A device on short fast can only hear and forward messages on short fast and vice versa for long fast. So clients on short fast and routers on long fast doesn’t work.
The hands free is no problem however, in California On a multilane road, the passing lane (far left lane) is the lane closest to the center divider and is used to pass other vehicles. Josh was doing a great job of imitating a J.B.Hunt driver “Holding Up Normal Traffic” 😂😂
It would be so cool if a radio manufacturer brought out a device that combined the functions of Motorola's DTR radios with FHSS on the ISM band, plus Meshtastic support. It would be a killer combo to support encrypted voice and messages.
0:26 you can say “clickbait”. 😅 That’s all it is. Part and parcel of Data Slayer being a slick presenter/marketer. His content is still interesting, even after the grains of salt 🧂 for hyperbole.
I love Meshtastic, especially here in SoCal where we have a robust mesh. That said, it's not that good at broad comms. If you need to talk to a wide group of people that aren't all in the same place, Meshtastic isn't gonna work so well. At least not in its current state. It's perfect for off-grid comms between you and a few friends at a camp site. Or maybe in a SHTF scenario, you and your family can all stay in touch around the neighborhood. But if anyone thinks it's going to replace a cell phone, they crazy. lol
People diss Meshtastic a lot, but it has some pretty cool advantages such as low cost, decentralized network, encrypted message, and low power usage (even a small solar panel can run a node). At some point someone will probably use it for bad things, and then it will become mainstream and regulated, but right now it's really fun to tinker with. Some companies are starting to get more involved in ready to go units, but unfortunately the prices are really starting to creep up to where it doesn't really make sense anymore. Building one yourself is still the cheapest way.
Glad to see this content out there. The meshtastic click bait videos and sellers have gotten out of hand. Seems every day a new "company" is selling a new radio in a different 3d printed case. This video is a super fair take on LoRa at large.
Cuddelink must be using sstv for image transmission then. About to put up a meshtastic network and I hope it doesn’t interfere with with my cuddelink network. Both are on 915mhz.
How well would Meshtastic work in a heavily forested and hilly area? Would a group of 8 to 10 people be able to affectively communicate using text messaging if they were all within a two mile radius of a central location?
you mention about higher devices being on longfast and the lower to the ground ones on shortfast.. fairly sure they have to be on the same modem setting (longfast) to communicate.. would be cool if they changed that though
Correct. That was not my intention. The goal is to pick the mode that correct for your node enrollment in an area. Many nodes close in should be short fast for example.
I'm interested in it as an alternative to HAM/early internet/geocaching , but i'm waiting for a more touristy option since I don't have the bandwidth to go full in on a new hobby
The worst thing about meshtastic is that it's a fiddly land of tinkering. This is the difference between a solid commercial/consumer grade wireless telecom solution, and a janky bit of fun. Even getting meshtastic up as an OFF GRID TEXT MESSAGING system, it's not the most reliable, and not the most easy to do thing. I think I'd rather carry VHF HTs and use those for line of sight comms in any emergency. Either simplex or with repeaters, VHF/UHF HTs are simpler, and work better.
unless you live in an area that's perfectly flat, and close together, Meshtastic is basically useless. i see so many videos of people trying to push it, but if you live in a rural area, and are trying to make a network to town or something, forget it. im sure there are uses for it, but i'd imagine for most people, a simple ham, gmrs or even CB setup will be way easier and much more useful. no need for 100 tiny little solar powered repeaters.
Good thing bill collectors can't get a ahold of me unless they are licensed radio operators if pushed came to shove ill leave my phone at home and i wont get annoyed with those phone calls
I pick up exactly ZERO other mestastic users in my mid sized city in the center of the US, even when leaving my node in the attic. So its pretty useless to me. I think it works better in someplace like the UK that has more users on a small island.
I had a similar experience with a unit using an internal antenna, while the same model with an external antenna was hitting 70 nodes. Once I updated the firmware, both were reading only each other and occasionally one other node which I have not solved yet- just putting out there that it's still in beta and may need some tweaking and experimenting. Frustrating at times, but worth the effort and knowledge gain!
Meshtastic fills a niche and can fill certain use-cases even without a network. When my wife and I travel abroad, she typically doesn’t have cell service, so we can text over short distances via Meshtastic if we get separated or I want to go check out what’s around the corner. I would not be able to convince her to carry and use a radio.
I live in New Zealand and occasionally check meshtastic maps. There are all of 38 nodes in Auckland and 32 in Christchurch, and 23 in Wellington. Three of the largest cities here. Looking at them most are near sea level, add in the mountains and hills that are all over the place, and it's pretty useless here. I think the service is extremely overhyped by people that think it will be some miracle device when in reality, physics gets in the way.
I’m in a city of 200k north central US. It was the same for me nine months ago. Now there are a dozen nodes 3 hops away. The other side of town has ten more nodes.
