Nah, that's a fair argument. Kawhi could've sat out the whole series and the Spurs still would've been fine, that series wasn't close at all. I'm not saying Iggy should've won FMVP, but they wouldn't have won without him.
Thank you Brandon Jennings for speaking some sense into these brothers. Although Kawhi is the face of Load management we still have to put some respect on his name! Even Iggy would say these dudes are trippin!! 💯💯
Why does he have to be respected and stacking his team in LA while Lebron gets trashed for playing on the Heat and people still try to say the Lakers are stacked?
Gil’s take on Kawhi not D’ing up Bron is wild. Bron was literally shaking his head whenever Kawhi was checking back in. Bron’s numbers mostly came from other defenders and off of fastbreak points. But when they were matched up in the half court, Bron was noticeably bothered and frustrated. And I love Iggy but other than his athleticism, Kawhi is on another level as far as shooting, handles, scoring and just being able to carry the load offensively. Both clutch though and both great perimeter defenders.
Kawhi had Bron 2nd guessing all series long. That was a 2nd yr 22yr old. Doing that, and if you want to see evidence look at Bron energy when he plays Kd away from the warriors and Gianniis , then look at when he plays Kawhi.
@mayowaojutalayo5298 lol it's odd that you believed that... dude had to look back first & then get mad... thats not even human instincts, he would've gotten mad as soon as he heard the whistle
Winning a FMVP giving up 53% 28ppg to ur matchup and saying he defended well is crazy but giving up 40ppg triple double pretty much for the finals and winning for Iggy was even crazier
The same man that says Gregg Pop was a terrible coach because he couldn't win consecutive finals or because Pop was tanking like Steve Kerr didn't do the same man foh Mccants lol
Iggy never averaged 20 in a season, highest he had was 19.9 if you want to round up. We seen Kawhi put multiple teams on his back for deep playoff runs. They’re not even in the same class.
they all take turns saying retarded shit segment after segment... it's entertaining as fuck, but it's a HARD watch... my brain explodes every 3 minutes
@@DeeScott-sl4xh who tf cares? Iggy has no deep playoff run as the solo star he was a perineal first or second-round exit the deepest he went was when he was the fourth option on the warriors
The claw Toronto run crushes Iguodala entire career alone. It’s like everyone skips that championship like this man didn’t do that the first year with that team is crazy.
@@FromTheHippYeah, the Raps were loaded.... and the Warriors weren't??? If the Raps were loaded all those years, then how come they didn't win before and after Kawhi? Boy... sit down.
They was loaded??? It was the same squad minus demar derozen… demar couldn’t do that fuck u mean! That playoff run was historic… it’s up there with 2011 dirks run!
They mentioned Kawhi Spurs' finals MVP and how they gave it to him because he "slowed down" Lebron to 28 ppg... noticed they didn't mention Iggy's finals MVP...LEBRON averaged 35, 10, and 8 and gave finals MVP to Iggy because he WAS Guarding Lebron. At least be consistent and fair with the takes Gilbert. Around 7:30 mark Gil tried to discredit Kawhi but whole time he describing IGGY's 2015 finals run without even knowing it...
@@SoulKingCeeJaykawhi was definitely one of those guys at a point just been injured a lot. Iggy literally was just a great role player on a great team. The warriors for sure couldve won without iggy.
McCants was terrible in the league and he’s always wrong ain’t nobody listening to him , Gil says some wild shit but was considered top 5 at his position when he played so I can take him serious *sometimes*
Kawhi had to work his way through a system. Which included Duncan, Manu, and Parker along with championships! Love Iggy but Philly was a low end team at that time with ONLY Iverson. He was a good 2nd option asked to to be the 1st option. When Kawhi took off he took off! Gil also forgot to mention Kawhi won his 1st DPOY in his 5th year (won back to back). Plus we all know BOTH won a Finals MVP for their “Defense” against Lebron! So if we are going to bash Kawhi then Iggy has no finals MVP lol!
Kawhi was second in scoring on the Spurs team in the finals, Tony Parker 18 ppg Kawhi 17.8…over the final 3 games of that series he avg 24 on 70% shooting
@@Universal_Bias idk what “trump weird” means if I understood I’d probably laugh. Whether he’s healthy or not my update is still 100% correct, stop being female sensitive.
Kwahi is a three level scorer and in his prime he was a elite defender he’s strong as fuck and has a 7’2ish wingspan it’s a reason why one became a 50 million a year player superstar and the other they tried to but he couldn’t deliver it speaks for itself he just wasn’t good enough
Kawhi leonard has been arguably a top 12 player for the last 8 years. Kawhi was the best perimeter defender for about 5 years. He’s a top 30-40 player all time. Gil and Shad’s take are fucking ridiculous.
@@matchesmalone2625 yeah they bugging I understand the politics where sometimes they do hold certain players down but in this case both players were giving a opportunity to lead franchises one rose to the top and became 2 time finals mvp and a perennial all star the other became a great role player on a championship team and stole a finals mvp from curry let’s be real here
Kawhi will forever be the "King in the North" ...that finals run was EPIC. The only player to take the trophy outside US borders...that gotta count for something. It wont happen again for another ten years
As a fan of the Jordan era, I thought Kawhi was the man we’ve been waiting for, the man to lead us through the Long night(from the soft era, back to the hard era), but I was wrong. He had a chance to take over the NBA, to take over Sports and become a Legend but he threw it all away by leaving Toronto and his afterward low managed behavior. Whoever has been managing his career moves, have completely diminished what he could have been.
