I bet there's a lot of pissed off academics out there who put their blood, sweat and tears into writing rigorous and well researched grant applications to the UKRI resarch councils for often significantly smaller sums, have half of them rejected, and then see this bunch of clowns waltz in and grab half a million quid.
@@jmc000 Considering the research councils are supposed to have experts in a wide range of scientific fields in order to evaluate and decide on applications, this is rather troubling.
Especially when public funds are involved. This should be considered fraud at minimum and charged accordingly and they should have to pay back the money + fines.
Wow, the project owner's answer to that question about why they didn't get their 80% claim tested sounded like they'd taken a master class in 'ways avoid answering a question' from a politician, word salad until the person who asked it (hopefully) gets fatigued and moves on.
It would be fun to see TIPA on the stand while being interviewed by the lawyers who sued Alex Jones. Lawyer: "Can you tell me the question you just answered?"
@@GamingWithNikolas unfortunately, I can't find the clip. Until I, or someone else, links it we will have to go with "Source: Trust me, bro" on my claim this actually happened. But no, his brain full of those incredible supplements he is always pushing was not able to remember the question.
"They have no idea, what they are doing." That could not be further from the truth. They know exactly what they are doing. They are tricking people, who don't have technical understanding of the topic but instead just read the odd line here in there in some newspapers, into thinking, that their idea is actually smart. It is of course very dumb, but they make it sound plausible enough for a ton of people to give them a shitload of money.
They even tricked some stupid people at the british innovation fund that apparently have no idea about what they're throwing tax payers money at, that's by far the worst thing about all of this
Unfortunately, you are very much correct here. What bothers me most about that, is that a majority of people still does not appear to see that for what it is: fraud. Certainly not the governments who supposedly should at least try to protect the public from being exploited by such criminal enterprises (be that directly or though tax payer money). Heck, I don't remember the last time any government agency went after any such operation, even if they received reports from a significant amount of people. Public exposure of their shenanigans is a nice start. But until the people behind such scams are exposed and feel the hurt personally, preferably through legal prosecution, I don't see a snowball's chance in hell they'll give up ways.
Yeah, that's the worst part. The problem is not that they have no idea what they're doing. The problem is they absolutely know how to run a convincing enough scam.
This is what we get for not requiring enough science in our schools. The "Tipa Team" response to the scientist who pointed out the obvious flaws in the concept can't be intended to impress her (if anything it probably gave her a good laugh), it is just an attempt to bamboozle less-savvy investors. But, people want to believe, so...
It is simmilar in the fusion industry now - as plasma pyhsics is a real complex field, there are very few understanding the different approaches to the very end. This leads to a lot of funding to crazy ideas - and not enough money for the "real scientific" approaches. It just needs more education!!
There's enough science in the schools, but it's the rational, critical & holistic thinking that's completely missing. Education does not make someone intelligent. I was already embarrassed that CalTech and MIT students were "working" on the hyperloop w/o having a remote clue that Elon's claim "it's like an air hockey table" is idiotic at best w/regards to an evacuated system, but while this explanation from TIPA is technically valid (bandgaps, spins, etc), it didn't answer the question regarding reflectivity nor anything regarding the actual engineering and/or real/field efficiency measurements, so it's a non-sequitur (does not follow - a.k.a. bullshit). Either this person is an educated idiot, or a common criminal. Either way, it's not looking good. They will never take this to a 3rd party laboratory to be tested.
People are driven by manipulation. That's why we have ads, not realistic product recomendations. If I offered you to buy an ordinary banana, you might say no. But if I told you that it's from canary island, it does not contain palm oil, it contains vitamins and minerals and what's more, it's yellow, you might start thinking to get it 🤔
Yeah, it's bloody scary. And not just scientific advisors. Anything that's being "greenwashed" these days. Trouble is, us Nerds are not as good at communicating as the snake oil salesmen who we call politicians.
That's the most messed up part. People falling for Kickstarter's like this is one thing. But they got a grant? Did the government do zero due diligence? Even I, someone who knows very little about solar panels, immediately recognized that the plan was flawed. If they had shown the grant proposal to someone with some knowledge, they could have immediately known that it wasn't actually possible.
Why assume that? It’s much easier to believe that they just don’t understand the technology enough to realize why it won’t work. It would be a TERRIBLE scam - that’s a lot of work just to temporarily scam people out of a few dollars for a year or two until it gets discovered.
Hey Dave I work for First Solar, I've been an EE for 40 years and I have jokingly commented to our development team to make the panels transparent then all you have to do is set a big stack in your back yard, save lots of space! This "boondoggle" reminds me of that. It's too bad our politicians, who have no education, give these shysters our tax money. Keep up the great work! BMac
I'm not gonna claim I know lots, but I did think a proportion of photons pass through the cell, and can be reflected back (with a basic mirror?) for another chance? I thought in hot climates this caused extra heating and therefore loss in output so it wasn't used, but in say Norway they use this idea. Is any of this true? What proportions are we talking?
@@miff227 Maybe, A photovoltaic consists of a positive-negative junction. if a photon is in the bandgap, an electron will move into the negative side of the junction. If your photon passes through the material, then a mirror that reflects that specific bandgap could improve the efficiency. this could possibly enable you to make the P-N junction smaller to improve economics or junction efficiency. Heat is not a large factor in this because solar panels are not transparent, they absorb 100% of light into heat and hopefully, if you've hooked up a load. only 80% will be converted to heat and 20% into electricity. Though to improve efficiency of solar panels. most research is focused on multi-junction photovoltaics. Where high energy photons hit a higher p-n junction bandgap for higher voltage and the lower energy photons pass trough to a second junction to capture lower bandgap energy.
80% reflective solar panels are basicly a dirty bathroom mirror. A regular clean glass mirror is around 90-95% reflective. I don't see a lot of mirrors on the roofs of houses. That would be really bad having all these reflecting houses around. 🤣🤣🤣
Also, the aperture for the incident light is much less than the total area of the cells on the inside of the structure. Laying the cells out flat (or tilted) would give them more output.
Thats what I was thinking. The position we already use, a small angle in which the entire pannel gets basically all the light from the moment the sun comes up to a certain point all the way until its on the opposite side would get all the light for each cell instead of trying to get w/e is reflected. Even if the reflection was 80%, why are you trying to get that instead of going for the 100% directly?
@@JohannaMueller57 - The most energy that can be received from the sun is limited by the area letting the illumination into the receiver, even though the area of the cells is much larger.
Yeah, I think maybe the lens thing on the top sitting over a flat panel... maybe? Would do something useful IF for some reason you NEEDED to not have to tilt your panels and wanted to gather a bit more light regardless of the angle of the sun... but that's still dubious I think.
It does potentially replace energy needed to "aim" a panel, and might have some advantages at very low angles, but apart from a few edge cases this will always be slightly less efficient per solar panel
It is also noteworthy that 420Wp panels cost now around 90 Euro. The Tipa offers 45Wp according to their own statement, it is hence slightly less than an order of magnitude more expensive.
"420Wp panels cost now around 90 Euro" Where? That would be INCREDIBLY CHEAP. Most panel-prices i can find world-wide are around the 1$/Watt - for the absolute cheapest garbage that you dont want.
