fine if you think that 👍... I tend to think it honors the drum to keeping working. It’s not an obsolete piece of history. These drums can hold their own in any style of music and sound amazing. No sense in limiting them to one thing.
@@ocho611 dude what are you talking about lmao its not “disrespectful” to give a nice drum a new way to be played, and modern music is not inherently a bad thing
I simply ADORE the KickDrum sound!!
I saw 526 subscribed. I did a double take because because I expected a "K" after the 526. This will be the first drum channel I've subscribed to. I wanna be on the ground floor. I'd be happy to be within the first 1000.
My custom DW 15x10 Maple / Mahogany will be ready in March.
I will use these tips for sure in my sound search for it.
MusiQsounds Productions that sounds rad!! Good luck!
Man, you a hidden gem! So glad I found you, I just wish other people had access to your videos and knowledge!!
til this day,this is by far my favorite tuning video, thanks again-
Thank you!! 🙏😊👊
now thats the tone!!! thank you so much-
Sounds FAAAAAAT! Kris this is sound pack material!
love the sound, thanks for sharing how you do it!
Kris, another great example of sharing your perspective on the nuisance of sound, so thanks. It's the sound that allows creative playing and you are going in deep on this topic of tuning and drum/head selection. It sounds like you are handy with the mechanics of the hardware, have you experimented with snare wire assemblies and the sounds that can be obtained. Vintage parade drums use a variety of snare side strands; gut-leather, cable etc and the number of strands has an effect. I have collected various materials to tryout from original source strand to guitar string wire ( save those broken E-strings ! ). Of course one has to configure a strainer setup to allow a longer length across the bottom head, but there are some interesting sounds to reveal. Have you experimented outside of normal spring form snare wire and would you consider a video for folks to see how you would go about this. I'm sure it would be informative. Thx again, great stuff you're doing here.
Very nice
I have a 1963 15” Ludwig marching snare. Sounds awesome with my drumset but it’s very difficult to find 15” snare heads.
The Hillbilly Piper nice! I just got a WFL 15x8 that sounds killer. Yeah, I don’t have any stores close to me that keep 15” heads in stock but you can order them easy on Amazon or drum factory direct or lots of other online suppliers.
Kris Redus
I recently found some new heads but it was there last set of top and bottom for a 15". The boxes had dust on them so they sold them to me for like half price. They looked new still inside the dusty boxes. Evans heads I think G2.
Wow! Amazing video. Gonna grab one of those snares for sure. Great job man!!!
This video was amazing! Subscribed
Love it! I play a 60s premier marching snare, a litter deeper than this one, it’s a thing of beauty.
Phenomenal. !
Help me! I can't tune the bottom head on my Tama SLP 14x10. I still have too much overtones and snare buzz. I can avoid it only choking the batter head with muffles. 😟
Federico S sounds like your bottom head it way out of tune with itself and probably not high enough. Spend some quality time getting the lug pitches even on it. Find the highest pitches lug and bring the others up to match it one by one. This will eventually bring the pitch of the whole head up and that’s good. On the batter head, there’s just lots of crazy overtones that come out in super low tunings so I like to get it really clean in a medium tuning like on this video then slowly move it down from there. Start by taking all your muffling off and really take the time to get your heads cleanly in tune. I think that’s your main problem. And run the wires super loose. Lots of rattle is fine. Check out Carter McLean’s most recent snare demos... he always bottoms them way out at the end and he’s got the wires super loose but it sounds killer.
@@KrisRedusJazz thank you mate. I'm going to take a look
great video! what kind of tape do you use for your drumhead?
Thanks! It’s gaffe tape (or gaffer’s tape). Looks like duct tape but doesn’t leave the residue behind. You can find it at almost music stores
What are you using as a snare stand? I've got an old 15x12 ludwig I'm gonna be outfitting on my kit and need a good low stand.
I have the Ludwig Atlas stand. I have it down as low as it will go for this 14x10. So I don’t think it would work for a 12” deep snare. I’d do some digging around on other forums and seeing what other recommendations you can find.
I have vintage aria snare 14x10.. Ples recommended stand good 4 this snare?
Man!!! Kris Redus... That Kick!!! What is the shell construction and bearing edge of that beauty? I literally just found a Slingerland 26x10 locally (AHHHH!) and want to get all that same amazing tone that your kick has! Thanks so much for sharing!!!
egapmargninnur awesome! I'd say get it for sure! Mine is 3 ply maple/poplar/maple and the edges are just standard 45's. I love this size because you get crazy low end but it's really controllable.
Yeah! I have had deep kicks before and was really surprised listening to your video of the low fundamental but perfect control over the sustained resonance! So fun and thanks or the quick reply! Blessings!