@@rayleigh8 I think his injuries are legit. DeRozan and Lowery could never get past Lebron. Kawhi comes his first year and brings you a trophy. That alone makes him a HOF'er. It will be 2050 and the raptors will only have that one chip. Kawhi says "you're welcome"
The problem with this topic is it really shouldn't be a debate. Respect to everyone here for bigging up Iguodala and shining a light on his skillset and talent. The problem with the conversation tho is half the time it's down playing Kawhi's accomplishments to sell how good Iguodala could have been if he didn't take a more supportive role with the warriors. But we get it... Debate and barbershop style arguments get more clicks than a video of nothing but giving flowers lol
I love Gil arena but WTF people overrating iggy saying he’s on Kawhi Leonard level who’s a top 35 player of all time, 2 DPOYS, 2 Finals MVPs and when he’s healthy was considered a top 5 player love iggy but he’s glorified role player let’s be forreal. Edit: That raptors run, you can’t tell me if you substitute a prime IGOUDOLA they winning the chip like cmon.
So here’s the thing Gil doesn’t mention, Lebron had double the touches but only 17 percent of those touches were Bron scoring which means Klaw forced Bron to pass way more and not challenge him, he limited Bron’s touches to 35% per possession, Bron drove 13% vs Klaw and 22 vs everyone else, so the high percent Gil is speaking in came from mainly other defenders not Named Kawhi😂😂
this right here ends any and all discussion on the subject case closed. thank you brother for bringing the determining OBJECTIVE facts!! to light… some of yalls “ facts” aint objective
@user-lt1fx2he5s yep. One of my favorite nba videos of all-time. Ppl don't even need to look at the stats to see who was winning that match-up, all they have to do is look at the video of LeBron standing at the free-throw line and saying, "damn!," when he saw Kawhi check in the game.
For those who bring up Lebron’s numbers obviously didn’t watch the series . Kawhi was literally all over the floor defensively ,effecting the course of a 4-1 15+ pt difference while in games 3-5 going on 20-25 ppg run on crazy efficiency. Holding Lebron to roughly 28-35% shooting while having a high turnover rate and even making him passive/ ineffective in the series. Lebron literally got his numbers while being down 15-25 pts when either they weren’t worried about him or Kawhi and the starters sat out. Kawhi also was scoring regardless of his matchups rather it was Lebron , Battier , Bosh etc. So that’s why he won finals mvp, nobody remembers it because it was a blowout and didn’t want to hold Lebron accountable for getting dusted that series.
@@eghoseisiramen1892 nobody was trash the spurs were on a mission, cause the first 2 games were competitive. The shift happened when Kawhi took over the series starting in game 3 which set the Spurs tone and they didn’t look back for the rest of the series for a gentleman sweep. Kawhi , and that was prime Lebron’s assignment, was producing and Lebron couldn’t produce or matchup to his production. Yea Wade was slightly not himself that series but he wasn’t himself for 3 straight years to that point and they still came out and got 2 credit to the heat but that’s cause Lebron was actually solid to great. If you took Kawhi out or even significantly decrease his effectiveness that’s a competitive series. So once again with Leonard going off and Lebron is either playing bad/passive Kawhi can now contribute with help defense and passing lanes which made that a complete nightmare for the heat team and the spurs ran them out of there.
To be fair Kawhi’s finals mvp in SA was comparable to Iguodala’s finals mvp with the warriors, both were because they guarded LeBron. Kawhi winning Drake a championship easily gives him the edge😂
Never heard someone say we need Iggy to lead us to a championship...Iggy us a 3rd option in his prime on a championship team and generally a great 6th man before his decline
So now these dudes are discrediting Kawhi's 1st finals MVP while claiming that Iggy was a better player? They be talking CRAAAAAZY on here at times. Almost as crazy as "Magic wasnt a point guard". Gotdamn man...
Everything you said was just stupid😂 kawhi is nowhere near top 25 you smokin dick and there is no 25 goats tf you talkin bout he not a top 25 player period that nigga sit on the bench oh his motor if he had a high motor his ass wouldn’t sit every other game
When everyone comes down to building teams, the 3 you gotta start with is Bron, KD, and Kawhi. Only 3 players in history that can give you a 30 point triple double and hold down the entire court on defense. Just my honest opinion.
Yo this is such a wild take! We could appreciate Iggy's career without making outrageous claims. Over the course of their careers, Kawhi has been better than Iggy in almost every aspect of the game. Even at his athletic peak, Iggy never even averaged more than 20 points per game. Are we gonna ignore Kawhi's DPOYs? We can give Iggy the edge when it comes to health and availability. That's about it. Let's remove both their FInals MVPs against LeBron from the discussion, just to be fair. Neither the eye test nor the numbers support Iggy being better than Kawhi. I'm just struggling to make sense of this.
He barely plays .. That's to knock on. He was useless since 2020 already, especially late in the playoffs, he's always missing. I think he compounded almost 5 nba seasons just in load management.
YOU CANNOT TRADE IGUODALA TO ANY TEAM AT HIS PEAK AND EXPECT A CHAMPIONSHIP. KAWHI WENT TO TORONTO AND WON 1ST YR WITH THEM WHILE ADAPTING TO CHEMISTRY WITH EACH OTHER
Iggy was great but Kawhi is a better all around player, in that series against the Warriors he clamping the whole team! And if he wouldn't got hurt the Warriors would have had 1 less chip.