@@ABaumstumpf maybe not 90€, but you can get Trina Solar 420W Vertex S panels for around 120 - 150€ here in Austria for example and those aren't by far the worst, especially for the price. Probably even going to be a tad bit cheaper somewhere else in europe
Yeah that actually sounds pretty cheap considering the cost of all the parts they need alone. Not even talking about assembly which looks like a pita honestly
They are taking the total area of their panels and reducing it down to only the area of the roof of their little structure. So they would litearlly get more power by laying out each panel angled towards the sun; simply by the area of exposure. This is hilarious
Wow those solar panels are amazing, 80% reflective…that’s better than most reflective paint coatings. Actually most of the 4-8% you reflect on solar panels is not within the bands the silicon cell can absorb. The better way to capture more of the reflected light is use bifacial cells with a highly retro-reflective paint on the surface under the panel. I suspect the only improvements they are seeing is because of lensing effect allowing a slightly larger amount of highly angled light to hit the panel. However this increase usually comes with significantly more manufacturing cost which is not worth it to capture. They probably believe this is due to their reflection theory, and are going to spend tons of time trying to tune to something that doesn’t exist.
Sounds to me like this company is designed to achieve maximum sale value and / or share price in an IPO rather than develop an actual increased efficiency PV product. Surprised they didn't manage to include "blockchain" in there somewhere.
And being the intelligent individuals that they are, they waited until after interest rates went up and a couple of Silicon Valley VC banks went out of business to try to push this to IPO. Right after the VC funny money has already dried up and all the real tech companies are shedding employees like it's nobody's business. Smart.
Indeed, the notion of an enclosed receptacle imbued with the capacity to amass solar irradiance and potentially escalating its internal thermal profile to an extent evoking searing temperatures warrants a comprehensive and scientifically cogent disquisition to dispel the purported misapprehension. At first blush, the idea that such an arrangement would culminate in exorbitant heat levels seems intuitively plausible. The photovoltaic (PV) system, ostensibly designed to harvest solar radiation, appears to engender a counterintuitive predicament where the very radiation it is meant to harness might cause unbearable overheating within its confines. However, a closer examination bespeaks the presence of several mitigating factors and a more nuanced perspective that militates against such extreme thermal escalation. First and foremost, it is imperative to acknowledge that PV systems are engineered with a paramount objective of converting solar energy into electricity. The energy conversion process itself, while not perfectly efficient, necessarily dissipates a significant portion of the absorbed sunlight into electrical energy. This conversion inherently attenuates the extent of thermal buildup within the system. Moreover, PV systems are often equipped with mechanisms designed to dissipate excess heat, such as passive and active cooling systems. Passive cooling, often facilitated by heat sinks and thermal conductive materials, dissipates heat through radiation and conduction. Active cooling methods, which might entail the circulation of air or the use of liquid coolants, serve to maintain temperatures within permissible limits. Furthermore, the confinement of solar radiation within an enclosed space is not tantamount to an uncontrolled furnace-like environment. The principles of heat transfer and thermodynamics come into play. Heat transfer within the enclosed system would depend on a variety of factors, including the thermal conductivity of materials involved, the internal geometry, and the temperature differential between the interior and the exterior. Radiative heat transfer, for instance, operates as per the Stefan-Boltzmann law and depends on the fourth power of the temperature, thereby facilitating heat dissipation to the surroundings. Additionally, the efficiency of modern PV systems ensures that a significant proportion of solar energy is converted into electricity rather than being transformed into heat. This electrical energy can then be utilized for various purposes, which might include powering fans or ventilation systems that help regulate the internal temperature. In conclusion, while the initial conjecture regarding the internal temperature of a solar radiation-absorbing closed box seems plausible, a comprehensive evaluation of the physical principles and design features underlying contemporary PV systems evinces a sophisticated interplay of factors that ultimately militate against the prospect of an extreme heat buildup. The utilization of energy conversion processes, cooling mechanisms, and the principles of heat transfer collectively serve to maintain an internally sustainable and non-incendiary thermal equilibrium. In essence, the suggestion that such a closed box would become unbearably hot when exposed to solar radiation is, in the light of these scientific considerations, a misapprehension that does not withstand the scrutiny of scientific inquiry.
@@nmayor4232 Eventually all that concentrated photonic quantum power is harnessed to create a desktop black hole...which will radiate quasar power ten times more than the incident solar radiation....
I'm no physicist... But if the device should ideally have a large surface area... and I see everything other than that surface area... I have questions... lol [Edit: I just realized by utilizing a micro-black hole at the top of each unit, light that would typically miss the unit would be bent to enter the unit and be directed to the panels. I'm sure someone could create a computer animation to show how it works.]
The difficulty of keeping ordinary matter away from the black hole will obviate any benefit you get from gravitational lensing of the photons which won't be much in a black hole small enough to not break the stand it's containment is on. Photons directed at the black hole would also decrease the efficiency. Fortunately we have technology right now that would work a lot better. It would be a lot easier to steer them with a gradient-index lens, left handed material or a nonlinear optic depending on how much you need them to bend and in what direction.
@samfedorka5629 actually, if we throw out the solar panel part and have a black hole, if I remember correctly it's gravity can be used as the second most efficient power sorce other than anti mater. I think anyway.
Tiny Blackholes? I LOVE IT, this is some top tier outside the box thinking! Why angle your panels to capture the maximum amount of light... when you can simply bend the light to suit the angle of the panels! 😂
@@sirtra slap those babies on the road and you can have full self driving cars by simply removing the parking break and let the black-holes pull you along your way for a greener safer kids friendly eco city.
@@KeyDx7 you appreciate someone you haven't watched in years and is a bit chaotic and emotional for your liking.. because he holds a negative opinion about another public figure which aligns with yours. That's one very wordy way to say "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" Not quite my style, but each to their own i guess 😊
@@sirtra some of his chemistry videos are pretty cool just for the fact that he puts nearly the whole experiment on display for anyone to see. Not a chemist but those videos are pretty inspiring stuff.
😂 seems like quite a high-effort way of earning a living, tbh. You gotta keep coming up with crazy new ideas that sound plausible to the uninitiated while fighting off those who are willing to point out the obvious floors in your thinking 😅
@@KeyDx7 Heh! In all seriousness though, I found a single linkedin post that has a diagram of its operation, if you search for it on Google it's pretty much the only legitimate result, no publications, no patents. I'm no expert on fluid thermodynamics, but my bullshit detector is on high alert after this thing.
I'm trying to think up the next greatest Kickstarter to scam some money. Accept that in the neighborhood of 70% of the incident solar light is converted to heat, mount the solarelectic cells to pyroelectric cells to convert the waste heat as scavenged energy.
Did a quick search, cannot find any evidence of a patent being filled... Which is lucky, as some patent examiner might have laughed themselves to death... What a complete shemozzle.
Is it not the case that Patents in the US tend to be automatically approved? - the Patent Office taking the view that the courts can sort things out at a later date. Saves the waste of intellect in the Patent Office.
It is guaranteed to be worse than a normal solar panel. They will not output the claimed 45W but they will hide that with the integrated battery. The solar input area is 0.1m^2 so max they will get is 20W but likely it will be less than that.
How the f are they gonna cool down the panels to maintain the efficiency? The thermodynamic agitation in semiconductors must a been outta of their holistic approach.
I'd expect lower efficiency once they start using full panels because the lighting will be uneven so the series string will get random output on each cell and that's just never goiung to work out well.
Any ever so slight advantage to conventional solar panels, i.e. the reflecting of like 2% of the incident radiation, will be instantly more than covered with losses in the mirrors and lenses. And then you can start to think about uneven load, etc.
I bet it they will make it foldable, in unfold configuration without "hat" it will be more efficient. Just because in this case more surface area of panels will be light by direct sunlight.
