almost everyone who mentions this topic seems to either forget to mention or misreport the fact that the “italian” identity is not merely a modern idea - the Roman Empire saw Italia (which is, by the way, a latin word) as the fatherland and birthplace of the Empire. _Italia (the Latin and Italian name for the Italian Peninsula) was the homeland of the Romans and metropole of Rome's empire in classical antiquity. According to Roman mythology, Italy was the ancestral home promised by Jupiter to Aeneas of Troy and his descendants, who were the founders of Rome_ _As provinces were being established throughout the Mediterranean, Italy maintained a special status which made it Domina Provinciarum ("Ruler of the Provinces"), and - especially in relation to the first centuries of imperial stability - Rectrix Mundi ("governor of the world") and Omnium Terrarum Parens ("parent of all lands"). Such a status meant that, within Italy in times of peace, Roman magistrates also exercised the Imperium domi (police power) as an alternative to the Imperium militiae (military power). Italy's inhabitants had Latin Rights as well as religious and financial privileges._ as a final note piece, I’d also like to present to you a curious example of how even the Italian language - despite having had 2500 years of time to diverge from the frozen-in-time form of Classical Latin studied in textbooks - can give us clues on the real connection between these two cultural identities, when analysed in its historical vocabulary. From the New Englander and Yale Review, January 1843: _“The great etymological affinity between Italian and Latin, is illustrated by the following lines addressed to Venice, by a citizen of that republic before its fall, which read equally in both languages”:_ Te saluto, alma Dea, Dea generosa, O gloria nostra, O Veneta Regina! In procelloso turbine funesto Tu regnasti secura; mille membra Intrepida prostrasti in pugna acerba. Per te miser non fui, per te non gemo; Vivo in pace per te. Regna, O beata, Regna in prospera sorte, in alta pompa, In augusto splendore, in aurea sede. Tu serena, tu placida, tu pia, Tu benigna; tu salva, ama, conserva.
@@herobrinegreek9493 You are 100% wrong .The ancient Greek word Etholia is of Italic derivation from the Oscan, Umbrian ,vitlu meaning bull, in latin vitellus , meaning calf . Outoulia thus meaning : Land of bulls. SIR not everything is of Greek origin!!
@@xano2921 510 bc - 1453 is 1,963 years lol If you think that the collapse of the Western Roman Empire is the end of the Roman Empire you could push the date up nearly a thousand years but the people we now call the Byzantines still referred to themselves as Roman and periodically controlled parts of Italy
@@MajorMlgNoob The Byzantine empire is the Roman empire just the eastern part and during the greek independence war people still refers themselves as roman so the legacy of the Roman empire last nearly 500 years after his downfall
@@MajorMlgNoob Yeah. Before asking when Romans became Italians one should critically define what Roman and Italian even mean. Maybe then there wouldn't be reason to ask. Hint. Romans didn't become Italians. Rome was a multicultural empire with many ethnicities and languages. Official ones being Classical Latin and Koine Greek. Today's Italian language is one continuous evolution from local dialects of Vulgar Latin. It is amazing how effective the propaganda of Holy Romans (Germans) and the Pope has been. Think for example how many videos about the fall of Rome there are on youtube? All those videos that can't even agree on the date or the certain event that would quantify as such. Meanwhile any serious historian knows that the Roman Empire (Imperium Romanum) factually ended in 1453 with the fall of Constantinople and the last Roman emperor Constantine XI. Things are so messed up that if you google "the last roman emperor" google returns "Romulus" (some kid that wasn't even recognized by the ruling emperor Flavius Zeno) :)
As the famous saying goes, on the dawn of Italian Unification, “We made Italy. Now we must make Italians” Italy and Italians have been a people long before the city state of Rome rose up. However, they fractured so much, within such a climatically diverse peninsula, that over a thousand+ years later they no longer felt a common identity. Even though they had always been geographically Italian.
@@swunt10 meaning they come from Italy, which until 1861 was a geographic term. Not a country. Like saying the Iberian Peninsula. Portuguese are geographically Iberian. lol
@@michelangelomissoni945 You realize how that argument disproves what you said? The Iberian peninsula has protuguese, spaniards, catalans, basques, galicians and others like aragonese living there. All have or had different languages and cultures. Your argument is they have always been one people like the different people that lived in what is now italy? I don't think the portuguese and spaniards feel as Iberians just like the Latins, Italics and etruscians never felt as italians. So you are talking nonsense. There never have been Italians until very recently when the Italian language and most of the culture got spread around making them italians. If you go back in time to what is now italy just a couple centuries but even more so 2000 years ago you would meet vastly different people like the portuguese and spanish are different now in their part of europe. Meanwhile germans have always spoken german and had a german culture (with regional differences of course), nobody needed to create a german people, the problem was rather that there where too many germans so the dutch, austrians and swiss where cut at the corners to make it more practical. Italians on the other hand needed to expand over other people who spoke different languages and had vastly different cultures 2000 years ago.
@@swunt10 That’s what I am saying? I don’t understand what you don’t get? I was saying Italy was nearly a geographic idea until more recently (aka 1840’s-1861). Before then it is how you so eloquently describe. Why do you not understand that you are saying exactly what I am?
@@swunt10actually he is right and the comparison accurate: both Italy and Spain (HISPANIA) were geographical terms long before they became political states. So there were italians and hispanii in addition to being venetians, florentines, castilians, portuguese etc.
In short: They shat themselves. Every single major power expected a long, drawn out war, that was expected to last for years. They also expected France would win. When Germany took Paris, everyone was shocked. As a result, everyone started copying the Prussian General Staff, as well as their conscription, and mobilisation laws. The Ottomans, especially, were originally going to base their military reforms on France's army. After the war ended, they based it on the Germans, instead.
@@boombler4320 No before that, when the Ottoman Empire was at the height of its power and was seen as the biggest threat of all of Europe that even the Hasburgs couldn’t contain them.
Being culturally Italian is a beautiful definition, a bit like being German; it is not about borders and nations but identity, language and background.
Fun fact: There's apparently a tiny population of ethnic Greeks living in the old city of Istanbul (about 2,000), who are still called "Rumi"' - The Romans.
That, and also I seem to remember seeing something somewhere that on a few select small remote Greek islands they still consider themselves romioi (Romans) and the last remnants of the Eastern empire.
people from Italy were calling themselves Italian since antiquity. In fact, one of the earliest events in the Roman Republic was a rebellion in which Italians demanded Roman citizens not just for the people in the region of the city of Rome, but for everyone in the peninsula, so there was already an identity there.
I guess it started with multiple identities (not sure about an "italian" identity though), then the conquest of Rome, then everyone identified gardually as "romans" in the italian peninsula and the empire.
You're not wrong; but there is a difference between an ancient "italic" and a modern "italian" - their connection is almost entirely a linguistic one. While italics were just one group of people among many living in ancient italy - Italians are a conglomeration of the individual identities of the people living on the peninsula from 1400-1820 - when the idea of being italian came to formation.
@Jimmyicus No. Italics were an ethno linguistic group who lived in ancient Italy. They included Latins, Romans, Faliscans, Umbrians, and other groups. They were not "Italians" because "Italy" was not really a concept in terms of an ethnic or national identity. It was a purely geographical term Other people that lived beside the italics in Italy were Etruscans, Greeks, and Gauls
@@cd852 Italics were all the people living in Italy. Etruscans were considered Italics eventually. Also, there was an Italic identity as there was a Greek identity; and maybe even stronger, since the Italics cooperated with Rome to build its empire. This identity was founded on being allied to Rome; and it's also the root of the Medieval Italian identity: indeed every medieval poem about Italy (dated also before 1400 as you state) asks Italians to fight against the foreign conquerors to restore the Roman dominance in the world.
@@12_xu Italy as a national or ethnic concept did not exist. The only correct thing you said there is that there was an italic identity. It did NOT encompass people living all over the italian peninsula. Just because etruscans were considered italics post roman conquest, does not mean they actually were. And greeks of magna graecia were definitely not italic in anyway.