People forget that playoffs where kawhi got injured in game 1 against the KD warriors but had his team up by 20 points… if he doesn’t get injured he could have possibly taken that all time great team down single handedly
Iggy was one of my favorite players in the league at one point. Had all the intangibles, glue peice, super athletic, great defender. He was even robbed in the dunk contest.
Anybody who watched the series and didn’t just look at the box score knows Kawhi shut Lebron down when HE was guarding him. Miami did everything possible to forces switches and have Lebron attack when Kawhi was guarding someone else or on the bench. There’s a whole meme associated with Bron seeing Kawhi check in the game. To be clear Kawhi deserved the MVP of that finals and Miami lost that year by the biggest loss margin in finals history.
Don't matter bro Lebron was his assignment and still almost avg 30... they won in despite of Lebron ballin out because the Spurs stopped everybody else on the Heat not because of kawhi and a couple defensive stops on Lebron
Shit would be a waste of time,Mccants is a clown and was a bust. Skip is just an asshole but that's Skip and he's one of the best regardless if you like him or not.
This is where I question Gil’s and McCants credibility, the misconception is that Leonard got that mvp for the “Bron Stopper” but if you actually watched that finals or simply go look at the stats from that series he was simply just the best player on the winning team. Game 3-5 to be exact.
This convo shows why just because someone played in the NBA does not automatically mean they know more about basketball than everyone else. The average fan with any kind of ball knowledge would never have this convo but we have 3 ex players debating it as if Kawhi isn’t a 2x FMVP, 2x DPOY & 5x all star while missing 2 seasons. Iggy is one of my favorite players ever but he’s only made 1 all star game and averaged 20ppg 1x in his career & it was on a terrible team. This is a ridiculous debate
Young Iggy was a number 1 option, Young Kawhi was a 4th option, old Iggy was a 4th option, Old Kawhi is a number 1 option. Based on their game, Iggy is arguably a better player who has had a greater career.
Three games into the finals, Leonard has held LeBron to 16.7 points on 38.9 percent shooting from the floor and a 23.1 percent clip from three. Prior to this series, LeBron was posting 26.2 points on 51.4 percent shooting. So yeah, we all have to admit that Leonard has done a good job. Bleacher Report June 12 2013 FACTSS 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤷🏾♂️
I’m a Spurs fan and like most Spurs fans we are still a bit salty about Kawhi, but you can’t take away from his skills. When did Igualdala lead his team to a championship?
Defensively it’s a wash between the two but Kawhi has the edge offensively by a MILE! And that’s where the conversation ends. Defenses fear Kawhi. Iggy was just an ultimate role player. That 2015 FMVP could’ve easily went to steph the same way people say 2014 FMVP Kawhi didn’t deserve that.
Kawhi is a way better defender ain’t close. Also Kawhi averaged 25/8 on 68/57/86. No in on that team averaged more than 20. With iggy he was inefficient and he had a player who averaged 25 and averaged 30 across the whole playoff run do disrespect kawhi like that
Iguodala is was never good enough to be a number 1, he wasnt considered elite cause there was multiple years where as soon as they got in the playoffs iggy was shooting in the 30% from the field and his numbers went WAAAAAAAY down and guys like elton brand, andre miller, or jrue holiday were the ones leading the way. This is just the typical Early 2000s nba players who are actually casuals and the only thing they think that matters is regular season numbers and iso ball
To try and diminish Kawhis FMVP with SA, and not look at Iggy's in Golden State the same way is just goofy.
Exactly!!! 🤦🏾♂️
Extra goofy
It’s goofy to TAKE credit from Curry and Timmy D because somebody guarded a LOSER lol if that’s the case Jason Terry MVP for guarding him in 2012
Nah, that's a fair argument. Kawhi could've sat out the whole series and the Spurs still would've been fine, that series wasn't close at all. I'm not saying Iggy should've won FMVP, but they wouldn't have won without him.
@@Madvillainy48LeBron averaged 36 13 and 8... And Iggy got credit for stopping him
Mccants has to be doing this on purpose at this point.
2023 max kerlman vibes
Low-key fact 😂😂😂
He is. Every basketball show has that one guy who needs to have crazy takes so they can all get crazy and go viral.
@@cyberbron2024 yall always say that, and when ppl are off camera they say the same stupid shit...Gil said Rashad always says stupid stuff
@@cyberbron2024maybe you think that because you have an opinion others should have it to. That’s not how life works.
when iggy won his finals mvp lebron averaged 35 10 and 9 😂😂😂
💯😂😂😂
Without Kyrie and Kevin Love too
Someone had to score with kyrie and K love out for the series
@@jorgelinares6823 I bet you couldn't even IF YOU HAD TO
GTFOH 🤣😂
Those numbers sound good but if you actually watched those games iggy slowed him down and made him average 38% not 50 %.
I love it when Brandon starts talking in 1st person as the players he debates for 😂
Mr B
Bro! It threw me off at first. 😂
I read ur comment as he did it ..
Lmao facts 🤣
Look at how intense he looks. And when camera is on him. His face 😂
Players hate the media for having ridiculous takes…this is one of the wildest NBA takes in the last 15 years.
