This is one of my all-time favorite gearhead series on TH-cam. The gloriously impractical nature of it all, done purely for the joy of discovery is mesmerizing!
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So with methanol, it's got a couple of things going for it; 1.) it's an alcohol so its a fuel. As for tuning, you need to take out fuel because you're adding fuel with the methanol. 2.) It lowers intake air temperature by evaporating which allows you to increase timing since it's combatting detonation/preignition with the lower temperatures. Additional timing allows for an increase in power. THe only issue with vaporization is that it take linear distance for the vaporization to occur which equals the cooling effect. A lot of methanol induction kits include a spacer plate with a nozzle to inject meth at the throttle plate. This in theory "works" but that's way too close to the combustion chamber for maximum cooling. You'd need a long intake tract to allow the atomized meth to vaporize into a gas to make it worth something. Plus you'd want it to be after an intercooler so you'd get the benefit of the intercooler and then the meth. I saw a youtube channel of a guy who has an RX8 (a long time ago) with no intercooler and I don't remember if hes running a radiator or not (it's been a while) it does run didn't blow up. I do hope you see this and I hope it helps...
Safety improvement: Print a new splitter thingy with extra screw hole on the edges so that you can mount a dust cover on top of it. You don't want any dirt making your throttle stuck wide open 😆
For those wondering about the pressure activation: The 130 kPa he is quoting is including atmosperic pressure, whereas the 5 psi he says is the equivalent is just the overpressure (boost). If anyone was confused.
What you need to bypass the supercharger is the diverter valve off your choice of any old VW/Audi 1.8t/2.7t engine, the rumor online is the so called "710N" unit is the best, can't vouch for that but they hold up fine to 26 psi on my car. You give it vacuum and it opens, you give it boost pressure and it pushes the diaphragm even harder closed, and best of all, if you remove the vacuum/boost reference, the internal spring will allow the valve to open around 4 PSI as a sort of failsafe boost limiter. While you're at it you might as well also pull the intercooler off the same donor car as they are relatively small and easy to remove.
Nice to see the car managed to get back home! I once just about made it home from a mountain, with the carb of my motorbike tied on with a strip of plastic from a ziplock bag.
Detonation is spontaneous pockets of ignition that occur AFTER the spark has already started the main flame front. Pre-ignition is spontaneous ignition that occurs BEFORE the spark fires, and that's what you described in the video.
@Dreddip B.S.!.. continued detonation can be VERY damaging to an engine. Have you ever pulled the rod bearings out of a high performance engine that has experienced detonation for only periods of 8 seconds at a time for 20-30 times? I guess not...
My initial thought... Holy cow! Jimbo is going DEEP into the science behind every aspect of this project. Thats what makes this channel so special. No hidden secrets, and you explain it perfectly for the average person to follow along. One question though... that intercooler is.... a little on the large side don't ya think? I bet you'll probably do a ton of testing to prove it isn't. If you wanted any OEM application air to air intercoolers, I might know a guy :). Great video!
@@TheOneAndOnlyRandy if you do good work, explain what you are doing, what you are looking for, and have a calm metered tone, tons will watch. As a few examples, I'm a system administrator, I work with computers, but if you look at my youtube subscriptions, I watch people who use heavy equipment to build ponds, clear forests, and just generally dig and haul dirt. I watch people who trim cow hooves. Others who build pole barn buildings. Also a guy who does hvac repairs on commercial buildings. Now none of these skills are ones I need, or have any real interest in, but they all have a similar sort of tone (meaning just talking to the audience, not crazy yelling with funny voices and over the top jokes) and they are all clearly experts at what they do. They take time out of what they are doing to explain what they are looking at and what it means to them. It is super interesting to watch people who know what they are doing, even if it is something you have no experience with it. So if you think you can do something similar with gold carts, then I say go for it. get a camera, maybe a tripod or 2, and just set the camera up to watch what you are doing. Go back in later and put in commentary for what you were doing, what you were seeing, and explain any decisions you made along the way at any forks where you had multiple options and chose one over the other. Good chance you will have a subscriber base in not much time as long as you are consistent with videos.
You drove over that hose/cord not once, but twice! Who's gonna pay to replace that hose/cord? You must always check that you won't run over anything before pulling away! 🤣
This is a great project! I have enjoyed the previous videos as well. I want to say, when I toyed with turbocharging car engines which were never intended for turbos; adding an intercooler was the most helpful thing out of all the "supporting modifications" tried. It was a game-changer!
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In a twist of Irony, I have seen cars overheat merely because the hood was removed and return to normal operating temperatures once the hood was replaced. Most specifically a mid 90's Honda Prelude we built in our younger days. The original engineers thought of a lot more than you might think when they designed the car, and they designed the cooling solution to work best with all of the original equipment in place, mainly the hood.
True, but keep in mind this car is far from being original. Last summer in Michigan when we did a lot of development work, we ran with the hood off and it makes a big difference. Actually, for this car the best way to keep the engine cool is to remove the aluminum belly pan. I normally don't like taking that off because it keeps all the dirt and road grime from getting into the chain drive.
@@robotcantina8957 Stock motor configuration, No. Stock aerodynamics, Yes. But as long as you tested and verified it on your car and you're not just assuming its cooler with the hood lifted. I figured I had to throw that out there tho because of my past experiences.