What people fail to realize is that Italy as a geographical entity was already established before Rome, and its inhabitants were called Italic people. In fact, Italic people lived in the area a long way before Rome, and they were actually also the people who first settled in the river Tevere and founded Rome itself. Rome was an Italic city which later was conquered by the Etrurians, then gained independence and proceeded to conquer the other Italic cities and peoples, including the Etrurians themselves. But even within the long domain of the Roman Empire Italy and Italic peoples were acknowledged and considered Rome’s associates and allies with Rome as a ruling power. So the concept of Italy and Italians (Italic back then) existed before Rome, throughout Rome and after Rome. There isn’t actually a time when Romans became Italians. Romans were born as inhabitants of an Italian city and were primarily Italian people
Uuuuuuuuuhh no, per nulla, che cazzo dici, che sono ste teorie stravaganti L'Italia come concetto geografico assume la forma attuale (isole escluse) solo durante il I secolo aC-I secolo dC, l'originale "Italia" era solo la punta meridionale della Calabria, abitata da un popolo che i Greci chiamavano Italoi. Non è mai esistito, prima della tarda Repubblica Romana, un concetto di un unico popolo italico, né di molteplici popoli italici uniti da un medesimo filone genetico. Il termine "italici" in questo contesto è riferito più ampiamente a tutti i popoli che abitavano la penisola al di fuori di Romani, Greci, Etruschi e Galli, ma non esiste un legame universale che collegava tutti quei popoli, i quali non erano nemmeno tutti di stirpe indoeuropea, e la cui cultura variava comunque in maniera notevole di area in area; nemmeno la classificazione di un ceppo "italico" regge più nella tradizionale divisione delle lingue indoeuropee, ed è stata superata da due differenti classificazioni, una osco-umbra e una latino-falisca, le quali non sono necessariamente più strette geneticamente tra di loro che con qualunque altro ramo della macrofamiglia indoeuropea. Per finire, di certo non si può dire nemmeno che sia esistito davvero un popolo italico nemmeno dopo l'unificazione romana: la decentralizzazione amministrativa dell'età tardoantica e la frammentazione politica altomedievale saranno il primo motore della nascita di singole identità locali che di certo non si vedevano come appartenenti a un unico popolo "italiano" (anche solo ipotizzando che queste identità davvero si identificassero poi in alcun modo, considerato che probabilmente il tipico contadino d'età medievale aveva ben altro a cui pensare). Durante il basso Medioevo, l'idea di una generica "italianità" (non necessariamente politica, e certamente non linguistica, ma quantomeno geografica e storico-culturale) comincia a diffondersi tra le élite intellettuali, e autori come Dante e Petrarca faranno spesso riferimento a questa percepita idea di una nazione italiana definitiva molto vagamente. Da questo certamente derivò nei secoli successivi l'idea di una élite intellettuale italiana. Ma l'idea di un popolo italiano, unito in lingua e cultura? Questa idea non avrà mai alcun significato effettivo almeno fino al XVIII secolo, quando i primi discorsi unitari cominciano a farsi strada nel discorso intellettuale dell'Illuminismo, e la Rivoluzione Francese, le Guerre Napoleoniche e la Restaurazione non fecero che alimentare sempre più l'idea di una comune identità italiana a cui la stragrande maggioranza degli italiani continuava comunque a non prendere parte, né vi avrebbe preso parte fino a dopo l'Unificazione, in un lento e faticoso processo di costruzione dell'identità che attraversò tantissime fasi (dalla scolarizzazione di massa alla Grande Guerra, dal fascismo al dopoguerra e il boom economico)
"Romans were born as inhabitants of an Italian city and were primarily Italian people" erm actually Greeks were called Romans during the Byzantines era. Calling someone Roman back then was something like calling someone "European" nowdays ... means civilized. Don't forget that the Roman Empire was completely overwelmed by the Greek Civilization so much that at some point Latin was completely replaced by Greek.
The cute block head art illustrations with fuzzy hair and modern hints like Mario and the pizza had me cracking up! Engaging and informative with a great sense of humor! Well done!
My great, great, grandfather, the fantastically named Baldassare Viscardini (1830-1896) born in Mondella, Province of Como, fought alongside Garibaldi during the seconda guerra d'indipendenza italiana in 1859. He's buried in Highgate cemetery in London and his descendants live on in the South East United Kingdom.
Allora non siamo soli, Odino (mortebianca) è con noi, pensavo di essere l'unico italiano a seguire questi canali di storia. Già che ci sono, avrei bisogno di aiuto per ottenere più contenuti riguardanti l'italia, come nel canale ww2 della community timeghost.
I see u are a man of culture as well. But let me say that Caesar would be so frustrated, because u have compared him with someone who is as idiot as (mmm I dunno) actually most of political parties in Italy.
@Simone De Filippo certo ahahah un generale che si vende ai germani. Ricorda un po' Arminio più che Cesare. Ma per piacere. Infatti da grande Cesare quale non era ci ha lasciato un'Italia ancora oggi preda del comunismo più becero, mischiato con progressismo e globalismo, e abbiamo definitivamente perso ogni possibilità di riallacciare rapporti con Corsica, Istria e dalmazia. Gg per mvssolini
@Simone De Filippo il pesce puzza dalla testa. Che gli italiani siano per la maggiore disertori, traditori, di attitudine mafiosa e inaffidabili beh grazie hai scoperto davvero l'acqua calda. Per l'appunto dunque, conoscendo questa attitudine, non doveva fare gran parte delle cose che ha fatto, a mio parere. Guarda in Portogallo o in Spagna. Governi autocratici sono sopravvissuti fino agli anni 70, di stampo ultra nazionalista, senza dover per forza incappare in conflitti mondiali per poi uscirsene sconfitti e smembrati. La frase che disse sugli italiani, impossibili da governare, si ha ragione, ma non va declinata come una scusa per dire che mvssolini non ha fatto nulla di sbagliato in vita sua. Lvi doveva fare una cosa, senza chiamare in causa albori e fasti Dell impero di cui ha studiato ben poco a riguardo (visto poi con chi è andato ad allearsi), fare profonde riforme per unire e industrializzate l Italia da fiume al Brennero fino a Lampedusa. Stop. Chi troppo vuole, alla fine della fiera, nulla stringe.
On the other hand, Italia has been the name for the peninsula since Roman times, and Dante already spoke of Italy as his native country/region, even though his identification with Florence was much stronger.
Legio 1 Romana Italica. The first professional Legion. Only recruited from 6ft tall(180cm) men. Which I find funny that so many such tall people existed in italy back then. Since the romans were scares of the germans for all being massively tall
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti6 romans foot were 1.77 not 1.80, in the Roman Empire if you were 6' romans foot or taller you were considered very tall, becouse the average height of men was 1.65 and the average legionnaire was 1.70.
That is a good point, Civ 6 already has the Byzantines and Greeks who ruled over the same area at different times. No reason we can't have the Romans and Italians. Giuseppe Garibaldi would be a great leader choice.
Considering the Greek civ often represents *all* the city-states of Classical Greece, i don't see why they couldn't do it for, say, Renaissance Italy. Lorenzo de Medici, Cesare Borgia, Gian Galeazzo Visconti and Pope Julius II could all be excellent picks for that.
fun fact about Pizza, The Aeneid refers to Aeneas (legendary[read fictional] founder of Rome) knowing where to settle Rome as the place where they eat their tables, i.e. pizza. The Aeneid was written before 0 AD and refers to pizza as being ancient from before Rome. So while tomato sauce is relatively new, pizza itself probably predated Rome.
I mean James Bisonnette jokes can be funny, but at this point, the video which is supposed to be a historical documentary has a comment section filled with James Bisonnette jokes
Many Italians still refer to their region when they meet other Italians. For many Italian being Napolitan or Scillian and so on comes first. My grandad did not learn Italian until he had to fight in ww2 he only spoke local dialect. My nan on the other hand, don't think she ever learned proper Italian ever
@Demy Troy maybe you can't communicate in Italian with some nonne or nonni over 70/80 years old just because they didn't go to school, I'm 56 years old and I speak proper Italian, my mother is 78 years old and she studied only for 5 years but she speaks Sardinian and proper Italian, my grandmother spoke only Sardinian, as you can see you can find easily Italians that can speak proper Italian and even a sort of English 😁
@Varoon Interesting, i'm an italian (better tuscan) with french roots from the Provence. I'm curious: did people from Provence felt disconnected as well from the generic concept of being "french" or they felt totally french?
Yes but the peninsula was called Italia since pre-Roman times, the Romans spent a good deal of effort subjugating the other Italian peoples, and the idea that there was a territory called Italia and to some degree an understanding that even in the empire there could be Italians versus Syrians versus Africans and so on among the empire's population was present. So technically the Romans were a subset of Italians, absorbed all the other Italians, extended their name to a lot of non Italians, and then their empire collapsed and the people in Italian slowly started calling themselves Italians. Or even something more local. They didn't make the name up when Rome fell.
@@cabellones It was Romans that called it Magna Graecia, not certainly the people there. Also there were already Italic people in the south long before Greeks.
Well, i'd say there was some loose idea of "Italian-ness" even before the Renaissance. Dante Alighieri recognised Italy as a distinct cultural entity in the 1300s and he wasn't the first to mention it either.
The idea of an italian culture preceded even the roman empire itself. In 80 bc, during the republic, the italians revolted agsinst Rome asking for more rights, and they already called themselves "italici".
