I have to say I'm no pro but also no noob, but I always felt like a little something was missing with my sound set up. I have all the gadgets umik-1 laptop calibration mic from receiver, and even spl meter. But let me tell you I came across this video and watched it like 6x even wrote things down, and I sat here and did what you recommend and wow fixing the delay the right way is a day and night difference! I have to say thank you and keep them informational videos coming..
As an audio engineer i can only say .. Bravo! 👏 & Thank you- We're kind of a geeky lot, generally, but you really nailed the fundamental Science of Sound & proper Surround Set-up, based on these (actually simple) principles. Viewers, don't be intimidated by the single formulas presented, its real basic & answers the question of HOW to dial your system in Properly, for Max enjoyment via accurate signal balance. I'm stoked, because besides my leisure enjoyment of everything I'm going to surround if I endeavor to attempt to mix 5.1 it's important to have your monitoring system properly arranged so, that's something fun to look forward to as a Producer & Musical fiend.. I look forward to seeing how close JPL and Harman kardon come to setting up the delay using their system that has the mic which I will compare to my own measurements now... Thanks, Dude- nice job! 🙏🏽
Great video, Mark. I've never heard anyone explain delay as precise as you. Thanks for the knowledge, I understand a lot better now. VERY informative and useful!
You recommended not to use ceiling speakers, but if I wanted to build a Dolby Atmos system where ceiling speakers are a must, do you have any recommendations for that?
I was assuming he was talking about main and surround speakers in the ceiling. A lot of people do that for aesthetics and they end up with terrible sound quality for their cinema
Hard to set up rear speakers the same distance as sub woofer or sound bar when the coach is against the wall. I have my set up at each corner but thinking of setting then up have way between midpoint.
Hi, the video is great. One question, how should I place the delay on the speakers? Do I need hardware delay per speaker? or could apply some delay in the master in protools? If so, which one would you recommend? In my studio I have about 30 feet of difference between the front and back to the listening point.
This explains a lot. I just got the Dolby Atmos soundbar system from Samsung. It came with two surround rears and a sub. 7.1.4 Do you recommend putting your two surround left and right speakers at ear level? Or would placing them higher be more beneficial? I'm struggling to figure it out. Any help would be great
@@cinema_sound5003 Hey. Can I build a home theatre out of studio monitors? Respectively, 9.1.6, whole system will be out of 15x JBL 308 MKll.. because that's the only option left for me, due to import duty taxes, other speakers are way too overpriced!
I'm Brazilian and I have a question. Can you help me? I'm going to buy a Samsung Dolby Atmos Soundbar that has two rear speakers. I know a good setup is to use pedestals behind the couch. M
Thank you! Question........irregular basement "open floor plan" here. My left and right surround have very different wall distances. Left is say 8ft and 10 degrees behind me because of a window. Right speaker can either be 14 ft and 5 degrees AHEAD of my position or to get a similar 10 degrees behind me more like 18ft. Because of my stairway. Is this simply too far to overcome? This is a 7.1.4 setup. Receiver is a new Sony so it's fairly capable but i dunno about THAT capable. Thanks in advance.
Great video, very informative. In an object based setup ( ATMOS ) which utilizes height speakers, what would your recommendation be for 4 direct radiating speakers as far as placement? Dolby recommends 2 L&R slightly in front and to the sides of the listening position and 2 L&R slightly behind and to the sides of the listening position, however I'm assuming these are in ceiling speakers and that's why they recommend this set up. I'm taking bookshelf speakers and mounting them up on my ceiling. Do you recommend 2 height channels L&R directly to the sides ( about 12' apart ) and angled down towards the listening position and 2 height channels L&R directly behind the seating position (also around 10-12' apart ) angled down towards the listener ( NOT to the sides) or would you yourself stick to Dolbys recommendation? My concern is that the drivers would not be pointed at the listener and firing into a "blank area" using Dolbys recommendation. I totally agree with speakers facing you ( the listener ) and I cannot find anything anywhere about using direct radiating speakers for an object based set-up.
Top Pro Video guide man,Thank you ever so much! You couldn't be more clear on your video. I honestly had no idea what the delaying option was for and 10/10 your explanation on how to calculate the correct delay for each speaker. Now, tape measure, calculator, drill :action! Again, thank you!
onkyo speaker set up is smarter.. you will just have to measure all speakers from the center of your couch & adjust the meters or foot to the speakers distance option on the remote of the onkyo & thats it you good to go.. onkyo will automatically adjust the delay & volume of each speakers for you..
