Solving the M.Bison problem ( How to beat M.Bison in SF6 )
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In this video i will be showing you guys how to fight against Bison in SF6 and have a good chance at winning.
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0:00 Intro
1:40 Anti-Fireballs and Psycho crusher
3:14 Scissors pressure and Drive Rush
6:27 Aerial approach
7:45 Psycho Mine
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Seriously one of the best SF channels on youtube. Your content is always so good and a joy to watch.
Here after getting tired of taking knees to the face
Bro to funnyy😂😂 good luck man my bison just gets poop on
We hear you, bro. We hear you. Do your best.
Learn how to parry the long start up move
You can punish with a jap combo.
Intro skit is amazing. I’m a livelong Bison hater!
I think the best way to beat him is to not let him start up. I’m no pro player, but the one thing Bison lacks is a wake up DP. Work to get a knockdown, drive rush and mix him up. Drive rush throw, drive rush overhead, drive rush low, drive rush neutral jump, drive rush into a standing attack. Stay on him, make him guess and don’t let him start up his offense. If you do he has tons of tools to get to you and it’s not gonna end good for you.
Quite a few matches are exactly this tbh it's probably worth trying to save drive and use reversal to stop any attempts to get in, not use too much on combos but try to keep ending combos with setups to continue pressure, and only spending meter if you know you can get the kill.
Most ppl wake up medium button into dr
It's just like SFV lol
Thank you for being proactive about this, instead of jumping on the nerf and hate bandwagon. People forgot that they need to play the game to become better at dealing with the characters.
yeaahhhhhhhh but also he's very overtuned. damage too high and no weaknesses.
@sawyersimpkins9428 his HP being plus on block and really hard to DI on reaction as well as the knee are ridiculous too. If they had more recovery so you don't have to guess DI and if his scissor kicks left him close enough to punish he'd be more reasonable.
I hate him and want him nerfed but that don’t mean I won’t learn the MU in the meantime I’ve never liked the corny overtuned nazi that’s just me tho 🤷🏾♂️
@@sawyersimpkins9428his weakness is his disadvantage state, but players are too afraid of scissor kick to apply pressure
@@mallysixfour His "disadvantage state"? He is hardly ever at disadvantage, what are you talking about?
Kawano has a video dedicated to counter Bison ベガ shadow rise. Summary what to do
1) Air to air react as soon as shadow rise start up (lose to OD shadow rise => OD devil reverse)
2) Use normal to anti air when Bison do regular shadow rise (lose to shadow rise => delay head stomp)
3) Parry the head stomp, then neutral jump air to air (lose to shadow rise => do nothing / Bison escape by retreating in air after head stomp)
4) Parry the head stomp, then drive rush to catch Bison retreating in air after head stomp (lose to shadow rise => do nothing)
If you use it correctly, you can beat pretty much anything. Canceling Shadow Rise instantly with hands can beat any attempts if you space it correctly. I am doing it all the time. It is pretty safe and annoying. Parrying the Head Stomp is hard and the fall can be empty so if you parry the second hit, you can get Punished counter with a throw.
Shadow rise is so stupid lol. The fact that there’s this much nuance and counterplay on *both* sides for a move that Bison can *just do* with no context in neutral is ridiculous.
I feel like Bison is just that character for people who have absolutely no ability / desire to play more traditional SF neutral. Just throw out scissors, headstomp, drive rush, etc. Hes basically playing DNF duel against street fighter characters. I honestly can’t stand the way the character plays, regardless of how strong or weak he is.
Some Honda specific advice.
Both scissors and p.crusher are airborne moves, if you do sumo headbutt *after* they start, you'll beat both cleanly.
Up until a mine lands, damage output is heavily in your favor.
Bison players know that, so they'll make landing that mine priority number one.
Play defensive at first. Not only does it make reacting to stuff easier, but it will also let you know how patient, or impatient, the Bison player is.
If it's the latter focus on checking DR and headbutting scissors.
You don't even have to be perfect. In my humble plat 4 world, many Bison players will get frustrated even if you only counter them 3 out of 5 times.
Oh, and Bison is still a charge character at the end of the day.
And anyone who spends most of the time holding down/back is asking for an Oicho throw.
Any charge character can be forced to lose charge with overheads and crossup too, they can parry I guess but then they lose to the throws again.
Scissors kick push back is insane. It makes it almost impossible to beating him with certain characters.
Lol he have to space scissor kicks for him to be safe
Every characters have a jab combo. You need to lab the one of your character.
