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Cant wait to see the rest of the competitors! Did you do a crossfire c3 12 by chance?
@@nickstalhood5380 are you psychic? Stay tuned my friend…
@@HifiVega I'll be watching for these vids!
Any chance on seeing the Hyanka 12 in this showdown too?!
Close comparison but I'd go with CT sounds. I like the stitched surround
Also I think the svr would have been a better comparison.
When I played with the SDR18's I was deciding between them and the Tropo 18's. Went with the Skars due to the 2yr warranty vs CT's 90 day warranty.
CT has a year warranty
I am usually a Skar fan, but I know the Tropo is more capable of higher SPL... I would choose the Tropo 👍😊
The Tropo definitely is better. I have some Tropo’s in my Jeep and Skar Svr in my truck and like CT sounds quality better.
@@jRomero713 different vehicles would sound different even if you had the same subs in both
@@jRomero713 which brand has cleaner and softer thumping bass? CT Sounds or DD Audio?
A suggestion - use a good USB mike and R.E.W. and run sine-sweeps on the subs in-car at different power levels until you hit over 10% THD in the passband. That should tell you very quickly which one is "better" :-). Even better if you have access to in-car DSP - you could use REW's "EQ" feature to generate the required settings to smooth out the subwoofer's response in-car, after which repeat the sine-sweep tests to see which subwoofer comes out on top.
From the video, it looked like the SDR 12 was capable of a bit more excursion, but I'm curious as to how they handle the higher end of the bass range.
Wow those are close! The SKAR's lower price makes it really difficult to choose the CT unless you're mounting the subs inverted...CT's done more butt exercises 😝
I was honestly a bit shocked how close they were, but the dual tinsel leads on the CT Sounds may make it more durable
The Skar is great for the money but in regards to build quality, it just don’t match up to what CT Sound has to offer in my opinion.
@@AshyLarryTM I agree Ashy. I will gladly pay more for better overall longevity/reliability.
I'm an ass man myself
I am bias, but the cost is why I chose the skar. Being able to get a sub in a high quality box for 150 bucks was a deal I could not resist. I am very happy with the sound. Surprised me that my corollas charging system could not keep up with the rp800.1 even though I have a capacitor. Doing big 4 and a deep cycle next week to see if that helps.
I did the same. Have a civic with a rzr 2500d. Got a big diehard AGM. Now I can blast it for over an hour ...ENGINE OFF-without going below 12.5v
I love value per dollar. Skar is hard to beat.The SDR loaded 12 box flexes my civics roof and my wipers jump a bit. I'm still going to build a custom 2.5ft box w 6" port though
As always I salute you for all your hard work. Video, audio, tutorial, demo, & editing take up valuable time 4$h😎
Skar makes it on the cheap " Lil Caesars "
CT Sounds makes it affordable " Domino's "
Obviously you'll make a video after the polls with votes & then give us your vote...🚙📻🔈🔉🔊🎼🎵🎶💨💨💨💨💨 =Bass in ya 😎 face !!!
reason for having too turn up the bass knob is that the tropo 12 is rated higher rms so needs more power too sound the same as the sdr but it will also take more beating than an sdr as well
It has to sound good and the quality of the tropo and the better sound quality . The tropo is the clear winner for me I have had the ability to hear both in same truck
CT Sounds has my vote!
I'm biased for sure. I'm running two of the Tropo 12's in @ 3.5 cu ft ported custom build. JP8 makes these things really come to life. So my vote is for the Tropo.
Changing the firing direction of the sub and distance from a surface to reflect off can manipulate the spl score.
The tropo seemed to be pretty even with the skar but considering the skar is cheaper and has a better warranty it's kind of hard to pick the tropo over it. I've owned both a skar ddr 10 and a vxf 12. Had the 10 for almost 2 years before I upgraded to the vxf 12 and I've had that for almost 2 years as well. You get a lot of boom for your buck and the speakers seem to be reliable. And seeing the looks on people's faces when they feel the bass for the first time never gets old lol
Don't get the Skar SDR I had 2 of them and both blew.
You do a blind test and play these subs back to back and switch them up, you'd never be able to select which is which on any consistent basis, the results would equal the same as guessing or coin flipping.
@@RyanBassForLife Try playing them at their RMS instead, amazing how most name brand subs will last that way, huh.
B52 12-220 cast frame in a 2.77 cuftbox with 2-3" ports lengths going into the enclosure tuned to 40hz-45hz this will hit insane db
Thankyou very much for continuing to uploading basshead videos like this .
I think a good addition would be to measure the dc resistance of each sub before you start.. and better yet watch the imp on a damore meter. also you could put a volt meter on the terminals and turn the voltage to the same reading and then look at spl results ..
