I am so happy and grateful to have encountered the Ministry of Rick Renner. I watch most of these you-tube videos on my mobile device and the "Comment" function doesn't operate. I keep on needing to remember to log my comment when I'm on a different device.
More: I recently got access to a previously-purchased High Performance teaching and the presenter mentioned Rick Renner's teaching on 2 Corinthians 10: verse 5, the short phrase "take captive" - - - that is what has gotten me totally hooked!
Thank you for this teaching. I know for myself I’m asking for guidance about a couple of things and I really want to hear from the Lord to know what I should do.
Judy, thank you for your question! A member of our team would love to discuss this with you. Please email your question to social@renner.org so we can give it the care it deserves. We look forward to hearing from you! -- Team Renner
With respect to Mark 16:17 - when people went out to spread the message of Christianity, they encountered peoples, customs, and moreover languages they had hitherto not known even existed. Thus, they would need to speak with “new languages” - they would need to learn them in order to spread the message. The passage refers to nothing more than real, rational languages. If one were to hear someone say, “I’m going to start speaking a new language.” I don’t think anyone would assume it was anything else than a real, rational language. The point is, that it’s a new language to the one(s) learning it, not to the people who already speak it. The entire passage is rather moot anyway since it is a later addition to the text (early 2nd century). Pentecost has nothing to do with linguistic diversity; the Holy Spirit did not give the language; it gave the _manner_ in which it was spoken. The gift of languages was not needed at Pentecost. Long story for another day, but linguistic diversity was not part of the picture as many believe it to have been. The apostles were not speaking any language they didn't already know. In the entire narrative, not one language is ever referenced by name - ever really wonder why. There is absolutely nothing mysterious about Biblical "tongues" - and there is only one type - when referring to something spoken, they are nothing more than real, rational language(s); usually, but not always, unknown to those listening to them, but always known by the speaker(s) - it’s their native language (in some cases, it is a language the speaker has learned). In contrast, the “tongues” Pentecostal and Charismatic Christians are producing today is an entirely self-created phenomenon. It is non-cognitive non-language utterance; random free vocalization based upon a subset of the existing underlying sounds (called phonemes) of the speaker’s native language, and any other language(s) the speaker may be familiar with or have had contact with. It is, in part, typically characterized by repetitive syllables, plays on sound patterns, alliteration, assonance, and over-simplification of syllable structure. It is also interesting to note that any disallowed sound combinations, i.e. consonant clusters, in the speaker’s native language are also disallowed in his/her tongues-speech. Further, this subset of phonemes typically contains only those sounds which are easiest to produce physiologically. Occasionally some speakers will use two or more subsets of phonemes to generate glossolalia, producing what, to them, sounds like two (or more) distinct “tongues languages”, thus claiming to be able to speak in “divers tongues”. There is absolutely _nothing_ that “tongues-speakers” are producing that cannot be explained in relatively simple linguistic terms. Conversely, when it comes to something spoken, there are absolutely _no_ Biblical references to “tongues” that do not refer to, and cannot be explained in light of, real rational language(s), though it may not be the explanation you want to hear, and it may be one which is radically different from what you believe, or were taught. _Nowhere in the Bible is modern tongues-speech advocated or evidenced._ “Praying in the Spirit” does _not_ refer to the words one is saying. Rather, it refers to how one is praying. In the three places it is used (Corinthians, Ephesians, and Jude), there is absolutely zero reference to 'languages' in connection with this phrase. “Praying in the Spirit” should be understood as praying in the power of the Spirit, by the leading of the Spirit, and according to His will.
I'm not doubting or questioning the 'tongues experience'; glossolalia as the spiritual tool that it is, can be very powerful and, for many people, the experience is profound. As one commenter put it, “Speaking in tongues distracts the ego/analytical/conscious mind while leaving the subconscious (the heart) wide open to import the divine." Both the spiritual and physical benefits of using this tool are also well documented. Again though, it is important to note that this same statement can be made for virtually _any_ other culture that practices glossolalia. Religious and cultural differences aside, the glossolalia an Evenki Shaman in Siberia, a vodoun priestess in Togo and a Christian tongues-speaker in Alabama are producing are in no way different from each other. They’re all producing their glossolalia in the exact same way; they just have different explanations and beliefs as to why they’re doing it, and where it comes from. ‘Tongues’ (read, *‘languages’* ) - the divine gift, is the God given ability effortlessly learn to speak and be understood through real-language barriers. It is not xenoglossy, nor is it modern tongues-speech.
You know only natural knowledge none of what your saying is of God nor from God you’re trying to discount the spiritual natural man cannot know I declare no one will believe this nonsense
@@aprilgalvin1 It's not nonsense - Modern tongues-speech is what it is - non-cognitive non-language utterance. There's just no getting around that. I am not at all attempting to discount the spiritual; however, modern tongues-speech just isn't it. There is absolutely nothing a tongues-speaker is producing that cannot be explained in light of relatively simple linguistics. There are many things in religion that must be taken solely on faith; they can neither be proven, nor can they be disproven. 'Tongues', however, is not one of these things. It is something very tangible and concrete. Tongues can be, and have been, studied and analyzed. Not one has ever been found to be a real language, living or dead. Indeed tongues-speech is not language at all, It fails the most basic universal test of what defines 'language' itself. Absolutely nowhere in the Bible is modern tongues-speech evidenced or advocated.
Dear April, celebrate the commonality of all of us viewers and Renner Ministry consumers. Regrettably the critical tone of the comment you made causes the comment to itself lack sense. May the Lord God bless you and enlighten your eyes of understanding. Be like Jesus, gentle and humble in heart.
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Norma, thank you!