Would love to know how they plan on condensing nitrogen back to liquid nitrogen after using the sun to heat it. It's a pretty energy intensive process... If we are talking a large volume of gas (needed to drive a turbine) then a large gas compressor and condensers are needed which means another cooling circuit. Even compressing it to 20bar you still need to cool it to below roughly -160C to form liquid. You will not be able to generate more power from the solar energy put into the gas than it takes to re-condense it.
The only (!) usable use case for these devices is on the north or south pole for an unmanned automatic station without moving parts to make optimal usage of the sunlight in the summers as that comes from 360° around. A small but important part of all possible usages.
Of course it's heat.. I design and manufacture smart solar street lights where heat is my enemy. We have forced air cooling to keep panel temp down and especially our battery temperature low..
Silicon can only absorb a fixed amount of energy at any given moment, but it also doesn't absorb the entire light spectrum. You have a little conversion loss by heat but most of it passes though without issue. The waste light becomes heat in large part because they pit a backing behind the silicon... They've tried stacking the silicon inside the panel, but now a large part of the absorbable spectrum is gone, so your fighting for scraps at that point at almost double the manufacturing cost. They've using alternative materials to absorb different parts of the spectrum, than layered together, it catches more, I believe that is how they made the most efficient solar panel to date (30-35%) but its lab only (or nasa). Its projected that 50% efficiency will be possible with this method as they research and refine the chemistries.
I love it when I see these crowdfunders for things that could have prototypes that could be made in a shed in less than a month during one's spare time for up to a couple of hundred bucks, yet for some reason, it's nothing but renders. It's amazing this one actually has a "prototype"
@@Cerberus984 It's just intuition, gut-feeling that's not really worth anything, but I had the impression that the SP people were sincere believers in their idea, at least initially. Whereas this and several other alleged "inventions" sound more like something originally conceived as a scam.
The problem is not the 80% reflection, it is that even if something were reflected, it would be in a wavelength that the next cell could not convert. If it were, the first cell would have absorbed it 😂
Don’t be too hard on them. There was nothing in their video to suggest they have any concept of maths whatsoever. To be an inventor you only need patents, none of this maths rubbish!
As an added (negative) bonus, boxing their solar cells inside a little house, without both sides exposed to ambient air and wind as is normal for a solar panel, will heat them up and push their output below their rated efficiency and below that of a comparable panel sitting beside it.
Opposite of "bonus" (lit. "good thing" in Latin) is "malus". Not really a correction, just a fun fact, as obviously almost nobody would understand what you mean if you said "malus".
The Shockley-Queisser limit assumes you absorb every photon above a given energy level (true for single material p-n junction, such as Silicon). The problem dropping the efficiency to 33-ish% is recombination & thermal loss within the material. Not every bit of absorbed photon translates to usable electrical energy. Absorbing more of the light just gets you closer to that 33-ish%, but cannot get you above it without some fancy multi-junction technology
So the "goal" was to raise 5000 pounds -- what the hell is 5000 pounds going to do for them. We are living at a time when grifters rule the roost, and grifters are everywhere. Since this system appears to have zero losses the photons should bounce around until all of them have been collected resulting in 100% efficiency -- why did they stop after the fourth interaction?
@@SomeMorganSomewhere OK, that makes sense, but, come on, wouldn't $250K have been a more believable figure? It just constantly amazed me that so many people are so gullible.
949,920.00 in yanky bucks assuming they raised 800,000 British Pounds. So they raised damn near a million US dollars! As an American i cant belive it. Im not smart and dont claim to be, but even i know that for solar energy you need to either have LARGE solar panels or I seen some solar facilities that use mirrors to shine a LARGE amount of light at some sort of tower thing in the middle. I can tell by looking at the first 45 seconds of the video that that box with a window on top isnt going to absorb the large amount of light needed.
That's nothing yet. I am getting flooded by commercials advertising a revolutionary device, invariably designed by Dutch Engineers. One is for a mini Infrared (or blower? Not specjfied) as small as a packet of cigarettes, capable of heating a room in 2 minites, an using less than halve of the energy of traditional elevtric heaters! All disregarding the fact that electrical heating has an efficiency of 100% (once the energy is in the home)! Clearly all blatant lies!
I’m not an engineer or anything. Just a hillbilly that likes learning. So this is probably a dumb question. If the solar panel was pre-heated to a temperature above what the thermal loss would be, could that improve efficiency?
No. Solar panels use photons from sunlight to energize electrons in a semiconductor to create electricity, but the more a panel heats up, the more electrons there will already be in a excited state, which means less electrons producing a lower voltage and lower efficiency as a result. The cooler a panel is, the more electrons that are free to be energized for producing electricity. Preheating a panel will only excite electrons and waste potential.
For every unit sold per quarter, a baby seal is saved. For all units remaining in inventory, at the end of the year, a baby seal is slaughtered along with 2 kittens, 3 velveteen rabbits, and a puppy.
Use the heat to run vacuum generator, to run water circulation system, to a heat storage system. The More You Make Usage of, the more efficient you get, DON'T WASTE ANYTHING AND KEEP IT SIMPLE...💯
They plan small greenhouses, the hotter solar panel is the less efficient. Prism on top will reflect light and create irregular illumination (shadows) reducing any gains.
At first I was wondering if this was a pure scam or some level of lack of knowledge. After that word salad reply from the company I'm fairly sure it is just a scam.
You could easily coat the cells to be 80% reflective. But that doesn’t make any sense as you would still get only 20% efficiency of the 20% that are actually going to reach the cell.
I want to add: Here in Europe currently PV modules with 400 kWp start at under 60 € (new, not used!). PERC (reflective back side) is also standard a while now.
The power per catcher area is going to worse than regular solar panels, because they're going to lose some through the dome thing on top and lose some because they're not facing directly at the sun, and lose some because some of the panels will obscured by the rest of the barrel. I don't think the internal reflections will help at all.
20:15 how do they propose to recondense the Nitrogen? Magic? Handwaving? or using more energy than they extracted from boiling the stuff in the first place?
Well, of course. Why would TH-cam allow him (and pay him per view) to publish a video that advertises his opposition platform that accesses TH-cam's content whilst eliminating their revenue stream?
@@johncoops6897 It's not TH-cams content though, it's the creators content. As I understand it all the app does is give a list of platforms where that person's content is available. I can understand why TH-cam was pissed about it, but I'm not sure how they can claim it violates their TOS.
@@MattyEngland - diverting customers away from their platform. Think of notice boards being erected inside Burger King by their meat supploer that suggest that customers should go to a different store to get a better burger. See my following comment re TOS...
@@MattyEngland - from a very quick look at the TOS, they could use these... ... _Links to websites, apps, or other sources that give unauthorized access to audio content, audiovisual content, video games, software, or streaming services that normally require payment_ . ... _This policy applies to video, audio, channel, comments, pinned comments, live streams, and any other TH-cam product or feature. Links can take any form that would direct a user to a site off TH-cam. These links include: clickable urls, showing text of urls in videos or images, and obfuscated urls (such as writing “dot com” instead of “.com”). These links can also include verbally directing users to other sites, encouraging viewers to visit creator profiles or pages on other sites, or promising violative content on other sites. This list is not complete_ . ... Those last 2 sentences especially 👆
It looks like the TIPA ads are confusing the 20% efficiency with 80% of the light is reflected, as opposed to absorbed by not producing power (that is, it just heats up the cells).
Don't forget that you don't get 20% at high angles of light incidence either. On top of that, raising the temperature lowers efficiency. That is why solar panels are lifted off roofs and not flat on it: air underneath for passive cooling.
