I always thought that line about her celibacy was because she knew of Kirk's reputation and wanted to establish right away that he would be getting nothing. Doesn't make it any less of a What The Hell moment, but that's just the only logical reason i could ever think of for her saying it.
David Spring Not really a womanizer, just a flirt. He happily flirted, but often to get an advantage over the enemy of the day or turn them to his side. He wasn't as bad as the fans make out, they just took that one trait and exaggerated it to the point it overshadowed everything else.
To anyone wondering, Star Trek Phase II was scrapped because the pitch was so limited that someone at Paramount decided to make a movie from it and leave it there. This is also why Iliea and Decker were killed off.
Even before I knew more about the Deltans, I never had a problem with Ilia telling Kirk that she took an oath of celibacy, mainly because she's talking to KIRK. It's probably best to let him know as quickly as possible that you're not available so that he can move on to other women.
Ironically, I like the 2.5 hour extended cut. Of course I fast forward through the 20 minute 'flying around inside V'ger without talking scene. As for the glory shots of the Enterprise. Consider, when this movie was released, all we had was the original series (where they reused a handful of shots of the ship over and over) and the cartoon. This was the first time anyone was seeing this new redesigned Starship Enterprise. Viewers who started with later movies, or own Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise, forget this. We all know now what she looks like, but in 1979 it was brand new. The first time a Star Trek series/movie shows a new ship, you want a good long look. You want to see everything. Preferably with the ability to enter the scene and get a guided tour of the ship from the Bridge to the keel. ST:TMP gave us that slow close up look. Something they couldn't do with the old model on the TV show. And she was gorgeous. I could go on about the plot issues, but really, it all boils down to Gene Roddenberry's novelization tells the story best, because it can take time to explain what the characters know but we don't, without clumsy exposition.
Another thing about the movie is they NEVER give Kirk a scene where his experience pays off. His assuming command is nothing but an ego trip. I guess you could argue the bluff near the end is that, since it's really the only time his Kirkness accomplishes anything. However, are we really saying Decker couldn't come up with a shot in the dark like that? It's interesting where so much of Phase II was brought into TNG. Decker/Ilyia became Riker/Troi. Decker was going to be the one to lead the landing parties with Kirk staying on the ship. A young full Vulcan science officer trying to understand human emotion in order to work better with them became Data. However, I think you missed the resolution to Spock's crisis. It happened with the mind meld and learing that V'ger couldn't understand something as simple as friendship. In sickbay, when he takes Kirk's hand is when his plot is resolved. It's where he realizes that total logic is not the path for him and reaffirms his friendships. Previously, he'd been completely detached.
To anyone wondering, the Spock betrayal thing also came from the cancelled TV scripts. The reason it never amounted to anything was because it was supposed to be a seasonal arc of sorts and they likely didn't want to effectively dispose of the arguably the franchise's most famous character in the first movie. Dunno why they kept it in the movie though.
@22:23 and @23:20 These lines, jokes and clip mean so much more now given what came out for Star Trek fairly recently, and the upcoming Patreon review for Linkara during the week of March 23 2020.
I'm actually considering doing a video comparing your review of Star Trek: The Motion Picture (well, the comic adaptation, anyway) against SF Debris' review and Doug's Nostalgia Critic review, as well as the other odd-numbered Trek films. I'll compare and contrast opinions, what jokes you make at certain parts, etc. I hope that's okay. Truthfully, I'd like to see you do more comic adaptations of movies. For instance, there was a comic adaptation of Alien Resurrection, and I'd like to see you go into more detail about why you liked it (honestly, I liked that one too)
Linkara, you hoopy frood you, this is amazing. A time capsule of a younger, less jaded (though angrier) version of you. Still working my way through you're whole oeuvre and it is positively adorable to see you so young. I knew you were amazing i just hadn't quite grokked that you had such a rich history. Congrats on a decade of snarky and wonderful commentary. I really appreciate how positive you've become but deeply respect the shit-posting nature of the early videographer format. You're one of the rare gems on youtube and I'm so glad that the algorithm brought me to you. May you, your partner, and your adorable feline overlords live long and prosper
"Break, damn you!" I really wish TMP was more like the Comicron skits My favorite bit from Doug's review of the film is the Beegeees reference to how Bones looks here When I first saw the film, I remember being crushed by disappointment. Naturally, seeing Wrath of Khan the next week blew me away-not often you have a sequel THAT much better! (No, Empire Strikes back isn't that much better than A New Hope)
Also the whole bed were Kirk and Spock Go to the Check on the ship that was actually cut from the final version of the film There are still images Storyboards Off the scene but it was cut out.
Emmm...here's a question. Why Decker was demoted to commander after Kirk takes the Enterprise, but in the other movies Spock as 1st officer retains the rank of Captain? A little bit unfair, would't say?
