Cause every1 just wants to see the bottom of your shoes...? Lol no1 cares... Either way, these ugly af as well as Balenciaga, Gucci and all these fugly sneakers...
@@SMDH.2204 Mason Margiela wins hands down! They have a shoe that is made of ACTUAL garbage... I forget the name of it but you should be able to find it easy it you just Google it
Bally is prob my favorite designer sneaker. Affordable even when it’s not on sale, made well. Every designer shoe isn’t exotic or overpriced just gotta shop certain times is the season
These are probably my favorite and one of the only designer shoes I kind of like. Thought they were hideous at first, and not really a fan of this particular colorway, but eventually came around on them. I wish the sole was more midsole and and optical illusion, so that you actually sat deeper into it more like the height of a regular show, but it wrapped around a bit to give the illusion that it was taller than it is.
For me it was the the bottom half (the Cuban link) that made the shoe. At the bottom heel is a little embossed Medusa. They are a lil high but I still mess with them heavy. Super expensive tho.
You and about 41 other people are dumb fucks anyone who buys thousand dollar shoes has hundreds of thousands or at least tens of thousands and definitely a car
NO FUCKS GIVEN I’ve seen plenty, dozens of kids on buses with designer shit but no car so you’re wrong. A lot of idiots waste their whole Pay check on things like this and ride the bus
For a g....how many outfits could u realistically rock with these? Keep in mind...u need the rest of the outfit to be of equal quality, so your only going to wear them a handful of times before they go I'm a protective case
50. Maybe 59.99. No more than that since a disastrous purchase of Sketchers Shape-Ups. I twisted my ankle on the first wear. And I bought them on vacation so couldn’t even return them
@@LLVstacks lol you paying 300 dollars for shoes made in China, I'd rather pay 700+ for a designer that at least I know it's made in Italy with highest quality
@@Rogeras32 that statement really doesn't hold much weight. Saying it's better than the triple S is literally the equivalent of saying shit tastes better than poison
They've kinda grown on me, from like "embarrassing" to "meh". The rich, eccentric people who buy these are obviously looking for a crazy shoe that stands out. So I guess the design kinda makes sense? Wish it was a little more put together though.
With the new era of platforms being regular, short people rejoice! Stunt on your friends with $1000 pair of shoes in order to make up for their stunted growth lol
What quality ? The animal print is fake.. every other material is just the same cheap materials used in any sneaker .. These are worth $20-30 It is the Versace name that makes the price go up And anyone who buys a product because of namesake and not for quality or bang for buck is a loser and poser
@@No1reallydies you have no clue, versace produces in italy with high quality items whereas nike and every other generic shoe Brand produces in china taiwab etc low cost mass products. These are kind of limited and therefore also much better quality
LP lmfaoooo Your so brain dead keep being easily brainwashed There’s not one material on this shoe that isn’t the same material as regular shoes from the dollar store.. stop fooling yourself dumbass
Aaaaah!!! These shoes are sooo FREAKIN GORGEOUS ,STYLISH AND BEAUTIFUL !!!!! Since first time I saw these shoes,I just fell in Love with them!! 😍😍😍They are freakin awesome 😎 Today I’ll gonna buy them!!!🤩🤩🤩🤓🥳🥳🥳 To others commentators;you just jealousy,that you can’t buy them😝😝😝😝😝
All my shoes: Nmds-5 pairs bape Yeezys 350-2 pair Nike air mags(dosent fit me)-1 pair Adidas alphabounce-2 pairs Gucci- 2 pairs Balenciagas black speed sock-1 pair Balenciagas triple s- 1 pair Gucci nmds- 1 pair Nike air yeezys 2- 2 pairs Nmd channel yellow- 1 pair Nmd channel black- 1 pair Human race trail nmd- 1 pair Nyc red apple edition nmd- 1 pair Pitch black friends & family nmd-1 pair R1 overkill fire starter- 2 pairs You N.E.R.D -1 pair Human race trail channel and pharel-1 pair Family and friends burgundy-1 pair R1 primeknit friends and family- 1pair Adidas ultra boost- pair Nike air jordans- 5pairs(different models) Balenciagas × gucci speed trainers-1 pair Balenciagas sock white- 1 pair Balenciagas sock red- 1pair I have many others but these are the hype beast ones I am a sneaker collecter and some here are from mysterybrand.net NO hate comments pls
Never bought a shoes with retail price.. always wait 6 until 12 month before get the shoes that i want.. it always got discounted and i can get them for cheaper.. a lot cheaper especially here in Indonesia
Favorite luxury brand for sneakers: Gucci Most I ever paid is (I had to look it up lol) $920.13 for the Gucci GG low top sneakers in great white. That was before the price increase lol I saw a comment say exclusivity is one of the reasons the consumer buys this and that’s true. Not any joe blow is going to have or simply buy a designer sneaker. The attention to detail in these shoes is way better Bc your paying more and TYPICALLY they tend to be more durable. *They also elevate your outfit
That chain link sole is dope af. Not sure I’d wear them for casual use tho. If it was less chunky I’d definitely want to get some of these because that animal print and silhouette is fire
Anything above $200 and sneaker better be more than fashionable. I need it to be durable, effective for climbming, running, water proof, foot warmers, step count tech built in, and cool down mode for summer months, and lifetime warrantee.