Perhaps we should launch a N10 petition to force the government do discuss in parliament the awarding of funding with proper due diligence. I went over all of the options for mirrors before I was out of high school. Seems civil servants and politicians never reached high school.
I can see one possible advantage to something like this: The cells are vertical, and the little pagoda at top could be used to bring in light from many angles. With the right geometries this MIGHT provide a benefit in that it increases the collection angle without the complexity of devices to track the sun. Complexity, not cost, because you need way more panels than a standard flat array with sun tracking.
Wow, the technical explanation really cleared it up! You're totally wrong, Dave. It is doubling phonons by the modial interaction of magneto-reluctance and capacitive directance.
I didn't realize that the 200-year-old concept of a fresnel lens was "revolutionary". I guess that's why they didn't put me in charge of reviewing UKRI grants. I also didn't realize that all those active cooling loops on solar panels were pointless, because all the light that isn't turned into electricity is just reflected.
They may get a few percent more with the reflection stuff. Definitely nothing revolutionary. But even letting that alone the geometry is utterly ineffective. The light going into that chamber is still limited by the crosssection of the lens up there. It cant get (much) more than a flat panel would get. And if the sun is so low that it does, it will obscure part of the neighbouring element. But now think about the amount of solar cells used here. Instead filling just the floor, they have to cover all the walls. So they have to build in even MORE than for just a flat panel. And most of it is almost completely useless. Unly a small part of the cells actually gets the direct light, the rest will get reflected light at best. Ridiculous!
Any possible gains via reflection will be immediately lost via heat build up on the PV elements (heat is PV's enemy #1) to the point it would be considerably less efficient (not to mention shorten the lifespan of the electronic components inside that oven).
Forget how well it reflects. More important to know _Where_ it reflects. A modest shadow on one corner of a big panel kills its performance. Uneven light distribution over the surface of a panel just generates heat, the opposite of desirable. And before anyone gets bright ideas, using a mirror to boost the solar energy hitting a panel can fry that panel on a clear day.
They made a crucial mistake, the wasted energy isn't reflected light, it's heat. So what we need, is stick thermal electric generators on the back, this time, we'll get at least half of that 80% heat, for a total 200% increase in efficiency!
if you "unwrapped" those solar cells into a flat panel, it'd probably work a lot better and have multiple times the output. even though the electricity is free, those solar cells sure aren't. I can't believe (even if this thing worked perfectly) that it'd be cost effective to waste all that collection area just to try and capture some of the reflected light. I am surprised no one's tried to put peltier junctions behind a solar panel to try and capture some more energy from the heat, using a small fan powered by the panel/peltiers to cool the "cold" side.
People have tried it, it's called "thermal PV". Usually peltier devices aren't used, but rather the waste heat in the cooling water is exchanged into a home heating system or water heater.
Mirrors can be used to expand the coverage area of a panel. Which would be worth it if panels were still as expensive as 20 years ago. But nowadays, those mirrors and the active tracking to point them towards the panels are much more expensive than simply adding more panels. We're at a point where mounting panels in a way that they never can exceed 40% peak is still economically viable.
@@HenryLoenwind Figured as much. I have been getting ads for "biphasic" solar panels that collect light from both sides. (not sure how that works when mounted to a roof, like most of the ad's photos are). A low cost reflector might be the thing to develop if you are an engineer. Which i am not.
Most of the lost energy in solar is due to the limitation of light wavelengths that silicon cells can absorb. Ultra high efficiency solar cells use a multi-layered material where each material is tuned to utilize a different wavelength of light. Because materials can only use this limited spectrum all other wavelengths are absorbed and lost as heat into the cell.
I bet there's a lot of pissed off academics out there who put their blood, sweat and tears into writing rigorous and well researched grant applications to the UKRI resarch councils for often significantly smaller sums, have half of them rejected, and then see this bunch of clowns waltz in and grab half a million quid.
@@jmc000 Considering the research councils are supposed to have experts in a wide range of scientific fields in order to evaluate and decide on applications, this is rather troubling.
It’s not what you know, it’s who you know.
Yup, normal stuff is no competition to 6x power from a solar cell I am afraid :(
Kudos to Dr. Juliane Borchert and also to Dave for the debunking series!
@@Croz89 Yeah, but this is probably the better direction to fail in. Better to occasionally fund fluff than to miss something really important.
I'll give them some credit at least for coming up with an idea that doesn't involve driving on top of the damn things.
Coming soon to a carnival near to you: The new TIPA powered Solar Wall of Death Motordrome!
I would have added a ionic rays distributor.
You could use those spiky solar things as tank barriers. Make clean energy and get your enemys tanks stuck on top! Solar-Frickin'-Tank-Traps!
Excellent❤
@@RingManiac With ionic rays distributors please. 🙃
Scams like this must be a crime. There is no way they are doing this in good faith. We need exemplary punishments for the people behind this.
Especially when public funds are involved. This should be considered fraud at minimum and charged accordingly and they should have to pay back the money + fines.
@@fredfred2363that’s the thing, his name isn’t mud because we consumers are fucking idiots.
Wow, the project owner's answer to that question about why they didn't get their 80% claim tested sounded like they'd taken a master class in 'ways avoid answering a question' from a politician, word salad until the person who asked it (hopefully) gets fatigued and moves on.
It was an impressive display of AI prompt engineering skills.
The TIPA response is a protracted example of: if you don’t like the message, then attack the messenger.
It would be fun to see TIPA on the stand while being interviewed by the lawyers who sued Alex Jones.
Lawyer: "Can you tell me the question you just answered?"
@seeigecannon I want to see that, did Alix Jones remember the question?
@@GamingWithNikolas unfortunately, I can't find the clip. Until I, or someone else, links it we will have to go with "Source: Trust me, bro" on my claim this actually happened.
But no, his brain full of those incredible supplements he is always pushing was not able to remember the question.
"They have no idea, what they are doing."
That could not be further from the truth. They know exactly what they are doing. They are tricking people, who don't have technical understanding of the topic but instead just read the odd line here in there in some newspapers, into thinking, that their idea is actually smart. It is of course very dumb, but they make it sound plausible enough for a ton of people to give them a shitload of money.
They even tricked some stupid people at the british innovation fund that apparently have no idea about what they're throwing tax payers money at, that's by far the worst thing about all of this
My thoughts also, seen it happen so often with IoT products... Just pure marketing wank.
Unfortunately, you are very much correct here. What bothers me most about that, is that a majority of people still does not appear to see that for what it is: fraud. Certainly not the governments who supposedly should at least try to protect the public from being exploited by such criminal enterprises (be that directly or though tax payer money). Heck, I don't remember the last time any government agency went after any such operation, even if they received reports from a significant amount of people. Public exposure of their shenanigans is a nice start. But until the people behind such scams are exposed and feel the hurt personally, preferably through legal prosecution, I don't see a snowball's chance in hell they'll give up ways.
Yeah, that's the worst part. The problem is not that they have no idea what they're doing. The problem is they absolutely know how to run a convincing enough scam.
This is what we get for not requiring enough science in our schools. The "Tipa Team" response to the scientist who pointed out the obvious flaws in the concept can't be intended to impress her (if anything it probably gave her a good laugh), it is just an attempt to bamboozle less-savvy investors. But, people want to believe, so...
It reminded me of the time Batteriser posted a 40-50min response video to my criticism. It was just so much crap I lost the will to repond.
It is simmilar in the fusion industry now - as plasma pyhsics is a real complex field, there are very few understanding the different approaches to the very end. This leads to a lot of funding to crazy ideas - and not enough money for the "real scientific" approaches.
It just needs more education!!