**blinks repeatedly** wow.. I totally missed the pun in Comicron One up until just now... I am remarkably slow lol xD really glad I'm rewatching these episodes after all this time
"Star Wars saved Star Trek." Actually it didn't. Paramount thought Star Wars was a fluke, but then Close Encounters of the Third Kind came out and that movie convinced them to move forward with a Star Trek movie.
I'm a Star Trek fanatic and I did like this movie, it's not the worst of the TOS flicks (5, anyone?) I do agree that this is one time, the only time, that the comic book adaptation was better than the film.
+Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall Did you know that some people have suggested that the planet of machines might have something to do with the Borg? In fact, Star Trek Legacy even confirms this, but the novels have given their own version of the Borg backstory, so it depends on which you want to believe. Also, no Braniac reference?
The Blue Beetle Tribute is the review where you first mentioned the evils of Ancient Egypt, but I think your review of Countdown is where you first used the "Empire March" with the pyramids.
7:35 to be fair to the comic, the plot hole with the Enterprise being the only ship in interception range, that was already in the movie (although an explanation might be that the V'Ger cloud is moving on such high warp that only the REFITTED Enterprise with her new, more powerful warp drive is capable of interception - there are other ships in the area, but they wouldn't be able to keep up with the intruder, or if they could then only for a few minutes - in the novel adaptation, it is mentioned that they are not meeting the cloud "head on" but rather meet head on -> passing by while maintaining frontal facing -> pursuing) 8:45 that scene is included in the Director's cut 10:40 once again, problem with the movie, the comic is just adaptation 13:30 nice effects, seemed authentic
I think the cloud sequence was supposed to be an homage to the stargate sequence at the end of 2001: A Space Odyssey. It was just as bizarre there as it is in this movie, but (in my opinion) the music in the Star Trek version was better.
I thought Spock was the only one to sense it because of the emotions he hadn't purged yet. He had a sort of kindred-spirit bond with V'Ger. I-unno, I guess I just never saw it as a plot hole! I'm one of those weirdos who actually likes TMP. Not as much as Wrath of Khan, of course, but I used to find it really relaxing to watch as a kid. And the Enterprise is beautiful in that film, you know? Definitely watch the Director's Cut though--it makes it much easier to tell what's going on at times!
I have to wonder if it's because the target audience for TMP was due to its aim at a younger audience, or that it was aimed at family audiences that it gets such a poor rep.
I'm quite fond of *Star Trek: The Motionless Picture*. (And this is coming from someone who actually likes TMP. It's not my favourite movie by any means, but I do occasionally watch it).
@@Gasoline85 I like it too. I think it's a better movie now than when it was released. Partly because the director's cut fixed some of its pacing issues. But also, because it's a nice change from the saturation of _Star Wars_ type action films.
Oh, and yes, more please. So funny to note that this disc illustrates a serious lack, which I hear IDW finally fixed. ST:TWoK was never adapted. 1, 3-6, and several TNG movies were adapted but not that one. Not. KHAAAAAAANNNNN!!!!!!
Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall Two questions: 1) In your First Contact review you said it was the last. Have you done reviews for Insurrection and Nemesis? I couldn't find them. (Though sometimes my Search-Fu fails me. 2) By any chance will the STVI review be included in the current re-runs? For some reason, my computer is giving me fits about watching that one on your site. I'd considered it being the Blip format issue, but I've watched HoPR on your site, and plenty of Blip format videos on Channel Awesome/TGWTG. (Though the entire library of some reviewers behaves the same way).
Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall That would explain the lack of reviews. Which makes IDW's decision to adapt JJ Trek & STD even odder. Maybe in 30 years, someone will go back and make those two? ;) 2 I only discovered you were doing reruns in the last few days, and didn't know how far you were going to go. Glad to hear it. It'll help me catch up.
The movie also feels like the Doomsday Machine, the Ultimate Computer, A taste of Armageddon, and the animated series episode, Once upon a Planet. Though interestingly, the work on the A.I. was consulted by Isaac Asimov. But I think that V'ger is an interesting antagonist.
Megatron: ''Soundwave, give our probe friend, these 'V'ger' a craft so it can return to whence it came...'' Soundwave: ''As your command, Mighty Megatron'' Starscream: ''Say, these coordinates the probe gave of its place of origin look similar too...'' Megatron: ''Be silent you fool!''
Hey, Linkara, it might help you break the bottle if you actually hit the bulkhead instead of stopping about 3 feet from touching it and adding a hollow "bang" sound.
Um... Linkara... there are lots of symbols that have meaning entirely unrelated to emotion. Like the Rod of Asclepius being a symbol for the medical field, or, you know, letters being symbols that represent sounds or numbers being symbols that represent amounts.
***** All I know is that amateurish/substandard writers over exposit their exposition. It is the first sign literary agents look for when deciding whether a manuscript is worth their time or not. But Comics seem to often function by their own, awful rules.