This was epic! Could you do a video on this kind of stuff but directly about Dirac live as it uses frequency dependant phase differences and crazy stuff like that to fix the sound
Cinema_Sound Unfortunately, even though I have heard one, I do not own one so can’t send one to you, but do you want to demo my customisable BMR speaker (if you are in the UK I’d love to send one to you guys). Sorry i don’t have an AVR with Dirac live though. :(
hi i need your support for my home theater set up , as I have fitted alt the satellite speakers but the base coming from the modeule is so booming and irritating .iam using Bose Accoustimas 10 IV . Please help to sort out this issue. Thanking you in advance.
Cinema Sound So I just set each speaker to the same distance as the furthest away speaker instead of calculating milliseconds? Or do you mean that I have to physically have them at the same distance?
@@cinema_sound5003 Yeah, but I can´t delay speakers in milliseconds in my Marantz. I can only set the distance in Meters/Feet from the speaker to the MLP. So how do I calculate the virtual distance then if I can´t use the millisecond delay-trick in my surround processor? Do I have to rely on Audyssey for that calculation?
Homes aren't designed with good speakers in mind. For most of us this means complete reconstruction of our homes. These types of videos would be more helpful if they explained suitable compromises, instead of creating unrealistic expectations.
I have a 7.2.4 set up and i can only find a few movies that are good for atmos applications and have it labeled on the slip cover like ( star wars and black panther ) .not all atmos Movies have full range atmos . Do any body know a list of dolby atmos that have 7.2.4 or higher
I just ditched a Bose lifestyle system for Monitor audio MASS speakers and a Onkyo amp .... have a feeling I just wasted my money, I can only mount my speakers on the wall to each corner of the room with the centre channel being correct. :/
Yeah think they are automatically set depending on the distance that is input for them. The X4500H doesn’t have independent delay settings. Makes it easier for me though lol. Everything else you said helped and my system sounds great.
Hi cinema sounds, I put the rear speakers of the old system (12 years) 7.1 on the ceiling and it is the same effect of the new ATMOS, atmos is really a "new" system or the consumer is being lied to, Regards
I just add 6 dB it my rears and boom I’m done All my surrounds are In ceiling so not great but it sounds good for me (klipsch LcR with altek lancing and Polk surrounds with marantz receiver (7.1)
Cinema_Sound No there’s no delay, sorry I didn’t say above but my marantz compensates for that (it’s calibrated for the delay in the room) Its a pretty pricey receiver (looking at the price hurt me) but compared to my old one, compensation for the room is so nice to have)
the bg music on this is brutal
I have to say I'm no pro but also no noob, but I always felt like a little something was missing with my sound set up. I have all the gadgets umik-1 laptop calibration mic from receiver, and even spl meter. But let me tell you I came across this video and watched it like 6x even wrote things down, and I sat here and did what you recommend and wow fixing the delay the right way is a day and night difference! I have to say thank you and keep them informational videos coming..
Not only have you come-up with a good content choice but the way you delivered it made it easy for one to understand! GOOD JOB
As an audio engineer i can only say .. Bravo! 👏 & Thank you- We're kind of a geeky lot, generally, but you really nailed the fundamental Science of Sound & proper Surround Set-up, based on these (actually simple) principles. Viewers, don't be intimidated by the single formulas presented, its real basic & answers the question of HOW to dial your system in Properly, for Max enjoyment via accurate signal balance. I'm stoked, because besides my leisure enjoyment of everything I'm going to surround if I endeavor to attempt to mix 5.1 it's important to have your monitoring system properly arranged so, that's something fun to look forward to as a Producer & Musical fiend.. I look forward to seeing how close JPL and Harman kardon come to setting up the delay using their system that has the mic which I will compare to my own measurements now... Thanks, Dude- nice job! 🙏🏽
Great video, Mark. I've never heard anyone explain delay as precise as you. Thanks for the knowledge, I understand a lot better now. VERY informative and useful!
If you can't perfectly place your speakers, ask your wife to move out 😉
Gotta sit down for this!
I run a 4.1 phantom
Center. Room layout is small configured the best I could still need an SLM meter. I think I got it pretty good so far.
You recommended not to use ceiling speakers, but if I wanted to build a Dolby Atmos system where ceiling speakers are a must, do you have any recommendations for that?
I was assuming he was talking about main and surround speakers in the ceiling. A lot of people do that for aesthetics and they end up with terrible sound quality for their cinema
Hard to set up rear speakers the same distance as sub woofer or sound bar when the coach is against the wall. I have my set up at each corner but thinking of setting then up have way between midpoint.