Hi Kris! This sound is crazy! Ive been working my snare for years and looking for this fat sound i have a pdp woody 14 x 6.5 maple with wood hoops ... sometimes i got closer but the lugs go so low that within 2 or 3 weeks of rehersal the snare goes too dry and detuned 😣 ... u think changing the wood hoops can help me to achive this kind of fatness? I have taken the snare very close to the sound before you start putting the gaffer but in my case when i start to muffle the sound goes to hell, so plastic and atacky... and if i take the muffling out its just too much ringin and overtones 😭 i have an ambassador on top and a reso ambassador on the bottom. Any advice u can give? Thanks man!!
Fernando Peniche I would definitely try an emperor on top instead of the ambassador. You’re going to notice more low end and fatness right away. Also because my drum is a lot deeper than yours, it’s capable of tuning to a much lower pitch... so you could still achieve this type of tone, it’s just going to be at a little higher pitch than mine... the trick is to not bottom out your drum. Find the lowest it can go without losing tone and fullness, then do your muffling from there. I think that drum will get a similar tone just fine even with the wood hoops.
Kris Redus omg! Thanks for the fast answer man! Ill try again tomorrow ive sadly just came back from my studio after 3 hours of fight with my snare hehe but ill change the head tomorrow and ill give it a try, :) thanks for the tip! And again thank u so much for the answer!
@@ferpniche and did IT work? I AM maybe going to buy a PDP with wooden hoops
Kris, I have a 1969 Slingerland snare 5x14 medium tuned. I love the FAT sound of your VINTAGE MARCHING SNARE...why did you decide to use this on a kit rather than standard kit snare???
Hey! That’s cool! This is just a knot her sound to have in the arsenal. This fat gushy sound is used in a lot of types of music today and these vintage marchers are a cool way to get it. I’ve got several other normal drum set style snares I use all the time too.
Sound great! I have my eye on a 30's Slingerland marching snare like yours. It has wood hoops and is single tension....not sure if I want to modify it or not if I get it. Did the old throw off function ok on your drum? I think I would have to replace the snares at least to get a good sound and response out of it.
AR Drummer hey, cool! Years later and after becoming more of a vintage drum enthusiast, I really regret doing this conversion. There are really cool useable tones you can get from the single tension models. If you want this functionality, I’d find a drum that’s already dual tension (I saw like 3 on eBay yesterday for under $150!). If they have gut snares, you would want to put modern wires on. Cloud badge Slingerlands are killer drums!
@@KrisRedusJazz Thanks for the info. I already ordered the snare for $95. Not sure what I will do. It's going to be a drum I will keep forever, so I'm not worried about resell value. Something to think about for sure.
Kris this is a great video! how did you mic this recording? Sounds so rad!
Gregory Samek thanks, man! So there’s a mic on kick, a large diaphragm condenser behind me and the two stereo condensers built into my video camera (Zoom Q8) which is about 4 feet in front of the kit. All going direct into the camera. No post processing or EQ at all. This is basically all unaffected room sound.
What's the duco marching bass off to the side, and how does that super shallow bass drum sound?
Nathan Stewart that’s a Keller maple 24x8 that I built. I have several videos of it on my page here 😃. It was originally a turquoise blue then I repainted it duco. Check it out
Hey man! Absolutely love this video, went out and got the same exact snare myself actually! Nice little eBay find. What are you using as a reasonant head in the video? Clear Ambassador or something different? Thought maybe it could be a Clear Diplomat too
Tucker Fleming Drums Awesome, dude! I've got a Ludwig stock snareside head on it.
Awesome man thank you for letting me know! Keep up the fantastic videos!
What kind of snare wires are you using? I have a Slingerland 10x14 and i'm using Tama super sensitive hi-carbon 14" wires. I can't seem to get them to sit correctly, do I need larger wires?
Rod Stewart I have basic puresound 25 strands on this drum. One thing I’ve noticed about 14x10’s they are prone lots lots of wild overtones which cause the snare wires to get out of control. One thing I do to loosen the lugs on either side of the wires (all 4) .... or tighten the outside lugs more. This usually shortens the wire sustain a lot.
@@KrisRedusJazz Wow! This trick really works, I'm getting a nice crisp pop out of it now!! Would never had known. I guess it's vital of a marching snare drum in this size for that type of tuning tension. Saved me from buying new snares. Thanks dude! Subbed.
Rod Stewart awesome, man! I actually never knew that trick until I saw Cody from Sounds Like A Drum mention it. Credit goes to him! That works on all types of snares.
Hey man, I really like your stuff!!! However, IMHO I thought the tuning before the last had a tad bit more backbeat.