I always felt that Kirk’s character resolution came in the subsequent TOS movies, but Motion Picture wasn’t intended to have sequels originally, so fair criticism nonetheless
i am having a hard time finding a reference to someone mentioning this - didn't anyone notice ? [ at 1 : 27 in the original movie - you see a picture of the NASA space shuttle - this is 1979 - two years before it began orbital testing ...
13:19 - Ladies, gentlemen and others who are too young, this is what the 1970s was like. (Note: I was born in 1974, so barely remember the 1970s - no, not for *that* reason.)
Also, if V'Ger went to a higher plane of existence, does that mean there is an endlessly curious V'Ger-Decker hybrid pestering the Q continuum with lots of questions?
@@AlexSeverinski I didn't know someone actually went there. Then again, since they seem to want to tie the Q Continuum into every imaginable energy being, I suppose it was inevitable.
@@AlexSeverinski Well, so far they have tied Q to Trelane, and ST V's "God", but there are still a few more to use, I suppose. After all Star Trek did have enough energy beings. In only the original series you have Organians, Metrons, whatever Trelane was, the Companion that lived with Cochrane, the Greek gods, and I suppose Sargon, though he was contained in a ball, but still an energy being. And that is not even considering all the other series with Pah-Wraiths and Prophets and all the rest.
The only version of TMP that I've actually watched is the Director's Edition, which I think is a decent enough movie. Still pretty slow paced, but since I haven't watched the Theatrical Edition yet, I'm not sure how different the pacing is in comparison. Since I've just recently acquired the Theatrical Edition of TMP via the 6 movie Blu-Ray collection... I wonder if I should brave the boredom that so many others claim to have suffered?
I recently re-watched the film for the first time in 25 years. I didn't find it to be slow at all, and I had the same sense of wonder from when I originally watched it as a child. You have to give Douglas Trumbull a lot of credit for creating a sense of scale and otherworldliness to V'GER, as the Enterprise enters its hull. Plus, when Kirk arrives at the Enterprise, I had a sense that he was looking at it with nostalgia and awe, much like audiences did back in 1979. Although I didn't grow up in the 1970s, I had this same sense as I was viewing it for the first time in years. One other thing to note here is that, the film was also consulted by Isaac Asimov, who is considered to be not great a story-teller, but a great science writer; so maybe that's one of the reasons fans might find the film to be slow.
This didn't occur to me on first watch, but going through this again and being to lazy to look through the comments to see if anyone else has said it... The bottle NOT breaking when christening a ship is supposed to be bad luck. So what does happen to Comicron 1... (looks back/ahead) Oh... ummm... yeah.
I had to get a bit drunk to watch this movie. It feels like they were aiming for 2001, but despite the trippy scenes, I don’t it was surreal enough. They needed to put more bizarre imagery & surreal visuals to make something like that. Maybe showing the evolution of a new species into a far future.
This might as well have been a review of the movie. I'm not sure if that speaks well of the adaptation. It had the opportunity to fill in more blanks to make the story more coherent, especially across multiple volumes...and from your review, it barely did (and I suspect mostly by happy accident).
Spock wasn't necessarily deducing it. He could be abducting it - which in formal logic is basically the term for educated guesswork. However, in the case of abductive reasoning, you can't say "obviously" because you're drawing a conclusion from available evidence that suggests, but does not automatically confirm the conclusion. Also, I don't think we were shown any evidence that would lead to this conclusion, so he seems to just be pulling it out of his ass, which is not a dignified place for vulcans to be keeping conclusions.
This episode was headscratching to me. It seems pretty obvious that the reason Decker fused with V'ger was because it was the only way he could be with Illya again.
Can someone tell me what's appealing about Star Trek? Especially the early days with less of a budget? It must be doing something right to have a franchise rivaling Star Wars. Sure, Power Rangers has lasted for a good while too and the less said about that the better but that's been going downhill anyway.
Exploration, optimism, and humanity. The idea of a better future for the entire human race, looking to see what it means to be human, and that even during the darkest of times, compassion and the will to improve ourselves will always conquer through cynicism. Also just good science fiction concepts.
@@AT4W genuinely good to know. I also appreciate that you still make an effort to talk to your audience despite having such as a large one and this video being nearly a decade old.
When I first saw TMP, I thought, "It's a complete rip off of the episode, "The Changeling!" I also felt very sad. I thought there was no way they would make more Star Trek movies as TMP was awful. I am glad I was wrong.
