I'm just 29 but i remember in my childhood being busy changing psu and old ata drives, trying to run windows 7 on an old pentium II 😅 thank you, great content!
Greetings. I have an old desktop, it's an HP 775 socket with a Pentium 4 installed and 4GB of DDR 2 RAM. I've tested several versions of 64-bit Linux, however, some don't work on this type of old processor. Fortunately, I came across the Q4OS Trinity Desktop system. It is very similar to the old Windows XP. It is a fast, secure and stable operating system.
I have a soft spot for this kind of thing. I found my first PC case, a crazy red and black 2000's thing with an acrylic snake design. And I did a full rebuild but with a Pentium D, instead of the Athlon 64. Kind of an Alternate history of what I made on my first ever PC in 2004. It all just lined up with scrap yard parts from ewaste I found at work, stuff from projects, other jobs, upgrade trickledown etc. But yeah 3.2 ghz Pentium D. 4gb DDR2 667mhz OEM gigabyte mobo I recapped from a Compaq. 7900 GTX 512mb from Dell new old stock, for dirt cheap. All new noctua fans and new red LEDs and new PSU to help make up for how awful the cooling of that case was but keep up with the cringe 2004-2005 asthetic I had. Running Windows XP SP4. Mainly use it for old Star Wars games and occasionally interfacing with really old hardware that needs serial or IDE. Its kind of a shame. Because I tried several times with Pentium 4 builds I really wanted a working socket 478, even tried a later Cedar Mill Pentium 4 LGA 775. Always die. Gave up on my AGP card I had.
And my go-to Linux on my old Dell E7440 laptop is PopOS not really a retro device, I find it easy and intuitive to install with a built in simple encryption system at install if needed. Though I have run Mint in the past and remember lots of green 🙃
I still have my PIII machine paired with Win98SE and WInXP SP3 (Dual Boot) for playing some old games. Some capacitors over time was bloated but nothing to worry i just changed them and now this PC is 25yrs old (Bought it in 1999). It was only a low-to-mid range PIII but does the job i want. (PIII-450, 128MB RAM, 6.4GB HDD EIDE 166, TNT2 M64 PCI 32MB(It had no AGP or PCIe slots) and a SB512PCI that i salvaged it from my first P75
Very cool vid. This would be a great machine for Dos Box and some old school gaming. I recently helped my buddy build something similar but we used a industrial flash card instead of a hard drive. So much faster then the HDD
Once I get the recap done to both boards I'll venture down that path. For systems I intend on using regularly I buy a name brand 120GB SSD on Amazon for like $10-$20 and add on the Startech SATA to PATA adapter. If I also wanna keep aesthetics I toss the SSD into a 2.5-3.5 adapter.
Your Pentium 4 PC., case appears to be in fine condition. My Pentium 4 PC., had 4 gig of ram., installed and a hyper threaded processor and it could handle a 64 bit system and I had the first version of Windows 10 installed on it, there was a 7200 rpm., hard drive installed and Windows 10 was usable but it was a bit laggy, so I installed Linux Mint Mate and the performance of the PC., improved, that computer died a few years ago though. The only 32 bit computers which I currently have are two Dell Inspiron laptops, the 9300 and the 9400 both of which now have LMDE 6 installed and they work well enough, YT., tube videos do play but only at low settings.
The original board was LGA478 and running a 1.6GHz P4. The working one was an LGA775 with a 3.2GHz. Unfortunately in this case both 32bit, I looked into getting a 64Bit P4 and someone told the eBay seller's they're worth more by multiples of 10. Might get one if I see one cheap enough but can't justify getting a single CPU for the price of a whole system.
@@2xtreem4uat that time I had switched to AMD and had the equivalent 64 bit CPU. I remember XP had 64 bit support but it wasn’t great with driver support at the time.
I am just in "retro" projects. The machine I have is "Cyrix 300mhz" a 233MHz "pentium pro" CPU with 256 MB memory. The only linux distro that actually works somehow well is ubuntu 6.06, which can be somehow upgraded (mind the old-releases issues) to 8.04, but the main limit for usage is ram, since ubuntu + gnome requires 384MB and recommends 512 MB of memory. I was also able to install some old debian Sarge or Etch systems, but it has even more issues with grub 1 or grub 2 (+BIOS), also installing GUI was not simple. Super GRUB CD helps. So the main issues with such systems is bios compatibility and limitation of RAM. Note that SWAP will not help, since the IDE is 133Mbps and my benchmark on sata ssd via IDE-sata adapter was max 15MB/s reading, while that SSD can read ~500MB/s on modern system. The Windows 98 and even Windows XP works really well on the same system.