The way that I would describe the transmission situation is, a CVT with an over/under drive unit(the actual transmission). such a cool project thanks for sharing
Dump the twin t-body's and use a vacuum operated by-pass valve. Or program one of the t-body's to perform this function. Look at pics of the roots blowers (M62/M90) from the GM 3800 engines. They have the by-pass valve built into them. You'd likely need a couple T fittings on either side of the blower with the t-body plumbed in to by-pass the blower under vacuum. Dig?
Why not ditch the first throttle body and instead fit a blow off valve between the output of the super charger and the throttle body on the intake manifold. Then hook the blow off valve to manifold vacuum so it stays open when the throttle is shut but once you have enough throttle opening to hit atmosphere pressure in the intake manifold it shuts and gives you full boost.
This is way better/cooler than ev's! I think at least small motor hybrids are the way to go... but this is great man, I want one... maybe in a moped???
Theres "gokart" nitrous oxide kits you can get... you know for when you need a little more get up and go.. also it cools down the air intake temps quite a bit.
An interesting saga so far Jimbo since bolting the stock 212 cc Predator engine to the Honda Insight. It's good you are using a car with a low drag coefficient, instead of using a 1960's VW micro-bus. Speaking of drag coefficient, you may want to calculate how much horsepower will be required to reach your next speed milestones, since you are at the point where losses are exponential. Keep up the good work Jimbo, this type of thing is of course fascinating to us Techo-Gearheads!
Thanks for the comment ! I have to cap the speed at 70 MPH because that is the max local speed limit. The last five MPH is tasking forever to figure out... we should get there soon.
@@robotcantina8957 Thanks for the reply. Yes, the intercooler should help but, with the high outdoor temperatures you are experiencing, I suspect unforeseen problems will crop up. But, nothing a few more episodes won't cure, just keep those garden gnomes away.
Shouldn't it be possible to make a bypass valve setup using a large T coupler and a one-way check valve on the side? So when there is a vacuum, the check valve opens, and the supercharger then blows it shut when it creatives positive pressure. I'm sure there is a reason why people don't do this, but in theory it should work in my mind, haha!
audi have a gigantic check valve for this purpose on there compound turbocharged diesels , part No 059145901C to bypass the small turbo once the big one overpowers it.
A blow off valve in a tubo could work for this. They normally only operate when the throttle is closed and there is charge air in the intake before the throttle body.
Supercharged Mini Coopers have a small stand alone bypass valve that would probably work well here. One way check valves usually take too much pressure differential to be useful as a bypass valve and mechanical blow off valves usually actuate over too large of a pressure range. Bypass valves use a diaphragm that actuates the valve rapidly right at atmospheric pressure.
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a PWM was what I was going to suggest also. But I make them from scratch with a TL494 chip and IGBT. I made one as a fuel pressure control for a turbo charged motorcycle a friend was making. You use it in current mode to set head pressure from the pump.
Im not sure folks realize, but to get the meth injection setup takes a ton of research. RC made the electrical control and complex plumbing look as easy as the cheap meth kit companies want you to think their "stage 1" kit is
I think the easiest solution would be an electric solenoid which would turn on when the throttle is closed and allow atmospheric air to get in to brake the vacuum. There could be a switch on the throttle body which will be triggered anytime the throttle is perfectly closed. A more advanced method would be a 2 wire idle valve solenoid driven by a variable frequency driver with position input from the throttle position sensor calculated with an arduino, that way it can control the vacuum electronically at any time, or even get the same microcontroller set up to bleed pressure when needed and control boost at your will at any rpm.
@@kansasrose2909 When I was a teenager in the late 30's and early 40's, electronics wasn't a word. You were interested in radio if you were interested in electronics.
Lifted hood don't work. Windshield bottom is high pressure area, that's why with fan off in highway you can feel wind blowing inside car. It wont pull out off engine bay, instead, it'd make it smell bad inside interior. Engine, belt heat smell, and other things come inside. That's also how cowl hoods for Mustangs and other big carb cars work it has opening in back to breath from windshield
I remember finding this channel way at the beginning because I was butting a Predator 212 on my snowblower and was laughing at the possibility of modding it for power. That quest led me to your first dyno videos and Ive been hooked ever since. I think I was subscriber 500-something. Amazing work and what a fun journey!
I know it’s off topic but I have a open air 3d print and for large prints I use a 2 reptile heat lap on a 3d bracket at a 45 to help with the warping just don’t let it get to hot. It’s a cheap fix and do it on a tile or concrete floor in a open area such as a garage (I’m not responsible if you burn your house down)
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It'll be interesting to see how effective the air to air cooler is. My preference would have been for an air to water unit but I acknowledge it would be more complex and heavier, and I have no proof that it would be better. Looking forward to the next developments!
Air to water would actually have been trivial. Simple electric water pump. The air-to-air intercooler could package better. And then to exchange the heat to the atmosphere you just use the original radiator for the car.
Another idea could be to use the cars washer system to spray the intercooler to help cool it but im sure it will be fine without that especially with meth injection
An air to air intercooler works better than I thought they would when I first started playing with them. An air to water cooler enjoys longer use under heavy boost without heat soaking, but isn't all that much more effective than an air to air system for a lower power application.
Great video! Love the addition of the 3d printed parts! I default to using Fusion360, i really like the ability to use variables for my sketches/extrusions/cuts instead of setting values directly so i can easily modify the design on the fly. The addition of using a second throttle body to control the vacuum was inspired! Looking forward to the next video!