Monkof Magnesia. it was basically a 2 hour pilot episode. as for the movies, I always thought trek was better as a show than as films. even accepting the good ones.
linkara link are right you are a badass in Borderlands you'll be 11000 on the badassitude scale linkara you're so badass she is with you were so badass also when Cara only my mind
I can't help to also comment on your take on the movie. I felt much the same way -- long, boring, incoherent in places. But then I decided to watch it from the point of view of a Trek fan of the 70's. Imagine you haven't seen the Enterprise or its crew in over a decade. Also try to see this movie as attempting serious, contemplative science fiction (watch the trailers on the disc!). I know it's hard to see it as "fresh" when we're glutted with so much other Trek media... but my experience with TMP was much improved simply by acknowledging how novel it attempted to be. It's a much better movie than most people give it credit for. It's actually one of my favorites now.
Much like everything else potentially linking the first generation with the new, it's left to one's headcannon. But yes, in my headcannon, this is the beginning of the thing that will make the borg. And illyadecker is the borg queen. But that's just headcannon.
Ah but it went through a Black hole which Sci Fi stories always postulate does weird things to time....It could have sent it into the past (and would also explain how it got so much knowledge as it was gone much longer than the mere couple hundred years they think it has,...possibly gone for millenia
The hell did the Ancient Egypt bit come from? Watched all 700 odd episodes and it's just odd. At least the other jokes make some sense and have a discernable origin.
Disagree on your comment on "Symbols are symbols because we attrivute feelings and emotions to them".. mathematical symbols are symbols of logic not emotion, as an example.
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Gonna be honest, Comicron 1 actually sounds cooler and less generic than Vigilant.
I always thought that line about her celibacy was because she knew of Kirk's reputation and wanted to establish right away that he would be getting nothing. Doesn't make it any less of a What The Hell moment, but that's just the only logical reason i could ever think of for her saying it.
Garrett Knisley Yeah, that's basically why they did it.
+Garrett Knisley Had Kirks reputation been flanderized into an incurable womanizer when the movie came out?
Tyler Chambers
Pretty sure, yeah.
+Tyler Chambers you mean Kirk ISN'T an incurable womanizer? I mean, he's other things, too, but I'm pretty sure he's that.
David Spring Not really a womanizer, just a flirt. He happily flirted, but often to get an advantage over the enemy of the day or turn them to his side.
He wasn't as bad as the fans make out, they just took that one trait and exaggerated it to the point it overshadowed everything else.
To anyone wondering, Star Trek Phase II was scrapped because the pitch was so limited that someone at Paramount decided to make a movie from it and leave it there. This is also why Iliea and Decker were killed off.
Even before I knew more about the Deltans, I never had a problem with Ilia telling Kirk that she took an oath of celibacy, mainly because she's talking to KIRK. It's probably best to let him know as quickly as possible that you're not available so that he can move on to other women.
I thought the same thing since he's the lady's man
Ironically, I like the 2.5 hour extended cut. Of course I fast forward through the 20 minute 'flying around inside V'ger without talking scene.
As for the glory shots of the Enterprise. Consider, when this movie was released, all we had was the original series (where they reused a handful of shots of the ship over and over) and the cartoon. This was the first time anyone was seeing this new redesigned Starship Enterprise. Viewers who started with later movies, or own Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise, forget this. We all know now what she looks like, but in 1979 it was brand new.
The first time a Star Trek series/movie shows a new ship, you want a good long look. You want to see everything. Preferably with the ability to enter the scene and get a guided tour of the ship from the Bridge to the keel. ST:TMP gave us that slow close up look. Something they couldn't do with the old model on the TV show. And she was gorgeous.
I could go on about the plot issues, but really, it all boils down to Gene Roddenberry's novelization tells the story best, because it can take time to explain what the characters know but we don't, without clumsy exposition.
***** They were also trying to go with the style of 2001: A Space Odyssey when they made it.
"The pictures are not in motion." Neither was the movie!
lol
Star trekkin....across the universe...boldly going forward....still can't find reverse...
Another thing about the movie is they NEVER give Kirk a scene where his experience pays off. His assuming command is nothing but an ego trip. I guess you could argue the bluff near the end is that, since it's really the only time his Kirkness accomplishes anything. However, are we really saying Decker couldn't come up with a shot in the dark like that?
It's interesting where so much of Phase II was brought into TNG. Decker/Ilyia became Riker/Troi. Decker was going to be the one to lead the landing parties with Kirk staying on the ship. A young full Vulcan science officer trying to understand human emotion in order to work better with them became Data.
However, I think you missed the resolution to Spock's crisis. It happened with the mind meld and learing that V'ger couldn't understand something as simple as friendship. In sickbay, when he takes Kirk's hand is when his plot is resolved. It's where he realizes that total logic is not the path for him and reaffirms his friendships. Previously, he'd been completely detached.
I once read a novel version of this movie. It seemed to fix most of the problems.
Linkara's reenactment of the asteroid sequence was eerily accurate!
16:38 to be fair, the ship in the Corbite Maneuver (Or however you spell it) wasn’t any more ship-like then this
Very appropriate to release it today, as it's the 35th anniversary of the film!