Yea this one bad horrible af
💯
I like Jennings take… he coulda easily diminished Iggy’s finals MVP but chose to just keep his argument to Kawhi’s accomplishments
They acting like Iggy Finals MVP wasn’t for the same reasons as Kawhi😂
😂😂😂😂
BINGO
right wtf
True
You could argue lebron went off more in that 2015 Finals run as well
Thank you Brandon Jennings for speaking some sense into these brothers. Although Kawhi is the face of Load management we still have to put some respect on his name!
Even Iggy would say these dudes are trippin!! 💯💯
Yeah blame the spurs
Why does he have to be respected and stacking his team in LA while Lebron gets trashed for playing on the Heat and people still try to say the Lakers are stacked?
He didn't stack the deck. James Harden wanted to play with him. @@ChillydontCap
Kawhi is fragile asf
Gil’s take on Kawhi not D’ing up Bron is wild. Bron was literally shaking his head whenever Kawhi was checking back in. Bron’s numbers mostly came from other defenders and off of fastbreak points. But when they were matched up in the half court, Bron was noticeably bothered and frustrated. And I love Iggy but other than his athleticism, Kawhi is on another level as far as shooting, handles, scoring and just being able to carry the load offensively. Both clutch though and both great perimeter defenders.
Wrong - it was Boris Diaw who had Lebron crossed up. I don’t agree and take nothing from Kawhi but diaw was holding bron in check
Kawhi had Bron 2nd guessing all series long. That was a 2nd yr 22yr old. Doing that, and if you want to see evidence look at Bron energy when he plays Kd away from the warriors and Gianniis , then look at when he plays Kawhi.
Thank you it is literally a viral video of LeBron looking back at Kawhi checking in and saying “Shit”
@@Theyaintme_cb6wasn’t really because of kawhi it was because they messed up his free throw routine
@mayowaojutalayo5298 lol it's odd that you believed that... dude had to look back first & then get mad... thats not even human instincts, he would've gotten mad as soon as he heard the whistle
Winning a FMVP giving up 53% 28ppg to ur matchup and saying he defended well is crazy but giving up 40ppg triple double pretty much for the finals and winning for Iggy was even crazier
The fact they didn’t acknowledge Kawhi a 2x DPOY is crazy 😂
Like them accolades doesn’t exist
@@boomboy219I think it’s just all for the show at this point. To even try and argue Iggy is better than Kawhi is hilarious.
and they said Iggy is a 1x DPOY winner which he isnt.
He only has one lil buddy
@@basketballboygenius2034 Kawhi definitely has 2 do your research lil fella
It’s impossible to take McCants seriously 😂😂😂
He’s an idiot 😂😂
He’s a clown idk why they got a bum on that podcast 😂😂
IMPOSSIBLE ❗️
He’s serving his purpose
The same man that says Gregg Pop was a terrible coach because he couldn't win consecutive finals or because Pop was tanking like Steve Kerr didn't do the same man foh Mccants lol
Iggy never averaged 20 in a season, highest he had was 19.9 if you want to round up. We seen Kawhi put multiple teams on his back for deep playoff runs. They’re not even in the same class.
they all take turns saying retarded shit segment after segment... it's entertaining as fuck, but it's a HARD watch... my brain explodes every 3 minutes
One deep playoff run
@@DeeScott-sl4xhYea cuz Andrew Bogut stuck his foot out
@@DeeScott-sl4xh
who tf cares? Iggy has no deep playoff run as the solo star he was a perineal first or second-round exit the deepest he went was when he was the fourth option on the warriors
How the hell is this even a conversation? Has to be McCants or Gil with some nonsense take 😭
Never forget Lebron's face at the scorers table when Kwahi checked backed in...
He’s at the free throw line, and there’s video of it of how the coward grimaces when Kawhi comes in.
@rayleigh8 I wouldn't call the man a coward, but thanks for the correction...
That was funny.
The claw Toronto run crushes Iguodala entire career alone. It’s like everyone skips that championship like this man didn’t do that the first year with that team is crazy.
Stop it. Toronto was already knocking on the door
Because the ending wasnt impressive. Most of the warriors got hurt. Literally none of them have ever been the same after those injuries.
@@A.D.907thank you!!! they wasn't trash in a long time, they just kept losing to bron
This pod is the definition of just because you speak louder doesn't mean you're right
Kawhi's run with Toronto is one of the greatest playoffs I've ever seen a player have. Iggy can't match that.
The run Kawhi went on was incredible!
i mean it really wasnt though. that toronto team was loaded.
@@FromTheHippYeah, the Raps were loaded.... and the Warriors weren't??? If the Raps were loaded all those years, then how come they didn't win before and after Kawhi? Boy... sit down.
Not to mention, Kawhi played hurt for the rest of the playoffs with knee soreness after Game 5 of the Philadelphia series....
They was loaded??? It was the same squad minus demar derozen… demar couldn’t do that fuck u mean! That playoff run was historic… it’s up there with 2011 dirks run!
They mentioned Kawhi Spurs' finals MVP and how they gave it to him because he "slowed down" Lebron to 28 ppg... noticed they didn't mention Iggy's finals MVP...LEBRON averaged 35, 10, and 8 and gave finals MVP to Iggy because he WAS Guarding Lebron. At least be consistent and fair with the takes Gilbert. Around 7:30 mark Gil tried to discredit Kawhi but whole time he describing IGGY's 2015 finals run without even knowing it...