It's meant to be a spacing trap like Cammy's kick. But there are ways to punish Double Knee Press.
@@LeoDynasty95quit acting like it’s hard to space, you just can’t do it point blank
@@saucegod6238 lmao so true
Those flashbacks gave me flashbacks! Excellent video~
I was really struggling against Bison as Lily and this video was wonderful at covering why, thank you!
Lol! Love that SFV PTSD flashbacks intro. It really does appear that the PTSD is for real as all of my friends has been feeling and saying the same thing.
Great job on giving advance on how to approach Bison and I'm happy to see that you agree with the things I've been complaining about. Crossing fingers for Capcom to nerf bison much before evo starts.
Thanks for the tips Mura!
After I got salty online I did some labbing. Been trying to interrupt scissor kicks with Ryu stand mk, and I realized the scissor kicks aren't so bad on the drive gauge so at least there is that. Anti airing as a shoto can be baited but he loses some option
Scissor Kick is not even an issue for Ryu because of 5f slk. If Bison mispaces or cancels buttons into it then it's very easy to punish on block.
It's the other characters that don't have a 5f button like this where it becomes much harder.
@@soggytoast111 Most of the characters have something. I don't believe any character is really not able to punish him.
1. Wait for his inevitable nerf.
2...
good luck waiting one year for season 3
@@xXxGodThanatosxXxwon’t be waiting that long they said more frequent patches this season sooo yeah enjoy his dumbass while y’all can ig
@@xXxGodThanatosxXxThey’re doing balance patches more often than once a year now
Not going to happen... it is Bison, they will buff him...
Tks broo , it helps a Lot this information😊
Loved the breakdown
You are the goat. One of the best channels out there.
Good video man
Good info. Thanks. 🙂
HAHAH that intro was great man :D
Honda player here.
I will never be a Bison player....
🤭
Thanks. I will give these strategies a shot.
Appreciate the video, loved the intro skit 😂
god your intros lately are actually god like
Good info here
Thank you Mura. I get 4 Bisons out of 5 casual matches in my Platinum 1 account. Lol i hate this guy so much
Air throws are very good at dealing with Bison's aerial shenanigans if your character is blessed enough to have one.
If you're cornered jumping back after blocking a knee press very often results in a punish on Bison if he throws another one trying to wear down your drive.
My character is not blessed enough to have one.
Delete Bison air attacks! Delete ALL air attacks in the game I can't consistently anti air due to direction changes and other random variables.
Somehow, he returned
Great guide, a little bit of patience and taking a look at his more common scenarios he isn’t so bad to deal with. Gotta know the anti-boss strats right?
Mura the goat
Very nice guide, thank you for this.
For people saying that we shouldn't talk about him getting nerfed, are you serious? Him and Akuma are in leagues of their own with how broken they are. I will learn to deal with them, but I want to see them nerfed.
Nice video Mura, but I think you could / should go into how to counter Scissor Kicks a bit more as that is THE move that is killing people right now. Specifically when your opponent is using it over and over.
Things you can do:
- Neutral Jump
- Perfect Parry (very risky imo)
- Drive Impact (have to do it very early)
- EX move
- Pre-emptive far-reaching move (e.g. Ken stand RH)
- Use a Drive Reversal as you are blocking the Scissors
There's no great answer and as you say in the video, blocking is usually the best option, but you can't always do it.
Would love to see what tech you and others have to deal with it!
@@thegoldengunman The issue is that i don't believe you can parry itnon reaction since light is 13F and that's just not reactable at all so it's gonna be a wish parry. The other options like far reaching move or DI are also just wishful answers tbh
@@MCMuraFGC Yep I agree but my point is you can't just do nothing all the time right? What's the best challenge and why?
Dealing with Devil's Reverse is also worth putting some tips for as that move has a lot of nuance.
Loving the video, just pointing out what would make it even better!
@@thegoldengunman That's the ultimate problem. Unless you can predict the scissor kick will come you cannot do anything once you block the move. That's the problem, the move is TOO SAFE in Bison's favour which give him the unforgivable Low Risk = High Reward advantage which shouldn't be the case for any fighter in any fighting game unless you are going up against the boss. Last time I've checked, Bison is not a boss character in SF6, he is part of the fighting roster so he should be balanced with that in mind. Ryu is a great example... All of his special move enders can be heavily punished: his hadouken, Shoryuken, Tatsu, Slice Blade and even his hashogeki. Even all of his supers have serious resistions while other character have major luxuries (e.g. Ryu's Lvl2 is incredibly short range and a tiny invincibility window, but Deejay, Luke, Marisa, Cammy, Ed, and many others have a long range super with huge invincibility windows which is messed up) that give them serious advantages. So wHy should Bison has the luxury of having a special and a super that are too safe in his favour? That isn't good and going too much into the MvC realm.