@@riccardopio294 Well, dividing the days of Roman expansion between pre-Augustus and post-Augustus is an anachronism, the "Roman Empire" can really be dated to well before the Social Wars, even before the Samnite Wars a few centuries earlier. IIRC the Romans started referring to the peninsula itself as "Italia" (rather than just the tiny southern region in Calabria) during the Samnite wars as they accrued more and more territory. It was specifically BECAUSE OF this expansion and specifically Roman re-purposing of the term that the 'socii' found it useful to use the term. But if you want to specify the empire as only coming into existence when Augustus came to power... well, it ignores actual history but it might be useful in an academic sense, kinda like calling the eastern Roman empire "the Byzantine Empire" even though no such thing existed until some historian invented the term centuries after its collapse.
From Wikipedia Genetic history of Italy: Based on DNA analysis, there is evidence of ancient regional genetic substructure and continuity within modern Italy dating to the pre-Roman and early Roman periods. DNA analysis also demonstrates that ancient Greek colonization had a significant lasting effect on the local genetic landscape of Southern Italy and Sicily (Magna Graecia), with modern people from that region having significant Greek admixture. Latin samples from Rome in the Republican (early Roman) period, were generally found to genetically cluster closest to modern Northern and Central Italians (four out of six were closest to Northern and Central Italians, while the other two were closest to Southern Italians).
Italians are Romans the same way Mexicans are Aztecs. They have genetics from them, but they have been mixed with invading populations so often that its hard to call them the same people. Alot of older cultures are like that. The amount of Viking blood in people from Ireland is silly.
@@englishteacher1865 thoose studies are nice. i discover that dna in my country (france) we still have hudge part of celtic legacy instead of germanic Frank and Roman (but they are both the other majors contributor to our dna
I randomly checked on one of the facts in your other video and was relieved that it was correct This is a nice channel and this is an interesting topic and a vague space in my knowledge
This is an often forgotten part of history that is rarely covered. Thank you. Also, thanks for continuing to create *short* videos. 20-30 minute videos really eat into my time.
One thing I love about this is channel is that every topic is something I have always wanted to know but have never thought about. How do you come up with all your video ideas?
Bruh the Italian peninsula has always existed and the Romans called themselves Italics like all the inhabitants of Italy at the time. Even the writers of 1000-1500 years ago referred to themselves as Italians, because they lived in the Italian Peninsula and spoke ancient Italian which was initially the Florentine dialect derived directly from Latin. The united nation of today was born in 1861 when it was definitively reunified under the single name of Italy. But Italy and the Italic race like the Romans existed since before the Roman Empire, like the Greeks.
I know a guy who is 30 years old and says "don't call me Italian, I'm Sicilian. " so I think some of the people are still identifying by region of birth. Very interesting to me.
Theres a book by Morris West(The Salamander) that states that as well. Apparently there's a lot of people who identify themselves first with their region and then by the country. Or at least they make sure to let you know from which region they are from. I've met 3 Italians in my life. All of them said "I'm Italian, from [insert Rome, Sicily or Napoli here]"
Imagine an Italian hopping in a time machine to visit the Romans. Roman: “You’re from my future? I can’t wait to hear about all the great military glories my descendants have achieved!” Italian: 😬
Makes you wonder how the Chinese managed to maintain a Chinese “ethnicity” when they basically have a ton of dialects and regional histories that is akin to the Roman Empire and successor states like Italy, Spain, France, etc. They share a common linguistic and cultural ancestry, but they’re obviously not the same.
Because of the fact they had concept of single, centralized country for very long time. Key word is "centralized". Chinese Empires had much higher control over territories than most of Eurasian empires before industrial revolution.
@@duck1ente Arabs never really lived in an Arabstan or whatever, they’re analogous to the Hispanicization of Latin America, where it just became a cultural and language thing.
Fun fact: before the fall of the Republic, the Senate fought a war against its own Italian allies. It was called the Social War named after what the Romans called the Italian allies (Socii) and it was a tactical victory but strategic loss. Much like in Greece, Rome may have conquered Italy, but the Socii conquered the Romans, and the Social War was when they gained true representation in the Senate, which was then extended during and after the Marius/Sulla showdown.
"Noi fummo da secoli calpesti, derisi Perché non siam popolo, perché siam divisi" Or, for non italian viewers: "We have been for centuries thrashed, laughed at 'Cause we're not a People, 'cause we are divided" -Second verse of the Italian anthem
È giusto! Però io intendevo cancellare il post per non farlo vedere a nessuno, non è un vanto essere stati calpesti e derisi, è meglio che il mondo non sappia.
All I know is that I love Italy and its people! Love its history too .l can put my fingers on the Colosseum and see the Roman centurions marching towards me... wonderful.
I’ve heard of him and can attest, He indeed was one of greatest generals in history. Too bad his Emperor didn’t appreciate him as much as he should have. He was the general responsible for much of the reconquest of western Rome for Eastern Rome some call the Byzantine empire for emperor Justinian that’s a lot hope I remembered it in right order. Been a while but no general outside Hannibal was as innovative as General Belisarius.
The unification of Italy is quite a recent thing: 1815-1871. The colour representing the royal family that ruled the united nation was blue, which is why the Italian football team wear blue, and are one of a few countries that don’t wear colours pertaining to their flag, in Italy’s case - 🇮🇹
Can you do a video answering the question “how did people react to the fall of France in ww2” I think this is a pretty interesting topic that not a lot of people talk about that
News: "Germany has defeat France and the Low Countries in 6 weeks!" Literally everyone: Good joke. News: "...." Everyone: "We are doomed..." Germany: :-)
Yea Corsica was like the main possession of Genoa since forever, but after the 7 years war when France pretty much lost everything to the British like in India and North America, their last annexation of theirs before the revolution was some kind of deal they made with the Genoese to give them the island in exchange of some sort of guarantees or whatever. can't remember the details. Anyways by the time napoleon went to the artillery academy in France as a boy was just a few years after that so many snobs there never saw him exactly as french citizen.
@@aceofhearts573 Oh wow ok thanks for telling me, Seems the genoese did same corrupt shit as the Venetians. I didn't know this. I knew the Venetians for example began the 18th century insanely rich because of their successes the two previous centuries and by 1800 they had nothing left because all the rich families and people too squandered their wealth on gambling, festivals and building huge mansions. People love going to Venice today thinking the palazzos on the great channel are the greatest thing without realizing most of the buildings in Venice are practically "new" and also represent Venice's downfall.
Love this page and it’s content! But, i think you should consider adding like 2 minutes to these extra short videos and it would make the content a lot clearer and easier to remember lol
*There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,* Acts 10:1 circa 40AD, 'band' meaning a specific cohort of the Legion (in this case Legio X Fretensis) See also Tacitus writings on 'band' meaning a cohort of a legion. Gruter also gives an inscription in which the Italian band is mentioned, which was found on a marble table in the Forum Sempronii. Also: *And when it was determined that we should sail into Italy, they delivered Paul and certain other prisoners unto one named Julius, a centurion of Augustus' band.* Acts 27:1
Fun fact: Odoacer, the first King of Italy after the fall of Rome, had a rival named Theodoric, who was an effective conqueror and supported by the Eastern Roman Emperor. Odoacer, knowing Theodoric would defeat him eventually, invited Theoderic to a banquet where they would sign an agreement to become JOINT kings of Italy. Theodoric showed up to the banquet, made a toast, killed all of Odoacer's party, cut down Odoacer with his sword, and then hunted down and murdered everyone who supported Odoacer in the kingdom. And that's how Theodoric became the second King of Italy. Apparently after all the murdering was done, his rule was quite prosperous for a while.
Its kinda patheric really. You are the first person in 800 years to Sack rome. Shattered a sense of dignity of the most powerful empire ever and then turned around and got your ass handed to you in a platter.
Mario is a japanese character...pizza is one of thousand italians products (you are too blind to know others). Hand Gesture? Each people has them. Look for De Funés films.
The printing press meant that books could be mass distributed in local languages rather than written by hand by monks in Latin. And so it became necessary for scholars to define "official" spellings, grammar and vocabulary for the language rather than relying on regional dialects. Which were then taught to people in schools leading to the creation of a common history and culture and forming a national identity.
Great video as usual! Maybe you should consider doing a video on the Norman conquest of southern Italy/Sicily, despite being the lesser-known Norman conquest it's still an interesting and often forgotten episode of Italian history.
Yes, it is significant that he does that, as the term in prior centuries had referred to only the southernmost part of what became known as Calabria. Virgil is using the term in a different way than had been the case in prior generations, a unifying way, as fits with his narrative.
You can also ask the question in reverse as "When did Italians start calling themselves Romans?" Most of Italy, that were not in/around Rome became Roman citizens around 90-87 B.C. as a result of the Social War.
Since the Roman Empire originated in Italy, it doesn't come as a surprise that Roman history and culture play a huge part in Italian national identity.