Not to mention Kawhi Leonard held Bron ineffective til Garabge time and held him to 35%.
Bingo! I’m glad I didn’t have to type all this out. Revisionist history
I was gonna say the same. How do they forget Bron averaged more and won more games with less literally the year after kawhi got his
Boris Diaw played great defense this series!
Gil was hating on Steph when Iggy was there.
Iggy wouldn't even tell you he's better than Kawhi
"it's a good comparison right" ?
"No" 😂😂
There’s no way they seriously debating this😂😂😂
Iggy was on the show. So they gonna have his back.
@@jcc3333
Iggy himself would tell you he isn't as good as Kawhi
Mccants on here to have garbage takes for clicks
@@givenchyoverall
Gil was backing him up though lol they both need to hold this L for this trash ass take
U dont even know 1% of the basketball they know sit down somewhere
Iggy never been a top 5 player at no point in his career please stop .. Kawhi had numerous years considered a top 5
Neither has Kwahi they just throw you in the top 5 when you win but throughout the season he's never been too 5
@@SoulKingCeeJayso averaging 27 ppg while being the top defender in the league isn’t considered being top 5 in the league 🤔
@@SoulKingCeeJaykawhi was definitely one of those guys at a point just been injured a lot. Iggy literally was just a great role player on a great team. The warriors for sure couldve won without iggy.
@Mighty___ are you serious lmao
@@Adam-zw1ck deadass
This a perfect example of just because players play the game that it means they always correct.
McCants was terrible in the league and he’s always wrong ain’t nobody listening to him , Gil says some wild shit but was considered top 5 at his position when he played so I can take him serious *sometimes*
@@pedrogates3189Gil be lying & hating
Exactly
Facts!
Facts
Kawhi had to work his way through a system. Which included Duncan, Manu, and Parker along with championships!
Love Iggy but Philly was a low end team at that time with ONLY Iverson. He was a good 2nd option asked to to be the 1st option.
When Kawhi took off he took off! Gil also forgot to mention Kawhi won his 1st DPOY in his 5th year (won back to back).
Plus we all know BOTH won a Finals MVP for their “Defense” against Lebron! So if we are going to bash Kawhi then Iggy has no finals MVP lol!
Kawhi was second in scoring on the Spurs team in the finals, Tony Parker 18 ppg Kawhi 17.8…over the final 3 games of that series he avg 24 on 70% shooting
I ain't even watch it yet and I already know McCants wrong😅
Shutup
46 seconds in....😂😂😂😂
Everytime!😂
😂😂😂😂😂
Definitely and I love bro😂
If Kawhi mvp isn’t real, Iggys isn’t either. Case closed. So it’s 1-0
Neither are
@@O.V.AClothinghow
Neither of the fmvp were deserved.
@@O.V.AClothing Kawhi wasn't the best player on that torronto team? oKAY BUDDY
The Kawhi disrespect is unreal. I hope he get another full year healthy. He will shut all this up.
Facts i hope he destroys it this year
@@qhousee17 looks like our wishes are coming true! Where the trolls at now?
Update: Kawhi didn’t get a championship ring and he won’t be winning a gold medal either.
@@kellzfargo9639 update: he's not healthy still. Stop being Trump weird.
@@Universal_Bias idk what “trump weird” means if I understood I’d probably laugh. Whether he’s healthy or not my update is still 100% correct, stop being female sensitive.
The fact that we’re having this conversation is ridiculous
Bruh Kawhi literally lead, dragged his team to the finals and won. And iggy shouldn't have gotten it stop.
You can invalidate Iggy's finals MVP with that same argument 😂
Gilbert says some wild shit without thinking sometimes 🤦🏻♂️lol
I thought he was talking about him at first since he said “defended lebron” 😂
A lesser Bron vs kawahi shoots 50%. A better shooter Bron vs iggy shoots 38%. Where's the argument you think you have?
@@Gr1MM240Lebron was shooting that before iggy was checking him lmao
Kwahi is a three level scorer and in his prime he was a elite defender he’s strong as fuck and has a 7’2ish wingspan it’s a reason why one became a 50 million a year player superstar and the other they tried to but he couldn’t deliver it speaks for itself he just wasn’t good enough
Kawhi leonard has been arguably a top 12 player for the last 8 years. Kawhi was the best perimeter defender for about 5 years. He’s a top 30-40 player all time. Gil and Shad’s take are fucking ridiculous.
@@matchesmalone2625 yeah they bugging I understand the politics where sometimes they do hold certain players down but in this case both players were giving a opportunity to lead franchises one rose to the top and became 2 time finals mvp and a perennial all star the other became a great role player on a championship team and stole a finals mvp from curry let’s be real here
Kawhi never even play.
They always talk about that levels shit..
Kawhi will forever be the "King in the North" ...that finals run was EPIC. The only player to take the trophy outside US borders...that gotta count for something. It wont happen again for another ten years
As a fan of the Jordan era, I thought Kawhi was the man we’ve been waiting for, the man to lead us through the Long night(from the soft era, back to the hard era), but I was wrong.