Honestly your recreation of that slow-mo scene was basically flawless XD good job
To anyone wondering, the Spock betrayal thing also came from the cancelled TV scripts. The reason it never amounted to anything was because it was supposed to be a seasonal arc of sorts and they likely didn't want to effectively dispose of the arguably the franchise's most famous character in the first movie. Dunno why they kept it in the movie though.
@22:23 and @23:20
These lines, jokes and clip mean so much more now given what came out for Star Trek fairly recently, and the upcoming Patreon review for Linkara during the week of March 23 2020.
I'm actually considering doing a video comparing your review of Star Trek: The Motion Picture (well, the comic adaptation, anyway) against SF Debris' review and Doug's Nostalgia Critic review, as well as the other odd-numbered Trek films. I'll compare and contrast opinions, what jokes you make at certain parts, etc. I hope that's okay.
Truthfully, I'd like to see you do more comic adaptations of movies. For instance, there was a comic adaptation of Alien Resurrection, and I'd like to see you go into more detail about why you liked it (honestly, I liked that one too)
Linkara, you hoopy frood you, this is amazing. A time capsule of a younger, less jaded (though angrier) version of you. Still working my way through you're whole oeuvre and it is positively adorable to see you so young. I knew you were amazing i just hadn't quite grokked that you had such a rich history. Congrats on a decade of snarky and wonderful commentary. I really appreciate how positive you've become but deeply respect the shit-posting nature of the early videographer format. You're one of the rare gems on youtube and I'm so glad that the algorithm brought me to you. May you, your partner, and your adorable feline overlords live long and prosper
Also 7:44 ... Ouch! Considering Picard.
"Break, damn you!" I really wish TMP was more like the Comicron skits
My favorite bit from Doug's review of the film is the Beegeees reference to how Bones looks here
When I first saw the film, I remember being crushed by disappointment. Naturally, seeing Wrath of Khan the next week blew me away-not often you have a sequel THAT much better! (No, Empire Strikes back isn't that much better than A New Hope)
I mean, it kinda is. ANH is good, but ESB is a goddamned masterpiece of storytelling. Easily one of the best sci-fanstasy films in existence.
Also the whole bed were Kirk and Spock Go to the Check on the ship that was actually cut from the final version of the film There are still images Storyboards Off the scene but it was cut out.
The recreation of the wormhole scene is way too accurate and I love it.
Emmm...here's a question. Why Decker was demoted to commander after Kirk takes the Enterprise, but in the other movies Spock as 1st officer retains the rank of Captain? A little bit unfair, would't say?
**blinks repeatedly** wow.. I totally missed the pun in Comicron One up until just now... I am remarkably slow lol xD really glad I'm rewatching these episodes after all this time
"Star Wars saved Star Trek." Actually it didn't. Paramount thought Star Wars was a fluke, but then Close Encounters of the Third Kind came out and that movie convinced them to move forward with a Star Trek movie.
I'm a Star Trek fanatic and I did like this movie, it's not the worst of the TOS flicks (5, anyone?) I do agree that this is one time, the only time, that the comic book adaptation was better than the film.
Question:
Which review started the Ancient Egypt running gag?
***** If I recall correctly, it was the Blue Beetle Tribute.
Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall Thank You!
+Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall Did you know that some people have suggested that the planet of machines might have something to do with the Borg? In fact, Star Trek Legacy even confirms this, but the novels have given their own version of the Borg backstory, so it depends on which you want to believe.
Also, no Braniac reference?
Dunno, but Star Trek Legacy did it too.
The Blue Beetle Tribute is the review where you first mentioned the evils of Ancient Egypt, but I think your review of Countdown is where you first used the "Empire March" with the pyramids.
7:35 to be fair to the comic, the plot hole with the Enterprise being the only ship in interception range, that was already in the movie (although an explanation might be that the V'Ger cloud is moving on such high warp that only the REFITTED Enterprise with her new, more powerful warp drive is capable of interception - there are other ships in the area, but they wouldn't be able to keep up with the intruder, or if they could then only for a few minutes - in the novel adaptation, it is mentioned that they are not meeting the cloud "head on" but rather meet head on -> passing by while maintaining frontal facing -> pursuing)
8:45 that scene is included in the Director's cut
10:40 once again, problem with the movie, the comic is just adaptation
13:30 nice effects, seemed authentic
i think that with the only ship near earth its only for capital ships like the constitution class
and i like the enterprise shot
I think the cloud sequence was supposed to be an homage to the stargate sequence at the end of 2001: A Space Odyssey. It was just as bizarre there as it is in this movie, but (in my opinion) the music in the Star Trek version was better.
That's Douglas Trumbull working the special effects for TMP!
22:35 damn I love that show.
I still like to watch This Movie Now and again Even if Everyone else Hates it Sir!
