Hearing Intel M series again reminds me of my HP Elite X2. Without active cooling it nearly burnt me on many occasions with how much heat it dumped into its metal chassis. Glad to be rid of it, honestly.
Boogercam! I remember feeling VERY excited about the Core M chips and how to me they were going to bring up a new wave of 11" computing, after the Netbook wave... Then the 12" MacBook came along with some of the worst thermal performance of any laptop ever (despite being still today among the most beautiful laptops ever)... and then came these laptops. Honestly, what is the point of installing a ULV chip in a form factor that was intended for Core U parts? It almost felt like the downgrade we all suffered when going through Haswell, when all vendors switched from M to U CPUs, irreversibly hampering the price-to-performance ratio. Luckily, consumers were having none of that and rejected these products. Only LattePanda and GPD made devices that justified the use of a Core M part, the rest simply didn't bother, they stuck with Mont cores (Atom, Celeron and Pentium) in the lower end or kept up with constrained 15W U parts in the premium tier. Of course, Intel was to blame as well. The original Core M parts were the best-known Broadwell core chips, which is telling of how ephemeral and failed 5th gen Core i was, and despite the low power, they could ramp up in heat whenever Turbo Boost kicked in, making many passive-cooled setups borderline incapable (no wonder LattePanda and GPD use active fans in their devices). That and Intel wanted the higher margins, and Core U was that. We can talk about yields as well, but that was just an issue with the original 5Y series, not the later 6Y and 7Y. To this day, Intel still has a 5-7W part available, even in Alder Lake, but I hardly see anyone using it. In fact, what's funny out of all this is that the old Core M series surplus is used by Chinese OEMs to sell cheap 12 and 13" devices in developing markets (at least they use active fans in their form factors and aren't boneheaded like Apple was). Not putting the USB-Cs in a daughterboard is a crime, especially when there's a Thunderbolt controller on the way and ready to wreak havoc at any time (remember the T480s). Anyways, DELL being DELL...
I actually had one of these in 2017 before selling it for a Mid 2017 13-inch MacBook Pro. To me, it just felt like a business-class Dell XPS 13 (probably from that bezel).
That horrendous webcam placement! At first I thought it was a Dell XPS 13 non-touch cuz of that webcam placement but welp this laptop has followed the suit too! I don't get about the worst webcam placing on this despite there's some bezel on the top.
It's really an business version of the XPS, but neutered. Beautiful though.. that keyboard is great but I would take a 7490 or 7400 any day over it. But you can still easily run a Linux distro and as long as your not doing anything beyond surfing or office apps, one wouldn't notice much. Hint: If you had the high resolution screen you also get a beautiful carbon fiber lid like you would find on the 7400. The last tidbit I would like to mention is that while the screen is generally beautiful, and a decent lighted keyboard, this model was expensive. Like nearly MacBook pro expensive and while the XPS 13 isn't expandable, it makes more sense unless and this was why this model exists.. unless your administering a large corporation or need that subjectively better keyboard. As a Latitude model it contains vpro hardware and is generally compatible with the **70/**80 family images making fast deployment and administering a snap and big corporations will pay big money for such things. Consumers not so much. But if I was say a writer and just couldn't find the XPS's chicklet style just a bit too whatever and you had to have that beautiful screen.. and had deep enough pockets, well to each to their own. But I would rather have the fan cooled processing power and expandability so my Latitude 7400 with that carbon fiber lid takes the cake for me. It may not have that Izzo panel like the XPS but it has ports and removable ram oh and some room to breath. I love my 2019 XPS developer's edition all the way, but it can't keep up with my 7400 at all. People looking for even more power should look to the Latitude 5401 by the way, that's got a full 45 watt cpu in the same 14 inch form factor. You'll get a slightly less quality display over the 7400, but gain massively on the computing end of things. Oh and you can get a dedicated gpu too. But it does run hot. Packing 6 core and 12 threads definitely creates some heat.
Pretty terrible laptop overall hell I would use just about anything like a T61 over this especially with that charging port being so horrendous wow. Certainty a far cry from something of quality like an M4600 for example that just works. I really don't like modern laptop design in general.
Haha, I bought this a few months second-hand and love it. ;-) Siiiiiiiilent!!! And it's surely not a fast laptop, but it's snappy enough for surfing and office work or simple stereo audio recording -- which I also love that it makes no noise.