He had a chance to take over the NBA, to take over Sports and become a Legend but he threw it all away by leaving Toronto and his afterward low managed behavior. Whoever has been managing his career moves, have completely diminished what he could have been.
its not over yet lol @@rayleigh8
Cap he can’t even stay on the court to finish a whole game without faking a injuries come on now stop the cap
What is the north? Lol sit down canadians
@@rayleigh8 I think his injuries are legit. DeRozan and Lowery could never get past Lebron. Kawhi comes his first year and brings you a trophy. That alone makes him a HOF'er. It will be 2050 and the raptors will only have that one chip. Kawhi says "you're welcome"
Gil licking his fingers after saying "barbershop chicken" is hilarious 😂
He said "BBQ chicken" fool wtf Issa "bArBeR sHoP cHiCkEn" 🙄🤦🏽♂️😭
Man when KL was in Toronto that was peak
Gotta be locked up for a take like this lmao
The problem with this topic is it really shouldn't be a debate.
Respect to everyone here for bigging up Iguodala and shining a light on his skillset and talent. The problem with the conversation tho is half the time it's down playing Kawhi's accomplishments to sell how good Iguodala could have been if he didn't take a more supportive role with the warriors.
But we get it... Debate and barbershop style arguments get more clicks than a video of nothing but giving flowers lol
The argument Gill brought up about Kawhii only getting his finals MVP with the Spurs can be applied to Iggy.
Right how tf iggy get mvp he got tourched lol
They didn't wanna give it to curry that's why.
The disrespect for Kahwi from Gil, and Rashad, is uncanny🤦🏿♂️...Shoutout for Brandon for speaking some facts among this nonsense
Am I the one that face palms everytime mccants opens his mouth? 😂🤦🏽♂️
I love Gil arena but WTF people overrating iggy saying he’s on Kawhi Leonard level who’s a top 35 player of all time, 2 DPOYS, 2 Finals MVPs and when he’s healthy was considered a top 5 player love iggy but he’s glorified role player let’s be forreal.
Edit: That raptors run, you can’t tell me if you substitute a prime IGOUDOLA they winning the chip like cmon.
Kawhi top 35? Drinking semen
Iggy not even top 250
@@mandunyanigga yes he top 35. Tf? U people must not know about this man. He will win another championship 😊
I don’t think Iggy has ever carried a team the way Kawhi brought the Raptors, McCants be tripping
Some wild ass take on Gil's Arena. The disrespect to the Klaw is crazy...
5-6 yrs into his career Khawi had more steals than fouls..that’s crazy.
So here’s the thing Gil doesn’t mention, Lebron had double the touches but only 17 percent of those touches were Bron scoring which means Klaw forced Bron to pass way more and not challenge him, he limited Bron’s touches to 35% per possession, Bron drove 13% vs Klaw and 22 vs everyone else, so the high percent Gil is speaking in came from mainly other defenders not Named Kawhi😂😂
this right here ends any and all discussion on the subject case closed. thank you brother for bringing the determining OBJECTIVE facts!! to light… some of yalls “ facts” aint objective
Exactly. LeBron was literally calling for screens to get away from Kawhi lol
Facts bro these Lebron fans just scream out stats like bra that’s not the entire game
@@Dipset415Even when Kawhi checked back into the game lebron said “Damn” while at the free throw line
@user-lt1fx2he5s yep. One of my favorite nba videos of all-time. Ppl don't even need to look at the stats to see who was winning that match-up, all they have to do is look at the video of LeBron standing at the free-throw line and saying, "damn!," when he saw Kawhi check in the game.
For those who bring up Lebron’s numbers obviously didn’t watch the series . Kawhi was literally all over the floor defensively ,effecting the course of a 4-1 15+ pt difference while in games 3-5 going on 20-25 ppg run on crazy efficiency. Holding Lebron to roughly 28-35% shooting while having a high turnover rate and even making him passive/ ineffective in the series. Lebron literally got his numbers while being down 15-25 pts when either they weren’t worried about him or Kawhi and the starters sat out. Kawhi also was scoring regardless of his matchups rather it was Lebron , Battier , Bosh etc. So that’s why he won finals mvp, nobody remembers it because it was a blowout and didn’t want to hold Lebron accountable for getting dusted that series.
Facts brodie Lebron fans just bring up stats and don’t break down the film🤦🏿♂️
Bring up How Kawhi shut down Steph and KD during that series before he got hurt!
And I could counter by saying kawhi could do that cause everyone else else was ass
@@Dipset415sureeee
@@eghoseisiramen1892 nobody was trash the spurs were on a mission, cause the first 2 games were competitive. The shift happened when Kawhi took over the series starting in game 3 which set the Spurs tone and they didn’t look back for the rest of the series for a gentleman sweep. Kawhi , and that was prime Lebron’s assignment, was producing and Lebron couldn’t produce or matchup to his production. Yea Wade was slightly not himself that series but he wasn’t himself for 3 straight years to that point and they still came out and got 2 credit to the heat but that’s cause Lebron was actually solid to great. If you took Kawhi out or even significantly decrease his effectiveness that’s a competitive series. So once again with Leonard going off and Lebron is either playing bad/passive Kawhi can now contribute with help defense and passing lanes which made that a complete nightmare for the heat team and the spurs ran them out of there.
To be fair Kawhi’s finals mvp in SA was comparable to Iguodala’s finals mvp with the warriors, both were because they guarded LeBron. Kawhi winning Drake a championship easily gives him the edge😂
See what Max Kellerman started? Now everyone wants iguodala
Never heard someone say we need Iggy to lead us to a championship...Iggy us a 3rd option in his prime on a championship team and generally a great 6th man before his decline
So now these dudes are discrediting Kawhi's 1st finals MVP while claiming that Iggy was a better player? They be talking CRAAAAAZY on here at times. Almost as crazy as "Magic wasnt a point guard".