I pretty much exclusively buy Gucci sneakers and yes they’re much more expensive than Jordan’s but I never have to wait in lines, they don’t get sold out, they always give me champagne in the store, the customer service is amazing, and I never run into someone wearing the same sneakers.
When he says let us know how you feel about them. I just picture watching a Monty Python movie about the end of the world. And everyone starts going in on the guy with the Versace shoes . Where cool no longer matters. Lighting his ass up with jokes. Like. " The man make the shoe the shoe don't make the man" while pointing at their work boots . Or sandals. On some treacherous journey. Would be classic.
I got 850 dollar retail price salvatore ferragamo hi tops when they were on a 70% ish discount at an off zaks 5th store. 200 bucks. A gold omega loop was missing from a part of the high tops. That's why it was crazy discounted. Calfskin leather. Luxurious. I love them. Quality. Handmade in italy. That's a big reason for price. Design, comfort, quality. Yes add a touch of perceived value and u got that price. Gotta say though. Bigger brands dont always bring that quality but sometines luxury can do it right. All about timing, sure my shoes arent in style much anymore. They look like moon shoes but idgaf I rock em in shorts and pink shirts lol. I say, buy what you like, but try not to overpay if you can help it. But guarantee they feel better than any nike made for fashion. They make less and that drives price upp too. You pay for exclusivity.
Highest I went was $905 for some resell priced off-white Air Max 90s. If I’m touching $1k for a sneaker it’s gotta be the Balenciaga Triple S but they got me fucked up if they think I’m paying the same price of $995 since they started production in China. 25% calfskin , 15% lambskin just isn’t worth $995 when it’s made in China. In Italy by Italian quality checks, then yes.
I think all these expensive brand designers try to test the customer's stomach, if they don't feel throwing up with these, then they get the big "W" XD
I’m surprised to see this comment sections don’t have good taste in trainers, it’s just the colour he got them in which does not justify its looks in person
To me they’re definitely worth the price tag, my chain reactions are probably my favorite sneakers by far and the only ones that I think compete with them are my margiela futures, I wear the futures more but still
Man it’s not just about the name it’s also because the fabric is better than on every Nike shoe you will see,and they weight more than a regular shoe and I personally like that a lot
People keep saying ugly to designer clothing , 80% of time yeah they are ugly but that 20% is somthing that everyone wishes to have but rather to say its ugly, lets be honest this shoe is awsome 😍
I never really like any of these luxury brands. But i find these pretty cool. They’re unique in their own way. See ppl think being a sneaker head is about buying hype shit but it’s actually about what you like, and how you incorporate it to your outfit
I always get deals so the $700 gucci sneaks I can get for 400. The $1200 python buscemis I got for $500ish and the $1150 gold and Crystal Giuseppe Zanottis I got for $450. Just skip 2 Chinese glued together Jordan sweatshop purchases and get something handmade in Italy from cows that wear Jordans.
I walking through BARNEY'S and BERGDORF GOOGMAN'S this past May 4th in NYC and had the chance to see some of these up and close ...... some i liked ..... some i did NOT.
& p.s.to people who have even 20 000 dollars 💵 into the month,1000 dollars for the shoes,it’s not big money 💵!! To millionaires it’s not expensive at all!!
