Nice! But still I would like to see you in action making these zettels and linking them with your own words. Maybe on a new topic that you are encountering first time (like from a tech book?)
There you go! I've started already using Obsidian + Zettelkasten. Bought your course on Udemy. This ryzhomatic way of thinking really suits mine. It's working really well, thank you!
I think the moment I finally understood zettelkasten is when I thought of it as taking notes of my thoughts and ideas that pop up during a conversation, video, book, etc. Not noting down what others have said, other than where the idea came from (the source of my thought). Which I think is the point of quoting someone. Hope that makes sense. 😄
If you told me back in high school that some day I would be on the edge of my seat while a beautiful bearded man taught me about note taking I would have shit myself.
The hard part for me is "atomic notes". How does one decides whether idea atomic or not? For example, recently I was writing down my thoughts regards publishing technical articles on Medium platform. I kept it as one note, but It's hard to call it "atomic", since it was a bullet list of different ideas. So, according to the method presented in the video, should have I created separate notes (md files) for each element of the bullet list?
The advice here is quite simple: try it. Make a Markdown file for each bullet point. And make a value judgement. Is it more coherent? Is it easier to hyperlink? Is it easier to remember, to find? You are right, deeming whether things are atomic or not is hard. But that’s because that’s something you’ll have to decide for yourself. You can view this challenge in two ways: as a burden to carry, originating from the kind of perfectionism that arises when one excessively pushes themself; or as an exploration. Viewing it as an exploration, which is my suggestion, comes with the sense that you never really get things 100% done. However, it also means that you’ll always have something to do, should you choose to play around with it and not give in to perfection. It promotes development, learning, and keeps you from being stuck. Also, I do believe that you don’t have to use Zettelkasten for everything. View it as tool: something that works well for some tasks, but not for others.
note taking is something i really want to improve for my learning & workflow this was very interesting, i'm looking forward to what you will show us next
Practical question. Suppose you document your settings, notes, choices, ... concerning Obsidian. You document the queries you make with Dataview. How would you link the note with a query to Obsidian and/or Dataview? You link the note to Obsidian and Dataview. Or you link to Dataview, which links to Community Plugins, which links to Obsidian?
I love your content but can you please change your screen cast format a bit, the way it zooms and pans the animations are very irritating, I'd rather have it fixed so I can concentrate better, great video though, but it would be great if you considered this.
9:45 You say Luhmann "would keep adding them (his notes) without regard of placement [...]" But on the book "How to Take Smart Notes" by Sönke Ahrens, Page 30, Chapter 1 "Everything You Need to Know", Section 1.3 "The slip-box manual" he says: "The trick is that he did not organise his notes by topic, but in the rather abstract way of giving them fixed numbers. The numbers bore no meaning and were only there to identify each note permanently. If a new note was relevant or directly referred to an already existing note, such as a comment, correction or addition, he added it directly behind the previous note. If the existing note had the number 22, the new note would become note number 23. If 23 already existed, he named the new note 22a. By alternating numbers and letters, with some slashes and commas in between, he was able to branch out into as many strings of thought as he liked. For example, a note about causality and systems theory carried the number 21/3d7a7 following a note with the number 21/3d7a6." So the placement of the notes did matter to make a cohesive string of thought
I like your ideas, but I feel that you're keeping information and show limited practical stuff just because of the paid course .. and you repeat some stuff a bit too much over videos... but hey, if it works for you and people appreciate it, keep it up. If one wants to go deeper, you present some interesting concepts to start from ✌✌
I think in one of his Neovim videos, he opens his "second brain" directory and you can see what it looks like. It may take a little fast forwarding through the video to reach it, though.
But to do this, creating notes, must easily take two hours out of a working day? As a free-lance consultant it is hard to invoice those hours 🙂. Thanks for the good video.
Consider it a time investment, as it will yield returns later on. Even for the work you do for clients, it can help you solve future tasks more efficiently, increasing your productivity.
That's the whole trick. It "works" because you spend abysmal amounts of time writing, reading and organizing those notes. The system itself is just a facade.
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Nice! But still I would like to see you in action making these zettels and linking them with your own words. Maybe on a new topic that you are encountering first time (like from a tech book?)
There you go! I've started already using Obsidian + Zettelkasten. Bought your course on Udemy. This ryzhomatic way of thinking really suits mine. It's working really well, thank you!
Happy to hear it’s working so well for you!
I think the moment I finally understood zettelkasten is when I thought of it as taking notes of my thoughts and ideas that pop up during a conversation, video, book, etc. Not noting down what others have said, other than where the idea came from (the source of my thought). Which I think is the point of quoting someone. Hope that makes sense. 😄
If you told me back in high school that some day I would be on the edge of my seat while a beautiful bearded man taught me about note taking I would have shit myself.