I noticed on the PIII system it used the USB as swap so if I were to install a USB 2.0 card it may have helped. I didn’t try the FireWire 400 as swap but that may have been better.
My system has "usb header" and it works, but i had to create connector, since the pin header pin order is not "standard". it is also terrably slow - probably usb 1.1 - 1.5Mbps
32-bit and 64-bit do not mix well. Basic mint has nearly dropped 32-bit support, you may get stutter and blinking, lost frames etc. if you try. but some distributions do support that.
That's a mid tower version, i prefer the full size one. I think you could cut a the i/o out and place a i/o shield for the motherboard. But there good linux distros that are much lighter for it like antix linux.
The only point I can see to these types of videos is as proof of concept of how compatible linux is with older hardware, basically if it'll run on cheap/ancient computers it'll run on almost anything. However other than that I've yet to see anybody having a /practical/ use to these ancient/low-end pcs with linux that they'd use regularly. They just don't have the horsepower to be... pleasant to use now-a-days unless you have an /extremely/ niche case where you need almost no processing power/RAM, and don't mind running a computer that's comparatively speaking a gas-guzzler for watts vs computing power. Don't get me wrong I wish there was as I have several outdated and low-spec computers that I'd like to find a use for, but I'm too practical to just run them just for the sake of running them.
I have an older thin client and older touch screen running basically just a web browser in Linux to view my Unifi cams. Not as old as this of course but a use of basically e-waste hardware for a single purpose.
it's sad there aren't modern operating systems for old machines no more. Nobody who does the same things that uses to do in 2000 should need a 2024's PC
The room had a faint electronics smell while it was on, it was the first time I had it on for more than a few seconds since I got it a few months back. Will be something to troubleshoot down the line sometime.
Have had better luck with Lubuntu on another machine of that era, a trash bin-rescued Athlon I, although I've had to roll back versions and re-install to 14.04. The good part is the repos still work (!), and are still pushing software updates. Just need to be mindful NOT to accept a version Upgrade after finding the most recent one that works.
Ive probably got a dozen of the old p4 setups laying around even socket 478.... I use mint for my media machine as its got an older quad core amd which windows is putting an end to the competition by making their system only work on their own stuff. If mint would run everything without whine I would have already made the change....
Once I get the caps replaced I’ll try it. No TIPM2 module so 11 wouldn’t work without hacks. Not even sure if they ever made it on 32 bit honestly. I know 10 still supported 32 bit.
I have desktop pc which is still run fine with win 7, its Pentium 4 g620 with 2 gb ram and 2.60 ghz, i know if i upgrade ram to 8 gb and i3 or i5 with similar LGA1155 socket it will improve my pc but those things are quite costly in my country wise currency rate so but this pc run well, it boot fast enough take 20 seconds to boot, i just watch movies and few games nothing else 😂😂😂😂😂
Well, we all are going to want to get to know linux mint. As windows is taking over everything and you will not have ownership of your copy. They got in trouble in the past for a monopoly so when is it going to happen again? They need to be taken down a notch.
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I'm just 29 but i remember in my childhood being busy changing psu and old ata drives, trying to run windows 7 on an old pentium II 😅 thank you, great content!
Greetings. I have an old desktop, it's an HP 775 socket with a Pentium 4 installed and 4GB of DDR 2 RAM. I've tested several versions of 64-bit Linux, however, some don't work on this type of old processor. Fortunately, I came across the Q4OS Trinity Desktop system. It is very similar to the old Windows XP. It is a fast, secure and stable operating system.
I’ll have to give that a look, thanks!
I was using a p4 rig until 2012 when I got a t410
t410 as in dell poweredge t410?
I have a soft spot for this kind of thing. I found my first PC case, a crazy red and black 2000's thing with an acrylic snake design. And I did a full rebuild but with a Pentium D, instead of the Athlon 64. Kind of an Alternate history of what I made on my first ever PC in 2004. It all just lined up with scrap yard parts from ewaste I found at work, stuff from projects, other jobs, upgrade trickledown etc. But yeah 3.2 ghz Pentium D. 4gb DDR2 667mhz OEM gigabyte mobo I recapped from a Compaq. 7900 GTX 512mb from Dell new old stock, for dirt cheap. All new noctua fans and new red LEDs and new PSU to help make up for how awful the cooling of that case was but keep up with the cringe 2004-2005 asthetic I had. Running Windows XP SP4. Mainly use it for old Star Wars games and occasionally interfacing with really old hardware that needs serial or IDE.