It’s not clear the name Italy comes from. It could have been the name of an ancient king that ruled southern Italy, or it could have come from the fact that Italos means boot in Greek. We don’t know for certainly
One of the proposed etymologies of the word that I've read somewhere was that it originated from 'Vitalus' which translated to "the land of the calves". That's all I have.
Italia Is an ancient word representing the province that separated Cisalpine Gaul from Italy at the river Rubicon. The area around Rome was called Latium
The frolicking through a field of flowers absolutely never gets old.
Agreed, it's absolutely brilliant
It is rather funny.
JUST KIDDING CRUSADE TIME
It drives the point home every time
You’d think that it would get old after some time, but fun fact: no.
When did the people in Italy stop calling themselves Roman and start calling themselves Italian?
Between the years of 476 and 1861.
476 up to this day
Hey, Rome wasn't built in a day!
@@tigermunky
Wasn't destroyed in a day either, as it would turn out.
Well some in Italy still do.
somewhere between the beginning and the end of the universe
Mario + Pizza = Italy
How do I, a history teacher, compete with these groundbreaking theories?
Because Mario’s Italian and Italy’s the birthplace of pizza
Get laid
I too fail to understand why Japan and pizza make Italy.
@@xaviergonzalez44 r/woosh
@@icantbelieveit3746 go back to reddit, you barbarian
almost everyone who mentions this topic seems to either forget to mention or misreport the fact that the “italian” identity is not merely a modern idea - the Roman Empire saw Italia (which is, by the way, a latin word) as the fatherland and birthplace of the Empire.
_Italia (the Latin and Italian name for the Italian Peninsula) was the homeland of the Romans and metropole of Rome's empire in classical antiquity. According to Roman mythology, Italy was the ancestral home promised by Jupiter to Aeneas of Troy and his descendants, who were the founders of Rome_
_As provinces were being established throughout the Mediterranean, Italy maintained a special status which made it Domina Provinciarum ("Ruler of the Provinces"), and - especially in relation to the first centuries of imperial stability - Rectrix Mundi ("governor of the world") and Omnium Terrarum Parens ("parent of all lands"). Such a status meant that, within Italy in times of peace, Roman magistrates also exercised the Imperium domi (police power) as an alternative to the Imperium militiae (military power). Italy's inhabitants had Latin Rights as well as religious and financial privileges._
as a final note piece, I’d also like to present to you a curious example of how even the Italian language - despite having had 2500 years of time to diverge from the frozen-in-time form of Classical Latin studied in textbooks - can give us clues on the real connection between these two cultural identities, when analysed in its historical vocabulary.
From the New Englander and Yale Review, January 1843:
_“The great etymological affinity between Italian and Latin, is illustrated by the following lines addressed to Venice, by a citizen of that republic before its fall, which read equally in both languages”:_
Te saluto, alma Dea, Dea generosa,
O gloria nostra, O Veneta Regina!
In procelloso turbine funesto
Tu regnasti secura; mille membra
Intrepida prostrasti in pugna acerba.
Per te miser non fui, per te non gemo;
Vivo in pace per te. Regna, O beata,
Regna in prospera sorte, in alta pompa,
In augusto splendore, in aurea sede.
Tu serena, tu placida, tu pia,
Tu benigna; tu salva, ama, conserva.
deep
Thank you for the enlightment.
Italia comes from the greek word "Etholia" (Αιτωλία)
@@herobrinegreek9493 You are 100% wrong .The ancient Greek word Etholia is of Italic derivation from the Oscan, Umbrian ,vitlu meaning bull, in latin vitellus , meaning calf . Outoulia thus meaning : Land of bulls. SIR not everything is of Greek origin!!
@@johngarofano7356 Etholia is in Greece my friend, and it is written Αιτωλία so idk how it can be of latin origin
“Romans, they existed, some stuff happened, and now they don’t. My thanks to James Bizonnette,”
@Dave Hardy and Moe
All Hail to James Bizonnette!
James Bizonnette got more famous than Romans
I was watching this and my friend was sitting across the room. I play the intro and he looks up and says “what kid gore are you watching” lol
What ever happened to The Pastry Section. Could do with The Pastry Section about now with my cappuccino
The opening is most-accurate, "Romans, they existed, some stuff happened, now they don't". Time span? 2,000 years...give or take.
True. Just like when Eric Andre said in his agnostic sermon "Jesus did some stuff, maybe..."
*1300~
@@xano2921 510 bc - 1453 is 1,963 years lol
If you think that the collapse of the Western Roman Empire is the end of the Roman Empire you could push the date up nearly a thousand years but the people we now call the Byzantines still referred to themselves as Roman and periodically controlled parts of Italy
@@MajorMlgNoob The Byzantine empire is the Roman empire just the eastern part and during the greek independence war people still refers themselves as roman so the legacy of the Roman empire last nearly 500 years after his downfall
@@MajorMlgNoob
Yeah. Before asking when Romans became Italians one should critically define what Roman and Italian even mean. Maybe then there wouldn't be reason to ask.
Hint. Romans didn't become Italians. Rome was a multicultural empire with many ethnicities and languages. Official ones being Classical Latin and Koine Greek. Today's Italian language is one continuous evolution from local dialects of Vulgar Latin.
It is amazing how effective the propaganda of Holy Romans (Germans) and the Pope has been. Think for example how many videos about the fall of Rome there are on youtube? All those videos that can't even agree on the date or the certain event that would quantify as such.
Meanwhile any serious historian knows that the Roman Empire (Imperium Romanum) factually ended in 1453 with the fall of Constantinople and the last Roman emperor Constantine XI.
Things are so messed up that if you google "the last roman emperor" google returns "Romulus" (some kid that wasn't even recognized by the ruling emperor Flavius Zeno) :)
Fun fact: The manhole covers in Rome have the "SPQR" labels on them.
Cool
Mars
It's so amazing that the original roman covers have been preserved there so long after the empire fell.
nice
@@Diamondman164 SPQR is the symbol of modern Rome, those manhole covers have nothing to do with Rome 2000 years ago.
As the famous saying goes, on the dawn of Italian Unification, “We made Italy. Now we must make Italians”
Italy and Italians have been a people long before the city state of Rome rose up. However, they fractured so much, within such a climatically diverse peninsula, that over a thousand+ years later they no longer felt a common identity. Even though they had always been geographically Italian.
"they had always been geographically Italian" what a nonsense phrase....
@@swunt10 meaning they come from Italy, which until 1861 was a geographic term. Not a country. Like saying the Iberian Peninsula. Portuguese are geographically Iberian. lol
@@michelangelomissoni945 You realize how that argument disproves what you said?
The Iberian peninsula has protuguese, spaniards, catalans, basques, galicians and others like aragonese living there. All have or had different languages and cultures. Your argument is they have always been one people like the different people that lived in what is now italy? I don't think the portuguese and spaniards feel as Iberians just like the Latins, Italics and etruscians never felt as italians. So you are talking nonsense. There never have been Italians until very recently when the Italian language and most of the culture got spread around making them italians. If you go back in time to what is now italy just a couple centuries but even more so 2000 years ago you would meet vastly different people like the portuguese and spanish are different now in their part of europe.
Meanwhile germans have always spoken german and had a german culture (with regional differences of course), nobody needed to create a german people, the problem was rather that there where too many germans so the dutch, austrians and swiss where cut at the corners to make it more practical. Italians on the other hand needed to expand over other people who spoke different languages and had vastly different cultures 2000 years ago.
@@swunt10 That’s what I am saying? I don’t understand what you don’t get? I was saying Italy was nearly a geographic idea until more recently (aka 1840’s-1861). Before then it is how you so eloquently describe. Why do you not understand that you are saying exactly what I am?
@@swunt10actually he is right and the comparison accurate: both Italy and Spain (HISPANIA) were geographical terms long before they became political states. So there were italians and hispanii in addition to being venetians, florentines, castilians, portuguese etc.
As a neapolitan living in Naples I now identity myself as an ice cream flavor
Only one?
Wait which one
Your sense of Humor is next level
Mamm r'o Carmine! Una delle cose piu orrende che abbia mai mangiato il Neapolitaner 🤣
@@trentfila6186 Neapolitan refers to all these three flavors.
When they stopped being played by British people in historical dramas.
Lmao underrated comment
It's the same with every European...
Romeo & Juliet, Much Ado About Nothing and plenty more: 😳😅
Forgive us, not many Romans are in the acting business in this day and age
Omg literally
When English speakers try to imitate the Romans they automatically do it with a British accent(south England)
I‘d like to know: How did the rest of Europe react to the Franco-Prussian war?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’m still wondering how they reacted when France allied with the Ottoman Empire at one point.
@@brandonlyon730 you mean the Crimea war right?
In short: They shat themselves. Every single major power expected a long, drawn out war, that was expected to last for years. They also expected France would win. When Germany took Paris, everyone was shocked. As a result, everyone started copying the Prussian General Staff, as well as their conscription, and mobilisation laws. The Ottomans, especially, were originally going to base their military reforms on France's army. After the war ended, they based it on the Germans, instead.