I thought Spock was the only one to sense it because of the emotions he hadn't purged yet. He had a sort of kindred-spirit bond with V'Ger. I-unno, I guess I just never saw it as a plot hole!
I'm one of those weirdos who actually likes TMP. Not as much as Wrath of Khan, of course, but I used to find it really relaxing to watch as a kid. And the Enterprise is beautiful in that film, you know? Definitely watch the Director's Cut though--it makes it much easier to tell what's going on at times!
I have to wonder if it's because the target audience for TMP was due to its aim at a younger audience, or that it was aimed at family audiences that it gets such a poor rep.
Given what happened to the last 2 crew members McCoy is complete justified in not wanting to used the transporter. He'd have been killed.
Holy crap the slow mow sequence. Spot-on :-P
_Star Trek: The Non-Moving Pictures_
I'm quite fond of *Star Trek: The Motionless Picture*.
(And this is coming from someone who actually likes TMP. It's not my favourite movie by any means, but I do occasionally watch it).
@@Gasoline85 I like it too. I think it's a better movie now than when it was released. Partly because the director's cut fixed some of its pacing issues. But also, because it's a nice change from the saturation of _Star Wars_ type action films.
Oh, and yes, more please. So funny to note that this disc illustrates a serious lack, which I hear IDW finally fixed. ST:TWoK was never adapted. 1, 3-6, and several TNG movies were adapted but not that one.
Not. KHAAAAAAANNNNN!!!!!!
Come back in the next several weeks. For Christmas of 2011 I reviewed the Star Trek II comics. I was NOT fond of them. XD
Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall
Two questions:
1) In your First Contact review you said it was the last. Have you done reviews for Insurrection and Nemesis? I couldn't find them. (Though sometimes my Search-Fu fails me.
2) By any chance will the STVI review be included in the current re-runs? For some reason, my computer is giving me fits about watching that one on your site.
I'd considered it being the Blip format issue, but I've watched HoPR on your site, and plenty of Blip format videos on Channel Awesome/TGWTG. (Though the entire library of some reviewers behaves the same way).
***** 1. There are not comic adaptations of Insurrection and Nemesis.
2. Eventually, when we reach that point in the reruns. ^_^
Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall
That would explain the lack of reviews. Which makes IDW's decision to adapt JJ Trek & STD even odder.
Maybe in 30 years, someone will go back and make those two? ;)
2 I only discovered you were doing reruns in the last few days, and didn't know how far you were going to go. Glad to hear it. It'll help me catch up.
Oh Comicron One, you didn't get the name we wanted, but you were a mighty fine ship none the less! You will be missed. *Salutes*
3:30 Cap'n Kirk shapeshifts his left eye just after the door opens.
The other Vulcans refer to the old proverb "That's not my problem."
24:55 Hang on, isn’t this just the plot of “The Changeling”?
And that's why this movie is also knows as "Where Nomad Has Gone Before."
The movie also feels like the Doomsday Machine, the Ultimate Computer, A taste of Armageddon, and the animated series episode, Once upon a Planet. Though interestingly, the work on the A.I. was consulted by Isaac Asimov. But I think that V'ger is an interesting antagonist.
10:46 to be fair linkara they did say “ASSUME” which is an educated guess at best
Megatron: ''Soundwave, give our probe friend, these 'V'ger' a craft so it can return to whence it came...''
Soundwave: ''As your command, Mighty Megatron''
Starscream: ''Say, these coordinates the probe gave of its place of origin look similar too...''
Megatron: ''Be silent you fool!''
Hey, Linkara, it might help you break the bottle if you actually hit the bulkhead instead of stopping about 3 feet from touching it and adding a hollow "bang" sound.
The bottle was expensive and he was feeling bad 4 wasting it ;)
"BREAK DAMN YOU!"
Um... Linkara... there are lots of symbols that have meaning entirely unrelated to emotion. Like the Rod of Asclepius being a symbol for the medical field, or, you know, letters being symbols that represent sounds or numbers being symbols that represent amounts.
To be fair, it's actually harder than it looks to smash a full bottle of champagne against the side of a ship.
This feels like Scott Lobdell wrote this since this comic does more telling than showing!
Ew don't remind us of that piece of trash
That was common in older comics. I think it was in part because writers used to be paid by the word.
Stan Lee is one of the worst in this regard...
Is this the reason why Frank Miller comics Linkara reviewed have the tendency to repeat sentences?
*****
All I know is that amateurish/substandard writers over exposit their exposition. It is the first sign literary agents look for when deciding whether a manuscript is worth their time or not.
But Comics seem to often function by their own, awful rules.
I always felt that Kirk’s character resolution came in the subsequent TOS movies, but Motion Picture wasn’t intended to have sequels originally, so fair criticism nonetheless
I hope there will be some contribution of Vigilant this year story arc... will there be story arc this year, right?
i am having a hard time finding a reference to someone mentioning this - didn't anyone notice ?