Its kind of a shame. Because I tried several times with Pentium 4 builds I really wanted a working socket 478, even tried a later Cedar Mill Pentium 4 LGA 775. Always die. Gave up on my AGP card I had.
And my go-to Linux on my old Dell E7440 laptop is PopOS not really a retro device, I find it easy and intuitive to install with a built in simple encryption system at install if needed. Though I have run Mint in the past and remember lots of green 🙃
I still have my PIII machine paired with Win98SE and WInXP SP3 (Dual Boot) for playing some old games. Some capacitors over time was bloated but nothing to worry i just changed them and now this PC is 25yrs old (Bought it in 1999). It was only a low-to-mid range PIII but does the job i want. (PIII-450, 128MB RAM, 6.4GB HDD EIDE 166, TNT2 M64 PCI 32MB(It had no AGP or PCIe slots) and a SB512PCI that i salvaged it from my first P75
That’s a nice setup to hold onto for all these years!
Very cool vid. This would be a great machine for Dos Box and some old school gaming. I recently helped my buddy build something similar but we used a industrial flash card instead of a hard drive. So much faster then the HDD
Once I get the recap done to both boards I'll venture down that path. For systems I intend on using regularly I buy a name brand 120GB SSD on Amazon for like $10-$20 and add on the Startech SATA to PATA adapter. If I also wanna keep aesthetics I toss the SSD into a 2.5-3.5 adapter.
@@IkesVintageTech awesome. You got my sub to see how this moves forward. Keep up the good work man 👍
Your Pentium 4 PC., case appears to be in fine condition.
My Pentium 4 PC., had 4 gig of ram., installed and a hyper threaded processor and it could handle a 64 bit system and I had the first version of Windows 10 installed on it, there was a 7200 rpm., hard drive installed and Windows 10 was usable but it was a bit laggy, so I installed Linux Mint Mate and the performance of the PC., improved, that computer died a few years ago though.
The only 32 bit computers which I currently have are two Dell Inspiron laptops, the 9300 and the 9400 both of which now have LMDE 6 installed and they work well enough, YT., tube videos do play but only at low settings.
The original board was LGA478 and running a 1.6GHz P4. The working one was an LGA775 with a 3.2GHz. Unfortunately in this case both 32bit, I looked into getting a 64Bit P4 and someone told the eBay seller's they're worth more by multiples of 10. Might get one if I see one cheap enough but can't justify getting a single CPU for the price of a whole system.
@@IkesVintageTech A suitable processor may turn up, the CPU., which was in my P4 PC was 2.7 or 8 GHz..
@@IkesVintageTechi own a 64 bit pentium 4 cpu
@@2xtreem4uat that time I had switched to AMD and had the equivalent 64 bit CPU. I remember XP had 64 bit support but it wasn’t great with driver support at the time.
@@IkesVintageTech i started experimenting with 64bit linux when i got the 64bit pentium 4 pc
😃 its all about the Pentiums
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I am just in "retro" projects. The machine I have is "Cyrix 300mhz" a 233MHz "pentium pro" CPU with 256 MB memory. The only linux distro that actually works somehow well is ubuntu 6.06, which can be somehow upgraded (mind the old-releases issues) to 8.04, but the main limit for usage is ram, since ubuntu + gnome requires 384MB and recommends 512 MB of memory. I was also able to install some old debian Sarge or Etch systems, but it has even more issues with grub 1 or grub 2 (+BIOS), also installing GUI was not simple. Super GRUB CD helps.
So the main issues with such systems is bios compatibility and limitation of RAM. Note that SWAP will not help, since the IDE is 133Mbps and my benchmark on sata ssd via IDE-sata adapter was max 15MB/s reading, while that SSD can read ~500MB/s on modern system.
The Windows 98 and even Windows XP works really well on the same system.
I noticed on the PIII system it used the USB as swap so if I were to install a USB 2.0 card it may have helped. I didn’t try the FireWire 400 as swap but that may have been better.