@@boombler4320 No before that, when the Ottoman Empire was at the height of its power and was seen as the biggest threat of all of Europe that even the Hasburgs couldn’t contain them.
Wow, this was a lot more descriptive than I expected for a 3 minute video, kudos mate
They would still exist if they had the financial support of James Bizonnette
True
I am sure the closest benefactor they could get was Iacomus Bisonetus
James bizonnette is our savior
And the other patrons
Yes definitely
2:42 Ah, yes Mario and Pizza. The two core values of being an Italian
👐
Super Mario
That's Cappy, therefore Capetian not Itallian
@@termeownator what about Capua. It’s Italian, no?
Japanese game character + American fast food dish = Italy
“Marble everything” lol
I dont get the reference
@@hunterhealer8022 0:22
@@hunterhealer8022 Romans made lots of stuff out of marble
fail
The U.S. called
Being culturally Italian is a beautiful definition, a bit like being German; it is not about borders and nations but identity, language and background.
And food
If that's true then why do italians hate their American descendants so much?
@@marinaaaa2735 never heard of this! I don’t
@@marinaaaa2735they mock them lovingly, but I don’t think they hate them.
German background 💀
Fun fact: There's apparently a tiny population of ethnic Greeks living in the old city of Istanbul (about 2,000), who are still called "Rumi"' - The Romans.
That and the entire Greek population being called romioi aka Romans
That, and also I seem to remember seeing something somewhere that on a few select small remote Greek islands they still consider themselves romioi (Romans) and the last remnants of the Eastern empire.
@@AndrewPonti reallyy?
The italians of Rome, 3 million people, all call themselves Romans dude.
@@InfoRome Thanks for your precious insight
people from Italy were calling themselves Italian since antiquity. In fact, one of the earliest events in the Roman Republic was a rebellion in which Italians demanded Roman citizens not just for the people in the region of the city of Rome, but for everyone in the peninsula, so there was already an identity there.
I guess it started with multiple identities (not sure about an "italian" identity though), then the conquest of Rome, then everyone identified gardually as "romans" in the italian peninsula and the empire.
You're not wrong; but there is a difference between an ancient "italic" and a modern "italian" - their connection is almost entirely a linguistic one.
While italics were just one group of people among many living in ancient italy - Italians are a conglomeration of the individual identities of the people living on the peninsula from 1400-1820 - when the idea of being italian came to formation.
@Jimmyicus No. Italics were an ethno linguistic group who lived in ancient Italy. They included Latins, Romans, Faliscans, Umbrians, and other groups.
They were not "Italians" because "Italy" was not really a concept in terms of an ethnic or national identity. It was a purely geographical term
Other people that lived beside the italics in Italy were Etruscans, Greeks, and Gauls
@@cd852 Italics were all the people living in Italy. Etruscans were considered Italics eventually. Also, there was an Italic identity as there was a Greek identity; and maybe even stronger, since the Italics cooperated with Rome to build its empire. This identity was founded on being allied to Rome; and it's also the root of the Medieval Italian identity: indeed every medieval poem about Italy (dated also before 1400 as you state) asks Italians to fight against the foreign conquerors to restore the Roman dominance in the world.
@@12_xu Italy as a national or ethnic concept did not exist.
The only correct thing you said there is that there was an italic identity.
It did NOT encompass people living all over the italian peninsula. Just because etruscans were considered italics post roman conquest, does not mean they actually were.
And greeks of magna graecia were definitely not italic in anyway.
What people fail to realize is that Italy as a geographical entity was already established before Rome, and its inhabitants were called Italic people. In fact, Italic people lived in the area a long way before Rome, and they were actually also the people who first settled in the river Tevere and founded Rome itself. Rome was an Italic city which later was conquered by the Etrurians, then gained independence and proceeded to conquer the other Italic cities and peoples, including the Etrurians themselves. But even within the long domain of the Roman Empire Italy and Italic peoples were acknowledged and considered Rome’s associates and allies with Rome as a ruling power. So the concept of Italy and Italians (Italic back then) existed before Rome, throughout Rome and after Rome. There isn’t actually a time when Romans became Italians. Romans were born as inhabitants of an Italian city and were primarily Italian people
Thank God somebody with a little bit of knowledge and common sense
Yes, it is in the Holy Bible Acts 10:1
I'm disappointed that your comment isn't in italics font
Uuuuuuuuuhh no, per nulla, che cazzo dici, che sono ste teorie stravaganti
L'Italia come concetto geografico assume la forma attuale (isole escluse) solo durante il I secolo aC-I secolo dC, l'originale "Italia" era solo la punta meridionale della Calabria, abitata da un popolo che i Greci chiamavano Italoi. Non è mai esistito, prima della tarda Repubblica Romana, un concetto di un unico popolo italico, né di molteplici popoli italici uniti da un medesimo filone genetico. Il termine "italici" in questo contesto è riferito più ampiamente a tutti i popoli che abitavano la penisola al di fuori di Romani, Greci, Etruschi e Galli, ma non esiste un legame universale che collegava tutti quei popoli, i quali non erano nemmeno tutti di stirpe indoeuropea, e la cui cultura variava comunque in maniera notevole di area in area; nemmeno la classificazione di un ceppo "italico" regge più nella tradizionale divisione delle lingue indoeuropee, ed è stata superata da due differenti classificazioni, una osco-umbra e una latino-falisca, le quali non sono necessariamente più strette geneticamente tra di loro che con qualunque altro ramo della macrofamiglia indoeuropea. Per finire, di certo non si può dire nemmeno che sia esistito davvero un popolo italico nemmeno dopo l'unificazione romana: la decentralizzazione amministrativa dell'età tardoantica e la frammentazione politica altomedievale saranno il primo motore della nascita di singole identità locali che di certo non si vedevano come appartenenti a un unico popolo "italiano" (anche solo ipotizzando che queste identità davvero si identificassero poi in alcun modo, considerato che probabilmente il tipico contadino d'età medievale aveva ben altro a cui pensare). Durante il basso Medioevo, l'idea di una generica "italianità" (non necessariamente politica, e certamente non linguistica, ma quantomeno geografica e storico-culturale) comincia a diffondersi tra le élite intellettuali, e autori come Dante e Petrarca faranno spesso riferimento a questa percepita idea di una nazione italiana definitiva molto vagamente. Da questo certamente derivò nei secoli successivi l'idea di una élite intellettuale italiana. Ma l'idea di un popolo italiano, unito in lingua e cultura? Questa idea non avrà mai alcun significato effettivo almeno fino al XVIII secolo, quando i primi discorsi unitari cominciano a farsi strada nel discorso intellettuale dell'Illuminismo, e la Rivoluzione Francese, le Guerre Napoleoniche e la Restaurazione non fecero che alimentare sempre più l'idea di una comune identità italiana a cui la stragrande maggioranza degli italiani continuava comunque a non prendere parte, né vi avrebbe preso parte fino a dopo l'Unificazione, in un lento e faticoso processo di costruzione dell'identità che attraversò tantissime fasi (dalla scolarizzazione di massa alla Grande Guerra, dal fascismo al dopoguerra e il boom economico)
"Romans were born as inhabitants of an Italian city and were primarily Italian people" erm actually Greeks were called Romans during the Byzantines era. Calling someone Roman back then was something like calling someone "European" nowdays ... means civilized. Don't forget that the Roman Empire was completely overwelmed by the Greek Civilization so much that at some point Latin was completely replaced by Greek.
The cute block head art illustrations with fuzzy hair and modern hints like Mario and the pizza had me cracking up! Engaging and informative with a great sense of humor!
Well done!
I don't have that sense of humor. I found it boorish. Fuzzy hair? I saw straight, wavy, curly, but not fuzzy.
It’s simple: Romans became Italians when they started wearing pants.
Greatest error of western civilization.
it's funny but it makes a lot of sense too
Actually..he's not wrong
lol Rome in 3rd century to the rest
Pants in rome is extremely common in 3rd to the rest until downfall of Rome
"Always has been"
_Points spaghetti with malicious intent_
@swarfega not true romans made it long ago
@swarfega pasta and noodles is not complicated lmao its just boiled dough
@swarfega that's the invention of some american PR Bloke made up the "Fact" to write some stuff an a box of crappy pasta
@swarfega wow its almost like two distinct groups thousands of miles away from each other could invent something similar separately
"You mamma'd your last mia"
My great, great, grandfather, the fantastically named Baldassare Viscardini (1830-1896) born in Mondella, Province of Como, fought alongside Garibaldi during the seconda guerra d'indipendenza italiana in 1859. He's buried in Highgate cemetery in London and his descendants live on in the South East United Kingdom.
How did he end up in england?