DWmusic thanks man! Yeah, I can see that for sure. At this point it's all about what musical context it would be fitting in. It could easily move up or down a little and still stay in this tonal ball park.
Hi! Great sound, may I ask you what kind of condenser are you using in this recording?
Claudio Lillo Fossati thanks! It’s an SE Electronics 2200a
I just found a vintage WFL snare and changed all the hardware and hoops to try to recreate. Works pretty well, though the nuance you have there is better. Maybe it's the room? I have lots of mics on my kit, but s very dry room.
cjmst3k cool, man! What batter head do you have on there? I’ve only had good luck with a Coated emperor for this sound. Also, switching to modern snare wires was pretty crucial for a clean sound.... and yeah, my room here is totally untreated so there definitely some extra verb going on... it’s mostly room sound you’re hearing.
My head is an Evans G2 Coated. I assumed it was close enough to Coated emperor but I think I might swap it out. You really found an amazing sound with that arrangement Kris!
Actually, now that I think about it, I think I used an Evans Genera HD snare head. Which I think has tiny holes around the face. So, I think I'll get a Coated emperor soon to play with that.
cjmst3k oh yeah.... I don’t like the Evans heads with the holes. I like the head that sounds big and full on its own, and then I want to manage the dampening myself on top of the head. That’s why I think the emperor works well. And to my ears the G2 just doesn’t have the same magic 😜
Just ordered the Remo! We'll see what happens. :)
How do you even mount this deep type of snare
There are snare stands go go low enough. This stand is the Ludwig Atlas stand (You can find them for $40-50 used).
Hi Kris! What heads do you using in this bass drum?
Batebiria hey! I had a Calftone emad on batter and a fiberskyn ambassador with a felt strip on reso.
@@KrisRedusJazz thanks!
Sounds sick! How many plys is that snare drum?
Is how deeper the snaredrum the better the sound for this technique?
As a general rule, the deeper the snare, the more natural low end it will have. So yes, if you’re after a super low tone like this, a deep drum will produce it easier than a smaller one. You can still get amazing low fat tones out of some smaller snares... these deep ones just do it very well.
@@KrisRedusJazz and you have in a other video where you were talking about fat snares a White snare what sort of snare is it?
It was the episode 2 of low volume drumming
Yeah, that was a C&C Player Date 1 14x5.5 snare. All mahogany shell so it was able to do low fat tone really well too. I do wish that I had this Slingerland 14x10 when I made those videos because they would’ve sounded better with this snare 😜...
@@KrisRedusJazz african mahonie i think thank you for the fast response i have subbed
Hi.. this is really inspiring !!! Which heads and mufling do you use with this bass drum? Reso head looks like a Fiberskin Amb or thicker? Batter head? The sound is different at the beginning of the video and we can see a mufler on the floor :) The sound seems to be more mufled after the intro. Is there a hole in the reso head? Mufling inside? Thanks for your your answer. You didn't mention the reso snare head also. Thanks for the inspiration.
julmusikify thanks! The bass drum had a calf tone EMAD on batter and a Fiberskyn amb on reso with just a felt strip. Nothing inside at all and no port hole. I don’t think I used the muffler during this video.... I did show where the snare reso was at the beginning just for a reference. Thanks for watching! 😃
Ok thanks. Yes, calftone EMAD :) Did you try Fiberskyn P3 or Fiberskyn amb with felt strip on the batter head? Better than cafltone EMAD? I hesitate between those three possibilties but can't buy 3 heads just for chosing. I know that you don't like mufling rings, i do so but maybe you can help here. Same question for the resonant head, i was asking myself if it's better to get a Fiberskyn amb with felt strip as you do here or a Fiberskyn P3 without felt strip instead which can be more open as a starting point. For reso snare head, i was just wondering if it was a hazy amb or emp or diplomate? :) Thanks again.
julmusikify the calftone EMAD is the only head I tried for budget reasons also! 😜... but I chose that because I had heard examples of drums this size that didn’t have much punch or low end... I wanted to be able to use it as a main kick tone with a ton of punch and low end. EMADs are pretty amazing for that.... it’s not a tone I want all the time, but for this role, I decided it would work well. I haven’t had a chance to compare a fiberskyn P3 vs the amb with felt strip?... it would stand to reason that the P3 would be more open. I like the option of being able to take the felt strip out and get the crazy boom if I want it. So I think I’d still roll that way for tonal flexibility. You can also take the felt ring out of the EMAD for other tones too. Since I was running it without a port, I like lot of external options for adjusting the tone. The snare reso is just a normal snare side amb.