If it helps, you only need a few cc per min. like maybe 1 for an engine that size. You can probably use water mister nozzles that the jungle site has . They have a 10-24 thread and o-ring. that's the setup I used for my vw diesel pushing 18psi. they break up the water very fine .
Fantastic video. I have never seen such an elaborate water/meth setup lol. Water/meth is normally super simple and easy to use, but then again, it's not normally used on such a small engine. I knew an intercooler was the obvious solution to high IAT, but this build is all about doing silly things and I love it.
Make sure the intercooler you use has a weep hole if you're planning to do WMI before it since puddling will be unavoidable. By the way, WMI into a piping elbow will keep it from collecting as a wash on the walls of the pipe. Would make it easier to run between the SC and TB. Though, everything must be taken with a grain of salt given the low CFMs you have moving through those pipes. It might even be possible that a choke point at the WMI point would help as it would increase air speed. Everything will be a bit different to some degree because of the oddball application. I'm confident in your thorough testing though. Keep it up!
@@dangerousdave5915 When I was a teenager in the late 30's and early 40's, electronics wasn't a word. You were interested in radio if you were interested in electronics.
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I'm trying to understand why you didn't use a check valve to bypass the supercharger when the pressure dropped to neutral. That would be the simplest solution possible.
What else we could do? Make it a hybrid electric setup? My car makes 84hp on a good day and gets to 60 in 9.5 seconds. I bet this thing would be perfect for a twin electric planetary gear setup!
I’m still impressed with the fact you guys basically built a torque/power split transmission without all the annoying electronics. Car manufacturers could learn a few things from you guys. Well done and on with the project I say! I do wanna mention using first and second might act as an under drive and may in fact improve your times once tuned properly. Keep up the great work!
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Such a great video on meth injection even without the test TBH. your setup looks like you did things exactly right as far as all the supporting bits to make it super controllable and safe.
@@miatafan When I was a teenager in the late 30's and early 40's, electronics wasn't a word. You were interested in radio if you were interested in electronics.
Water meth injection should get those intake temps way way lower than what you're seeing. I know this is a very small engine, and even using the smallest nozzle may be just to much spray using this stage 1 setup. The spray comes on at a selected boost pressure and stays steady. But if you can get a stage 2 setup that has a progressive controller, you can set spray to start at 5psi, and max spray pressure at say 15psi for example(even though you'd never reach that). The idea is that it'll slow the spray rate down enough that it's not too much for the engine. I think you'd have much better luck using a progressive setup vs the hobs style setup. Hobs style isnt the best for PD blower engines. Just an idea that's probably worth trying out. Somebody what mentioned using a blow off valve instead of the double TB setup. Just wondering why this wasn't tried out using just 1 TB between the engine and blower set up as a blow through design?
Intercooled, twin throttle body, meth bazooka injected, supercharged, fuel-injected, 420cc Hemi (from a cement mixer) powered Honda Insight. And some people say that YT videos are a waste of time.
Just use a reed valve from a 2stroke as a vacuum pressure relief valve between supercharger and engine.. positive pressure will seal valve and you get boost, but open when vacuum. pretty sure you could 3d print a manifold for it
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Fantastic stuff, might be able to drop the meth with the IC and use the spray system to mist the IC with water for evaporative cooling if the IAT gets too high on long pulls.
Been here since the start of this project. Crazy to see how far this project has come! I was really not expecting you to go that route with the intercooler style, but I suppose it makes sense for this setup (if one can even argue any of this actually makes sense XD). Quite an expensive add on though. I wonder if it will be too big though for it to handle. On another note, this channel really deserves more views, and at some point it is going to finally happen. Glad to have been here from the beginning. It's definitely one of my favourite channels to see a new video on.
My thought for an actual bypass valve is to use the second throttle body as your bypass but opens fully when the accelerator pedal is let off of. It would be difficult which is why I would use an Arduino which will open the throttle body when the gas pedal is let off of and hold open or set a time where it would automatically close (simply use two of the timers in the Arduino and a simple switch. Or pot if you want variability. Then when you push the gas pedal it would close that valve however you wanted (instantly or slowly depending on your rpm, I mean you could set it however you want). Same theory for a waste gate if your psi goes too high!!!! I would like to see you try it!!!
This is one of my all-time favorite gearhead series on TH-cam. The gloriously impractical nature of it all, done purely for the joy of discovery is mesmerizing!
Wow, thanks!
@@robotcantina8957 Why not put this th-cam.com/video/UV6EVAeeovQ/w-d-xo.html around the cylinder block to get that block temp down even by 10-12c... ??
Mesmerize, after Sir Jonathan Mezmer who was famous for putting people in trances. Thus Mesmerize. (lol)
You've absolutely captured the magic of this entire series in your comment. It's a journey into the unknown. Thank you for that.
Couldn't agree more.
A hot engine yields best power. Yet a cool intake yields best power. They aren’t the same thing.
The intercooler is the right move.
Great project.
I vote for the intercooler.
I feel like this project is going to end up in the Guinness Book of World Records!
For the fastest slow car?
@@benholroyd5221 Don't be ridiculous...it's Slowest Fast Car, get that shit RIGHT!
fastest street legal go kart...