That name!
wtf
@@XMarkxyz because unification of what is called italy had been sponsorized by England...it's a fact
And Garibaldi is now only known for biscuits!😂
I always wondered about this. You crammed an amazing amount into a 3 and a half minute video!! Nice job!
You can say that about all nationalities.
‘They existed, then some stuff happened, now they don’t’ probably the most ubiquitous historical statement of all time 😂
Did he just "yada-yada" hundreds of years of Imperial conquest?
It's a me, Morte.
E porto corona.
Il re del sud è qui
Allora non siamo soli, Odino (mortebianca) è con noi, pensavo di essere l'unico italiano a seguire questi canali di storia. Già che ci sono, avrei bisogno di aiuto per ottenere più contenuti riguardanti l'italia, come nel canale ww2 della community timeghost.
Is it Italian or Latin?
@@itsblitz4437 Italian
@@itsblitz4437 that's italian.
The latin version might be "Ego Mors sum, et coronam porto.
"Its not impossible to govern the Italians, merely useless."
-A guy who wanted to be Caesar
I see u are a man of culture as well. But let me say that Caesar would be so frustrated, because u have compared him with someone who is as idiot as (mmm I dunno) actually most of political parties in Italy.
Giovanni Giolitti is one of the many politicians this was attributed to, 1901
@Simone De Filippo certo ahahah un generale che si vende ai germani. Ricorda un po' Arminio più che Cesare. Ma per piacere. Infatti da grande Cesare quale non era ci ha lasciato un'Italia ancora oggi preda del comunismo più becero, mischiato con progressismo e globalismo, e abbiamo definitivamente perso ogni possibilità di riallacciare rapporti con Corsica, Istria e dalmazia. Gg per mvssolini
@Simone De Filippo il pesce puzza dalla testa. Che gli italiani siano per la maggiore disertori, traditori, di attitudine mafiosa e inaffidabili beh grazie hai scoperto davvero l'acqua calda. Per l'appunto dunque, conoscendo questa attitudine, non doveva fare gran parte delle cose che ha fatto, a mio parere. Guarda in Portogallo o in Spagna. Governi autocratici sono sopravvissuti fino agli anni 70, di stampo ultra nazionalista, senza dover per forza incappare in conflitti mondiali per poi uscirsene sconfitti e smembrati. La frase che disse sugli italiani, impossibili da governare, si ha ragione, ma non va declinata come una scusa per dire che mvssolini non ha fatto nulla di sbagliato in vita sua. Lvi doveva fare una cosa, senza chiamare in causa albori e fasti Dell impero di cui ha studiato ben poco a riguardo (visto poi con chi è andato ad allearsi), fare profonde riforme per unire e industrializzate l Italia da fiume al Brennero fino a Lampedusa. Stop. Chi troppo vuole, alla fine della fiera, nulla stringe.
@@diegomarchesini2141 Mi sono quasi scordato di come gli Italiani scrivono in modo bizzarro. Fiere, pesci e acqua calda...wut? lol
I'm Neapolitan and i'm from Naples, in my city all of us always said "i'm Neapolitan and not Italian" but the truth is we are Italians and also Romans
I don't know man. I have been to Napoli, and it is like being in an alien world. That language of yours.
On the other hand, Italia has been the name for the peninsula since Roman times, and Dante already spoke of Italy as his native country/region, even though his identification with Florence was much stronger.
Legio 1 Romana Italica. The first professional Legion. Only recruited from 6ft tall(180cm) men. Which I find funny that so many such tall people existed in italy back then. Since the romans were scares of the germans for all being massively tall
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti6 romans foot were 1.77 not 1.80, in the Roman Empire if you were 6' romans foot or taller you were considered very tall, becouse the average height of men was 1.65 and the average legionnaire was 1.70.
That's a stupid lie, italia was not the name of the peninsula...
That just means he didn't think the Milanese were a bunch of foreigners, but just sort of odd.
"When Did the Romans Become Italians?"
As soon as Civ stops using Rome as a shoe-in for an Italian civ
Bugs me too
That is a good point, Civ 6 already has the Byzantines and Greeks who ruled over the same area at different times. No reason we can't have the Romans and Italians. Giuseppe Garibaldi would be a great leader choice.
@@NeoMark627 ye
Considering the Greek civ often represents *all* the city-states of Classical Greece, i don't see why they couldn't do it for, say, Renaissance Italy.
Lorenzo de Medici, Cesare Borgia, Gian Galeazzo Visconti and Pope Julius II could all be excellent picks for that.
@@NeoMark627 Vittorio Emanuele II, with Turin as capital, would be best. bugs me too, very much
When they made Pizza, of course. Also, "Romans existed" is a new meme now.
fun fact: the Roman writer Vergil describes Rome's mythical ancestor eating tomato-less pizza as soon as they arrive on the shores of Italy...
fun fact about Pizza, The Aeneid refers to Aeneas (legendary[read fictional] founder of Rome) knowing where to settle Rome as the place where they eat their tables, i.e. pizza. The Aeneid was written before 0 AD and refers to pizza as being ancient from before Rome. So while tomato sauce is relatively new, pizza itself probably predated Rome.
Also Mario was their
They played mario kart all day also
@@wibblywobblysineline509 Aeneas wasn't the founder of Rome, he founded Lavinium
I have wondered about this for a long time. I am grateful someone thought to make this video.
if james bisonette ever stops being a patreon, these videos will never be the same.
I mean James Bisonnette jokes can be funny, but at this point, the video which is supposed to be a historical documentary has a comment section filled with James Bisonnette jokes
Lets donate to James Bisonette so he never stop donating to History matters
Anyone wanna trump James Bisonette's Patreon donation so that their name comes first instead of his? Who has deep pockets?
@@artanisplays3982 Are you suggesting James Bisonette start a Patreon to keep up his Patreoning? It's BRILLIANT!
@@artanisplays3982
I love this. 😂
0:46 I love how you drew that Goth 🤣
When Did the Romans Become Italians? Answer: Some time in the pasta. (Commencing seeing of myself out...)
Rubbish. It was when they built the leaning tower of pizza.
I give that comment;
🍅🍅🍅🍅
@ annoyed707---what a saucy answer!
@ annoyed707---what a saucy answer!
You son of a .... LOLz
Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!
Many Italians still refer to their region when they meet other Italians. For many Italian being Napolitan or Scillian and so on comes first. My grandad did not learn Italian until he had to fight in ww2 he only spoke local dialect. My nan on the other hand, don't think she ever learned proper Italian ever
@Demy Troy maybe you can't communicate in Italian with some nonne or nonni over 70/80 years old just because they didn't go to school, I'm 56 years old and I speak proper Italian, my mother is 78 years old and she studied only for 5 years but she speaks Sardinian and proper Italian, my grandmother spoke only Sardinian, as you can see you can find easily Italians that can speak proper Italian and even a sort of English 😁
I know some from Apullia and they also only say Apullia
@Varoon Interesting, i'm an italian (better tuscan) with french roots from the Provence. I'm curious: did people from Provence felt disconnected as well from the generic concept of being "french" or they felt totally french?
That's true for most nations 😅
You are localists like us in Greece. Nothing bad about it.
Yes but the peninsula was called Italia since pre-Roman times, the Romans spent a good deal of effort subjugating the other Italian peoples, and the idea that there was a territory called Italia and to some degree an understanding that even in the empire there could be Italians versus Syrians versus Africans and so on among the empire's population was present. So technically the Romans were a subset of Italians, absorbed all the other Italians, extended their name to a lot of non Italians, and then their empire collapsed and the people in Italian slowly started calling themselves Italians. Or even something more local. They didn't make the name up when Rome fell.
i mean even during roman times that area was in the province of italia... although northern italy spent some time being called cisalpine gaul
@@goranpersson7726 and the south being magna grecia...
@@cabellones It was Romans that called it Magna Graecia, not certainly the people there. Also there were already Italic people in the south long before Greeks.
@@alessandrom7181 after 400 years of greek and punic assimilaton, they were a minority in there...
greeks wee mostly predominant
wrong . calabria was called italia . not the whole peninsula . that was ancient greek times
Well, i'd say there was some loose idea of "Italian-ness" even before the Renaissance. Dante Alighieri recognised Italy as a distinct cultural entity in the 1300s and he wasn't the first to mention it either.
The idea of an italian culture preceded even the roman empire itself.
In 80 bc, during the republic, the italians revolted agsinst Rome asking for more rights, and they already called themselves "italici".
There is a difference between one person identifing multiple peoples as similar and how the peoples indentify themselves.
@@lhistorienchipoteur9968 maybe because in the year 3000 before Christ identifications weren’t a thing or had the modern meaning?
@@Boretheory Don't know. I know some basic facts but that's not in my knowledge.