I'm surprised the USB-C/Thunderbolt ports aren't on a separate board like on the Dell Latitude 7480. But overall, a very nice looking laptop minus the webcam.
Thanks for the video! I use an XPS 13 9360/FHD/8GB with i5-8250U as my own cheaper version of this, a non-nonsense business machine. I love the screen, battery life, and reliability-- I just hate the trackpad, which jumps around frustratingly. The keyboard isn't fantastic either, so I am going to try an HP EliteBook 845 G7 to see if it can replace my XPS 13 as a reliable everyday work laptop.
i have one with the core m7 and 16gb of ram , and at time , with all new drivers installed and a new 2tb samsung m.2 ssd , it fealsjust amazing , not like now days outrabook like the dell xps series , but kinda close to that lap , and y never had truble with the thundervolt ports in deed i use them alot and they are prety neet for any propuse , its like the xps13 for buissnes with more ports than the mencion xps and still dont have anny assues to day , very comparable to now days ultrabook on the batery side , such a machine i love it
Hearing Intel M series again reminds me of my HP Elite X2. Without active cooling it nearly burnt me on many occasions with how much heat it dumped into its metal chassis. Glad to be rid of it, honestly.
Yeah Intel M chips need lots of mass to move that heat into successfully.
Boogercam!
I remember feeling VERY excited about the Core M chips and how to me they were going to bring up a new wave of 11" computing, after the Netbook wave...
Then the 12" MacBook came along with some of the worst thermal performance of any laptop ever (despite being still today among the most beautiful laptops ever)... and then came these laptops.
Honestly, what is the point of installing a ULV chip in a form factor that was intended for Core U parts? It almost felt like the downgrade we all suffered when going through Haswell, when all vendors switched from M to U CPUs, irreversibly hampering the price-to-performance ratio. Luckily, consumers were having none of that and rejected these products.
Only LattePanda and GPD made devices that justified the use of a Core M part, the rest simply didn't bother, they stuck with Mont cores (Atom, Celeron and Pentium) in the lower end or kept up with constrained 15W U parts in the premium tier.
Of course, Intel was to blame as well. The original Core M parts were the best-known Broadwell core chips, which is telling of how ephemeral and failed 5th gen Core i was, and despite the low power, they could ramp up in heat whenever Turbo Boost kicked in, making many passive-cooled setups borderline incapable (no wonder LattePanda and GPD use active fans in their devices). That and Intel wanted the higher margins, and Core U was that. We can talk about yields as well, but that was just an issue with the original 5Y series, not the later 6Y and 7Y.
To this day, Intel still has a 5-7W part available, even in Alder Lake, but I hardly see anyone using it. In fact, what's funny out of all this is that the old Core M series surplus is used by Chinese OEMs to sell cheap 12 and 13" devices in developing markets (at least they use active fans in their form factors and aren't boneheaded like Apple was).
Not putting the USB-Cs in a daughterboard is a crime, especially when there's a Thunderbolt controller on the way and ready to wreak havoc at any time (remember the T480s). Anyways, DELL being DELL...
Thanks for sharing some Intel history!
for whatever reason i find the dell keyboards from their latitude 7450 to 7490 more comfy than thinkpads of the same age, i might be crazy
Keyboards are a real personal thing.
I actually had one of these in 2017 before selling it for a Mid 2017 13-inch MacBook Pro. To me, it just felt like a business-class Dell XPS 13 (probably from that bezel).
I understand the comparison, especially in terms of design language.
That horrendous webcam placement! At first I thought it was a Dell XPS 13 non-touch cuz of that webcam placement but welp this laptop has followed the suit too!
I don't get about the worst webcam placing on this despite there's some bezel on the top.
Yeah, it really kills it for me.