-- Team Renner
I am so happy and grateful to have encountered the Ministry of Rick Renner. I watch most of these you-tube videos on my mobile device and the "Comment" function doesn't operate. I keep on needing to remember to log my comment when I'm on a different device.
More: I recently got access to a previously-purchased High Performance teaching and the presenter mentioned Rick Renner's teaching on 2 Corinthians 10: verse 5, the short phrase "take captive" - - - that is what has gotten me totally hooked!
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Thank you for this teaching. I know for myself I’m asking for guidance about a couple of things and I really want to hear from the Lord to know what I should do.
What’s the difference between Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit?
I’m from Baltimore (Maryland). Thank you for your teachings.
Judy, thank you for your question! A member of our team would love to discuss this with you. Please email your question to social@renner.org so we can give it the care it deserves. We look forward to hearing from you!
-- Team Renner
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With respect to Mark 16:17 - when people went out to spread the message of Christianity, they encountered peoples, customs, and moreover languages they had hitherto not known even existed. Thus, they would need to speak with “new languages” - they would need to learn them in order to spread the message. The passage refers to nothing more than real, rational languages. If one were to hear someone say, “I’m going to start speaking a new language.” I don’t think anyone would assume it was anything else than a real, rational language.
The point is, that it’s a new language to the one(s) learning it, not to the people who already speak it. The entire passage is rather moot anyway since it is a later addition to the text (early 2nd century).
Pentecost has nothing to do with linguistic diversity; the Holy Spirit did not give the language; it gave the _manner_ in which it was spoken. The gift of languages was not needed at Pentecost. Long story for another day, but linguistic diversity was not part of the picture as many believe it to have been. The apostles were not speaking any language they didn't already know. In the entire narrative, not one language is ever referenced by name - ever really wonder why.
There is absolutely nothing mysterious about Biblical "tongues" - and there is only one type - when referring to something spoken, they are nothing more than real, rational language(s); usually, but not always, unknown to those listening to them, but always known by the speaker(s) - it’s their native language (in some cases, it is a language the speaker has learned).
In contrast, the “tongues” Pentecostal and Charismatic Christians are producing today is an entirely self-created phenomenon. It is non-cognitive non-language utterance; random free vocalization based upon a subset of the existing underlying sounds (called phonemes) of the speaker’s native language, and any other language(s) the speaker may be familiar with or have had contact with.
It is, in part, typically characterized by repetitive syllables, plays on sound patterns, alliteration, assonance, and over-simplification of syllable structure. It is also interesting to note that any disallowed sound combinations, i.e. consonant clusters, in the speaker’s native language are also disallowed in his/her tongues-speech. Further, this subset of phonemes typically contains only those sounds which are easiest to produce physiologically.
Occasionally some speakers will use two or more subsets of phonemes to generate glossolalia, producing what, to them, sounds like two (or more) distinct “tongues languages”, thus claiming to be able to speak in “divers tongues”.
There is absolutely _nothing_ that “tongues-speakers” are producing that cannot be explained in relatively simple linguistic terms.
Conversely, when it comes to something spoken, there are absolutely _no_ Biblical references to “tongues” that do not refer to, and cannot be explained in light of, real rational language(s), though it may not be the explanation you want to hear, and it may be one which is radically different from what you believe, or were taught. _Nowhere in the Bible is modern tongues-speech advocated or evidenced._
“Praying in the Spirit” does _not_ refer to the words one is saying. Rather, it refers to how one is praying. In the three places it is used (Corinthians, Ephesians, and Jude), there is absolutely zero reference to 'languages' in connection with this phrase. “Praying in the Spirit” should be understood as praying in the power of the Spirit, by the leading of the Spirit, and according to His will.
I'm not doubting or questioning the 'tongues experience'; glossolalia as the spiritual tool that it is, can be very powerful and, for many people, the experience is profound. As one commenter put it, “Speaking in tongues distracts the ego/analytical/conscious mind while leaving the subconscious (the heart) wide open to import the divine." Both the spiritual and physical benefits of using this tool are also well documented. Again though, it is important to note that this same statement can be made for virtually _any_ other culture that practices glossolalia. Religious and cultural differences aside, the glossolalia an Evenki Shaman in Siberia, a vodoun priestess in Togo and a Christian tongues-speaker in Alabama are producing are in no way different from each other. They’re all producing their glossolalia in the exact same way; they just have different explanations and beliefs as to why they’re doing it, and where it comes from.
‘Tongues’ (read, *‘languages’* ) - the divine gift, is the God given ability effortlessly learn to speak and be understood through real-language barriers. It is not xenoglossy, nor is it modern tongues-speech.
You know only natural knowledge none of what your saying is of God nor from God you’re trying to discount the spiritual natural man cannot know I declare no one will believe this nonsense
@@aprilgalvin1
It's not nonsense -
Modern tongues-speech is what it is - non-cognitive non-language utterance. There's just no getting around that.
I am not at all attempting to discount the spiritual; however, modern tongues-speech just isn't it. There is absolutely nothing a tongues-speaker is producing that cannot be explained in light of relatively simple linguistics.
There are many things in religion that must be taken solely on faith; they can neither be proven, nor can they be disproven. 'Tongues', however, is not one of these things. It is something very tangible and concrete. Tongues can be, and have been, studied and analyzed. Not one has ever been found to be a real language, living or dead. Indeed tongues-speech is not language at all, It fails the most basic universal test of what defines 'language' itself.
Absolutely nowhere in the Bible is modern tongues-speech evidenced or advocated.
Dear April, celebrate the commonality of all of us viewers and Renner Ministry consumers. Regrettably the critical tone of the comment you made causes the comment to itself lack sense. May the Lord God bless you and enlighten your eyes of understanding. Be like Jesus, gentle and humble in heart.