For limited investment and small footprint and form factor, it has use case. When an area is limited with nodes , the value of being an origin node and starting the trend is worthy regardless .
If you read the comments on his videos its mostly people that are clueless about any type of technology. A small social experiment: Open YT without login in to a YT account. Your whole screen is going to be loaded with clickbait title videos that have milions of views about some stupid shit not even related to the clickbait itself. Its the Matrix, some people know how to play the game.
The 'misconceptions' are coming from TH-camrs who keep spreading lies and myths about the capabilities of meshtastic while pushing the EmComm angle with every second breath.
I love your ham videos and have learned so much from you but this LoRa video is full or errors. Your rooftop "repeater" should be in Client mode and your "personal communicator" should be in Client Mute mode. Clients use "smart flood routing", while Repeaters and Routers use dumb flood routing which can harm the network performance in most cases. Router is inappropriate for 99% of nodes. Only radios on the same mode and frequency slot can communicate and mesh. You cannot mix nodes even if you manually set them to the same frequency. It will not work at all.
@@HamRadioCrashCourse It sounded like you were referring to clients as routers and client mute nodes as clients. Might be confusing to the totally new folks.
Yep, well said. I've seen those thumbnails also, "flirting with clickbait" lol
lol yes!
A device on short fast can only hear and forward messages on short fast and vice versa for long fast. So clients on short fast and routers on long fast doesn’t work.
You're doing a lot of hand talking at that freeway speed :D
The truck is driving hands free.
FYI he explained that on screen 5 seconds into the video as well - 0:05
The hands free is no problem however, in California On a multilane road, the passing lane (far left lane) is the lane closest to the center divider and is used to pass other vehicles. Josh was doing a great job of imitating a J.B.Hunt driver “Holding Up Normal Traffic” 😂😂
Blue Cruise
@@HamRadioCrashCourse, Is traffic always that slow?
Might replace your pager...
Agreed it is intended for off grid, mostly for the sensor relay aspect.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the color cordianted glasses and sport bottle. :P
Just started looking into meshtastic and here's a new video! Thanks Josh!
Where did you get that very cool speaker attached to your headrest? I want one!
I second that! I was just looking at DIYing something similar, but that looks clean!
I'm curious as well
It would be so cool if a radio manufacturer brought out a device that combined the functions of Motorola's DTR radios with FHSS on the ISM band, plus Meshtastic support. It would be a killer combo to support encrypted voice and messages.
I'm glad you pointed this out
0:26 you can say “clickbait”. 😅 That’s all it is. Part and parcel of Data Slayer being a slick presenter/marketer. His content is still interesting, even after the grains of salt 🧂 for hyperbole.
a good communication system requires multiple different systems to prevent overload and it allows for different priority levels
Excellent description as always!
I love Meshtastic, especially here in SoCal where we have a robust mesh. That said, it's not that good at broad comms. If you need to talk to a wide group of people that aren't all in the same place, Meshtastic isn't gonna work so well. At least not in its current state. It's perfect for off-grid comms between you and a few friends at a camp site. Or maybe in a SHTF scenario, you and your family can all stay in touch around the neighborhood. But if anyone thinks it's going to replace a cell phone, they crazy. lol
i could see that being useful at a campsite, and just setting up a small node, but some frs radios would be way cheaper and easier.
People diss Meshtastic a lot, but it has some pretty cool advantages such as low cost, decentralized network, encrypted message, and low power usage (even a small solar panel can run a node). At some point someone will probably use it for bad things, and then it will become mainstream and regulated, but right now it's really fun to tinker with. Some companies are starting to get more involved in ready to go units, but unfortunately the prices are really starting to creep up to where it doesn't really make sense anymore. Building one yourself is still the cheapest way.
Glad to see this content out there. The meshtastic click bait videos and sellers have gotten out of hand. Seems every day a new "company" is selling a new radio in a different 3d printed case. This video is a super fair take on LoRa at large.
hey I just got a 3d printer, buy my super awesome plastic case for $29.99? It'll change your LIFE!
So will a long fast talk to a short fast? I was understanding they all needed to be the same?
I like the external speaker mount off the head rest. How did you rig that up?
Id like to know as well I want to get one
Cuddelink must be using sstv for image transmission then. About to put up a meshtastic network and I hope it doesn’t interfere with with my cuddelink network. Both are on 915mhz.
Is meshtastic like APRS lite?
Yeah. License free lite APRS.
How well would Meshtastic work in a heavily forested and hilly area? Would a group of 8 to 10 people be able to affectively communicate using text messaging if they were all within a two mile radius of a central location?
you mention about higher devices being on longfast and the lower to the ground ones on shortfast.. fairly sure they have to be on the same modem setting (longfast) to communicate.. would be cool if they changed that though
Correct. That was not my intention. The goal is to pick the mode that correct for your node enrollment in an area. Many nodes close in should be short fast for example.