Personally id say if you want the best out of these id say the tropo. Now if your looking for best bang for the buck then the Skar. Id pony up the extra cash for the tropo!
Haven't had my hands on the savard rap series but I'm rooting for it to win it all ..... just because I absolutely love my hi-qs!
T.R.O.P.O = Testing Robert On Power Output.
Great vid! 👍🏻
Heard some tropo 10s they knock , tropo for me.
Which brand has cleaner and softer thumping bass? CT Sounds or DD Audio?
Maybe sub comparison so be after some break in time. Like do 25 hz free air for 4hr straight low to mid power. Then test.
Good video!
Great idea.
Fwiw, the tropo 12 shines better in a smaller enclosure for sq. 1.5-1.75.
I just ordered the CT sounds ozone 12. I was looking at skar but the customer service in my opinion was very sub par. ct sounds did alot better in that department. I'm glad to see this video.
Ct sounds for me!
Thank u for the hard work. I can't run full size subs in my Tundra. RF T1S1-12 Vs DD SL600-12 or Jl 12Tw-3. I have a RF punch p1000x1b for power. I'm running Rf sd2 12's now but looking to upgrade.
I own CT sounds Mesho and theu are absolutely awesome as for skar I have had three subs and the surrounding ended up cracking all the way around. My brother in-law and a friend also had skar subs theirs only lasted a year and the surrounding done the same thing. Better surrounding quality they will be decent. Nice video man!
Nice I like the CT Sounds better. Next try the 12" Sound Town subwoofer.
I don't run Skar but they were on my list of possible buys. I've been impressed with these sub so much over the years I believe I made a mistake not getting zvx 15's. Skar for the win!
Skar svr 12 is $127 I’d definitely put it on the list
I’m running the CtSounds Ozone 12s I mean for what they are they’re good, but for the bang for the buck skar
CT SOUNDS for me. Price point is not always the best way to choose a product. I have had Skar products in the past and had Zero luck with them. I have been very happy with the CT SOUNDS products I own currently. So this was a clear choice.
Dude what💀 they’re basically near the same price… Just say you’re a Skar hater or just don’t buy cheap period bc ct sounds is also budget/cheap🥴soooo
@@daneirowashington7444 Well see here is the problem. If you buy a line of products and have zero luck with them then yeah, you're not going to like them. I like all car audio... cheap, expensive or otherwise. Am I Skar hater? Sure whatever...you ain't spending my money, so I don't care.
@@mullinperformanceaudio5902 Which brand has cleaner and softer thumping bass? CT Sounds or DD Audio?
I have two tropos on a Skar 800.1D white marine amp at 1 ohm at 14.4v bitches slap, that specific amp can hit 1200 watts dynamically at 1 ohm on 14.4 and the tropos eat every bit of it they are way under rated in watts rms IMO. Got the marine amp bc i live in oho and in the winter the amp builds condensation so having a waterproof amp was a good choice for me.
It doesn’t take much to get them bumping
Tropo all day. My tropo’s are getting low IMO my sdr which I bought first the coil is absolutely destroyed I’m talking Pieces of copper came out the venting
I run 6-12" sdr. Great sub. Over 5years
A good value for sure
I think the ct sounds can get it .it could be all about the box build.
I think for the money I would go woth the skar. I did go with the sdr 10 dvc2 ohm for that reason. I am thinking on building a 4thorder for it just to see how much I can get out of it with some better quality.
Good video rob..wonder how the sundown E series stacks up against em.
I like the sdr over the e. I have both.
Well I first ran the vxf 12 from Skar now I have the ct sounds meso 12 I just like the ct sounds better the bass is more solid and not as muddy
Not the biggest skar fan , but it won here against the CT tropo. Good video bro
I bought the SDR 12 in its factory ported enclosure and the RP800.1 still new on Craigslist for $100. I gave him to a friend in our community and I still have the sub box in my bedroom. I never played it and I probably never will but it looks nice. CT Sound on the other hand is a great audio company. For the money, their quality per dollar is hard to beat.
Sir, have you any experience with next gen Type S subs from Alpine? Not exactly budget, but they were available at the first stop, with no bass! I find them particularly tight and snappy. Quite musical, and of course reliable!
Need to put american bass in here the dx svc or xo dvc are cheaper subs to. And from experience the dx has way more motor force than the rockford r2 I have them to and the american bass dx are just as loud get lower and have a significantly stronger motor.
I had my 2 18" Skar SDR blow so I would go CT sound.
Should at least go over coil size and composition. As well as magnet size.
Between these 2 id go tropo.