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at 1 : 27 in the original movie - you see a picture of the NASA space shuttle - this is 1979 - two years before it began orbital testing ...
13:19 - Ladies, gentlemen and others who are too young, this is what the 1970s was like.
(Note: I was born in 1974, so barely remember the 1970s - no, not for *that* reason.)
I love the McCoy voice
Spock's Mind Mildred machines before, if you remember the episode "Changeling"!
Melded* I'm assuming that was autocorrect, cuz... you know, "Mildred" is a woman's name.
13:57 is the birth of... a Ensign Stitch!
Also, if V'Ger went to a higher plane of existence, does that mean there is an endlessly curious V'Ger-Decker hybrid pestering the Q continuum with lots of questions?
@@AlexSeverinski I didn't know someone actually went there. Then again, since they seem to want to tie the Q Continuum into every imaginable energy being, I suppose it was inevitable.
@@AlexSeverinski Well, so far they have tied Q to Trelane, and ST V's "God", but there are still a few more to use, I suppose. After all Star Trek did have enough energy beings. In only the original series you have Organians, Metrons, whatever Trelane was, the Companion that lived with Cochrane, the Greek gods, and I suppose Sargon, though he was contained in a ball, but still an energy being. And that is not even considering all the other series with Pah-Wraiths and Prophets and all the rest.
The only version of TMP that I've actually watched is the Director's Edition, which I think is a decent enough movie. Still pretty slow paced, but since I haven't watched the Theatrical Edition yet, I'm not sure how different the pacing is in comparison.
Since I've just recently acquired the Theatrical Edition of TMP via the 6 movie Blu-Ray collection... I wonder if I should brave the boredom that so many others claim to have suffered?
I recently re-watched the film for the first time in 25 years. I didn't find it to be slow at all, and I had the same sense of wonder from when I originally watched it as a child. You have to give Douglas Trumbull a lot of credit for creating a sense of scale and otherworldliness to V'GER, as the Enterprise enters its hull. Plus, when Kirk arrives at the Enterprise, I had a sense that he was looking at it with nostalgia and awe, much like audiences did back in 1979. Although I didn't grow up in the 1970s, I had this same sense as I was viewing it for the first time in years.
One other thing to note here is that, the film was also consulted by Isaac Asimov, who is considered to be not great a story-teller, but a great science writer; so maybe that's one of the reasons fans might find the film to be slow.
Decker and Iliia ended up being prototypes for Riker and Deanna, just a fun fact I wanted to share in the comments
There is the recent Green Lantern/Star Trek comic though ;)
Where are the sky watchers in the 23rd century? Kinda missed that fast approaching earth-crosser. An abandoned hobbie i suppose.
This didn't occur to me on first watch, but going through this again and being to lazy to look through the comments to see if anyone else has said it...
The bottle NOT breaking when christening a ship is supposed to be bad luck. So what does happen to Comicron 1...
(looks back/ahead)
Oh... ummm... yeah.
I had to get a bit drunk to watch this movie. It feels like they were aiming for 2001, but despite the trippy scenes, I don’t it was surreal enough. They needed to put more bizarre imagery & surreal visuals to make something like that. Maybe showing the evolution of a new species into a far future.
Star Trek: The Unmoving Pictures.
Admittedly, that could also describe the movie at points.
Did they do the same thing for transformers the movie but in comic form?
Yes.
It is interesting to note that the first pilot of the TV series was "too cerebral" too. The second was much more action-oriented. History repeats?
Linkara, how do you "See Vulcan Music"?
I think he means "We've seen Vulcan music being performed on TOS before": I do remember scenes where Mr Spock was playing an instrument.
asks fans to vote on a name for his ship and proceeds to throw said name out the window in favor of his own choice....smooth
Zion Sheppatd to be fair it was the first runner up.
Zion Sheppatd he asked for a vote, never said he would abide by it. You can ask for opinions and not follow them.
Isn’t it speculated that Will Riker was just a rework of Decker?
Decker and Ilia, Riker and Troi.
This might as well have been a review of the movie. I'm not sure if that speaks well of the adaptation. It had the opportunity to fill in more blanks to make the story more coherent, especially across multiple volumes...and from your review, it barely did (and I suspect mostly by happy accident).
I could be wrong, but I think Decker wanting to join with V'ger was meant to be payoff to his and Ilea's relationship.
The one thing I don't like about the comic is that spelling out V'ger kinda ruins the twist.
Why did you bother putting it up to a vote?
RIP Comicron 1 :
Spock wasn't necessarily deducing it. He could be abducting it - which in formal logic is basically the term for educated guesswork.
However, in the case of abductive reasoning, you can't say "obviously" because you're drawing a conclusion from available evidence that suggests, but does not automatically confirm the conclusion.