Whats the speaker thingy next to your head?
MFJ Speaker
I’ve had a couple nodes that I’ve driven around with and have setup at home for a long period of time with basically no contacts that were organic.
Just clicked on this to say
*I THREW IT ON THE GROUND!*
You got it!
I'm interested in it as an alternative to HAM/early internet/geocaching , but i'm waiting for a more touristy option since I don't have the bandwidth to go full in on a new hobby
I laughed when I saw that video in my recommended and mentally cast it off as standard TH-cam engagement practices.
Do you have a video or information out there about your mobile speaker mounting solution over your right shoulder?
What’s that speaker mount you have on the head rest?
The worst thing about meshtastic is that it's a fiddly land of tinkering. This is the difference between a solid commercial/consumer grade wireless telecom solution, and a janky bit of fun. Even getting meshtastic up as an OFF GRID TEXT MESSAGING system, it's not the most reliable, and not the most easy to do thing. I think I'd rather carry VHF HTs and use those for line of sight comms in any emergency. Either simplex or with repeaters, VHF/UHF HTs are simpler, and work better.
Someone finally said it. Thank you.
Interesting thoughts and overview, God bless.
“I threw it on the grounddddddd!” 🤣🤣🤣
unless you live in an area that's perfectly flat, and close together, Meshtastic is basically useless. i see so many videos of people trying to push it, but if you live in a rural area, and are trying to make a network to town or something, forget it. im sure there are uses for it, but i'd imagine for most people, a simple ham, gmrs or even CB setup will be way easier and much more useful. no need for 100 tiny little solar powered repeaters.
Good thing bill collectors can't get a ahold of me unless they are licensed radio operators if pushed came to shove ill leave my phone at home and i wont get annoyed with those phone calls
I pick up exactly ZERO other mestastic users in my mid sized city in the center of the US, even when leaving my node in the attic. So its pretty useless to me. I think it works better in someplace like the UK that has more users on a small island.
I had a similar experience with a unit using an internal antenna, while the same model with an external antenna was hitting 70 nodes. Once I updated the firmware, both were reading only each other and occasionally one other node which I have not solved yet- just putting out there that it's still in beta and may need some tweaking and experimenting. Frustrating at times, but worth the effort and knowledge gain!
Meshtastic fills a niche and can fill certain use-cases even without a network. When my wife and I travel abroad, she typically doesn’t have cell service, so we can text over short distances via Meshtastic if we get separated or I want to go check out what’s around the corner. I would not be able to convince her to carry and use a radio.
I live in New Zealand and occasionally check meshtastic maps. There are all of 38 nodes in Auckland and 32 in Christchurch, and 23 in Wellington. Three of the largest cities here. Looking at them most are near sea level, add in the mountains and hills that are all over the place, and it's pretty useless here. I think the service is extremely overhyped by people that think it will be some miracle device when in reality, physics gets in the way.
I’m in a city of 200k north central US. It was the same for me nine months ago. Now there are a dozen nodes 3 hops away. The other side of town has ten more nodes.
For limited investment and small footprint and form factor, it has use case.
When an area is limited with nodes , the value of being an origin node and starting the trend is worthy regardless .
Both hands off the wheel. Niiice!
Auto drive.
If you read the comments on his videos its mostly people that are clueless about any type of technology. A small social experiment: Open YT without login in to a YT account. Your whole screen is going to be loaded with clickbait title videos that have milions of views about some stupid shit not even related to the clickbait itself. Its the Matrix, some people know how to play the game.
My dad’s not a cell phone!
The 'misconceptions' are coming from TH-camrs who keep spreading lies and myths about the capabilities of meshtastic while pushing the EmComm angle with every second breath.
Bro. Be safe with these mobile videos
I get that he's just in a right hand drive but it generally nerve-wracking to see some apparently be very distracted when driving
The truck is in auto drive.
I love your ham videos and have learned so much from you but this LoRa video is full or errors. Your rooftop "repeater" should be in Client mode and your "personal communicator" should be in Client Mute mode. Clients use "smart flood routing", while Repeaters and Routers use dumb flood routing which can harm the network performance in most cases. Router is inappropriate for 99% of nodes.
Only radios on the same mode and frequency slot can communicate and mesh. You cannot mix nodes even if you manually set them to the same frequency. It will not work at all.
That’s exactly what I said. Your personal node should be on client mute and the roof top units should just pass all data.
Also, I didn’t advocate mixing modes. I said you should pick one based on the modes in your area.
@@HamRadioCrashCourse OK, It really sounded like you were proposing mixing modes from, 9:30-10:30.
@@HamRadioCrashCourse It sounded like you were referring to clients as routers and client mute nodes as clients. Might be confusing to the totally new folks.
It’s not meant to…
Way to read the title and go straight to the comments, lol
Thank you so much for this helpful explanation! ~ 73 ~ AC7WH