I love Xing Yi! I used to train in it back when I lived in Dallas and I've been meaning to get back into it. Thanks for posting this video, it re-sparked the flame to learn it again!
These kinds of videos are the ones I love from Martial Club. I really hope you can do more exploring of actual martial arts and find schools, masters and more.
Wang Xiang Zhai a master of xing I and creator or Yi Quan said this, after 40 years of traveling the whole country of china north and south i found only 2 real masters lol do you really think any of these people are real masters? its all commercial bullshit, today 80 years later you would be pressed to find one real master and you would have to search for decades to find him
clicked when i saw the title and remembered the style from The One which I haven't watched in years. I just remember the name because during the bts explanations i remember them talking about it being an aggressive style which left an impression on me as a kid
TBH you didn't really even get to taste let alone experience the actual art of Xingyi Quan. What you got at that seminar is the simple choreography of the five elements and the external outer shell of the shape that composes the elements themselves. They were completely devoid of any of its essence or power. Xingyi Quan requires years and years of dedicated daily practice to understand and develop their signature leg strength, willpower, focus and intention as well as the internal energy and unique internal engines used by the style. A major part of the skills that need to be developed that takes years to get right, is to time the strikes perfectly with the landing of the front foot so that the entire body weight is behind each and every strike, not just the limbs themselves. Everyone at the seminar were using only the limbs. The beginning students are required to spend an hour daily doing lines of footwork before even combining it with the fists. The outer shapes of the five elements, while they can have some techniques that can be used, are not designed to be about technique they are about generating vectors of energy. Also Xingyi Quan has the 12 Animals form. Each animal is a complete system of self defense on their own and a student after learning them all, usually picks only a few to focus on based on their body type and personality. So there is a lot more to it than just the five elements. Also there is so much Nei Gong exercises that is found within Xingyi Quan that practicing even those everyday can take an hour or more. Traditionally the first and only thing a student learns for months, is a static stance or Zhang Zhuang called San Ti Shi or Three Body Posture which you start out holding for a minimum of 5 minutes on each side until you can graduate to comfortably doing it for 15 minutes on each side. Xingyi Quan is actually a complete martial art derived from stance training or Zhan Zhuang.
The vertical and inverted punches do remind me of similar techniques we have in Karate which makes sense since the latter was influenced by Chinese martial arts and was essentially more Chinese than Japanese until Japan colonised then integrated Okinawa.
After developing an understanding of the 5 elements, and how the cycle of creation and destruction can be applied, the solutions of the 12 animals of xing yi come into play.
Man, I want to train with you guys some day. Where even is your dojo? Also, that style seems awesome. Some blocks/deflects I saw are reminding me a bit of Karate which has similar defensive techniques. Martial Arts is great :D
The Five Elemental Processes reflect the movement of each organ's Qi. For example, the movement of Wood is upward and outwards. This means that on a physical level it implies a smooth and unimpeded expanding motion and on a mental level it implies creativity, inspiration and planning.
Probably true from a Chinese medical aspect. Most practitioners of Hsing-i that I have come across are simply manifesting external power and then claiming to have knowledge of Chi. Or if they do have a grasp of internal power are only using beng chuan because it is one of the easier elements to work. Hsing-i is governed by the same rules of stance, posture and movement as other martial arts and you can have heavy chi in your arms all day long but if your stance and footwork sucks your technique will fall apart like a game of Jenga.
Xingyiquan actually has a large variety of techniques - it's just that they tend to practice most only as single drills; only a subset ever gets put into the forms.
Hey D-Mah, just some points to keep in mind. So as you mentioned in the video, this particular fighting system is heavily based on spear fighting methods. As with the spear, the power comes from the ground, through the legs to the hips to the waist and outward. You want to treat the rear hand like it's holding the butt end of the spear. Secondly, the five elements are the distillation of the energies that the animals use, not necessarily an extension of the five elements. Thirdly, you always want to keep in mind Rising, turning, descending, and overturning. These are critical actions in both the system and bagua.
The movements of Xing Yi Chuan are based on the spear. Each of the 5 elements and subsequently the 12 animals can be practiced as solo drills or combined in an almost endless mix. The simplicity of these short movements hides the complexity of it’s depth. It’s why many may learn but few will master it.