So yeah... All those that saying Bison needs to be nerfed, it's in mind of the scissor kick. I hope Capcom do something about it for it shouldn't be this safe in consideration of other fighters.
As for Devil's Reverse. Yeah, i think some good tips would be interesting for that one. However, that move is basically the same as SF2's Devil Reverse therefore if you know how to handle it in SF2 then you'll know how to deal with it in SF6.
It is easy to do a Punish Counter on block. The only way Bison can get away with it is by spacing the move.
@@MCMuraFGC You need to bait it with a neutral jump.
I’ve never liked bison until this game he’s so cool now
Patience is key to beat bison
Hey Mura , you definitely can land meaty hits after light and medium mine .. you just need to cancel your dr into them early and let Bison slide a bit (I tested with back hk , s.hk and st.mp). I don’t know if this is what you meant by “over committing” though.
It’s still a useful guide either way , thanks for the upload
Its only on the quick rise, if the opponent does a back recovery the distance is too much. You can get the hit but you likely won't get a follow combo because there will be too much distance. It is in the video
My mistake ! Thanks for the reply
Even with this tops hes Stilo on advantage akways
After getting him to master, I can safely say that he is not as strong as I though he would be. Not having a wakeup reversal and a decent Level 1 / Level 2, is really hurting him. The only way to win is to go fish with Drive Rush Cancel with a blockstring of medium punches.
Now to see if I remember any of this while getting my ass beat lmao
I did wakeup kikosho to counter a meaty psycho crusher and my kikosho got snuffed….😢
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You’re telling me I only get a light kick punish from kicks? Ridiculous
Cant you twitch react his scissor kicks in neutral with DI or perfect parry? Similar to ehonda headbutt or blank ball
Its a lot faster, light startup is 13 frames which i don't think is reactable
At the end, the only good strategy against Bison is to not let him do anything to you. It sounds like a joke, but it's the same with Akuma. The problem is that Bison is even more ridiculous in this game. Just don'tlet him get started. Think Bison ST. Same thing.
Hopefully this video help. I understand most of his moves so I can block...but that's it lol no punish he's always too far
Bison is definitely op, i can't deal with with using Akuma, online is all about crouched back fishing for lows and drive rush, plus his jab almost always win on wake up, during missed combos and even at the end of his combos
The fame data people going to say his jab is 4 frames like everyone else lol it’s clearly faster the the fames they say it is
You are using Akuma... you have no excuses.
Wow I must suck at this game cause I thought bison was kinda toned down from sfv and a bit worse but if ppl struggle this much and he’s got this much going for him idek
Playing against Bison as a Lily main seriously upsets me lol
Red sleevesvand gold necklace
You forgot to mention that bomb he puts inside you that explodes.
He spent 4 minutes on it, what do you mean?
Just block it, tap him with a light to get if off
I main lily theres no way to punish scissors unless he messes up at point blank range i thought id be able to grab but thats gief range plus he can punish wind stock on reaction from full screen is crazy might be her worst matchup
She can punish scissor with st.LP mostly better than many of the roster. At least the closer range one. Record Bison doing st.LP three times and then cancel to LK scissors and she still get a st.LP punish on him.
St.lp is 5F, so you can Drive Rsh cancel...
However Lili is having one of the best counter of the game...
LP Mexican Typhoon is 5F Startup you genius...
OD Mexican Typhoon is 5F also and do a whooping 3350 Damage, so please stop crying...
It just took me 2 minutes to discover in the training mode... man, you guys are cry babies...
@@MCMuraFGC LP Mexican Typhoon if 5F startup. It is a sure punish counter... Same as Zangief LP SPD.
They made Bison too much fun to play, too easy to win with, and too frustrating to lose against. It makes people WANT to play him, but it also punishes anyone who doesn't. I have fought 130 Bisons vs 233 Akumas. Akuma's been out 5 weeks? Bison only 1.
I'm in here as a Bison main 👀
Same wtf they tryna plan 😂
Remove that video right now.