@@benholroyd5221 longest title for an engine design I’m thinking.
I think FJB just may end up scalping this 💡 and incorporating it into the Lame New Deal 🤣
What's pretty cool is I'm a truck driver and I picked up a load round bales about 30 minutes from this shop
An extremely simple and cheap way to eliminate the vacuum issue is to run an automotive blow off valve with an air filter on it.
That was my vote. Twin TBs is a “trash” setup that enjoys pumping losses ;-). Trash is definitely my scientific term.
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Bingo
@@ocdman202 I definitely love it lol
So with methanol, it's got a couple of things going for it; 1.) it's an alcohol so its a fuel. As for tuning, you need to take out fuel because you're adding fuel with the methanol. 2.) It lowers intake air temperature by evaporating which allows you to increase timing since it's combatting detonation/preignition with the lower temperatures. Additional timing allows for an increase in power. THe only issue with vaporization is that it take linear distance for the vaporization to occur which equals the cooling effect. A lot of methanol induction kits include a spacer plate with a nozzle to inject meth at the throttle plate. This in theory "works" but that's way too close to the combustion chamber for maximum cooling. You'd need a long intake tract to allow the atomized meth to vaporize into a gas to make it worth something. Plus you'd want it to be after an intercooler so you'd get the benefit of the intercooler and then the meth. I saw a youtube channel of a guy who has an RX8 (a long time ago) with no intercooler and I don't remember if hes running a radiator or not (it's been a while) it does run didn't blow up. I do hope you see this and I hope it helps...
Safety improvement: Print a new splitter thingy with extra screw hole on the edges so that you can mount a dust cover on top of it. You don't want any dirt making your throttle stuck wide open 😆
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This reminds me of JJ from JJ and Mikey but slowed down and talking about engines, nice!
25:00 This is starting to sound like the car from One Piece At A Time!
I really don't know....again?
Yup!
Once again thanks for that.
Pur-mi-smile
maybe i should not be here at 5am but i am entertained and in need of a new project
Yes to new projects! Great content here.
For those wondering about the pressure activation: The 130 kPa he is quoting is including atmosperic pressure, whereas the 5 psi he says is the equivalent is just the overpressure (boost). If anyone was confused.
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Good catch! Hopefully the folks who understand also ought that one. Thanks!
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What you need to bypass the supercharger is the diverter valve off your choice of any old VW/Audi 1.8t/2.7t engine, the rumor online is the so called "710N" unit is the best, can't vouch for that but they hold up fine to 26 psi on my car. You give it vacuum and it opens, you give it boost pressure and it pushes the diaphragm even harder closed, and best of all, if you remove the vacuum/boost reference, the internal spring will allow the valve to open around 4 PSI as a sort of failsafe boost limiter.
While you're at it you might as well also pull the intercooler off the same donor car as they are relatively small and easy to remove.
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That would be fun. Using the diverter valve backwards lmao
@@BrokeWrench Which one is harder to come by, baby formula or gas..???👶👶👶👶👶
This channel keeps me coming back for more.
@@kansasrose2909 They are both worth their weight in gold !
@@ocdman202 That baby formula is made with high fructose corn syrup... 👶👶👶👶
This makes me wanna see a horizontal V twin four stroke intercooled single turbo under that hood.
Nice to see the car managed to get back home! I once just about made it home from a mountain, with the carb of my motorbike tied on with a strip of plastic from a ziplock bag.
Back again today! Love this project.
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Detonation is spontaneous pockets of ignition that occur AFTER the spark has already started the main flame front. Pre-ignition is spontaneous ignition that occurs BEFORE the spark fires, and that's what you described in the video.
This is true. Detonation isn't itself damaging to the engine but if allowed to deteriorate into pre-ignition it will very quickly cause engine damage.
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@@kansasrose2909 I am ecstatic with this channel.
@Dreddip B.S.!.. continued detonation can be VERY damaging to an engine.
Have you ever pulled the rod bearings out of a high performance engine that has experienced detonation for only periods of 8 seconds at a time for 20-30 times?
I guess not...
I fast forward past the stuff that makes me feel stupid and go straight to the test drive 🤯🤭
My initial thought... Holy cow! Jimbo is going DEEP into the science behind every aspect of this project. Thats what makes this channel so special. No hidden secrets, and you explain it perfectly for the average person to follow along.
One question though... that intercooler is.... a little on the large side don't ya think? I bet you'll probably do a ton of testing to prove it isn't. If you wanted any OEM application air to air intercoolers, I might know a guy :). Great video!
Man, I watch your videos too.
makes me wonder if anyone wants to see golf cars tore to the floor and rebuilt since that is what I do for a living
@@TheOneAndOnlyRandy if you do good work, explain what you are doing, what you are looking for, and have a calm metered tone, tons will watch. As a few examples, I'm a system administrator, I work with computers, but if you look at my youtube subscriptions, I watch people who use heavy equipment to build ponds, clear forests, and just generally dig and haul dirt. I watch people who trim cow hooves. Others who build pole barn buildings. Also a guy who does hvac repairs on commercial buildings. Now none of these skills are ones I need, or have any real interest in, but they all have a similar sort of tone (meaning just talking to the audience, not crazy yelling with funny voices and over the top jokes) and they are all clearly experts at what they do. They take time out of what they are doing to explain what they are looking at and what it means to them. It is super interesting to watch people who know what they are doing, even if it is something you have no experience with it. So if you think you can do something similar with gold carts, then I say go for it. get a camera, maybe a tripod or 2, and just set the camera up to watch what you are doing. Go back in later and put in commentary for what you were doing, what you were seeing, and explain any decisions you made along the way at any forks where you had multiple options and chose one over the other. Good chance you will have a subscriber base in not much time as long as you are consistent with videos.