Also, I don't think we were shown any evidence that would lead to this conclusion, so he seems to just be pulling it out of his ass, which is not a dignified place for vulcans to be keeping conclusions.
Shame we never got that fleet
This episode was headscratching to me. It seems pretty obvious that the reason Decker fused with V'ger was because it was the only way he could be with Illya again.
BREAK, DAMN YOU!!
Damn you ancient egypt!
Can someone tell me what's appealing about Star Trek? Especially the early days with less of a budget? It must be doing something right to have a franchise rivaling Star Wars. Sure, Power Rangers has lasted for a good while too and the less said about that the better but that's been going downhill anyway.
Exploration, optimism, and humanity. The idea of a better future for the entire human race, looking to see what it means to be human, and that even during the darkest of times, compassion and the will to improve ourselves will always conquer through cynicism.
Also just good science fiction concepts.
@@AT4W genuinely good to know. I also appreciate that you still make an effort to talk to your audience despite having such as a large one and this video being nearly a decade old.
When I first saw TMP, I thought, "It's a complete rip off of the episode, "The Changeling!" I also felt very sad. I thought there was no way they would make more Star Trek movies as TMP was awful. I am glad I was wrong.
Monkof Magnesia. it was basically a 2 hour pilot episode. as for the movies, I always thought trek was better as a show than as films. even accepting the good ones.
I agree with you there. The movies padded out what could be told in 45 minutes.
Monkof Magnesia the movie was supposed to be a 2 hr t v pilot they just adopted from the episode you just said about
'Seen' Vulcan music
Did you keep changing outfits?
>wears 2009 uniform
>doesn't like TMP
Yeah, adds up
You know, I rather like McCoys beard. It makes him a more dry- witted character .
Cylons in Star Trek?!?
linkara link are right you are a badass in Borderlands you'll be 11000 on the badassitude scale linkara you're so badass she is with you were so badass also when Cara only my mind
No TMP costume huh?
Few make them, it's a bit inconsistent in designs... And frankly just not that interesting. XD
Ok the 1st movie is based a star trek episode of the changeling where spock mind melds with a probe same idea in the movie too get it
The Phase 2 Enterprise looks a lot like the Discovery. Now I know where they got the design from but I still think it's an ugly looking ship.
I wonder why they didn’t just call it „The Motion Picture Adaptation“.
Pssh! Screw Vigilent, Comic-Cron One is a way more awesome name for a ship.
Oh yeah! Star Trek TMP vs. the Transformers gen.1!
I can't help to also comment on your take on the movie. I felt much the same way -- long, boring, incoherent in places. But then I decided to watch it from the point of view of a Trek fan of the 70's. Imagine you haven't seen the Enterprise or its crew in over a decade. Also try to see this movie as attempting serious, contemplative science fiction (watch the trailers on the disc!). I know it's hard to see it as "fresh" when we're glutted with so much other Trek media... but my experience with TMP was much improved simply by acknowledging how novel it attempted to be. It's a much better movie than most people give it credit for. It's actually one of my favorites now.
Is it really something you had to comment on?
Color Out of Space
They should have just owned the title. "Star Trek: The Motion Picture: The Comic Book (ft. dante from the devil may cry series)
lastlife0726 And Knuckles!
The problem is the crew were to make a more 2001:a Space Odyssey movie instead of a Star Trek movie.
What amounts to a "Star Trek" movie, other than "Kirk vs artificial intelligence" to make it less Star Trek?
So did v'ger make the borg
Dagon Nemo Pretty sure V-Ger was assimilated by The Borg, or some form of it.
Much like everything else potentially linking the first generation with the new, it's left to one's headcannon. But yes, in my headcannon, this is the beginning of the thing that will make the borg. And illyadecker is the borg queen.
But that's just headcannon.
***** Makes sense though, doesn't it?
No it does not make sense, since the borg existed hundreds of years before the voyager probe was ever launched.
Ah but it went through a Black hole which Sci Fi stories always postulate does weird things to time....It could have sent it into the past (and would also explain how it got so much knowledge as it was gone much longer than the mere couple hundred years they think it has,...possibly gone for millenia
Wait a minute, you're a star trek fan? Since when?🤔🤔🤔
Since before he began this show.
I MUST TRY TO MIND MELD WITH IT
The hell did the Ancient Egypt bit come from? Watched all 700 odd episodes and it's just odd. At least the other jokes make some sense and have a discernable origin.
From the Blue Beetle tribute originally, IIRC.
@@AT4W thanks.
I think your hazard team love is the 90's kid talking. Not the Security officer's fault the writers always pick them to be so dumb they die.
Disagree on your comment on "Symbols are symbols because we attrivute feelings and emotions to them".. mathematical symbols are symbols of logic not emotion, as an example.
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