One would belive that people that give up research granted have finish elemntary school science. But.. that is obviusly not the case.
There's enough science in the schools, but it's the rational, critical & holistic thinking that's completely missing. Education does not make someone intelligent. I was already embarrassed that CalTech and MIT students were "working" on the hyperloop w/o having a remote clue that Elon's claim "it's like an air hockey table" is idiotic at best w/regards to an evacuated system, but while this explanation from TIPA is technically valid (bandgaps, spins, etc), it didn't answer the question regarding reflectivity nor anything regarding the actual engineering and/or real/field efficiency measurements, so it's a non-sequitur (does not follow - a.k.a. bullshit).
Either this person is an educated idiot, or a common criminal. Either way, it's not looking good. They will never take this to a 3rd party laboratory to be tested.
People are driven by manipulation. That's why we have ads, not realistic product recomendations.
If I offered you to buy an ordinary banana, you might say no. But if I told you that it's from canary island, it does not contain palm oil, it contains vitamins and minerals and what's more, it's yellow, you might start thinking to get it 🤔
At last! PV panels that actually SHOULD be driven on!
Just put mirrors under cars!
If the UK government had any scientific advisors who are listened to then it would have saved £0.5 million. Clearly they do not.
They spent all the money they could've paid advisors with on this garbage
Yeah, it's bloody scary. And not just scientific advisors. Anything that's being "greenwashed" these days.
Trouble is, us Nerds are not as good at communicating as the snake oil salesmen who we call politicians.
We have SAGE, do I need to say more?
Could you imagine Thunderf00t heading that? Those lobbying conmen would run crying.
That's the most messed up part. People falling for Kickstarter's like this is one thing. But they got a grant? Did the government do zero due diligence? Even I, someone who knows very little about solar panels, immediately recognized that the plan was flawed. If they had shown the grant proposal to someone with some knowledge, they could have immediately known that it wasn't actually possible.
They know exactly what they are doing, they are pulling a scam.
Why assume that? It’s much easier to believe that they just don’t understand the technology enough to realize why it won’t work. It would be a TERRIBLE scam - that’s a lot of work just to temporarily scam people out of a few dollars for a year or two until it gets discovered.
Hey Dave I work for First Solar, I've been an EE for 40 years and I have jokingly commented to our development team to make the panels transparent then all you have to do is set a big stack in your back yard, save lots of space! This "boondoggle" reminds me of that. It's too bad our politicians, who have no education, give these shysters our tax money. Keep up the great work! BMac
I'm not gonna claim I know lots, but I did think a proportion of photons pass through the cell, and can be reflected back (with a basic mirror?) for another chance?
I thought in hot climates this caused extra heating and therefore loss in output so it wasn't used, but in say Norway they use this idea.
Is any of this true? What proportions are we talking?
@@miff227 Maybe, A photovoltaic consists of a positive-negative junction. if a photon is in the bandgap, an electron will move into the negative side of the junction. If your photon passes through the material, then a mirror that reflects that specific bandgap could improve the efficiency. this could possibly enable you to make the P-N junction smaller to improve economics or junction efficiency. Heat is not a large factor in this because solar panels are not transparent, they absorb 100% of light into heat and hopefully, if you've hooked up a load. only 80% will be converted to heat and 20% into electricity.
Though to improve efficiency of solar panels. most research is focused on multi-junction photovoltaics. Where high energy photons hit a higher p-n junction bandgap for higher voltage and the lower energy photons pass trough to a second junction to capture lower bandgap energy.
80% reflective solar panels are basicly a dirty bathroom mirror. A regular clean glass mirror is around 90-95% reflective. I don't see a lot of mirrors on the roofs of houses. That would be really bad having all these reflecting houses around. 🤣🤣🤣
Also, the aperture for the incident light is much less than the total area of the cells on the inside of the structure. Laying the cells out flat (or tilted) would give them more output.
Thats what I was thinking. The position we already use, a small angle in which the entire pannel gets basically all the light from the moment the sun comes up to a certain point all the way until its on the opposite side would get all the light for each cell instead of trying to get w/e is reflected.
Even if the reflection was 80%, why are you trying to get that instead of going for the 100% directly?
@@JohannaMueller57 - The most energy that can be received from the sun is limited by the area letting the illumination into the receiver, even though the area of the cells is much larger.
Yeah, I think maybe the lens thing on the top sitting over a flat panel... maybe? Would do something useful IF for some reason you NEEDED to not have to tilt your panels and wanted to gather a bit more light regardless of the angle of the sun... but that's still dubious I think.
It does potentially replace energy needed to "aim" a panel, and might have some advantages at very low angles, but apart from a few edge cases this will always be slightly less efficient per solar panel
It is also noteworthy that 420Wp panels cost now around 90 Euro. The Tipa offers 45Wp according to their own statement, it is hence slightly less than an order of magnitude more expensive.
@@JamesBiggar That's like 2 phone chargers. I'd call that "multiple" so that checks out 🆒⚠️
"420Wp panels cost now around 90 Euro"
Where? That would be INCREDIBLY CHEAP. Most panel-prices i can find world-wide are around the 1$/Watt - for the absolute cheapest garbage that you dont want.
@@ABaumstumpf maybe not 90€, but you can get Trina Solar 420W Vertex S panels for around 120 - 150€ here in Austria for example and those aren't by far the worst, especially for the price. Probably even going to be a tad bit cheaper somewhere else in europe
@@yeet1337 remove VAT and/or retail markup... easily be ~90€. Refurnished go around that price, used one go even cheaper.
@@mindaugasstankus5943 True
At $50 per TIPA I seriously doubt they will ever ship anything.
Yeah that actually sounds pretty cheap considering the cost of all the parts they need alone. Not even talking about assembly which looks like a pita honestly
@@yeet1337 TIPA: This Is a Painful Assembly
@@yeet1337 at this price, you could actually get one and strip it for the solar panels
They are taking the total area of their panels and reducing it down to only the area of the roof of their little structure. So they would litearlly get more power by laying out each panel angled towards the sun; simply by the area of exposure. This is hilarious
Unless they put 2 by 2 inch Aliexpress cells designed for thinkering with Arduino and stuff 😅😅
Wow those solar panels are amazing, 80% reflective…that’s better than most reflective paint coatings.
Actually most of the 4-8% you reflect on solar panels is not within the bands the silicon cell can absorb. The better way to capture more of the reflected light is use bifacial cells with a highly retro-reflective paint on the surface under the panel.
I suspect the only improvements they are seeing is because of lensing effect allowing a slightly larger amount of highly angled light to hit the panel. However this increase usually comes with significantly more manufacturing cost which is not worth it to capture. They probably believe this is due to their reflection theory, and are going to spend tons of time trying to tune to something that doesn’t exist.
Coat houses in solar panels, save on A/C costs while generating electricity!
TIPA reminds me of the old saying "if you can't blind them with your brilliance, baffle them with bullshit!"
Sounds to me like this company is designed to achieve maximum sale value and / or share price in an IPO rather than develop an actual increased efficiency PV product. Surprised they didn't manage to include "blockchain" in there somewhere.
And artificial intelligence - this year's favourite buzzword!
And being the intelligent individuals that they are, they waited until after interest rates went up and a couple of Silicon Valley VC banks went out of business to try to push this to IPO. Right after the VC funny money has already dried up and all the real tech companies are shedding employees like it's nobody's business. Smart.
Especially when they're making chains of hexagonal blocks.