@@ck7802 Hey man, thanks for that.
I might just have to give it a try.
(had previously typed an entire response that got lost in the ether)
......and I do cars will do the tear down that is inevitable.....
@@chrisrodenbeck6327 Did you see that bazooka?
You drove over that hose/cord not once, but twice!
Who's gonna pay to replace that hose/cord?
You must always check that you won't run over anything before pulling away!
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A video 6 minutes new and then that groovy music starts, you know it's a good day.
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@@ocdman202 Just kicken down the cobble stones and feelin' groovy... oh yeah.
the acceleration reminds me of my old Opel Corsa 1.0 45 pony car. 0-100 km/hr in "some day" x'D
This is a great project! I have enjoyed the previous videos as well. I want to say, when I toyed with turbocharging car engines which were never intended for turbos; adding an intercooler was the most helpful thing out of all the "supporting modifications" tried. It was a game-changer!
Thanks for the tips!
@@robotcantina8957 Which one is harder to come by baby formula or gas??👶👶👶
This channel keeps me coming back for more..
@@kansasrose2909 They are both worth their weight in gold!
Are you ready for double digit gas prices?
Ok... the Meth Bazooka made me almost spit out my drink. Good stuff.
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In a twist of Irony, I have seen cars overheat merely because the hood was removed and return to normal operating temperatures once the hood was replaced. Most specifically a mid 90's Honda Prelude we built in our younger days.
The original engineers thought of a lot more than you might think when they designed the car, and they designed the cooling solution to work best with all of the original equipment in place, mainly the hood.
True, but keep in mind this car is far from being original. Last summer in Michigan when we did a lot of development work, we ran with the hood off and it makes a big difference. Actually, for this car the best way to keep the engine cool is to remove the aluminum belly pan. I normally don't like taking that off because it keeps all the dirt and road grime from getting into the chain drive.
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@@robotcantina8957 Stock motor configuration, No. Stock aerodynamics, Yes.
But as long as you tested and verified it on your car and you're not just assuming its cooler with the hood lifted.
I figured I had to throw that out there tho because of my past experiences.
@@TheOneAndOnlyRandy They should come out with the drinking man's guide to this build..
Maybe ESQUIRE could do an article..
@@kansasrose2909 Maybe.
Not that I'm much of a drinking man... or a drinker at all.
If it were presented like Drunken History then perhaps I'm in lol
ABC/s? I like the three R's reading, Righting and Rithmatic can't make it right without the math and the "writing" on this channel is FANTASTIC
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@@ocdman202 Jimbo === is that Saturn back on the road yet? We want to see how it runs with the Diesel engine in it!👍👍
The way that I would describe the transmission situation is, a CVT with an over/under drive unit(the actual transmission). such a cool project thanks for sharing
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@@kansasrose2909 Rose, you seem very happy with this video.
@@ocdman202 Great content.
Dump the twin t-body's and use a vacuum operated by-pass valve. Or program one of the t-body's to perform this function. Look at pics of the roots blowers (M62/M90) from the GM 3800 engines. They have the by-pass valve built into them. You'd likely need a couple T fittings on either side of the blower with the t-body plumbed in to by-pass the blower under vacuum. Dig?
Dang I just caught up from the beginning. It’s crazy how far this series has gone
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@@kansasrose2909 Rose you seem very happy with this video.
this show makes me smile . its just crazy but good , thanks .
Crazy good... Good content here.
@@mommapanda5736 Jimbo === is that Saturn back on the road yet? We want to see how it runs with the Diesel engine in it!👍👍
I just came here to say the supercharger in your thumbnail looks like its wearing a top-hat and a monocle 🧐
I wouldn't mind knowing more about that foot cream my friend 👀
I still read the descriptions religiously lol
that intercooler looks like its rated for 300hp. i wouldn't be surprised to see a pressure drop of >2 psi.
Why not ditch the first throttle body and instead fit a blow off valve between the output of the super charger and the throttle body on the intake manifold. Then hook the blow off valve to manifold vacuum so it stays open when the throttle is shut but once you have enough throttle opening to hit atmosphere pressure in the intake manifold it shuts and gives you full boost.
This is way better/cooler than ev's! I think at least small motor hybrids are the way to go... but this is great man, I want one... maybe in a moped???
Theres "gokart" nitrous oxide kits you can get... you know for when you need a little more get up and go.. also it cools down the air intake temps quite a bit.
Those kits suck so bad. I have one kicking around somewhere
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Has he considered the Tesla Turbine??
Another awesome video
An interesting saga so far Jimbo since bolting the stock 212 cc Predator engine to the Honda Insight. It's good you are using a car with a low drag coefficient, instead of using a 1960's VW micro-bus. Speaking of drag coefficient, you may want to calculate how much horsepower will be required to reach your next speed milestones, since you are at the point where losses are exponential.
Keep up the good work Jimbo, this type of thing is of course fascinating to us Techo-Gearheads!