The shoe is iffy but the chain link bottoms are pretty dope af cant lie
Cause every1 just wants to see the bottom of your shoes...? Lol no1 cares... Either way, these ugly af as well as Balenciaga, Gucci and all these fugly sneakers...
Wack...anything different u like.
arnan540 people walking behind you see them.
ANd you going walk try to leaving a chain pattern wherever you go.
The number 1 rule for designers
Ugly is the new pretty.
Hideous
You can say that again. It's like a competition to see who can design the ugliest POS
@@SMDH.2204 Mason Margiela wins hands down! They have a shoe that is made of ACTUAL garbage... I forget the name of it but you should be able to find it easy it you just Google it
But they're not even ugly
Those shoes are the most comfortable pairs of sneakers I own. People who can't afford them there's always Wal--Mart.
If these said Sketchers on em, they’d be sitting at outlet shelves for $30.
Its about quality
$15*
Versace is actually very good quality
Thank you captain obvious. Any other monumental "deep thinker" nuggets of wisdom u want to bestow upon us?
They expensive because there Versace not vans fool
Expensive = Exclusivity
The more people can’t afford it the less people will have them. That’s why the consumer wants it.
= Scarcity vs abundance sales tactic
Great Points🙂
Jordan does it all the time so yes that do make sense and the price of that item AS WE SAY ONE OF A KIND😀
@@robertsantana5245 So true,The LOOXS red bottoms-Pop when I'm at compared to a lot of sneakers.
He said Versace,Like Versac-ee that's not the proper way of saying it,lol.
I'd rather overpay for luxury price tag than overpay for hype sneakera resell prices
a man of quality
FACTS
The day is coming when all these things won't matter
Rual Meeks *tactical nuke incoming
damn this comment was depressing but I gave it a thumbs up cause its true
Sooooooo true
Rual Meeks FAST bro.
Rual Meeks looks like you been reading Revelations in The Bible a lot 🤔
Amazing how dollar value can never guarantee good taste or style because damn these are terrible lol!
Talks With TJ id think so i dont got bread like that but i still like it
Who are you to say someone else has bad taste? The world doesn’t revolve around you 🤦🏼♂️ stay in your lane
Talks With TJ bitch shut up
Dumpster Juice
i agree with her...you can buy fashion which is usually expensive but can never buy style which often times is inexpensive.
Im sorry 2 Chainz but these look like they were made for the Spice Girls🤣🤣🤣
Jae Illinbaus but ferg said I’m trynna be as famous as the spice girls 🤔
lol
Lmao right
exactly looks like some throw back sneakers 🤣🤣🤣
Mr Foamer, Christain Louboutin released new joints of sports sneakers. Would love to see a review about them
Spike Sock/ Red Runner Donna?
@@hermes-stanlvu4116 Red Runner Donna of-course, laces all the way
Anything thats from italy is expensive, Anything.
even the chicks? well that kinda makes sense for experience, but she was more mentally taxing than anything.
Bally is prob my favorite designer sneaker. Affordable even when it’s not on sale, made well. Every designer shoe isn’t exotic or overpriced just gotta shop certain times is the season
Video editing is getting better every episode. Respect all the effort you clearly put into this content!
These are probably my favorite and one of the only designer shoes I kind of like. Thought they were hideous at first, and not really a fan of this particular colorway, but eventually came around on them. I wish the sole was more midsole and and optical illusion, so that you actually sat deeper into it more like the height of a regular show, but it wrapped around a bit to give the illusion that it was taller than it is.
Best edits in the game, so well done! 🔥🔥🔥
He didn’t even justify the price of the shoe or say that it wasn’t worth it, he just stated simple facts and posted the video lmao
2:31
Medusa head on the heel, that's a very dope touch ..🤦🏻♂️
For me it was the the bottom half (the Cuban link) that made the shoe. At the bottom heel is a little embossed Medusa. They are a lil high but I still mess with them heavy. Super expensive tho.
If you can buy these, save up for a car lol
People who buy these already have a car, most likely multiple cars.