Gotdamn man...
Mcants wilding ,,, Khawi way better than Iggy
People have no respect for kawhi unbelievable very underrated.
They literally chose different paths. Kawhi wanted to be the man. Iggy chose to be a role player on a championship level team.
This the craziest shit I seen😂😂
K.L. is a top 25 GOAT IMO. Underrated because of his fundamental style. 7'4" wingspan, can guard 1-5, has a top 20% jumper and his motor is unmatched.
Everything you said was just stupid😂 kawhi is nowhere near top 25 you smokin dick and there is no 25 goats tf you talkin bout he not a top 25 player period that nigga sit on the bench oh his motor if he had a high motor his ass wouldn’t sit every other game
When everyone comes down to building teams, the 3 you gotta start with is Bron, KD, and Kawhi. Only 3 players in history that can give you a 30 point triple double and hold down the entire court on defense. Just my honest opinion.
Pop it out 🍆, he’s not even better than James Harden 😂
Giannis?
Underrated? tf
Iggy was a problem, idk bout the Kawhi thing. Max said it tho “I want Iguodala” 🤣😂
I lost respect after this 😂😂 I never thought Gil would agree to bs like that 🤦🏾♂️
Yea hes never been credible
He let lebron balls blind his judgement
I agree with you sm cringe
@@BigDilf3exactly bron whooped his ass too hard last time
Brandon Seen LeBron Get Shook By Khawi Checking In 🤣🤣
i notice that they really dont talk much about Kawhi winning in Toronto
Kawhi was cooking the warriors in 2017, the had to take him out and ironically came back around in 2019 😂 while the Klaw was playing injured
Facts all nba fans know kawhi would of went crazy had zaza not injure him
Yo this is such a wild take! We could appreciate Iggy's career without making outrageous claims. Over the course of their careers, Kawhi has been better than Iggy in almost every aspect of the game. Even at his athletic peak, Iggy never even averaged more than 20 points per game. Are we gonna ignore Kawhi's DPOYs? We can give Iggy the edge when it comes to health and availability. That's about it. Let's remove both their FInals MVPs against LeBron from the discussion, just to be fair. Neither the eye test nor the numbers support Iggy being better than Kawhi. I'm just struggling to make sense of this.
Lebron was held to 35% when guarded by Kawhi in those finals, and Lebron shot 39% in 2015…
U aare exactly right. This take is stupid and disrespectful to kawhi like he aint top 5 player in league when fully healthy.
They really debating this😂
I know exactly the reason he posted this comment lmao this is definitely a joke saying he’s better than Kawhi 😂
How did this actually become a debate?
I want IGWA'DOLLAH!
Not fr, I just never get tired of hearing that soundbite, and want to post it lol
Khawi is literally the only player you can look at and see 0 flaws in his game
Healthy lol
He barely plays .. That's to knock on. He was useless since 2020 already, especially late in the playoffs, he's always missing. I think he compounded almost 5 nba seasons just in load management.
He plays 40 games a year
@@Marian-ng3dothen they got put out the playoffs with Luka
YOU CANNOT TRADE IGUODALA TO ANY TEAM AT HIS PEAK AND EXPECT A CHAMPIONSHIP. KAWHI WENT TO TORONTO AND WON 1ST YR WITH THEM WHILE ADAPTING TO CHEMISTRY WITH EACH OTHER
Facts. That alone shows how good he is
Iggy was great but Kawhi is a better all around player, in that series against the Warriors he clamping the whole team! And if he wouldn't got hurt the Warriors would have had 1 less chip.
Rashad is the most objective brother on the show. He has his facts in order. Y’all just give him his props
Kawhi got more steals than he does fouls . What we talking about here?
I love how passionate they all are about the game.
And only 1 is right 😂
And still stupid.
I'm mad that Jennings let them argue about Kawhi being Carried by the spurs and ain't use the same argument for iggy on the warriors
People forget that playoffs where kawhi got injured in game 1 against the KD warriors but had his team up by 20 points… if he doesn’t get injured he could have possibly taken that all time great team down single handedly
Stop the single handedly mess.
And no one forgot that you just thought you were on to something.
KD beat the previous season with russ 😂😂😂😂 KD ups his game if kawhi does anything
@@user-dh7dj3yw1bAll GS fans do…but y’all wanna cry about 2019 so much
@@lorddj9910 Who is y’all??? 🤣
"I didn't tell him to go the Clippers."
As a clipper fan, I don't even mind the strays. That was funny.
Iggy was one of my favorite players in the league at one point. Had all the intangibles, glue peice, super athletic, great defender. He was even robbed in the dunk contest.
Absolutely robbed in the dunk contest
Gil’s reasoning for Khawi’s first Finals MVP is the same reason Iggy got his lol
Anybody who watched the series and didn’t just look at the box score knows Kawhi shut Lebron down when HE was guarding him. Miami did everything possible to forces switches and have Lebron attack when Kawhi was guarding someone else or on the bench. There’s a whole meme associated with Bron seeing Kawhi check in the game. To be clear Kawhi deserved the MVP of that finals and Miami lost that year by the biggest loss margin in finals history.