@@riccardopio294 Well, dividing the days of Roman expansion between pre-Augustus and post-Augustus is an anachronism, the "Roman Empire" can really be dated to well before the Social Wars, even before the Samnite Wars a few centuries earlier. IIRC the Romans started referring to the peninsula itself as "Italia" (rather than just the tiny southern region in Calabria) during the Samnite wars as they accrued more and more territory. It was specifically BECAUSE OF this expansion and specifically Roman re-purposing of the term that the 'socii' found it useful to use the term. But if you want to specify the empire as only coming into existence when Augustus came to power... well, it ignores actual history but it might be useful in an academic sense, kinda like calling the eastern Roman empire "the Byzantine Empire" even though no such thing existed until some historian invented the term centuries after its collapse.
Thank you for this wonderful video. It answers a question that's been on my mind for a while.
2:19 PSA: When visiting Napoli, please don't lick locals.
Hey, she liked it.
That joke doesnt work in Italy. Is Neapolitan a kind of ice-cream in the US?
@@lorisuprifranz Yes, a popular ice cream flavor, hence the joke.
It depends on the napolitan. Some of them might be very worth licking, haha.
Speak for yourself, some of us might be ok with that
0:38 “Salve” is the same in Italian as well.
salve means to save in spanish
@@gametester490 in Italian (and Latin) it means “hello” but in a more polite manner.
For some fuckin reason, salve in English is like an ointment or something
@@marktaylor2087 you mean salvia, an herb, called the same in Spanish and portuguese
@@gametester490 I do not mean salvia. Which is "a" herb, not "an" herb.
From Wikipedia Genetic history of Italy:
Based on DNA analysis, there is evidence of ancient regional genetic substructure and continuity within modern Italy dating to the pre-Roman and early Roman periods. DNA analysis also demonstrates that ancient Greek colonization had a significant lasting effect on the local genetic landscape of Southern Italy and Sicily (Magna Graecia), with modern people from that region having significant Greek admixture. Latin samples from Rome in the Republican (early Roman) period, were generally found to genetically cluster closest to modern Northern and Central Italians (four out of six were closest to Northern and Central Italians, while the other two were closest to Southern Italians).
Genetics don't really matter - When it comes to Rome it is more of a legal question, than an ethnic one.
@@Bln-f9u You're right, but some are trying to say that Italians are not related to Italic peoples, and what they are saying is false.
Italians are Romans the same way Mexicans are Aztecs. They have genetics from them, but they have been mixed with invading populations so often that its hard to call them the same people. Alot of older cultures are like that. The amount of Viking blood in people from Ireland is silly.
@@Gumblethebear You have to prove that. Mexico has been massively colonized: Italy?
@@englishteacher1865 thoose studies are nice. i discover that dna in my country (france) we still have hudge part of celtic legacy instead of germanic Frank and Roman (but they are both the other majors contributor to our dna
I absolutely love how you depicted Victor Emmanuel II and Cavour
I absolutely love that math problem you put on that chalkboard near the end. Mario's hat plus pizza equals Italian
Except to actual Italian born or 1st maybe 2nd generations of Italians living outside of Italy.
"Dance! Dance, you amusing little stereotype!"
Summary: Romans became Italians when they started allying with the British to defeat vampires and Aztec gods.
While being helped by a Nazi Cyborg and later Magic Ghost people
Add Texas to this and you have an average match of Age of Empires 2.
@@yukondave8389 a man of culture
giorno
*holy dubstep starts playing*
"Neaopolitans"
**shows an ice cream**
I love this channel so much
I randomly checked on one of the facts in your other video
and was relieved that it was correct
This is a nice channel
and this is an interesting topic and a vague space in my knowledge
This is an often forgotten part of history that is rarely covered. Thank you.
Also, thanks for continuing to create *short* videos. 20-30 minute videos really eat into my time.
The thumbnail's joke will go over many people's head
Animorphs
I don’t get it
Damn, I read those books as a kid and even I didn't pick up on it lol
Didn’t get it until I took another look after reading your comment. Nice Animorphs reference. Lol
Indeed, I was quite impressed by the deep cut.
One thing I love about this is channel is that every topic is something I have always wanted to know but have never thought about.
How do you come up with all your video ideas?
James Bissonette, ask him.
I'm curious about the answer to this as well.
@@JB-yb4wn Wait...your initials...is it...could it be???
@@wyattangle
No, I am but the messenger. All bow to the great Bissonette! 😔
@@wyattangle the legendary james bissonette actually commented on 1 video
Bruh the Italian peninsula has always existed and the Romans called themselves Italics like all the inhabitants of Italy at the time.
Even the writers of 1000-1500 years ago referred to themselves as Italians, because they lived in the Italian Peninsula and spoke ancient Italian which was initially the Florentine dialect derived directly from Latin.
The united nation of today was born in 1861 when it was definitively reunified under the single name of Italy.
But Italy and the Italic race like the Romans existed since before the Roman Empire, like the Greeks.
The Gauls weren't Italics, nor the Greeks.
pizza + mario = Italy, that right there is some academic level formula. 10/10
I know a guy who is 30 years old and says "don't call me Italian, I'm Sicilian. " so I think some of the people are still identifying by region of birth. Very interesting to me.
I'm not italian, I'm venetian. Veneto Stato.
Theres a book by Morris West(The Salamander) that states that as well. Apparently there's a lot of people who identify themselves first with their region and then by the country.
Or at least they make sure to let you know from which region they are from.
I've met 3 Italians in my life. All of them said "I'm Italian, from [insert Rome, Sicily or Napoli here]"
So for me, who lives in Moldova, an ethnical romanian I may call myself a Cimislian. Awesome
Actually more now than 150 years ago. Since the 90's regionalism become very popular across Europe, in particular in Italy and Spain.
I, a 24 years old italian, when asked where I come from I always specify that I'm Lombard AND Italian
Rome, forever alive in our hearts.
Reminds of this wonderful song of Rome total war Rome forever by jeff van Dyke lol. His wife had a nice voice
Love the "We can paint now" sign.
I remember when the comments section wasn't filled with James Bissonette jokes..
Yeah it gets old.
I think it was sometime around the time the Romans became Italians.
There's only one way for it to end - not have that same d*mn sentence at the end of every video - "I'd like to thank my patrons..."
@@Dayvit78 He did change the order a few times but anytime he didnt start off with james bizonette people would comment on it.
Can someone please explain the whole James Bisonette thing to me? I am a somewhat new subscriber.
Imagine an Italian hopping in a time machine to visit the Romans.
Roman: “You’re from my future? I can’t wait to hear about all the great military glories my descendants have achieved!”
Italian: 😬
-Angry mussolini noises-
Good laugh on that one! 😄😄😄😄👍
At least they still have an unstable government. Some traditions never die.
'Well... we're good at Eurovision. And at football, except for last World Cup"
and tutti fruitti
Makes you wonder how the Chinese managed to maintain a Chinese “ethnicity” when they basically have a ton of dialects and regional histories that is akin to the Roman Empire and successor states like Italy, Spain, France, etc.
They share a common linguistic and cultural ancestry, but they’re obviously not the same.
Han go brrrrr
Because of the fact they had concept of single, centralized country for very long time.
Key word is "centralized".
Chinese Empires had much higher control over territories than most of Eurasian empires before industrial revolution.
@@vladprus4019 This along with a unified writing system probably is the answer.
Same shit with "arabs"
@@duck1ente Arabs never really lived in an Arabstan or whatever, they’re analogous to the Hispanicization of Latin America, where it just became a cultural and language thing.
Fun fact: before the fall of the Republic, the Senate fought a war against its own Italian allies. It was called the Social War named after what the Romans called the Italian allies (Socii) and it was a tactical victory but strategic loss. Much like in Greece, Rome may have conquered Italy, but the Socii conquered the Romans, and the Social War was when they gained true representation in the Senate, which was then extended during and after the Marius/Sulla showdown.
*VIDEO SUGGESTION:*
Why does Monaco exist?
Monaco. It exists. Why? Why did this happen? Why does Monaco... exist?
Monaco exist because it want to exist.
Because MoNeY
Corrupt politicians and mobsters need somewhere to stash their ill gotten gains where the arm of the law cannot reach
Short answer: When they've stopped rome-ing other countries.
When they stoped being ROME-antique
Well Rome when from 1 million to a few thousands, I guess that is when it all ended.
"Noi fummo da secoli calpesti, derisi
Perché non siam popolo, perché siam divisi"
Or, for non italian viewers:
"We have been for centuries thrashed, laughed at
'Cause we're not a People, 'cause we are divided"
-Second verse of the Italian anthem
Puoi anche cancellarlo, meglio che non lo veda nessuno
@@alessiocataldi2434 Mameli voleva mandare un appello a gli'Italiani, in quel momento non eravamo uniti pero poi ci siamo uniti ed abbiamo vinto!