You and about 41 other people are dumb fucks anyone who buys thousand dollar shoes has hundreds of thousands or at least tens of thousands and definitely a car
NO FUCKS GIVEN I’ve seen plenty, dozens of kids on buses with designer shit but no car so you’re wrong. A lot of idiots waste their whole Pay check on things like this and ride the bus
Pope Gains Because they’re kids, they don’t got no priorities
Pope Gains Anyone that’s able to spend $2000 on a sneaker can more than likely afford a car
Keep up the vidz bro!!!😤🔥🙏🏻
Damn they still get dirty though, no dirt repellent technology for a G?
The Dark Silence777
Helll naw fruit loops geeting finessed willingly
Sneakers er, liquidproof, crep protect ,
For a g....how many outfits could u realistically rock with these? Keep in mind...u need the rest of the outfit to be of equal quality, so your only going to wear them a handful of times before they go I'm a protective case
I haven't gone above $200 retail for a sneaker.
Christopher Hammock damn your broke
@@avalosalex1993 It's called priorities.
50. Maybe 59.99. No more than that since a disastrous purchase of Sketchers Shape-Ups. I twisted my ankle on the first wear. And I bought them on vacation so couldn’t even return them
not that people notice, i like the music attached to this video, very nice edit. well done
The whole designer sneaker trend as lame as hell in my opinion.
Facts I'll just stick with classic Nikes and Jay's.. those will always look fire
Let the rich do what they want. And let the fool whatever shit they want.
Gucci Ace sneakers fire
@@LLVstacks lol you paying 300 dollars for shoes made in China, I'd rather pay 700+ for a designer that at least I know it's made in Italy with highest quality
Lmao @ “I’d be damn near 7ft tall in these.”
Absolutely loved this show from the first pictures I saw from sneakernews, and I’m not even into designer sneakers like that
Medusa head on the heel,looks very cool 🐍😎
I actually like this, I think it would look better in a different color though
These are gross🤮
haider jasim ikr 🤢🔥
No, these are awesome. At lease you can see the design, the materials... Chain reaction > Tripple S
Your gross
@@Rogeras32 that statement really doesn't hold much weight. Saying it's better than the triple S is literally the equivalent of saying shit tastes better than poison
They've kinda grown on me, from like "embarrassing" to "meh".
The rich, eccentric people who buy these are obviously looking for a crazy shoe that stands out. So I guess the design kinda makes sense? Wish it was a little more put together though.
With the new era of platforms being regular, short people rejoice!
Stunt on your friends with $1000 pair of shoes in order to make up for their stunted growth lol
If someone sole swapped these on to an airmax it would be an awesome shoe.
I think these actually would be worth the money but not what they want but I would pay 400 retail because u can see the quality they used
Id have em too. Lol
Just for the quality? I'd hate being seen in these things!
What quality ? The animal print is fake.. every other material is just the same cheap materials used in any sneaker ..
These are worth $20-30
It is the Versace name that makes the price go up
And anyone who buys a product because of namesake and not for quality or bang for buck is a loser and poser
@@No1reallydies you have no clue, versace produces in italy with high quality items whereas nike and every other generic shoe Brand produces in china taiwab etc low cost mass products. These are kind of limited and therefore also much better quality
LP lmfaoooo
Your so brain dead keep being easily brainwashed
There’s not one material on this shoe that isn’t the same material as regular shoes from the dollar store..
stop fooling yourself dumbass
Aaaaah!!! These shoes are sooo FREAKIN GORGEOUS ,STYLISH AND BEAUTIFUL !!!!! Since first time I saw these shoes,I just fell in Love with them!! 😍😍😍They are freakin awesome 😎 Today I’ll gonna buy them!!!🤩🤩🤩🤓🥳🥳🥳
To others commentators;you just jealousy,that you can’t buy them😝😝😝😝😝
Retail $300
Would never go above that
Chris Desouza $70. Would never go above that.
Monta Gez That’s fine though.