My system has "usb header" and it works, but i had to create connector, since the pin header pin order is not "standard". it is also terrably slow - probably usb 1.1 - 1.5Mbps
32-bit and 64-bit do not mix well. Basic mint has nearly dropped 32-bit support, you may get stutter and blinking, lost frames etc. if you try. but some distributions do support that.
Plan on trying again with a 64bit P4 when I get one.
That's a mid tower version, i prefer the full size one. I think you could cut a the i/o out and place a i/o shield for the motherboard. But there good linux distros that are much lighter for it like antix linux.
you are good
Thanks!
The only point I can see to these types of videos is as proof of concept of how compatible linux is with older hardware, basically if it'll run on cheap/ancient computers it'll run on almost anything. However other than that I've yet to see anybody having a /practical/ use to these ancient/low-end pcs with linux that they'd use regularly. They just don't have the horsepower to be... pleasant to use now-a-days unless you have an /extremely/ niche case where you need almost no processing power/RAM, and don't mind running a computer that's comparatively speaking a gas-guzzler for watts vs computing power. Don't get me wrong I wish there was as I have several outdated and low-spec computers that I'd like to find a use for, but I'm too practical to just run them just for the sake of running them.
I have an older thin client and older touch screen running basically just a web browser in Linux to view my Unifi cams. Not as old as this of course but a use of basically e-waste hardware for a single purpose.
it's sad there aren't modern operating systems for old machines no more.
Nobody who does the same things that uses to do in 2000 should need a 2024's PC
Oh I feel you with the dead machine there, had one explode on me the other day.
The room had a faint electronics smell while it was on, it was the first time I had it on for more than a few seconds since I got it a few months back. Will be something to troubleshoot down the line sometime.
Have had better luck with Lubuntu on another machine of that era, a trash bin-rescued Athlon I, although I've had to roll back versions and re-install to 14.04. The good part is the repos still work (!), and are still pushing software updates. Just need to be mindful NOT to accept a version Upgrade after finding the most recent one that works.
Love hearing that, find what works and keep it working!
How much RAM was installed in the Pentium 4?
2GB 4x512, I think the max would be 4GB if I had 1GB sticks
Ive probably got a dozen of the old p4 setups laying around even socket 478.... I use mint for my media machine as its got an older quad core amd which windows is putting an end to the competition by making their system only work on their own stuff. If mint would run everything without whine I would have already made the change....
You can use a 64 Bit p4 (This cpu ist able to run windows 10/11) I think with 4 GB ram, a ok GPU and ssd are absolute usable.
Once I get the caps replaced I’ll try it. No TIPM2 module so 11 wouldn’t work without hacks. Not even sure if they ever made it on 32 bit honestly. I know 10 still supported 32 bit.
@@IkesVintageTech You Need Rufus,A 64 Bit P4, 4 GB Ram and a SSD. Wat have you for A socet ? 775 ?
I have desktop pc which is still run fine with win 7, its Pentium 4 g620 with 2 gb ram and 2.60 ghz, i know if i upgrade ram to 8 gb and i3 or i5 with similar LGA1155 socket it will improve my pc but those things are quite costly in my country wise currency rate so but this pc run well, it boot fast enough take 20 seconds to boot, i just watch movies and few games nothing else 😂😂😂😂😂
That’s great to hear, make it last as long as possible. Look into Linux if you wanna see if it’ll speed up a bit!
Linux does revive a bunch of old computers but to be hones an arch based distro would run a bit better
Yeah, that’s something I’ll check out as well. Wanted to show Mint specifically since it’s more of a stretch.
Put pyppy linux on it. Linux mint is too heavy for that machine.
might be a good follow up, even the working board needs some recapping before I keep using it.
Would love to see a video of you using a lightweight linux distro or maybe freebsd on the machine.
I've got 3 P4 boards and 2 of them are dead like yours. Unreliable, especially when I have 30+ year old machines that still run fine.
Even the “good” board had a few caps that looked puffy. My oldest machines have lasted 2x as long before needing a recap.
Well, we all are going to want to get to know linux mint. As windows is taking over everything and you will not have ownership of your copy. They got in trouble in the past for a monopoly so when is it going to happen again? They need to be taken down a notch.
They really are choosing an odd time to flex when there's so many more viable options
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I know, I caught myself in editing lol. I know better but it’s how I say it in my head lol
@@IkesVintageTech lol, it doesnt matter, i just thought it was funny