Ok.. thanks for the complete answer. I see the idea for the crazy boom option and join you with the no port and external options of mufling ! Did you try the Fiber amb + felt on batter head instead of the Calf Emad? Less low and punch? I will let you know when i had experimented the 3 heads.. in 1 or 2 years maybe hahaha :)
julmusikify no I didn’t try the amb+felt on batter, would’ve had to go without a reso.... but I’ve actually sold the drum since this video 😭 so I’ll never know!
How does brushes sound on this drum?
I use brushes on this snare all the time and it’s lovely! I just go a lot less on the dampening. Burying the brush for a backbeat takes care of a lot of the dampening and fatness.
Whoa, love this sound. What is that kick drum?
Topsy Turvy5 it’s a 70’s Ludwig 26x10 marching bass drum.
Thank you! Must get one!
Just wanna know where you got that beautiful bass? Would like to try it.
I found it super cheap on EBay. If you just search pretty often for "vintage marching bass drum" or just "vintage bass drum" these kind of things will come it. This one is a 26x10.
Hey there Kris! What heads/muffling are you using on that kick? Just got one same sizes and i'd love to have that sound :) Cheers from Spain.
VikAutofocus I had a Calftone EMAD on batter and a Fiberskyn Ambassador with a felt strip (no Port) on reso. Tuned pretty low (but still singing on batter. Tuned about a 4th higher on resl
@@KrisRedusJazz thanks for the quick answer
Kris Redus what size is it?
Listened to this on my studio monitors (with sub) and your kick rattles my windows... Probably the neighbors as well.
Steven Pryor lol!.... yeah man, it totally does. This thing slays!
How much was that bass drum?
Andrew Bosman I got it for $210 Shipped! 😃
Kris Redus Dang! I gotta start looking out for some of those!
Hey Kris! This sounds amazing! What kind of snare wires are you using on this?
Dan thanks man! I think they are puresound 20's
Cool! One more question if you don't mind... Is it hard to find a stand that will hold something that deep? I have an 8x14 now and at the stands lowest setting, it's borderline too high for me.
Also, thoughts on putting 42 strand snares on something this deep?
Yeah, the snare stand is tricky.... I found a great deal on the Ludwig Atlas stand used. It goes low enough (although I have to have the snare basket way wider than the drum to actually get the height comfortable. And I actually started out using this drum with 45 stand snare wires.... they were obnoxiously loud, haha.... other people noticed too, not just me. You heard more snare wires than drum tone .... not a pretty sound. That's been my only experience with 45s, so I can't say if I think it was just this deep a drum having that effect or if that's just what 45s do....
What stand are you using?
The Ludwig Atlas stand. One of the few I’ve found that goes low enough
Did you have to cut your stand down to get that on there?
Michael no, you can find snare stands short enough to take these. The one I use is the Ludwig Altas stand
looooove it! ^^
Gold:)
in short you just tune the top head low and deaden it with a load of muffling. No need to really fine tune it. The muffling is going to choke all the overtones out of the batter head anyway. You could just about use any type of batter head with this method. You're going to be choking it anyway, so it doesn't matter too much what head you're playing on.
alan duncan actually it matters a lot what kind of head you use. Have you tried to get this tone with an ambassador? Doesn't work as well.... and I really like keeping the head in tune because I like to still have body and resonance filling out this tone. That's where the bigness comes from. If you spend a lot of time trying to get these types of tones, you'll figure out that there's way more to it than tuning low and slapping muffling on....
Kris Redus yes, I've tried it before on a 7 x 14 WFL with similar results using an Ambassador. There's no real science to it. I turn my snares off while tuning the batter head too.
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covering half your head with long strips of tape isn't tuning, it's muffling to get 'effect sounds', not actual snare drum sound. not all snare drums are made for such low frequencies, even if you can fudge it enough to kinda simulate some. on the other hand, let's talk about that blue/silver duco kick drum.
ocho cabra yes, technically you’re correct. To me, it all falls under the umbrella of “tone shaping.” This is a tone that’s heavily used in modern music, and you just can’t get it by turning tension rods only... dampening is a major part of the equation. And my purpose here was showing how you can get that tone with vintage matching snares which are cheap and easy to find. This definitively won’t work on normal sized modern snares. That duco kick drum is a 24x8 that I made from a Keller shell, Slingerland sound king lugs, and some generic hardware I had laying around 😁
@@KrisRedusJazz 'modern music'. it's not worth treating such a beautiful drum this way.
ocho cabra ok, that’s fine if you think that 👍... I tend to think it honors the drum to keeping working. It’s not an obsolete piece of history. These drums can hold their own in any style of music and sound amazing. No sense in limiting them to one thing.
@@KrisRedusJazz i certainly didn't mean not to play it.
@@ocho611 dude what are you talking about lmao its not “disrespectful” to give a nice drum a new way to be played, and modern music is not inherently a bad thing
That's Fat? Sounds weak and sloppy.