Mastery has many levels. You can actually use Hsing-i in a mostly external context and still win fights. As I have said before Hsing-i though an internal art is still governed by the same rules of stance and movement as all other martial arts at a fundamental level. I have had guys tell me about how much chi they feel in their limbs after standing meditations and then be totally unable to pull off even a basic technique in application. At its core any internal martial art is simply physics. In no way do I consider myself a master but I can't count the times I've knocked other Hsing-i practs on their asses in either free fights or push hands. One of the main differences in my training as opposed to the common methods is that I was taught the 5 elements in a grappling/trapping context long before I started striking. This allowed me to really feel where the individual energies were emanating from (it's all natural, no hoodoo here) and when I began striking it came very easily. One of the biggest drawbacks to the conveyance of the internal styles to the western minds is simply the difficulty of native practitioners conveying that information to us. To the Chinese mind chi is a part of everyday life much like blood flowing though our veins rather than some weird psychic power.
That's awesome man, i aways try too find places that train various Martial Art styles. I pretty much tried most of all Japanese styles of martial arts and wanted too try chinese styles. Lucky there is a few were i moved and tried a bit of Shaolin kung fu. I'm previous training in Wing Chun and i'm enjoying it right now
Yes, practitioners of this style can potentially pose as a huge challenge to boxers, mainly because of 1) the flow mechanics and 2) the direction of attack is always forward and *concentrated*. But in particular the flow between moves are not very well demonstrated in this video. The TH-cam channel Xing Yi Academy demonstrates and explains everything very well.... they are one of the authorities here on TH-cam. Others (in my opinion) are Ismet Himmet and Clear's internal combat arts. NOT Jake Mace's videos. We don't talk about Jake Mace's Kung Fu educational videos. However, boxing is a very malleable style with very simple mechanics, which allows for great variation. In addition, boxers can usually be very good with footwork (distance control and stepping). If a Xing Yi fighter wants to win, their footwork needs to be on par with a boxer.
This was actually considered an old combative boxing style in China. The 5 Element fists were adapted into the Chinese army combatives program in the early 20th century. If you look at other war time combatives programs from WW1 or 2 such as the Martial Stillman Method, you will see a lot of similarities. At the end, hitting is hitting regardless of origin.
Finally, this is why I subscribed to you guys. For a long time all I saw were purely tricking videos and I was just about to unsubscribe. This is why you’re called MartialClub and not tricking club aka TeamLoopKicks.
There are also about 12 twelve animal movements also monkey tiger crane snake alligator horse and many more etc. Each With many different ways applying these movements in combat situations and all are different. It is actually quite complicated really.
some lineages of XYQ have just 10 animals. Ive never come across a crane XYQ form before though. My lineage has 12: dragon, phoenix, hen, rooster, sparrowhawk, swallow, eagle-bear, tiger, monkey, horse, snake, turtle/crocodile
Bro I don't mean this in an offense but I wouldn't take Kung Fu lessons for self defense these days, especially Wing Chun. It's hard to actually find an instructor who's trained and have used it in an actual fight.
Hello , Xing Yi Quan is a interesting style. Please let me mention the new martial art named TRIGONDO. It could also be interesting. Founded 2017 in germany. For information google the name please. Train hard. Be smart.
These traditional styles supposedly came from the battlefield right.. That's real combat so if you're training for selfdefense you need to apply real sparring man.. Like Bruce Lee called point Karate at the time: "dry land swimming" (cause u can't learn how to swim if you don't get in the water).. Not saying everyone train for those purposes but I figure some Xing Yi practitioners ought to do that right.. /peace&love'..
What's up dude. 100 percent correct. I actually practice this flavor of Chinese combatives and I cringe when I see people talk about it being a battlefield art in videos but then practice it like it's tai chi because it's "internal" or focus on forms only. This art is broken down into 5 distinct fists with moving to teach you the fighting as well as to develop different attributes: aggressive blitzkrieging, flanking, waist snapping, flanking, etc. The 12 animals offer varying ways to implement strategy and energy on top of those 5 fists. If anybody makes it sound super mystical and complex, they probably are the intellectual types who do it for the "art" and would not know how to fight off pillows. If you want to see the same principles in actual motion look up something like Lee Morrison's UC combatives or old WW1 and 2 combatives videos. One of the grandfathers of modern combatives, Fairbairn trained the Shanghai police and adapted that to WW2 fighting for the SAS and OSS. A lot of the principles he taught came from arts like this as well as what he learned from the Japanese.