È giusto! Però io intendevo cancellare il post per non farlo vedere a nessuno, non è un vanto essere stati calpesti e derisi, è meglio che il mondo non sappia.
@@PaoloMG vinto? Vinto che?
@@luciusdomitiusaurelianus5334 la coppa del nonno
All I know is that I love Italy and its people! Love its history too .l can put my fingers on the Colosseum and see the Roman centurions marching towards me... wonderful.
They didn't watch skillshare, so they couldn't survive.
It was all due to a lack of SquareSpace, Audible and Nord VPN.
no they not playing raid shadow legend
@@CallieMasters5000 lol
My favorite roman emporor was Jamus Bizzonetus.
Ahhh, Belisarius, one of the best generals no one has ever heard of.
and that’s what made him so useful :P
I’ve heard of him and can attest, He indeed was one of greatest generals in history. Too bad his Emperor didn’t appreciate him as much as he should have. He was the general responsible for much of the reconquest of western Rome for Eastern Rome some call the Byzantine empire for emperor Justinian that’s a lot hope I remembered it in right order. Been a while but no general outside Hannibal was as innovative as General Belisarius.
I have in a mobile game app lol
@@SHADOOjoey
Learning about Rome from history books: ❌
Learning about Rome from European War 7: ✅
I have. How can you forgot a name like that?
The unification of Italy is quite a recent thing: 1815-1871. The colour representing the royal family that ruled the united nation was blue, which is why the Italian football team wear blue, and are one of a few countries that don’t wear colours pertaining to their flag, in Italy’s case - 🇮🇹
Spain wears Red!
Can you do a video answering the question “how did people react to the fall of France in ww2” I think this is a pretty interesting topic that not a lot of people talk about that
UK: "You were my brother, France... You were supposed to fight the Germans not _join_ them!"
@@TailsIsDisappointed France: I seen what you did to Ireland and India. I rather being a slave to Germany than to you.
@@Toonrick12 Vietnam and Algeria: Hypocritical much?
News: "Germany has defeat France and the Low Countries in 6 weeks!"
Literally everyone: Good joke.
News: "...."
Everyone: "We are doomed..."
Germany: :-)
"History Matters": *breathes*
James Bizanette: whom'st has summoned the almighty one?
Corsica is french today. I cry every time I think of that.
Blew my mind when I learnt that Napoleon was actually Italian.
@@gazpachopolice7211 It's usually foreigners that make the most efficient rulers who show up and fix up your shit
Yea Corsica was like the main possession of Genoa since forever, but after the 7 years war when France pretty much lost everything to the British like in India and North America, their last annexation of theirs before the revolution was some kind of deal they made with the Genoese to give them the island in exchange of some sort of guarantees or whatever. can't remember the details. Anyways by the time napoleon went to the artillery academy in France as a boy was just a few years after that so many snobs there never saw him exactly as french citizen.
@@Iason29 Republic of Genoa was in insane debt so they gave Corsica to France to cover debt payment. Insane right
@@aceofhearts573 Oh wow ok thanks for telling me, Seems the genoese did same corrupt shit as the Venetians. I didn't know this. I knew the Venetians for example began the 18th century insanely rich because of their successes the two previous centuries and by 1800 they had nothing left because all the rich families and people too squandered their wealth on gambling, festivals and building huge mansions. People love going to Venice today thinking the palazzos on the great channel are the greatest thing without realizing most of the buildings in Venice are practically "new" and also represent Venice's downfall.
Love this page and it’s content! But, i think you should consider adding like 2 minutes to these extra short videos and it would make the content a lot clearer and easier to remember lol
Italians are still Romans for me, if they live in the former heart of the Roman Empire
"we'll be back"
Love your vids mate
Greeks: We're Romans.
Germans: We're Italians.
Italians: We're Venitians.
I am roman. And im not greek 😏. Im italian. Ha .
@@giuvannicammora2821 the Greeks are the people with the most Roman dna 😉
@@stephmod7434 i know it
😅
I am "roman" and i have italian, greek and germanic DNA 😅😍❤️❤️❤️😅
@@giuvannicammora2821 yes
@@stephmod7434 Ahahahahahaha nope.
And it matters less than culture
*There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,*
Acts 10:1
circa 40AD, 'band' meaning a specific cohort of the Legion (in this case Legio X Fretensis)
See also Tacitus writings on 'band' meaning a cohort of a legion.
Gruter also gives an inscription in which the Italian band is mentioned, which was found on a marble table in the Forum Sempronii.
Also:
*And when it was determined that we should sail into Italy, they delivered Paul and certain other prisoners unto one named Julius, a centurion of Augustus' band.*
Acts 27:1
That ice cream gag had me rolling for a few minutes.
The bit at 2:34 with all the soldiers wobbling along is hilarious to me
Fun fact: Odoacer, the first King of Italy after the fall of Rome, had a rival named Theodoric, who was an effective conqueror and supported by the Eastern Roman Emperor. Odoacer, knowing Theodoric would defeat him eventually, invited Theoderic to a banquet where they would sign an agreement to become JOINT kings of Italy.
Theodoric showed up to the banquet, made a toast, killed all of Odoacer's party, cut down Odoacer with his sword, and then hunted down and murdered everyone who supported Odoacer in the kingdom. And that's how Theodoric became the second King of Italy. Apparently after all the murdering was done, his rule was quite prosperous for a while.
Its kinda patheric really. You are the first person in 800 years to Sack rome. Shattered a sense of dignity of the most powerful empire ever and then turned around and got your ass handed to you in a platter.
Sometimes you gotta go to war to get peace.
Good job with video found it be informative and educational thank you. 😊
Italian Nationalism Formula
Mario+Pizza+Hand Gesture =🇮🇹
You missing an empire there mate
A pfp of culture
Mario is a japanese character...pizza is one of thousand italians products (you are too blind to know others). Hand Gesture? Each people has them. Look for De Funés films.
+Beautiful Women
That Animorphs thumbnail is top notch. A+.
"When they invented pizza" I hope you enjoyed this episode and thank you for watching, with a special thanks to my patreons...
Cheesus Crust!
Hilarious and so original!😂
The printing press meant that books could be mass distributed in local languages rather than written by hand by monks in Latin. And so it became necessary for scholars to define "official" spellings, grammar and vocabulary for the language rather than relying on regional dialects. Which were then taught to people in schools leading to the creation of a common history and culture and forming a national identity.
Great video as usual!
Maybe you should consider doing a video on the Norman conquest of southern Italy/Sicily, despite being the lesser-known Norman conquest it's still an interesting and often forgotten episode of Italian history.
In Virgil’s Aeneid, the term Italian is frequently used. It was written between 29-19 BCE.
Yes, it is significant that he does that, as the term in prior centuries had referred to only the southernmost part of what became known as Calabria. Virgil is using the term in a different way than had been the case in prior generations, a unifying way, as fits with his narrative.
You can also ask the question in reverse as "When did Italians start calling themselves Romans?" Most of Italy, that were not in/around Rome became Roman citizens around 90-87 B.C. as a result of the Social War.
The soft brush edge for the characters hair is genius. 10/10
😂😂😂 always the guy frolicking in the field of daisies.. it always cracks me up
After they touched Elfangor's blue cube and absorbed some Italian DNA.
Glad someone else remembers Animorphs!
I really like the thumbnail. I loved those Animorphs books back in the day.
The guy running in the field with the caption marble everything is one of the best things I've seen in my life
Since the Roman Empire originated in Italy, it doesn't come as a surprise that Roman history and culture play a huge part in Italian national identity.
Italy is just a tiny part of Rome , you donar speak Latin but Italian for a reason …
@@AKUMABOWSER ?
This is actually a question I’ve rhetorically asked the universe for quite some time, so thanks for manifesting a reply!
OMG, someone just explained a history thing in UNDER an hour! I love that! Maybe it's overly simplified, but so was Covid.
I chuckle all the way through these animations, but I belly laughed so hard at the Neapolitan ice cream I nearly ruptured something. Well done!
This was hilarious. Great content as always dude. You make me proud to a history major
I love these videos but would have liked some history on how the terms, "Italy" and "Italian" came about
It’s not clear the name Italy comes from. It could have been the name of an ancient king that ruled southern Italy, or it could have come from the fact that Italos means boot in Greek. We don’t know for certainly
One of the proposed etymologies of the word that I've read somewhere was that it originated from 'Vitalus' which translated to "the land of the calves".
That's all I have.
Italia Is an ancient word representing the province that separated Cisalpine Gaul from Italy at the river Rubicon. The area around Rome was called Latium
Rome didn't suddently vanish, It just withered and faded out of existence over history.
Rome still exists dude. it's the capital of Italy and it's inhabited by 3 millions people.
@@InfoRome I meant the nation Rome as in the Roman Republic, Roman empire etc. Not the city of Rome...
My family is from Lombardi and man is nice to learn about your ancestors homeland.