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Thanks for the comment ! I have to cap the speed at 70 MPH because that is the max local speed limit. The last five MPH is tasking forever to figure out... we should get there soon.
@@robotcantina8957 Thanks for the reply. Yes, the intercooler should help but, with the high outdoor temperatures you are experiencing, I suspect unforeseen problems will crop up. But, nothing a few more episodes won't cure, just keep those garden gnomes away.
@@billharris6886 I come here for the comments and stay for the video!
Jimbo I knew you where a man of culture and class but you using opera is just the icing on the cake
Yes, Opera is the only way to cruise the net.
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Shouldn't it be possible to make a bypass valve setup using a large T coupler and a one-way check valve on the side? So when there is a vacuum, the check valve opens, and the supercharger then blows it shut when it creatives positive pressure. I'm sure there is a reason why people don't do this, but in theory it should work in my mind, haha!
audi have a gigantic check valve for this purpose on there compound turbocharged diesels , part No 059145901C to bypass the small turbo once the big one overpowers it.
A blow off valve in a tubo could work for this. They normally only operate when the throttle is closed and there is charge air in the intake before the throttle body.
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Supercharged Mini Coopers have a small stand alone bypass valve that would probably work well here. One way check valves usually take too much pressure differential to be useful as a bypass valve and mechanical blow off valves usually actuate over too large of a pressure range. Bypass valves use a diaphragm that actuates the valve rapidly right at atmospheric pressure.
@@BuffMyRadius Which one is harder to come by baby formula or gas??👶👶👶👶
This channel keeps me coming back for more..
Fellow Kansan here, Topeka area. Cool project, very interested to see where this goes!!!
Cool project! By the way, did you see that garden gnome at the end of the video?🧙♂️🧙♂️🧙♂️🧙♂️😜😜😜
@@kansasrose2909 Yes, I saw the gnome.
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Thank you for all your hard work.
I appreciate that!
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@@kansasrose2909 Rose, you look very pleased with this channel.
Dual throttle bodies is a common mod for supercharged Miata's. that throttle cable slider is pretty slick
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@@ocdman202 Man, you look pretty happy with this channel.
That intercooler should drop temps a lot, Should give a good boost to power.
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@@kansasrose2909 Rose, you seem very pleased with this channel.
@@ocdman202 Yes, I am.
You could also check out the first gen (02-06) Mini Cooper S parts list for it's intercooler. They are a 1.6L engine.
Tinkered was my first cad software and I successfully used it to design a working air engine.
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Outstanding. Things are coming together. I can see light. 💪💪
soooooon
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This video is outstanding... keep up the good work!
a PWM was what I was going to suggest also. But I make them from scratch with a TL494 chip and IGBT. I made one as a fuel pressure control for a turbo charged motorcycle a friend was making. You use it in current mode to set head pressure from the pump.
We are enjoying this journey into the unknown..
@@ocdman202 How far out are you going??
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@@ocdman202 Gas prices hit another all time high on Thursday!!
Haha very entertaining. Maybe all the extra electrical load from the meth water injection setup outweighs the power and cooling it produces.
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@@ocdman202 You sound like Mr. Spock!🤓🤓
Im not sure folks realize, but to get the meth injection setup takes a ton of research. RC made the electrical control and complex plumbing look as easy as the cheap meth kit companies want you to think their "stage 1" kit is
This build is really getting some traction.
The increase in power with methanol, allows you to run either higher boost, or higher compression to see those results.
I bet the inter cooler will help immensely. Another awesome video hit out of the park. Wishing you a great week. God bless all.
Jimbo === is that Saturn back on the road yet? We want to see how it runs with the Diesel engine in it!👍👍
Looks like the valve on a washing machine
Great video once again. That cement mixer powered Honda is cruising now. Definingly fast enough to go get burgers!
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@@kansasrose2909 YES absolutely and a chocolate shake to dip the fry’s in….. OH MAN now I’m 🤤 hungry!
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Wow this project went from 30 to 1000 fast...and I love it!! Can't wait to see the intercooler install. I wanna see 70 mph.
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Coming soon!
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@@ocdman202 Man, you seem very happy with this channel. 😊😊😊😊
I think the easiest solution would be an electric solenoid which would turn on when the throttle is closed and allow atmospheric air to get in to brake the vacuum. There could be a switch on the throttle body which will be triggered anytime the throttle is perfectly closed.
A more advanced method would be a 2 wire idle valve solenoid driven by a variable frequency driver with position input from the throttle position sensor calculated with an arduino, that way it can control the vacuum electronically at any time, or even get the same microcontroller set up to bleed pressure when needed and control boost at your will at any rpm.
Has he tried the Tesla Turbine??
@@ocdman202 He should try it to cool the supercharger.
@@kansasrose2909 When I was a teenager in the late 30's and early 40's, electronics wasn't a word. You were interested in radio if you were interested in electronics.
@@ocdman202 Jimbo === is that Saturn back on the road yet? We want to see how it runs with the Diesel engine in it!👍👍
Lifted hood don't work. Windshield bottom is high pressure area, that's why with fan off in highway you can feel wind blowing inside car. It wont pull out off engine bay, instead, it'd make it smell bad inside interior. Engine, belt heat smell, and other things come inside. That's also how cowl hoods for Mustangs and other big carb cars work it has opening in back to breath from windshield
Are we going to get to ten dollars a gallon>?