I've sought out and fought a lot of people, in schools, gyms and have used it in street issues against stick ups and that petty circumstances which are just fights and I can say, this art is abusive towards the people you fight against. It gives you a calm willingness to dish the worst at people. You don't even think when you use it. It just happens.
Lyoto machida is a point fighting champion and so was Stephen Thompson and they literally become mma and ufc champions once using “dry land swimming” techniques of point karate using the same stances n techniques. Lol
Dude teaching is way to frail to have learned an actual xing yi method, he either learned a a meme version or from video or something.. also the video is full of misinformation.
I love Xing Yi! I used to train in it back when I lived in Dallas and I've been meaning to get back into it. Thanks for posting this video, it re-sparked the flame to learn it again!
These kinds of videos are the ones I love from Martial Club. I really hope you can do more exploring of actual martial arts and find schools, masters and more.
Wang Xiang Zhai a master of xing I and creator or Yi Quan said this, after 40 years of traveling the whole country of china north and south i found only 2 real masters lol do you really think any of these people are real masters? its all commercial bullshit, today 80 years later you would be pressed to find one real master and you would have to search for decades to find him
I actually ran into Andy and Brian in China while training at the shaolin temple, i was so psyched!
oh you mean the fake shaolin temple they have in china for tourists like you hahaha
Thanks for this presentation! I love xing-yi and it's nice to see another perspective on it. Y'all rock !
YES ANOTHER MARTIAL CLUB VIDEO!!!!
This was great info! I hope y'all can continue to do more videos on different styles.
The One was my introduction to Xing Yi too. Thank you for sharing this!
Oh cool! New videos from you guys always makes my day
Woaw very interesting to watch this right now cause i just started learning xing yi quan recently, very simple style but powerful.
Phenomenal martial arts video Dmah keep on training.
clicked when i saw the title and remembered the style from The One which I haven't watched in years. I just remember the name because during the bts explanations i remember them talking about it being an aggressive style which left an impression on me as a kid
Im a disciple of a Bagua master in China. I learned Xingyi in Europe and in China too. Xingyi also has 12 animal form. Greetings from China
TBH you didn't really even get to taste let alone experience the actual art of Xingyi Quan. What you got at that seminar is the simple choreography of the five elements and the external outer shell of the shape that composes the elements themselves. They were completely devoid of any of its essence or power. Xingyi Quan requires years and years of dedicated daily practice to understand and develop their signature leg strength, willpower, focus and intention as well as the internal energy and unique internal engines used by the style. A major part of the skills that need to be developed that takes years to get right, is to time the strikes perfectly with the landing of the front foot so that the entire body weight is behind each and every strike, not just the limbs themselves. Everyone at the seminar were using only the limbs. The beginning students are required to spend an hour daily doing lines of footwork before even combining it with the fists. The outer shapes of the five elements, while they can have some techniques that can be used, are not designed to be about technique they are about generating vectors of energy. Also Xingyi Quan has the 12 Animals form. Each animal is a complete system of self defense on their own and a student after learning them all, usually picks only a few to focus on based on their body type and personality. So there is a lot more to it than just the five elements. Also there is so much Nei Gong exercises that is found within Xingyi Quan that practicing even those everyday can take an hour or more. Traditionally the first and only thing a student learns for months, is a static stance or Zhang Zhuang called San Ti Shi or Three Body Posture which you start out holding for a minimum of 5 minutes on each side until you can graduate to comfortably doing it for 15 minutes on each side. Xingyi Quan is actually a complete martial art derived from stance training or Zhan Zhuang.
I'd recommend looking up Tong Bei Quan as well if you haven't yet. Think you would enjoy it.
Oh hey you guys are learning my style of kung fu
Very interesting insights, Dmah!
The vertical and inverted punches do remind me of similar techniques we have in Karate which makes sense since the latter was influenced by Chinese martial arts and was essentially more Chinese than Japanese until Japan colonised then integrated Okinawa.
Wow I used to drive by there all the time!!
As someone who is just learning the basics of bo staff, just watching your Shifu's hand positions, I can almost see an invisible staff. ^_^
Yup, the art is based on old spear fighting techniques.