Chris Desouza payless prices
Would never go above that
150 max for me. Most of my shoes are 100 or less. Af1 vans old skool, air monarch
Yeah bro they would make 1 Cent each sell if you count the production costs away
Mr foamer Simpson them is dope keep it lit with the vlog an keep them coming💯💯💯👍👍👍
Not gonna lie I love these. Can’t help it
All my shoes:
Nmds-5 pairs bape
Yeezys 350-2 pair
Nike air mags(dosent fit me)-1 pair
Adidas alphabounce-2 pairs
Gucci- 2 pairs
Balenciagas black speed sock-1 pair
Balenciagas triple s- 1 pair
Gucci nmds- 1 pair
Nike air yeezys 2- 2 pairs
Nmd channel yellow- 1 pair
Nmd channel black- 1 pair
Human race trail nmd- 1 pair
Nyc red apple edition nmd- 1 pair
Pitch black friends & family nmd-1 pair
R1 overkill fire starter- 2 pairs
You N.E.R.D -1 pair
Human race trail channel and pharel-1 pair
Family and friends burgundy-1 pair
R1 primeknit friends and family- 1pair
Adidas ultra boost- pair
Nike air jordans- 5pairs(different models)
Balenciagas × gucci speed trainers-1 pair
Balenciagas sock white- 1 pair
Balenciagas sock red- 1pair
I have many others but these are the hype beast ones I am a sneaker collecter and some here are from mysterybrand.net
NO hate comments pls
Never bought a shoes with retail price.. always wait 6 until 12 month before get the shoes that i want.. it always got discounted and i can get them for cheaper.. a lot cheaper especially here in Indonesia
Foamer! Ur vids r the greatest! U should show a few on foot clips in ur sneaker reviews
Favorite luxury brand for sneakers: Gucci
Most I ever paid is (I had to look it up lol) $920.13 for the Gucci GG low top sneakers in great white. That was before the price increase lol I saw a comment say exclusivity is one of the reasons the consumer buys this and that’s true. Not any joe blow is going to have or simply buy a designer sneaker. The attention to detail in these shoes is way better Bc your paying more and TYPICALLY they tend to be more durable. *They also elevate your outfit
That chain link sole is dope af. Not sure I’d wear them for casual use tho. If it was less chunky I’d definitely want to get some of these because that animal print and silhouette is fire
They need to be expensive so the brand doesnt lose its brand value..
He could at least clean the souls of the sneakers if he's going to post them for the world to see and judge the quality
Soles*
Spice girls shoes RETURN!!! Yay 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
Cause they’re worth it lol
Quick question?? I wear a size 9.5 should I stick to that or go up to 10??
These were made for Bruno Mars😂😂(like if you get it)😂😂
You gotta have the drip to make them kicks stand out
What are thoooossseeee hahahahahaha
This sneaker run true to size or not? Like for example I’m size 7 so should I get 7.5 or size 7
Not real zebra! Don’t want them
These are weird but not as bad as those Gucci trek boot lookin things
Anything above $200 and sneaker better be more than fashionable. I need it to be durable, effective for climbming, running, water proof, foot warmers, step count tech built in, and cool down mode for summer months, and lifetime warrantee.
I pretty much exclusively buy Gucci sneakers and yes they’re much more expensive than Jordan’s but I never have to wait in lines, they don’t get sold out, they always give me champagne in the store, the customer service is amazing, and I never run into someone wearing the same sneakers.
I usually spend 500-800 on a pair but there are plenty of $220 Jordan’s that sell out fast and resell at waaay higher prices than that.
Also, this song is really soothing 😂
Definitely a cop🔥🔥
Fire shoes trust I have a pair
Hell no
The outsole is dope, every thing else needs a ton of refining
A thousand dollars? LOLOLOLOLOL
I bought the all white chain reaction and I LOVE IT to the max! Got several Versace footwear and the quality is impeccable! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
They fucking suck.
@@georgebozinovski9401 everyone i know who has a pair loves them
How do they fit??
When he says let us know how you feel about them. I just picture watching a Monty Python movie about the end of the world. And everyone starts going in on the guy with the Versace shoes . Where cool no longer matters. Lighting his ass up with jokes. Like. " The man make the shoe the shoe don't make the man" while pointing at their work boots . Or sandals. On some treacherous journey. Would be classic.
Shapeshifting lizard Buckets doesn't know how to play the drums. It woulda ruined his earthy disguise. Watch your six.
It's an emotional experience that's all.....
I got 850 dollar retail price salvatore ferragamo hi tops when they were on a 70% ish discount at an off zaks 5th store. 200 bucks. A gold omega loop was missing from a part of the high tops. That's why it was crazy discounted. Calfskin leather. Luxurious. I love them. Quality. Handmade in italy. That's a big reason for price. Design, comfort, quality. Yes add a touch of perceived value and u got that price. Gotta say though. Bigger brands dont always bring that quality but sometines luxury can do it right. All about timing, sure my shoes arent in style much anymore. They look like moon shoes but idgaf I rock em in shorts and pink shirts lol. I say, buy what you like, but try not to overpay if you can help it. But guarantee they feel better than any nike made for fashion. They make less and that drives price upp too. You pay for exclusivity.