I love this build, definitely time for the intercooler.
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@@kansasrose2909 Rose, You seem very happy with ROBOT CANTINA!
Definitely loving this project, can't wait to see where it winds up. 👍👍😀💗
Me too... I come for the video and stay for the great comments. ☺️☺️☺️
You sir, are a genius!
Great content here.
I remember finding this channel way at the beginning because I was butting a Predator 212 on my snowblower and was laughing at the possibility of modding it for power. That quest led me to your first dyno videos and Ive been hooked ever since. I think I was subscriber 500-something. Amazing work and what a fun journey!
You are one of the original subscribers, thanks for signing up for the journey.
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@@kansasrose2909 "If you really look closely, most overnight successes took a long time."
Can't believe that 20ish hp can be this addictive to watch! But I'm hooked....
Seeing the intercooler there gave me chills in my charge... And... Oh gnome!
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I know it’s off topic but I have a open air 3d print and for large prints I use a 2 reptile heat lap on a 3d bracket at a 45 to help with the warping just don’t let it get to hot. It’s a cheap fix and do it on a tile or concrete floor in a open area such as a garage (I’m not responsible if you burn your house down)
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You rock.
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Okay this is crazy enough that I have subbed! Awesome work man!
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It'll be interesting to see how effective the air to air cooler is. My preference would have been for an air to water unit but I acknowledge it would be more complex and heavier, and I have no proof that it would be better. Looking forward to the next developments!
Air to water would actually have been trivial.
Simple electric water pump. The air-to-air intercooler could package better. And then to exchange the heat to the atmosphere you just use the original radiator for the car.
Another idea could be to use the cars washer system to spray the intercooler to help cool it but im sure it will be fine without that especially with meth injection
An air to air intercooler works better than I thought they would when I first started playing with them.
An air to water cooler enjoys longer use under heavy boost without heat soaking, but isn't all that much more effective than an air to air system for a lower power application.
It was on cars and cameras with their Turbo 420cc with radiator intercooler
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Great video! Love the addition of the 3d printed parts!
I default to using Fusion360, i really like the ability to use variables for my sketches/extrusions/cuts instead of setting values directly so i can easily modify the design on the fly.
The addition of using a second throttle body to control the vacuum was inspired!
Looking forward to the next video!
No doubt fusion 360 is good stuff, Tinker cad is more or less kindergarten CAD, but at this point that's what level I'm on.
@@robotcantina8957 Hey! Whatever works! Im still a noob to CAD and Fusion 360, but i can make what I need :)
A fresh Robot Cantina video!! I knew this was going to be an excellent weekend.
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@@ocdman202 Man,, did you see that bazooka??
@@kansasrose2909 Yes. and it was custom made!
Thanks
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If it helps, you only need a few cc per min. like maybe 1 for an engine that size. You can probably use water mister nozzles that the jungle site has . They have a 10-24 thread and o-ring. that's the setup I used for my vw diesel pushing 18psi. they break up the water very fine .
I always read videos descriptions, I hope the ointment you put on your feet is helpful. Happy motoring Jonny.
A fascinating project. So many pieces to integrate. Tuning has to be a nightmare.
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Yes, tuning this thing gets difficult at times.....
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When I was a teenager in the late 30's and early 40's, electronics wasn't a word. You were interested in radio if you were interested in electronics.
Fantastic video. I have never seen such an elaborate water/meth setup lol. Water/meth is normally super simple and easy to use, but then again, it's not normally used on such a small engine. I knew an intercooler was the obvious solution to high IAT, but this build is all about doing silly things and I love it.
Thank you!
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The descriptions are the best part of the video. (Not really but I can at least say I read it!)
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@@ocdman202 Man, You look like you are anxious for another video from ROBOT CANTINA!~
Watched an episode of engine masters they tested water/ meth injection and it worked so much better when they ran 100% methanol.
Did you see that bazooka??
@@kansasrose2909 Are we going to get to ten dollars a gallon??
I recon next would be porting and a modified camshaft
maybe mill the engine block for higher compression while you're at it
Sounds good!
Make sure the intercooler you use has a weep hole if you're planning to do WMI before it since puddling will be unavoidable. By the way, WMI into a piping elbow will keep it from collecting as a wash on the walls of the pipe. Would make it easier to run between the SC and TB. Though, everything must be taken with a grain of salt given the low CFMs you have moving through those pipes. It might even be possible that a choke point at the WMI point would help as it would increase air speed. Everything will be a bit different to some degree because of the oddball application. I'm confident in your thorough testing though. Keep it up!
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Glad someone else mentioned this, now I don't have to
@@BrokeWrench Which one is harder to come by baby formula or gas???👶👶👶👶
This channel keeps me coming back for more.
@@kansasrose2909 They are both worth their weight in gold!
Just rewatched that first episode, season 1. WoW, you really have come a long away since then!
@@ocdman202 Man, you look quite pleased with this channel.
@@kansasrose2909 It's is one of my favorite channels. Something about the dry wit🤣
@@dangerousdave5915 When I was a teenager in the late 30's and early 40's, electronics wasn't a word. You were interested in radio if you were interested in electronics.
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I'm trying to understand why you didn't use a check valve to bypass the supercharger when the pressure dropped to neutral. That would be the simplest solution possible.