If word salad were a power source, they could power the world! 🤣🤣
Electrons have a spin therefore the quantum phonon yield for a triple quad setup panel©®™ is gonna be 500% higher than any of that elite researcher crap that they din't want us to know so that they can sell us fossile fuels!!!!1!1!
Your not wrong lol
Wouldn't it get extremely hot inside? Considering you absorbing all the sun light in a closed box.
That's just free extra phonons, bingo!
But it excites the quantum photons.
Indeed, the notion of an enclosed receptacle imbued with the capacity to amass solar irradiance and potentially escalating its internal thermal profile to an extent evoking searing temperatures warrants a comprehensive and scientifically cogent disquisition to dispel the purported misapprehension.
At first blush, the idea that such an arrangement would culminate in exorbitant heat levels seems intuitively plausible. The photovoltaic (PV) system, ostensibly designed to harvest solar radiation, appears to engender a counterintuitive predicament where the very radiation it is meant to harness might cause unbearable overheating within its confines. However, a closer examination bespeaks the presence of several mitigating factors and a more nuanced perspective that militates against such extreme thermal escalation.
First and foremost, it is imperative to acknowledge that PV systems are engineered with a paramount objective of converting solar energy into electricity. The energy conversion process itself, while not perfectly efficient, necessarily dissipates a significant portion of the absorbed sunlight into electrical energy. This conversion inherently attenuates the extent of thermal buildup within the system.
Moreover, PV systems are often equipped with mechanisms designed to dissipate excess heat, such as passive and active cooling systems. Passive cooling, often facilitated by heat sinks and thermal conductive materials, dissipates heat through radiation and conduction. Active cooling methods, which might entail the circulation of air or the use of liquid coolants, serve to maintain temperatures within permissible limits.
Furthermore, the confinement of solar radiation within an enclosed space is not tantamount to an uncontrolled furnace-like environment. The principles of heat transfer and thermodynamics come into play. Heat transfer within the enclosed system would depend on a variety of factors, including the thermal conductivity of materials involved, the internal geometry, and the temperature differential between the interior and the exterior. Radiative heat transfer, for instance, operates as per the Stefan-Boltzmann law and depends on the fourth power of the temperature, thereby facilitating heat dissipation to the surroundings.
Additionally, the efficiency of modern PV systems ensures that a significant proportion of solar energy is converted into electricity rather than being transformed into heat. This electrical energy can then be utilized for various purposes, which might include powering fans or ventilation systems that help regulate the internal temperature.
In conclusion, while the initial conjecture regarding the internal temperature of a solar radiation-absorbing closed box seems plausible, a comprehensive evaluation of the physical principles and design features underlying contemporary PV systems evinces a sophisticated interplay of factors that ultimately militate against the prospect of an extreme heat buildup. The utilization of energy conversion processes, cooling mechanisms, and the principles of heat transfer collectively serve to maintain an internally sustainable and non-incendiary thermal equilibrium.
In essence, the suggestion that such a closed box would become unbearably hot when exposed to solar radiation is, in the light of these scientific considerations, a misapprehension that does not withstand the scrutiny of scientific inquiry.
Yes. It would also be perfectly black. Like the darkest darkness imaginible.
@@nmayor4232 Eventually all that concentrated photonic quantum power is harnessed to create a desktop black hole...which will radiate quasar power ten times more than the incident solar radiation....
I'm no physicist... But if the device should ideally have a large surface area... and I see everything other than that surface area...
I have questions... lol
[Edit: I just realized by utilizing a micro-black hole at the top of each unit, light that would typically miss the unit would be bent to enter the unit and be directed to the panels. I'm sure someone could create a computer animation to show how it works.]
Million dollar Kickstarter
The difficulty of keeping ordinary matter away from the black hole will obviate any benefit you get from gravitational lensing of the photons which won't be much in a black hole small enough to not break the stand it's containment is on. Photons directed at the black hole would also decrease the efficiency. Fortunately we have technology right now that would work a lot better.
It would be a lot easier to steer them with a gradient-index lens, left handed material or a nonlinear optic depending on how much you need them to bend and in what direction.
@samfedorka5629 actually, if we throw out the solar panel part and have a black hole, if I remember correctly it's gravity can be used as the second most efficient power sorce other than anti mater. I think anyway.
Tiny Blackholes?
I LOVE IT, this is some top tier outside the box thinking!
Why angle your panels to capture the maximum amount of light... when you can simply bend the light to suit the angle of the panels!
😂
@@sirtra slap those babies on the road and you can have full self driving cars by simply removing the parking break and let the black-holes pull you along your way for a greener safer kids friendly eco city.
These mini greenhouses should be good for hot working environment which we know the panels just love.
That UKRI grant is absolute shame. All bureaucrats who had anything to do with it should be ashamed. “Total photonic absorption” - just SMH.
Thanks for continuing the BUSTED videos. Some of my favorite content
Dave's BUSTED videos are my fav ever since thunderFOOT went full REeee-tard over Musk.
Never go full r'tard 😉
@@KeyDx7 you appreciate someone you haven't watched in years and is a bit chaotic and emotional for your liking.. because he holds a negative opinion about another public figure which aligns with yours.
That's one very wordy way to say "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Not quite my style, but each to their own i guess 😊
@@Okurka. Stay mad bro ✌️
@@Okurka. Uh huh, you clearly don't know the reference if you think what i said is going full tard
@@sirtra some of his chemistry videos are pretty cool just for the fact that he puts nearly the whole experiment on display for anyone to see. Not a chemist but those videos are pretty inspiring stuff.
The fatal flaw in the idea, they can't be used on roadways....
'Green Energy" is short form for "We are going to fleece suckers out of large amounts of green backs".
It's sad how scammers like this get so much money and can finance their life with it without working.
😂 seems like quite a high-effort way of earning a living, tbh. You gotta keep coming up with crazy new ideas that sound plausible to the uninitiated while fighting off those who are willing to point out the obvious floors in your thinking 😅
Yeah like the chap that sold dowsing rods to the military to do bomb detection in the Iraq war. He went to jail...
can't wait till they finally reduce side fumbling on their vector canceling condenser
You've got to reverse the polarity first!
@@KeyDx7 Heh! In all seriousness though, I found a single linkedin post that has a diagram of its operation, if you search for it on Google it's pretty much the only legitimate result, no publications, no patents. I'm no expert on fluid thermodynamics, but my bullshit detector is on high alert after this thing.
@@KeyDx7 Darn Tootin' !
@@KeyDx7 shut up and take my money!
You'd be better off water cooling regular panels and then using the hot water for something.
Heat your pool.
@@EEVblog SOLAR FREAKIN' SAUNAS!
(Which actually makes sense!)
I'm trying to think up the next greatest Kickstarter to scam some money. Accept that in the neighborhood of 70% of the incident solar light is converted to heat, mount the solarelectic cells to pyroelectric cells to convert the waste heat as scavenged energy.
@@SembazuruHas been done. And if you ignore the energy the cooling system for the backside of that stack uses, it even works!
It's called "thermal photovoltaics" and has been done before.
They missed a trick by not putting panels on the outside of the unit . 😂
When you read the ESPINBAC word salad, I think my brain bluescreened and had to reboot.
Did a quick search, cannot find any evidence of a patent being filled... Which is lucky, as some patent examiner might have laughed themselves to death... What a complete shemozzle.
Yeah, I couldn't find it either.
Is it not the case that Patents in the US tend to be automatically approved? - the Patent Office taking the view that the courts can sort things out at a later date. Saves the waste of intellect in the Patent Office.
I bet if you take one of these little con jobbies apart and lay the panels flat, they will work better...
It is guaranteed to be worse than a normal solar panel.