It's really an business version of the XPS, but neutered. Beautiful though.. that keyboard is great but I would take a 7490 or 7400 any day over it. But you can still easily run a Linux distro and as long as your not doing anything beyond surfing or office apps, one wouldn't notice much. Hint: If you had the high resolution screen you also get a beautiful carbon fiber lid like you would find on the 7400. The last tidbit I would like to mention is that while the screen is generally beautiful, and a decent lighted keyboard, this model was expensive. Like nearly MacBook pro expensive and while the XPS 13 isn't expandable, it makes more sense unless and this was why this model exists.. unless your administering a large corporation or need that subjectively better keyboard. As a Latitude model it contains vpro hardware and is generally compatible with the **70/**80 family images making fast deployment and administering a snap and big corporations will pay big money for such things. Consumers not so much. But if I was say a writer and just couldn't find the XPS's chicklet style just a bit too whatever and you had to have that beautiful screen.. and had deep enough pockets, well to each to their own. But I would rather have the fan cooled processing power and expandability so my Latitude 7400 with that carbon fiber lid takes the cake for me. It may not have that Izzo panel like the XPS but it has ports and removable ram oh and some room to breath. I love my 2019 XPS developer's edition all the way, but it can't keep up with my 7400 at all. People looking for even more power should look to the Latitude 5401 by the way, that's got a full 45 watt cpu in the same 14 inch form factor. You'll get a slightly less quality display over the 7400, but gain massively on the computing end of things. Oh and you can get a dedicated gpu too. But it does run hot. Packing 6 core and 12 threads definitely creates some heat.
Thanks for sharing your experience with these models!
Pretty terrible laptop overall hell I would use just about anything like a T61 over this especially with that charging port being so horrendous wow. Certainty a far cry from something of quality like an M4600 for example that just works. I really don't like modern laptop design in general.
That charging port I think is a sample of one but the comments will tell if others had the same problem.
Same. I'm watching this video on a Gateway tablet PC from 2003, running Linux. Also, don't speak of the T61 as if it's a bad thing. They're amazing!
Haha, I bought this a few months second-hand and love it. ;-) Siiiiiiiilent!!! And it's surely not a fast laptop, but it's snappy enough for surfing and office work or simple stereo audio recording -- which I also love that it makes no noise.
Glad it works well for you!
@@LaptopRetrospective Compared to the Latitude 7480 which would you say is perfect?
Is worth to take the touch screen edition with 16gb of ram, m5 at 220€ (Italy)?
If it will meet your needs, that's the important thing. Regional pricing can make things difficult to compare.
I'm surprised the USB-C/Thunderbolt ports aren't on a separate board like on the Dell Latitude 7480. But overall, a very nice looking laptop minus the webcam.
Yeah, the webcam is a deal breaker for me.
@@LaptopRetrospective What's even more sad is, my ThinkPad T440s has a better webcam.
At least they put it in a sensible place.
@@LaptopRetrospective True
ThinkPad with core M are almost non-exist (apart from some X1 tablet/11e model maybe…), it makes that Latitude have no real competitor
Good point. Reminds me of the new X13S they have now.
@@LaptopRetrospective The X13S.....that uses a Qualcomm chip though, doesn't it?
Yes, but I was thinking of a light CPU laptop with good battery life and I had it on the brain. 😂
The 11e didn't use a Core M part, only Core i3 U parts, but the lower-end stuff.
.. Cheers to you ..
I'm thinking about buying this with the m7, 16gb ram , 4k display for $180 usd what do u think ?
Specs sound nice but that web camera is a hard no from me.
@@LaptopRetrospective well I don't use web cams so sounds good for me
If you're not going to use the webcam then sounds good. 👍
how's the battery life performance
This is NOT a thinkpad! DISAVOW!!
Haha, don't worry, more of those to come.
Thanks for the video! I use an XPS 13 9360/FHD/8GB with i5-8250U as my own cheaper version of this, a non-nonsense business machine. I love the screen, battery life, and reliability-- I just hate the trackpad, which jumps around frustratingly. The keyboard isn't fantastic either, so I am going to try an HP EliteBook 845 G7 to see if it can replace my XPS 13 as a reliable everyday work laptop.
I hope to get some hands on time on a few XPS13's one day as I know they're popular, same for modern Elite books.
i have one with the core m7 and 16gb of ram , and at time , with all new drivers installed and a new 2tb samsung m.2 ssd , it fealsjust amazing , not like now days outrabook like the dell xps series , but kinda close to that lap , and y never had truble with the thundervolt ports in deed i use them alot and they are prety neet for any propuse , its like the xps13 for buissnes with more ports than the mencion xps and still dont have anny assues to day , very comparable to now days ultrabook on the batery side , such a machine i love it
I hope to see a few more XPS 13's in the future to compare.
does it multitask with no issues? opening multiple tabs, watching movies?
The manual says M.2 SATA but I also see others rocking NVME on this.
This is a great review!
Thanks!
Is RAM upgradable ?
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