@@bigwavesun yeah
After developing an understanding of the 5 elements, and how the cycle of creation and destruction can be applied, the solutions of the 12 animals of xing yi come into play.
Very nice, seems you guys had a lot of fun doing that workshop.
Simple, direct and efficient just like wing chun but with different philosophies and concept. A brutal martial art.
YES!!!!!!MARTIAL CLUB
Man, I want to train with you guys some day. Where even is your dojo? Also, that style seems awesome. Some blocks/deflects I saw are reminding me a bit of Karate which has similar defensive techniques. Martial Arts is great :D
I believe its called a Kwoon 😏
The Five Elemental Processes reflect the movement of each organ's Qi. For example, the movement of Wood is upward and outwards. This means that on a physical level it implies a smooth and unimpeded expanding motion and on a mental level it implies creativity, inspiration and planning.
Probably true from a Chinese medical aspect. Most practitioners of Hsing-i that I have come across are simply manifesting external power and then claiming to have knowledge of Chi. Or if they do have a grasp of internal power are only using beng chuan because it is one of the easier elements to work. Hsing-i is governed by the same rules of stance, posture and movement as other martial arts and you can have heavy chi in your arms all day long but if your stance and footwork sucks your technique will fall apart like a game of Jenga.
Xingyiquan actually has a large variety of techniques - it's just that they tend to practice most only as single drills; only a subset ever gets put into the forms.
Hey D-Mah, just some points to keep in mind.
So as you mentioned in the video, this particular fighting system is heavily based on spear fighting methods. As with the spear, the power comes from the ground, through the legs to the hips to the waist and outward. You want to treat the rear hand like it's holding the butt end of the spear.
Secondly, the five elements are the distillation of the energies that the animals use, not necessarily an extension of the five elements.
Thirdly, you always want to keep in mind Rising, turning, descending, and overturning. These are critical actions in both the system and bagua.
The movements of Xing Yi Chuan are based on the spear. Each of the 5 elements and subsequently the 12 animals can be practiced as solo drills or combined in an almost endless mix. The simplicity of these short movements hides the complexity of it’s depth. It’s why many may learn but few will master it.
Mastery has many levels. You can actually use Hsing-i in a mostly external context and still win fights. As I have said before Hsing-i though an internal art is still governed by the same rules of stance and movement as all other martial arts at a fundamental level. I have had guys tell me about how much chi they feel in their limbs after standing meditations and then be totally unable to pull off even a basic technique in application. At its core any internal martial art is simply physics. In no way do I consider myself a master but I can't count the times I've knocked other Hsing-i practs on their asses in either free fights or push hands. One of the main differences in my training as opposed to the common methods is that I was taught the 5 elements in a grappling/trapping context long before I started striking. This allowed me to really feel where the individual energies were emanating from (it's all natural, no hoodoo here) and when I began striking it came very easily. One of the biggest drawbacks to the conveyance of the internal styles to the western minds is simply the difficulty of native practitioners conveying that information to us. To the Chinese mind chi is a part of everyday life much like blood flowing though our veins rather than some weird psychic power.
I need some of your merch but I can't get it
That's awesome man, i aways try too find places that train various Martial Art styles. I pretty much tried most of all Japanese styles of martial arts and wanted too try chinese styles. Lucky there is a few were i moved and tried a bit of Shaolin kung fu. I'm previous training in Wing Chun and i'm enjoying it right now
I feel like if u took this and modified it it could be killer in boxing due to the movements being hit in front
Yes, practitioners of this style can potentially pose as a huge challenge to boxers, mainly because of 1) the flow mechanics and 2) the direction of attack is always forward and *concentrated*. But in particular the flow between moves are not very well demonstrated in this video. The TH-cam channel Xing Yi Academy demonstrates and explains everything very well.... they are one of the authorities here on TH-cam. Others (in my opinion) are Ismet Himmet and Clear's internal combat arts. NOT Jake Mace's videos. We don't talk about Jake Mace's Kung Fu educational videos.
However, boxing is a very malleable style with very simple mechanics, which allows for great variation. In addition, boxers can usually be very good with footwork (distance control and stepping). If a Xing Yi fighter wants to win, their footwork needs to be on par with a boxer.