Hi, the video is great. One question, how should I place the delay on the speakers? Do I need hardware delay per speaker? or could apply some delay in the master in protools? If so, which one would you recommend? In my studio I have about 30 feet of difference between the front and back to the listening point.
This explains a lot. I just got the Dolby Atmos soundbar system from Samsung. It came with two surround rears and a sub. 7.1.4
Do you recommend putting your two surround left and right speakers at ear level? Or would placing them higher be more beneficial? I'm struggling to figure it out. Any help would be great
You do want them slightly above if you're trying to recreate cinema. Thanks!
@@cinema_sound5003 Hey. Can I build a home theatre out of studio monitors? Respectively, 9.1.6, whole system will be out of 15x JBL 308 MKll.. because that's the only option left for me, due to import duty taxes, other speakers are way too overpriced!
@@josealfredfernandes Dude. I did it with 305s. 308s would be OFF THE HOOK!!!
deserves at least 100 million views.
Can these be connected to your car to any location in your house
I'm Brazilian and I have a question. Can you help me? I'm going to buy a Samsung Dolby Atmos Soundbar that has two rear speakers. I know a good setup is to use pedestals behind the couch. M
Thank you! Question........irregular basement "open floor plan" here. My left and right surround have very different wall distances. Left is say 8ft and 10 degrees behind me because of a window. Right speaker can either be 14 ft and 5 degrees AHEAD of my position or to get a similar 10 degrees behind me more like 18ft. Because of my stairway. Is this simply too far to overcome? This is a 7.1.4 setup. Receiver is a new Sony so it's fairly capable but i dunno about THAT capable. Thanks in advance.
I had no idea how badly I needed this video until now.
VERY useful knowledge... and of course there's still way more room to expound on the variables you outlined...
Just a jump off point.
THX
My day isn't complete without watching this .....
Great video, very informative. In an object based setup ( ATMOS ) which utilizes height speakers, what would your recommendation be for 4 direct radiating speakers as far as placement? Dolby recommends 2 L&R slightly in front and to the sides of the listening position and 2 L&R slightly behind and to the sides of the listening position, however I'm assuming these are in ceiling speakers and that's why they recommend this set up. I'm taking bookshelf speakers and mounting them up on my ceiling. Do you recommend 2 height channels L&R directly to the sides ( about 12' apart ) and angled down towards the listening position and 2 height channels L&R directly behind the seating position (also around 10-12' apart ) angled down towards the listener ( NOT to the sides) or would you yourself stick to Dolbys recommendation? My concern is that the drivers would not be pointed at the listener and firing into a "blank area" using Dolbys recommendation. I totally agree with speakers facing you ( the listener ) and I cannot find anything anywhere about using direct radiating speakers for an object based set-up.
if i use my microphone for setting up the levels, will that also sort out the delay as well
What would be the equation with the metric system?
Top Pro Video guide man,Thank you ever so much!
You couldn't be more clear on your video. I honestly had no idea what the delaying option was for and 10/10 your explanation on how to calculate the correct delay for each speaker. Now, tape measure, calculator, drill :action!
Again, thank you!
The world needs to see this
so sick. I’m honestly obsessed ️
well. i put left & right speakers to ceilings before watching your video :D ok. i will direct them properly :))
Where does one put height speakers?
onkyo speaker set up is smarter.. you will just have to measure all speakers from the center of your couch & adjust the meters or foot to the speakers distance option on the remote of the onkyo & thats it you good to go.. onkyo will automatically adjust the delay & volume of each speakers for you..
This video is such a gift!
This is proper shout out material!!
How to set up surround sound with studio monitors? What kind of audio interfaces can I use?
SO it's ok for the rear surround speakers to be significantly further away from the listening position than the front ones?
Thank you
Is it ok to put my left and right surround up in the ceiling but pointed towards me? I really cannot run wires on the floor since I have a 2 year old.
Replayed this 10 times already!
This is the start of something EPIC!!!!
This is legit awesome!
you are a constant inspiration
I can’t stop watching this
This was epic! Could you do a video on this kind of stuff but directly about Dirac live as it uses frequency dependant phase differences and crazy stuff like that to fix the sound
We'd be happy to. Just furnish us with one and we'll do some demos with it!
Cinema_Sound Unfortunately, even though I have heard one, I do not own one so can’t send one to you, but do you want to demo my customisable BMR speaker (if you are in the UK I’d love to send one to you guys). Sorry i don’t have an AVR with Dirac live though. :(
"This is epic" come on mate steady! 😁
Thanks bro 😊
excellent video! Thank you!