The hard part for me is "atomic notes". How does one decides whether idea atomic or not?
For example, recently I was writing down my thoughts regards publishing technical articles on Medium platform. I kept it as one note, but It's hard to call it "atomic", since it was a bullet list of different ideas. So, according to the method presented in the video, should have I created separate notes (md files) for each element of the bullet list?
The advice here is quite simple: try it. Make a Markdown file for each bullet point. And make a value judgement. Is it more coherent? Is it easier to hyperlink? Is it easier to remember, to find?
You are right, deeming whether things are atomic or not is hard. But that’s because that’s something you’ll have to decide for yourself.
You can view this challenge in two ways: as a burden to carry, originating from the kind of perfectionism that arises when one excessively pushes themself; or as an exploration.
Viewing it as an exploration, which is my suggestion, comes with the sense that you never really get things 100% done. However, it also means that you’ll always have something to do, should you choose to play around with it and not give in to perfection. It promotes development, learning, and keeps you from being stuck.
Also, I do believe that you don’t have to use Zettelkasten for everything. View it as tool: something that works well for some tasks, but not for others.
Thanks Mischa! What is the font you use that looks like its handwritten? Thanks again!
Hello, your videos are helping me a lot with my study.. Thank you for sharing, unfortunatly I can't financially support back yet.
I’m glad I’m able to help you!
note taking is something i really want to improve for my learning & workflow
this was very interesting, i'm looking forward to what you will show us next
To remember your notes, just writing by your own words and use zettelkasten method to improve your thinking to be efficient learning, thank you Misha
great one as always Mischa, I'll be making a zettle on it
Thanks Waylon!
Practical question. Suppose you document your settings, notes, choices, ... concerning Obsidian. You document the queries you make with Dataview. How would you link the note with a query to Obsidian and/or Dataview? You link the note to Obsidian and Dataview. Or you link to Dataview, which links to Community Plugins, which links to Obsidian?
I love your content but can you please change your screen cast format a bit, the way it zooms and pans the animations are very irritating, I'd rather have it fixed so I can concentrate better, great video though, but it would be great if you considered this.
It didn’t bother me until you mentioned it 😂
@@blbl76432 😂😂
It's good for watching from mobile
What tool do you use too zoom in and out the screen?
There’s a link to this tool in the description!
@mischavandenburg What do you think of The Archive versus Obsidian as a Zettlekasten app?
I have not tried it, but I doubt whether it will sync across devices as well as Obsidian does
9:45 You say Luhmann "would keep adding them (his notes) without regard of placement [...]"
But on the book "How to Take Smart Notes" by Sönke Ahrens, Page 30, Chapter 1 "Everything You Need to Know", Section 1.3 "The slip-box manual" he says:
"The trick is that he did not organise his notes by topic, but in the rather abstract way of giving them fixed numbers. The numbers bore no meaning and were only there to identify each note permanently. If a new note was relevant or directly referred to an already existing note, such as a comment, correction or addition, he added it directly behind the previous note. If the existing note had the number 22, the new note would become note number 23. If 23 already existed, he named the new note 22a. By alternating numbers and letters, with some slashes and commas in between, he was able to branch out into as many strings of thought as he liked. For example, a note about causality and systems theory carried the number 21/3d7a7 following a note with the number 21/3d7a6."
So the placement of the notes did matter to make a cohesive string of thought
I like your ideas, but I feel that you're keeping information and show limited practical stuff just because of the paid course .. and you repeat some stuff a bit too much over videos... but hey, if it works for you and people appreciate it, keep it up. If one wants to go deeper, you present some interesting concepts to start from ✌✌
What are you thoughts on MOC?
I prefer the term "Index", and I use them in my Zettelkasten.
can you teach us how to sync your vault across devices?
Obsidian Sync. In my courses I show how to use Obsidian git
what does your directory structure look like?
I think in one of his Neovim videos, he opens his "second brain" directory and you can see what it looks like. It may take a little fast forwarding through the video to reach it, though.
But to do this, creating notes, must easily take two hours out of a working day? As a free-lance consultant it is hard to invoice those hours 🙂. Thanks for the good video.
This is for building yourself. It shouldn't be thought of as billable work for your employer...
Consider it a time investment, as it will yield returns later on. Even for the work you do for clients, it can help you solve future tasks more efficiently, increasing your productivity.
That's the whole trick. It "works" because you spend abysmal amounts of time writing, reading and organizing those notes. The system itself is just a facade.
It takes time. If you spend too much time on it, it is a sign you are over-consuming information and you cannot process it all anyway.
Tldw: nothing new, only prices getting higher
Algo me da mala espina de esto. Mucha foscusion meta, aproximacion poco práctica
i sad ur charging for access to community if it was one on one i could understand (if rob had the same attitude you might not be a devops person)
First ☺