The Xingyi Academy guy has bad form and he really can't fight.
This was actually considered an old combative boxing style in China. The 5 Element fists were adapted into the Chinese army combatives program in the early 20th century. If you look at other war time combatives programs from WW1 or 2 such as the Martial Stillman Method, you will see a lot of similarities. At the end, hitting is hitting regardless of origin.
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Finally, this is why I subscribed to you guys. For a long time all I saw were purely tricking videos and I was just about to unsubscribe. This is why you’re called MartialClub and not tricking club aka TeamLoopKicks.
Haha yes, this edit definitely felt like a return to form for me! Thanks for watching!
Internal Focus builds the core and bridge before presenting complex sets of techniques. Just give the student stances and basics then they are ready.
There are also about 12 twelve animal movements also monkey tiger crane snake alligator horse and many more etc.
Each With many different ways applying these movements in combat situations and all are different.
It is actually quite complicated really.
some lineages of XYQ have just 10 animals. Ive never come across a crane XYQ form before though. My lineage has 12: dragon, phoenix, hen, rooster, sparrowhawk, swallow, eagle-bear, tiger, monkey, horse, snake, turtle/crocodile
Dammit the shirt still isn’t available! I can’t wait!!
Highly recommend finding a Bagua seminar.
How long were the chains in handcuffs back then
What is the name of the Xing Yi Quan Master and his school?
It seems very simple and direct. I love it! .....but you need to spar and learn to apply it, otherwise you learned nothing (IMO).
True that
My teacher got 2nd place on Xing Yi Quan in the world wushu championships 2017! ^^ Germany represent :D
It is in Alameda right?
Have you ever done bagua? If not... Will you?
武館 Hey does Brian have a background in Karate? Also do you guys speak mandarin?
Omg 😲 I know where that is!
bro 5th comment and 15th like :D
And how Is your Xing yi today? After One year .............
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Aand I want to learn this style
Bro I don't mean this in an offense but I wouldn't take Kung Fu lessons for self defense these days, especially Wing Chun. It's hard to actually find an instructor who's trained and have used it in an actual fight.
Hello , Xing Yi Quan is a interesting style. Please let me mention the new martial art named TRIGONDO. It could also be interesting. Founded 2017 in germany. For information google the name please. Train hard. Be smart.
I love kang fu but my martial art is silat
These traditional styles supposedly came from the battlefield right.. That's real combat so if you're training for selfdefense you need to apply real sparring man.. Like Bruce Lee called point Karate at the time: "dry land swimming" (cause u can't learn how to swim if you don't get in the water).. Not saying everyone train for those purposes but I figure some Xing Yi practitioners ought to do that right..
/peace&love'..
What's up dude. 100 percent correct. I actually practice this flavor of Chinese combatives and I cringe when I see people talk about it being a battlefield art in videos but then practice it like it's tai chi because it's "internal" or focus on forms only. This art is broken down into 5 distinct fists with moving to teach you the fighting as well as to develop different attributes: aggressive blitzkrieging, flanking, waist snapping, flanking, etc. The 12 animals offer varying ways to implement strategy and energy on top of those 5 fists. If anybody makes it sound super mystical and complex, they probably are the intellectual types who do it for the "art" and would not know how to fight off pillows. If you want to see the same principles in actual motion look up something like Lee Morrison's UC combatives or old WW1 and 2 combatives videos. One of the grandfathers of modern combatives, Fairbairn trained the Shanghai police and adapted that to WW2 fighting for the SAS and OSS. A lot of the principles he taught came from arts like this as well as what he learned from the Japanese.
I've sought out and fought a lot of people, in schools, gyms and have used it in street issues against stick ups and that petty circumstances which are just fights and I can say, this art is abusive towards the people you fight against. It gives you a calm willingness to dish the worst at people. You don't even think when you use it. It just happens.
Lyoto machida is a point fighting champion and so was Stephen Thompson and they literally become mma and ufc champions once using “dry land swimming” techniques of point karate using the same stances n techniques. Lol
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y’all should post sparring videos
Dude teaching is way to frail to have learned an actual xing yi method, he either learned a a meme version or from video or something.. also the video is full of misinformation.
Did u really get some kind of certificate just for attending a xingyi seminar? Lol.
this is watered down wu shu version not real Xing I and its laughable at best