How do you do Dolby Atmos without roof speakers? That's what at atmos is
This is exactly what I was looking for!
Perfect explanations, thank you :)
Yeah this one hits home pretty hard
Smiled through the whole video
Would make a good math teacher.You got my attention.Just talk about speakers.
need to make it this trending
how can a video be this good?
This video is so good!
obsessed with this already
hi i need your support for my home theater set up , as I have fitted alt the satellite speakers but the base coming from the modeule is so booming and irritating .iam using Bose Accoustimas 10 IV . Please help to sort out this issue. Thanking you in advance.
@@cinema_sound5003 thank you for your kind support.
Do av receivers have this delay calibration in-built?
the more expensive ones do.
This is SOOO GOOD I CANT!! LOVE IT
Hi, isn’t the rear surround speakers should’ve 80-90cm above the ear level ?????
Cinema Sound Can you give me an advice please, on what height I should put my bookshelf speakers on stands (rear surround) Would appreciate it.
Awesome video...I love it!!
I wish it gets millions of views!!!!
Keep being awesome!
I will never get tired of watching this!
How do I set this in my Marantz AV7702? I can only set the distance of the individual speaker, not the delay in milliseconds!
Cinema Sound So I just set each speaker to the same distance as the furthest away speaker instead of calculating milliseconds? Or do you mean that I have to physically have them at the same distance?
@@cinema_sound5003 Yeah, but I can´t delay speakers in milliseconds in my Marantz. I can only set the distance in Meters/Feet from the speaker to the MLP. So how do I calculate the virtual distance then if I can´t use the millisecond delay-trick in my surround processor? Do I have to rely on Audyssey for that calculation?
Horror Stuff i have the same issue with u :)
@@duyvhtpd00156 Yeah, it´s annoying! :)
Omg....breathtaking!
perfect video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feels irritated when ads creeps in between such a masterpiece
Homes aren't designed with good speakers in mind. For most of us this means complete reconstruction of our homes. These types of videos would be more helpful if they explained suitable compromises, instead of creating unrealistic expectations.
I have a 7.2.4 set up and i can only find a few movies that are good for atmos applications and have it labeled on the slip cover like
( star wars and black panther ) .not all atmos Movies have full range atmos . Do any body know a list of dolby atmos that have 7.2.4 or higher
U may try these:
Mad Max Fury
Blade Runner 2049
Oblivion
Hacksaw Ridge
Mission Impossible: Fallout
Star Trek: Into Darkness
MIND=BLOWN
I just ditched a Bose lifestyle system for Monitor audio MASS speakers and a Onkyo amp .... have a feeling I just wasted my money, I can only mount my speakers on the wall to each corner of the room with the centre channel being correct. :/
this gets me hyped up
Awesome video
Where is the delay settings in my Denon X4500H?
Yeah think they are automatically set depending on the distance that is input for them. The X4500H doesn’t have independent delay settings. Makes it easier for me though lol. Everything else you said helped and my system sounds great.
This video is super LIT!!
Hi cinema sounds, I put the rear speakers of the old system (12 years) 7.1 on the ceiling and it is the same effect of the new ATMOS, atmos is really a "new" system or the consumer is being lied to, Regards
this touched me :)
Why do so many of these comments sound like generic bots?
It's weird cause it's actually good information on properly setting up your HT receiver
Great Videos! Keep them Coming Please =)
This video is WAY better
Well they don't tell you this at Argos .
It's an iconic video ️
Nothing on the ceiling? Have you not heard of Atmos?
Time to call this a Hit!
just gave this a standing ovation from my dining table
I just add 6 dB it my rears and boom I’m done
All my surrounds are In ceiling so not great but it sounds good for me (klipsch LcR with altek lancing and Polk surrounds with marantz receiver (7.1)
Benjamin Wallace the issue is you’ve got a delay from those ceiling speakers. Volume won’t fix it.
Cinema_Sound
No there’s no delay, sorry I didn’t say above but my marantz compensates for that (it’s calibrated for the delay in the room)
Its a pretty pricey receiver (looking at the price hurt me) but compared to my old one, compensation for the room is so nice to have)
CRUSHED it
Straight fire!
This Video = Love
This is proper!!
Best video ever
I will still be watching this in 2019
Omg i love this so much
Love it to the fullest
video is perfect
Star in the making
just perfect!
I rest my case with this video :)
Watched! Now replay time :)
I’m a new fan
I'm obsessed!!
remarkable
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