Most I've spent is 600 USD for ferragamo sneakers which were both comfortable and looked great
Do they run true to size? 😊
Highest I went was $905 for some resell priced off-white Air Max 90s. If I’m touching $1k for a sneaker it’s gotta be the Balenciaga Triple S but they got me fucked up if they think I’m paying the same price of $995 since they started production in China. 25% calfskin , 15% lambskin just isn’t worth $995 when it’s made in China. In Italy by Italian quality checks, then yes.
I think all these expensive brand designers try to test the customer's stomach, if they don't feel throwing up with these, then they get the big "W" XD
I’m surprised to see this comment sections don’t have good taste in trainers, it’s just the colour he got them in which does not justify its looks in person
Wow. You just sold me. lol
To me they’re definitely worth the price tag, my chain reactions are probably my favorite sneakers by far and the only ones that I think compete with them are my margiela futures, I wear the futures more but still
Show us them both
FOAMY BOOST IS STILL LIFE
It looks like there's fruit roll up slapped on the side 👎
Goomaroh wtf is a fruit loop up
@@connorwilliams6486 fuccckkk. Edit incoming
@@connorwilliams6486 What planet you live on you do what a fruit roll up is...
Kanye done well he got Versace copying the shape of his Yeezy shoes
TheNOBSTV Chainz and Ye have connects with sace.
Those shoes deserved some trap music... lol
Man it’s not just about the name it’s also because the fabric is better than on every Nike shoe you will see,and they weight more than a regular shoe and I personally like that a lot
Imagine spending $1000 on sneakers only to find out they tied knots in the laces and dipped them in rubber so you can't remove them 😂👌
Worth it, if you got that dough! 😹💵
Shoe looks mad comfortable b
People keep saying ugly to designer clothing , 80% of time yeah they are ugly but that 20% is somthing that everyone wishes to have but rather to say its ugly, lets be honest this shoe is awsome 😍
I never really like any of these luxury brands. But i find these pretty cool. They’re unique in their own way. See ppl think being a sneaker head is about buying hype shit but it’s actually about what you like, and how you incorporate it to your outfit
Ayyyy tall people gang
Most expensive Sneaker I bought for retail was the Yeezy 350 V2 Oreo and Zebra second one was the Nike x Acronym Presto Mid
The soul looks like a Big Turk candy bar
I'm here because 6ix9ine was wearing these in the GOOBA music video.
Fr he got more pairs wearing them like a pair of vans everyday
All in all these are a really nice shoe. I think if the price was lower on them a lot of people would pick em up
Is that a replica or the original?
I always get deals so the $700 gucci sneaks I can get for 400. The $1200 python buscemis I got for $500ish and the $1150 gold and Crystal Giuseppe Zanottis I got for $450. Just skip 2 Chinese glued together Jordan sweatshop purchases and get something handmade in Italy from cows that wear Jordans.
I walking through BARNEY'S and BERGDORF GOOGMAN'S this past May 4th in NYC and had the chance to see some of these up and close ...... some i liked ..... some i did NOT.
Braille on the toes? At last, now blind people can rub my shoes and know they’re Versace..
Looks like a airmax 90/huarache/yeezy 700 mix lol
So the worst of the worst sneakers combined.
STAYlN ALlVE yeahh
@@STAYIN_ALIVE hurache is not a bad shoe
Edward Rawls naw I actually love the new adapt huaraches, got both of the color ways on the SNKRS app
Do they run big bc I found them for a size 8 but I'm a size 8.5
Just imagine standing in a dog egg with those bad boys on!
Welcome back to the workshop
What is that braille on the front?
Gar-booge French for “oh HELL NO”
I love the Prada cloudbust!!
Sketchers can’t fool me!
please do a video of reviewing Nike ispa mid white
I would love to see J. Danklef do a custom and throw a Air Max 95 midsole on these!
& p.s.to people who have even 20 000 dollars 💵 into the month,1000 dollars for the shoes,it’s not big money 💵!! To millionaires it’s not expensive at all!!