They will not output the claimed 45W but they will hide that with the integrated battery. The solar input area is 0.1m^2 so max they will get is 20W but likely it will be less than that.
Hey electrodacus! Always good to see you in the comments. Hope everything is going well for you.
@@franklinbrown7389 Yes everything is great. Hope the same is true for you.
How the f are they gonna cool down the panels to maintain the efficiency? The thermodynamic agitation in semiconductors must a been outta of their holistic approach.
I'd expect lower efficiency once they start using full panels because the lighting will be uneven so the series string will get random output on each cell and that's just never goiung to work out well.
Any ever so slight advantage to conventional solar panels, i.e. the reflecting of like 2% of the incident radiation, will be instantly more than covered with losses in the mirrors and lenses. And then you can start to think about uneven load, etc.
How long until they put on the kick starter for the turbo encabulator?
I am glad the UK are so good at giving money away🙂
This thing is basically solar oven. I expect it actually catch fire under sunny summer day. So Dave, remember my comment when it happens.
Not to mention solar panels need to be in series to get any usable voltage, how would that work in this house of mirrors when only one side gets light
This is the Definition of smoke and mirrors
I bet it they will make it foldable, in unfold configuration without "hat" it will be more efficient. Just because in this case more surface area of panels will be light by direct sunlight.
That would be a great test!
Would love to know how they plan on condensing nitrogen back to liquid nitrogen after using the sun to heat it.
It's a pretty energy intensive process... If we are talking a large volume of gas (needed to drive a turbine) then a large gas compressor and condensers are needed which means another cooling circuit.
Even compressing it to 20bar you still need to cool it to below roughly -160C to form liquid.
You will not be able to generate more power from the solar energy put into the gas than it takes to re-condense it.
The only (!) usable use case for these devices is on the north or south pole for an unmanned automatic station without moving parts to make optimal usage of the sunlight in the summers as that comes from 360° around.
A small but important part of all possible usages.
Hilariously the cap on the device is probably the biggest loss in the system.
Of course it's heat.. I design and manufacture smart solar street lights where heat is my enemy. We have forced air cooling to keep panel temp down and especially our battery temperature low..
Silicon can only absorb a fixed amount of energy at any given moment, but it also doesn't absorb the entire light spectrum. You have a little conversion loss by heat but most of it passes though without issue. The waste light becomes heat in large part because they pit a backing behind the silicon...
They've tried stacking the silicon inside the panel, but now a large part of the absorbable spectrum is gone, so your fighting for scraps at that point at almost double the manufacturing cost.
They've using alternative materials to absorb different parts of the spectrum, than layered together, it catches more, I believe that is how they made the most efficient solar panel to date (30-35%) but its lab only (or nasa). Its projected that 50% efficiency will be possible with this method as they research and refine the chemistries.
Hey, at least you would get some output, for three weeks every year in the UK. What we really need is a warm rain heat exchanger.
I love it when I see these crowdfunders for things that could have prototypes that could be made in a shed in less than a month during one's spare time for up to a couple of hundred bucks, yet for some reason, it's nothing but renders.
It's amazing this one actually has a "prototype"
Solar roadways has a prototype but we all know how that panned out. 😅
@@Cerberus984 Yes, but I don't think they had a working one at the time of the promotions
then they had to begrudgingly build *something*
@@Cerberus984 It's just intuition, gut-feeling that's not really worth anything, but I had the impression that the SP people were sincere believers in their idea, at least initially. Whereas this and several other alleged "inventions" sound more like something originally conceived as a scam.
I love when they dropped the "quantum mechanics says that if light hits more solar panels, you get more power"
The problem is not the 80% reflection, it is that even if something were reflected, it would be in a wavelength that the next cell could not convert. If it were, the first cell would have absorbed it 😂
I kept wanting to type that the loss was to heating up the solar cell, glad I waited because, thankfully, you mentioned it at 13:19.
Missed one additional thing, they said 3x (300%) more when their math works out to 300% of the energy (actually slightly less), not 300% more.
Don’t be too hard on them. There was nothing in their video to suggest they have any concept of maths whatsoever. To be an inventor you only need patents, none of this maths rubbish!
It is actual < 200% MORE (more being extra).
As an added (negative) bonus, boxing their solar cells inside a little house, without both sides exposed to ambient air and wind as is normal for a solar panel, will heat them up and push their output below their rated efficiency and below that of a comparable panel sitting beside it.
Opposite of "bonus" (lit. "good thing" in Latin) is "malus". Not really a correction, just a fun fact, as obviously almost nobody would understand what you mean if you said "malus".
The Shockley-Queisser limit assumes you absorb every photon above a given energy level (true for single material p-n junction, such as Silicon). The problem dropping the efficiency to 33-ish% is recombination & thermal loss within the material. Not every bit of absorbed photon translates to usable electrical energy. Absorbing more of the light just gets you closer to that 33-ish%, but cannot get you above it without some fancy multi-junction technology
TIPA the hat to you, governor🤠
Next product: uses solar cell to drive a light which illuminates the solar cell😂
So the "goal" was to raise 5000 pounds -- what the hell is 5000 pounds going to do for them. We are living at a time when grifters rule the roost, and grifters are everywhere. Since this system appears to have zero losses the photons should bounce around until all of them have been collected resulting in 100% efficiency -- why did they stop after the fourth interaction?
You're right, look at the list Mike just put up in another comment.
A nice vacation😉😂
Because to claim 100% efficiency would be silly. LOL
the 5000 GBP ask is so that they're pretty much guaranteed to actually get it, if you don't hit your goal you don't get paid.
@@SomeMorganSomewhere OK, that makes sense, but, come on, wouldn't $250K have been a more believable figure? It just constantly amazed me that so many people are so gullible.
Imagine what you could do if you connected your TIPA to a WiGL.
Cat with buttered bread could finally retire.
949,920.00 in yanky bucks assuming they raised 800,000 British Pounds. So they raised damn near a million US dollars! As an American i cant belive it.
Im not smart and dont claim to be, but even i know that for solar energy you need to either have LARGE solar panels or I seen some solar facilities that use mirrors to shine a LARGE amount of light at some sort of tower thing in the middle. I can tell by looking at the first 45 seconds of the video that that box with a window on top isnt going to absorb the large amount of light needed.
Yup, It's all about capture area.
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That's nothing yet. I am getting flooded by commercials advertising a revolutionary device, invariably designed by Dutch Engineers.
One is for a mini Infrared (or blower? Not specjfied) as small as a packet of cigarettes, capable of heating a room in 2 minites, an using less than halve of the energy of traditional elevtric heaters!
All disregarding the fact that electrical heating has an efficiency of 100% (once the energy is in the home)!
Clearly all blatant lies!
I’m not an engineer or anything. Just a hillbilly that likes learning. So this is probably a dumb question.
If the solar panel was pre-heated to a temperature above what the thermal loss would be, could that improve efficiency?
No. Solar panels use photons from sunlight to energize electrons in a semiconductor to create electricity, but the more a panel heats up, the more electrons there will already be in a excited state, which means less electrons producing a lower voltage and lower efficiency as a result. The cooler a panel is, the more electrons that are free to be energized for producing electricity. Preheating a panel will only excite electrons and waste potential.
JamesBiggar nailed it. It makes it worse.
They could turn this idea to a death ray machine. I bet it it would sell way more. I even have some slogans and video ideas for their marketing.
Huh? No mention of baby seals? This is sure to fail 😂😂
For every unit sold per quarter, a baby seal is saved. For all units remaining in inventory, at the end of the year, a baby seal is slaughtered along with 2 kittens, 3 velveteen rabbits, and a puppy.