The cable thing you made is almost exactly what's used on snowmobiles
Interesting..... It's amazing how original designs end up being similar to existing products
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@@kansasrose2909 Rose, I can tell your heart is in the right place.
@@ocdman202 "If you really look closely, most overnight successes took a long time."
What else we could do? Make it a hybrid electric setup? My car makes 84hp on a good day and gets to 60 in 9.5 seconds. I bet this thing would be perfect for a twin electric planetary gear setup!
I was going to say that, he could find a cheap forklift motor just to add some torque
@@B0RN2RACE100 Did you see that bazooka??
@@ocdman202 i, in fact, did see the bazooka and it was awesome
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If you get an intercooler, it might be an idea to spray water on it, may all bits help!
Another excellent episode! I love how you hide your vast knowledge and expertise, behind copious amounts of twisted humor 🙂
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I’m still impressed with the fact you guys basically built a torque/power split transmission without all the annoying electronics. Car manufacturers could learn a few things from you guys. Well done and on with the project I say! I do wanna mention using first and second might act as an under drive and may in fact improve your times once tuned properly.
Keep up the great work!
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@@ocdman202 Man, you seem happy with this video!☺️☺️☺️
@@kansasrose2909 Yes... we are enjoying the journey into the unknown.
@@ocdman202 This build is quite impressive!
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Such a great video on meth injection even without the test TBH.
your setup looks like you did things exactly right as far as all the supporting bits to make it super controllable and safe.
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@@kansasrose2909 Rose, you seem very happy with this video!!
@@ocdman202 Yes, I am ecstatic about this video and over the moon about that bazooka!! YOU??
@@kansasrose2909 I am too, bunch of cool nerdy things going down
@@miatafan When I was a teenager in the late 30's and early 40's, electronics wasn't a word. You were interested in radio if you were interested in electronics.
Jimbo, you ain't right. But you keep spinning that straw. You're bound to make gold some day.
Spin it. !
@@ocdman202 Man, are you king of the road??
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When I was a teenager in the late 30's and early 40's, electronics wasn't a word. You were interested in radio if you were interested in electronics.
Water meth injection should get those intake temps way way lower than what you're seeing. I know this is a very small engine, and even using the smallest nozzle may be just to much spray using this stage 1 setup. The spray comes on at a selected boost pressure and stays steady. But if you can get a stage 2 setup that has a progressive controller, you can set spray to start at 5psi, and max spray pressure at say 15psi for example(even though you'd never reach that). The idea is that it'll slow the spray rate down enough that it's not too much for the engine. I think you'd have much better luck using a progressive setup vs the hobs style setup. Hobs style isnt the best for PD blower engines. Just an idea that's probably worth trying out.
Somebody what mentioned using a blow off valve instead of the double TB setup. Just wondering why this wasn't tried out using just 1 TB between the engine and blower set up as a blow through design?
Intercooled, twin throttle body, meth bazooka injected, supercharged, fuel-injected, 420cc Hemi (from a cement mixer) powered Honda Insight. And some people say that YT videos are a waste of time.
Just use a reed valve from a 2stroke as a vacuum pressure relief valve between supercharger and engine.. positive pressure will seal valve and you get boost, but open when vacuum. pretty sure you could 3d print a manifold for it
With a small air filter I'm assuming?
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@@ocdman202 Man, did you see that bazooka!!
@@kansasrose2909 Yes, I did.
choked on my tea when you said "METH BAZOOKA" .. brilliant !!
laughed harder when shop vac "sucked in meth and air " comedy gold ,thanks
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This is like if this old tony was a car guy, what a show
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"the jungle site with next day delivery" brilliant comedy
Just commenting for the algorithm. Great stuff, unique and enjoyable. Keep it coming.
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@@ocdman202 Man,, I really love this channel. I come for the video and stay for the comments.
Love the content, personality, and humor
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@@kansasrose2909 Rose, you look very pleased with this channel.
Fantastic stuff, might be able to drop the meth with the IC and use the spray system to mist the IC with water for evaporative cooling if the IAT gets too high on long pulls.
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@@ocdman202 Has he installed the flux capacitor??
Been here since the start of this project. Crazy to see how far this project has come!
I was really not expecting you to go that route with the intercooler style, but I suppose it makes sense for this setup (if one can even argue any of this actually makes sense XD). Quite an expensive add on though. I wonder if it will be too big though for it to handle.
On another note, this channel really deserves more views, and at some point it is going to finally happen. Glad to have been here from the beginning. It's definitely one of my favourite channels to see a new video on.
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@@kansasrose2909 Rose, you seem very happy with this channel.
@@ocdman202 I am happy here in Kansas, as long as it is happy hour🥤🥤🥤🥤🥤
@@kansasrose2909 Have you tried the bazooka? Similar to a
Tequila Rocket.
My thought for an actual bypass valve is to use the second throttle body as your bypass but opens fully when the accelerator pedal is let off of. It would be difficult which is why I would use an Arduino which will open the throttle body when the gas pedal is let off of and hold open or set a time where it would automatically close (simply use two of the timers in the Arduino and a simple switch. Or pot if you want variability. Then when you push the gas pedal it would close that valve however you wanted (instantly or slowly depending on your rpm, I mean you could set it however you want). Same theory for a waste gate if your psi goes too high!!!! I would like to see you try it!!!
thanks for being epic I look forward to your videos all week