THEY DONT WATCH MY BROTHA! Thank you
Don't matter bro Lebron was his assignment and still almost avg 30... they won in despite of Lebron ballin out because the Spurs stopped everybody else on the Heat not because of kawhi and a couple defensive stops on Lebron
@@waltjones6927Bron scored most his points when the games were already out of hand. When guarded by Kawhi he shot 40% as well.
@@lorddj9910 those no reason to argue with retards that think basketball is a one v one
I wanna see McCants and Skip have a debate. Lol
Nobody wants to see that lol
@@Adam-zw1ck I do. Pure entertainment.
@@Adam-zw1ck I thought the same thing! Two contrarians would be brutal!
Shit would be a waste of time,Mccants is a clown and was a bust. Skip is just an asshole but that's Skip and he's one of the best regardless if you like him or not.
Gil acting like Kawhi is “BBQ chicken” is insane. Bro is light years better than Iggy defensively lmao
Like Gil said, you should compare their primes.
It's crazy to see people who played the game at the highest level not know a damn thing about basketball. This whole video has to be a troll
BJ's face at 6:41 is priceless 🤣
Yooooooo😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
This is where I question Gil’s and McCants credibility, the misconception is that Leonard got that mvp for the “Bron Stopper” but if you actually watched that finals or simply go look at the stats from that series he was simply just the best player on the winning team. Game 3-5 to be exact.
Kawhi was clearly the best player in that series. These dudes are trippin’
This convo shows why just because someone played in the NBA does not automatically mean they know more about basketball than everyone else. The average fan with any kind of ball knowledge would never have this convo but we have 3 ex players debating it as if Kawhi isn’t a 2x FMVP, 2x DPOY & 5x all star while missing 2 seasons. Iggy is one of my favorite players ever but he’s only made 1 all star game and averaged 20ppg 1x in his career & it was on a terrible team. This is a ridiculous debate
I’m mad I even watched this video. Man is 30 8 and 5 in the playoffs since 2016. 62 games. On 50/40/90. What are we doing here man??
All facts. I couldn’t agree more.
Young Iggy was a number 1 option, Young Kawhi was a 4th option, old Iggy was a 4th option, Old Kawhi is a number 1 option. Based on their game, Iggy is arguably a better player who has had a greater career.
@@BeyondthenumbersKawhi doesn’t even play that often.
@@ReggieBowe shut up man just stop talking
I NEEDED MIKO FOR THIS CONVERSATION LOL
Gil brings up Kawhi getting MVP for “stopping” LeBron when that’s the exact same reason Iggy got it is insane😂😂
Right. And Bron averaged more against Iggy lol
@@Ben2bwildjust stats if you watched the game them stats was like last years with the lakers empty calories 💯
@@Dipset415kawhi did not stop LeBron y'all keep crying about that. This shit funny as hell
@@ed3712 just like bron didn’t stop rose it was box in 1 with wade bron and battier and rose couldn’t shoot🤙🏿
Three games into the finals, Leonard has held LeBron to 16.7 points on 38.9 percent shooting from the floor and a 23.1 percent clip from three. Prior to this series, LeBron was posting 26.2 points on 51.4 percent shooting. So yeah, we all have to admit that Leonard has done a good job.
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FACTSS 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤷🏾♂️
I’m a Spurs fan and like most Spurs fans we are still a bit salty about Kawhi, but you can’t take away from his skills. When did Igualdala lead his team to a championship?
Gil and Rashad be smoking the greatest of greens 😵💫🤣
Iggy not a 1or 2 so following Iverson was a no win situation for my Sixers.. but Golden State gave him opportunity to play his proper role
I'm just here for the shit talking, hilarious 😂 😂
A jester in a crown is crazzzzzy
I thought that it was going to be another one of Gil's horrible takes but I guess McCants can't let him be the only troll.
He had ginobli, tony Parker and Tim Duncan he couldn’t average 30 in that system
@lucaswalker7271 Thankyou. Especially with Greg Popovich as the head coach. Ain't know way...lmao
@@FreeAgent797 facts they sound crazy
@lucaswalker7271 facts even Tim Duncan in his prime pop not going for that
Josiah with the Coming to America reference at the end 💀💀
Nah that’s facts tho 😂😂😂 every time kwahi checked in😂😂😂
It’s funny how when Kawhi was guarding lebron, lebron didn’t want the ball 😂😂😂
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Defensively it’s a wash between the two but Kawhi has the edge offensively by a MILE! And that’s where the conversation ends. Defenses fear Kawhi. Iggy was just an ultimate role player. That 2015 FMVP could’ve easily went to steph the same way people say 2014 FMVP Kawhi didn’t deserve that.
Kawhi is a way better defender ain’t close. Also Kawhi averaged 25/8 on 68/57/86. No in on that team averaged more than 20. With iggy he was inefficient and he had a player who averaged 25 and averaged 30 across the whole playoff run do disrespect kawhi like that
Iguodala is was never good enough to be a number 1, he wasnt considered elite cause there was multiple years where as soon as they got in the playoffs iggy was shooting in the 30% from the field and his numbers went WAAAAAAAY down and guys like elton brand, andre miller, or jrue holiday were the ones leading the way. This is just the typical Early 2000s nba players who are actually casuals and the only thing they think that matters is regular season numbers and iso ball
😂😂😂😂😂 Mccants never fails
He said that scratching his nose. I knew he was capping 😂
He ain’t make any lucky shots for the heat vs the lakers or stop James