@@davestorm6718 😄
Use the heat to run vacuum generator, to run water circulation system, to a heat storage system.
The More You Make Usage of,
the more efficient you get,
DON'T WASTE ANYTHING AND KEEP IT SIMPLE...💯
They plan small greenhouses, the hotter solar panel is the less efficient. Prism on top will reflect light and create irregular illumination (shadows) reducing any gains.
I can't believe that no one has every thought of sticking mirrors on solar panels in the entire history of solar. 😱 Take my MONEY!
At first I was wondering if this was a pure scam or some level of lack of knowledge. After that word salad reply from the company I'm fairly sure it is just a scam.
Amazing. 6x times 20 percent would mean 120 percent. They are sure to overpower the Sun.
People selling "I wonder if" as a finished product, without finding out the results of "if".
You could easily coat the cells to be 80% reflective. But that doesn’t make any sense as you would still get only 20% efficiency of the 20% that are actually going to reach the cell.
They literally hit every buzz phrase but "won't someone think of the children?". 😂😂😂😂
I want to add: Here in Europe currently PV modules with 400 kWp start at under 60 € (new, not used!). PERC (reflective back side) is also standard a while now.
The most money is always made through the stupidity of others.
You can't even drive a car on it if it's not flat.
Using this logic, all you need is a 1 way mirror on top of your solar panels.
How do I apply for these grants?
I’m surprised they didn’t put a TIPA on another TIPA
TIPAception 🤯
It's TIPAs all the way down1
I wonder what all the plastics will melt at. i'm sure we will find out a few minutes after they put this thing in the Sunlight.
What if you were to put them on road ways? You could have super duper solar roadways.
The power per catcher area is going to worse than regular solar panels, because they're going to lose some through the dome thing on top and lose some because they're not facing directly at the sun, and lose some because some of the panels will obscured by the rest of the barrel. I don't think the internal reflections will help at all.
It is less than 200% more (extra). Edit: To be fair. they didnt say it, Dave did. Still, using 'more' means in addition to the baseline.
20:15 how do they propose to recondense the Nitrogen? Magic? Handwaving? or using more energy than they extracted from boiling the stuff in the first place?
Have you seen Louis Rossmann has had multiple strikes for talking about his app?
Shit, really? Not surprising though I guess.
Well, of course. Why would TH-cam allow him (and pay him per view) to publish a video that advertises his opposition platform that accesses TH-cam's content whilst eliminating their revenue stream?
@@johncoops6897 It's not TH-cams content though, it's the creators content. As I understand it all the app does is give a list of platforms where that person's content is available. I can understand why TH-cam was pissed about it, but I'm not sure how they can claim it violates their TOS.
@@MattyEngland - diverting customers away from their platform.
Think of notice boards being erected inside Burger King by their meat supploer that suggest that customers should go to a different store to get a better burger.
See my following comment re TOS...
@@MattyEngland - from a very quick look at the TOS, they could use these...
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Those last 2 sentences especially 👆
At this point why does anyone give to any kickstarter ever? It's a wasteland of fraud and half baked ideas.
It looks like the TIPA ads are confusing the 20% efficiency with 80% of the light is reflected, as opposed to absorbed by not producing power (that is, it just heats up the cells).
Don't forget that you don't get 20% at high angles of light incidence either. On top of that, raising the temperature lowers efficiency. That is why solar panels are lifted off roofs and not flat on it: air underneath for passive cooling.
If that mirror cone inside had 50 facets would we get 50 Hz AC out of this device?
How can we take them seriously without solar sidewalks and roads?
Perhaps we should launch a N10 petition to force the government do discuss in parliament the awarding of funding with proper due diligence. I went over all of the options for mirrors before I was out of high school. Seems civil servants and politicians never reached high school.
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I can see one possible advantage to something like this: The cells are vertical, and the little pagoda at top could be used to bring in light from many angles. With the right geometries this MIGHT provide a benefit in that it increases the collection angle without the complexity of devices to track the sun.
Complexity, not cost, because you need way more panels than a standard flat array with sun tracking.
Wow, the technical explanation really cleared it up! You're totally wrong, Dave. It is doubling phonons by the modial interaction of magneto-reluctance and capacitive directance.
Obviously, how did I miss that!
I didn't realize that the 200-year-old concept of a fresnel lens was "revolutionary". I guess that's why they didn't put me in charge of reviewing UKRI grants. I also didn't realize that all those active cooling loops on solar panels were pointless, because all the light that isn't turned into electricity is just reflected.
They may get a few percent more with the reflection stuff. Definitely nothing revolutionary.
But even letting that alone the geometry is utterly ineffective. The light going into that chamber is still limited by the crosssection of the lens up there. It cant get (much) more than a flat panel would get. And if the sun is so low that it does, it will obscure part of the neighbouring element.
But now think about the amount of solar cells used here. Instead filling just the floor, they have to cover all the walls. So they have to build in even MORE than for just a flat panel.
And most of it is almost completely useless. Unly a small part of the cells actually gets the direct light, the rest will get reflected light at best.
Ridiculous!
It's so dumb.
Any possible gains via reflection will be immediately lost via heat build up on the PV elements (heat is PV's enemy #1) to the point it would be considerably less efficient (not to mention shorten the lifespan of the electronic components inside that oven).
Forget how well it reflects. More important to know _Where_ it reflects. A modest shadow on one corner of a big panel kills its performance. Uneven light distribution over the surface of a panel just generates heat, the opposite of desirable.
And before anyone gets bright ideas, using a mirror to boost the solar energy hitting a panel can fry that panel on a clear day.
"TIPA is not just about savings". Indeed, it's about fleecing you out of your hard earned cash.
They made a crucial mistake, the wasted energy isn't reflected light, it's heat.
So what we need, is stick thermal electric generators on the back, this time, we'll get at least half of that 80% heat, for a total 200% increase in efficiency!
if you "unwrapped" those solar cells into a flat panel, it'd probably work a lot better and have multiple times the output. even though the electricity is free, those solar cells sure aren't. I can't believe (even if this thing worked perfectly) that it'd be cost effective to waste all that collection area just to try and capture some of the reflected light. I am surprised no one's tried to put peltier junctions behind a solar panel to try and capture some more energy from the heat, using a small fan powered by the panel/peltiers to cool the "cold" side.
People have tried it, it's called "thermal PV". Usually peltier devices aren't used, but rather the waste heat in the cooling water is exchanged into a home heating system or water heater.
At first I wasn't sure if I'd like this video, but the Shoe Phone joke firmly planted me in the Cone of Silence.
I could see a slight advantage of using a mirror to expand the amount of light directed at the panel at the prime angle of production.
Mirrors can be used to expand the coverage area of a panel. Which would be worth it if panels were still as expensive as 20 years ago. But nowadays, those mirrors and the active tracking to point them towards the panels are much more expensive than simply adding more panels. We're at a point where mounting panels in a way that they never can exceed 40% peak is still economically viable.
@@HenryLoenwind Figured as much. I have been getting ads for "biphasic" solar panels that collect light from both sides. (not sure how that works when mounted to a roof, like most of the ad's photos are).
A low cost reflector might be the thing to develop if you are an engineer. Which i am not.
Most of the lost energy in solar is due to the limitation of light wavelengths that silicon cells can absorb. Ultra high efficiency solar cells use a multi-layered material where each material is tuned to utilize a different wavelength of light. Because materials can only use this limited spectrum all other wavelengths are absorbed and lost as heat into the cell.