I run 4 6 1/2 tropos on 1000rms. I think they're decent for the price.
My vote is for the tropo ...period!
I have both Ct sounds and Skar audio, and have used plenty of Skar subs in different builds, never had any issues with both, but would give the edge to Ct sounds, just bit more spl than Skar, and cleaner sounding, more musical
Which brand has cleaner and softer thumping bass? CT Sounds, DD Audio or JL Audio?
Not a fan of either sub but would pick the sdr.
Wouldn't the skar svr 12 be an even match with the tropo?? Price and build is practically the same. SDR and tropo seems even. But the price is why skar SDR wins.
Skar svr handle more power 800 watt I think ct only 650
So I take it the SVR is on another level? I ask because many reviewers are saying the SDR's actually sound better than the SVR.
I have two Skar VXF 12s running on an Orion HCCA 3000.1D splx at 1 ohm, the metal around the trunk latch has broken completely from constant pounding. Skars are stupid tough for the money. Not downing the CTs, just never used them myself
I have a vxf 12 paired with 2 American bass 10's (I know you're not supposed to mix and match but it works just fine for me) and now I need to use a credit to open my gas cap.
@@jamesquinn8958 🤣 if it works for you, drive on i say. I cant keep a latch jb welded for more than a week on the trunk. Thought about just putting zues fasteners in it. Have them on the front clip of the race car, im losing pressure the way it is
Great test!
Thanks
Tropo, I've always been able to find a coupon for CT. Currently at the time of this post, SOUNDMAN will get you 5% off but you can also get 11% off your first order through their site.
Pro tip!
Due to this video and me wanting something small in my trunk, I'll vote Skar. I'm late and just saw this now. I'm most likely going to get a Skar SVR 10 and with their box. With taxes I'll be under $200. My main concern is "weight". When I had my older car, the weight of the subwoofer box enclosure, by itself ruined my struts constantly.
Smaller subs in a smaller birch enclosure should help
@@HifiVega - *Skar SVR 10" - around $112 with 800 RMS and I was gonna use their box $68 = under $200*
Remember, you did a video on the model step down from this one, which is the SDR. Check this, the trans on my 07 Maxima is pretty much shot and I can't lie, I'm heartbroken. I still own it. But the replacement ride is a 16 Accord Touring "Coupe" and I can NOT change out the radio due to safety precautions within the car/radio. If the setup I'm getting is 50-60 lbs Max = Happy
@@HifiVega that autocorrect 😅😂😂
@@imfrom210texas 😂 fixed
Did the TROPO smell at all during testing? I bought a CT Sounds OZONE 12 powered by a CT Sounds 1000.1 amp. I noticed the smell right away. It had clean power. Gain, bass boost, LPF and FREQ all set properly. Everyone online and people in person told it's normal for a sub to smell at first. (I am NO EXPERT) and I haven't owned a brand new SUB straight outta the box in 20 years but I had never had one smell. Long story short...it seized up. Recently, like as in still waiting for it to be shipped, I bought 2 Tropo D4 subs in a box wired to 1ohm and a SALT 1K. After reading comments about single TROPO D4'S, folks are saying they smelled like burning coils and didn't hit for squat. Now I'm nervous. Luckily the subs will be here b4 the amp so I can hook them up to my CT Sounds 500.1 amp and break them in (if that exists). If they smell while being drastically underpowered, I'm sending them back.
You can get some coil smell if you drive the subs too hard too fast. I like to play them lightly for the first few days before I stomp on them, but from what you’ve told me there should have been no reason for them to seize up like they did.
With both having similar test results, and both budget subs, that $30 price difference is kinda a big deal. If these were $500 subs, $30 wouldn’t mean anything, but here that’s 1/3 the price of the skar.
When it comes to budgeting the skar is any day but if you want quality sound you gonna have to pay $$. I had the SDRs at one point they were okay but moved on since. Never owned a CT sub so I cant speak on it.
Did I miss the sub specs? It's certainly relevant.
I’m focusing on in vehicle performance in this series, but the relevant info is easily found on each respective website.
@@HifiVega I figured you would put it in the description.
CT sounds imo
Couple undisclosed bits of information. What are the vc sizes? What was the heat reading from the sub after spl test. Since the dB was so close, I would go with the sub with a lower temperature.
Both 2.5in coils didn’t get a chance to do temp readings, but imagine they were very close to the same as they have the same size coil and almost identical venting
I think if both where tested in the correct Box, I believe the CT SOUNDS would come out on top!
Ctsounds Tropo is better made and sounds better , the box specs are more for the sdr . You can use a code for a discount for the Ctsounds and the price will be about the same. And Tropos are double stitched and not glued like the sdrs. Ctsounds ftw
I wonder why the smaller box has a lower tuning frequency? 3:38 and 6:40
I wouldn’t buy skar because I had a ten to blow on me and I tried to get ahold of somebody called email you name it I tried had a buddy of mine that was a skar dealer he honored the warranty but he told me that’s it hard to get in touch with those guys when it comes to warranty so ct sounds is what I’m going with
I only one very fast clean bass... Which is suitable?
The high roll surrounf rubber from the ct is alot better
Let’s get it on!
Leeeet’s get ready to rummmmmbleeeee!
Whoever thinks the SDR won is insane lol. That tropo is way better! But then again I'm just so tired of Skars same ol line-up 🤷♂️ but I agree with the comment that the SVR would be a better comparison!
Can you include the BL on these woofers BROTHER
I'm kinda old school with some older Boston Acoustics G1's 12's but have been looking at buying newer subs that take a little more power. I recently bought a Skar 800 watt amplifier that I haven't installed yet what be a good fit. I would like to find something around 100-150 per Sub or maybe just run One for up to 250-300 that can run the 800 RMS. Thanks for any suggestions if given.
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I’m just looking to add some bass to my f150 that has a stock radio. Which sub would sound better between the skate and Ct sound?
Honestly, they’re very similar. The CT Sounds seemed to play a bit lower tho
What was your RMS power going to the subs?
Skar sdr ftw
Is there a reason that the test is conducted with the glass cracked. Vs When you are at a comp the glass us all the way up?
With the windows cracked you often get a bit more output vs completely sealed up
Rob i gotta say Skar all the way.
Did I miss the amp pushing them info ? What watts where these pushed at ?
A Soundqubed u-3000 at 4ohms (about 1000 watts)
I want a tight and fast sub, which is good with kick drum bass renditions?
Neither of these I would look at the RF/Kicker subs in this price range for that
Why use to the prime 12 instead of the P1 12 in the other video
I just wanted to try the prime series of subs because I haven’t yet gotten a chance to.
Ct sounds Tropo👍 I had the sdr and didn't like it much
I’d still rather have a Rockville k6
Im just here to see if CT Sounds is good. I had Skars and they suck. Bought 2 subs and they blew the same day.
B52!
How did you choose which sub goes in which bracket?
Trying to get a few brands I haven’t done videos with along with a few I have
Skar 👊
What happened to the OG segment at the end?
I mix it up to keep y’all on your toes 😉
I got 2 tropos and it was louder than I really thought it would be
Which brand has cleaner and softer thumping bass? CT Sounds or DD Audio?
@@markfrederick5012 DD is better to me but CT was the only subwoofer i could fit in such a small space without being a shallow subwoofer. The ct did surprise me though. But your enclosure has a lot to do with it as well
@@Pgh2Dall thanks for replying, now i know which subwoofer to buy before christmas 🤶
@@markfrederick5012 What is your budget? There are many out there to chose from that are just as good or better.
@@Pgh2Dall my budget is only 200 dollars 😅 which brand has cleaner bass, DD Audio or JL Audio?
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I hope all of you realize, how much of a gap 30 dollars per 12 is @ this price range!? Thats 33% more, @ this low budget tier that is huge! If the tropo didnt have better tinsel leads, better looks, more reliability, and way better performance, it would not be worth it. It was not louder, and it sounded similar in hi fi vega's opinion, so as far as Elite 8 BUDGET 12 inch subwoofers, it's a no brainer, better budget 12 in THIS battle has to be Skar. And to the people who said, "They would pony up, and get the tropo" Why would'nt you pony up and get a $1,000.00 dollar 12? Why, because THIS is a BUDGET showdown. We all have our own brands, and criteria that will effect our own choice as to WHY we want something. But if we look @ this showdown for what it is, BUDGET, then we can more clearly decide. The bottom line is, no one can make you buy something you don't want, it's your choice. If YOU decide you want something that Looks great, and performs badly, (not saying any of these do) then who's to say you can't spend your own money on it? This is a budget/bang for the buck shoot out, testing SPL=Data/actual results, and sound quality=one trusted person's opinion of the sound quality, vs $ spent! By the way, i have never owned either brands, and i am unbiased in that way.
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Tropo
CT & Savard should go head to head
It will be 😉
@@HifiVega Hell yeah!
@@HifiVega Another sub you could include in this challenge is the Earthquake Sound Tremor series.
Ummmmm.... You need an American Bass xd on there. Also, Skar svr would have been a fair comparison with the tropo
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Tropo that’s easy.
The skar svr is a better comparison