From: a fellow Bison player
I’ve been waiting for Bison to return but I’m getting my ass whooped. I’m stuck in diamond 2 with him. I don’t know if I’m playing to honest or people are playing weird but it’s so hard for me to climb. 🤦♂️
Bison is not that great at high level, but he is a scrub killer like Honda. You need to abuse that Drive Rush cr.mp and the mp block string to fish for a hit confirm. If you cannot do that, you will not get far with him.
already sensing the incorrect info, you can dr meaty off light backfist with bhk and your di safe
Wtf is a meaty
Quick rise only, on back rise you have to delay the B.HK and even then you aren't getting anything on the hit and they can backdash, jump etc
This is like gambling but you lose 10 and possibly win 5. Worthless Tech
@@morocuda2090 Search up “the fgc glossary” great resource for explaining all kinds of terminology
one comment bro with Light Mine Bison can do Drive Rush into BHK which hits wakeup jabs and on block he is +7f
From my testing this only work on quick recovery, on back recovery the separation makes it so that you have to delay the B.HK to reach and then you are getting a trade. If you do get that trade timing, your B.HK will whiff if they don't do anything.
There is also zero reason not to back recover here, so i don't think the situation is great for him
@@MCMuraFGC ya it is not great for the light mine
His name is Vega and we need to start respecting this.
You’re fighting a losing battle here lol. As long as his name is listed in-game as Bison people are going to call him Bison
You can type in japanese as ベガ no problem, but for english you better type Bison
So your advice is “hope he doesnt know how to space, because if he does, you are out of luck”. Thanks!
That's (spacing and creating spacing traps) almost the entire meta for Street fighter, what nonsense
yea spacing actually applies to every character lol
I have been waiting for Bison since the first time I heard about SF 6 being released. He is one of my favorites since SF 2: Turbo. However, I believe once the newness of the character and scrubbiness of the players complaining passes in the next month or so, people will find that he is pretty limited compared to other characters. Ken by far has so many more options for his game plan than Bison, but people finally narrowed him down and the complaints have drastically subsided. This is day 4 of his release, so people need to chill and take some deep breathes until some work has been put into figuring out the optimal counters to Bison. Patience is a virtue and not everything can be done instantly.
You’re talking out your ass. Idk why fgc plays always have sudden amnesia but the thing that reeled ken back and more in line were the nerfs to the character. Like quite literally they had to nerf c.MKen because it was so good and that alone brought him so much more in line. Did we also forget dmg nerfs? Like bro, you must’ve hit your head
@@aa7146 Go cry to your mom!
@@user-og6zk8qm6bokay?
@@user-og6zk8qm6b You’re still fucking wrong, but now my mom knows.
@@user-og6zk8qm6b now you’re still fucking wrong and my moms knows too
Tired of these bissons mashing me to death lol
This character is broken.
MAYBE theres some recency bias here, but im feeling like Bison is the most broken character out of the gate we've gotten yet. I bought him and was gonna start playing him but now its the same problem as i had with Akuma, im already bored of him from having to play against him so much. But ive never said a character needed nerfed so fast in a long time lol. As a Cammy main, he's really pissing me off
Really I'm a Cammy main too and I feel like he's pretty easy to deal with lol his lack of a invincible wake up option makes him food for Cammy
Im an akuma main and my air game and fireball game are Important but he shuts those down and it's frustrating for sure
@rptone4813 I jump so he doesn't know when to scissors non stop.
I think Akuma is still a little more annoying to deal with. But Bison needs some serious damage scaling. His 8k damage combos are not technical enough in my opinion to be considered "earned."
@@thebigskip-e akuma is not more annoying than bison tell me why you believe that
The horse was completely unnecessary
He needs it
Necessary*
Exactly, thats what makes it badass, he just likes that shit😂
Yeah, like all noob stomp characters, learn how to parry and get good
Drive impact is a good answer against raw scissors unless he cancels them into lv3.
It’s not a good answer it’s a guess
You need to DI scissors within 5 frames of it starting. Can you react to something within 5 frames?
@@Shakenbake-in9ux exactly. People just be saying stuff
Canceling Scisor in Level 3 is extremely hard because you need to cancel on the first hit. However doing a Drive Impact against Scisor Knees is a really bad idea, and it is coming from someone doing Drive Impact of neutral Special Moves all the time.
Why do you TH-camrs keep making how to beat these DLC characters instead of focusing on some of the main cast like JURI, CAMMY!!!, I would say rashid but Broski already broke down how to beat him.. let us have some fun with the new characters
Nice video tho
I had already done videos on Cammy, Blanka, Marisa, Kimberly, JP, Ken, etc
Bro said “let me get my cheap sh*t off before people figure me out.”
@@MCMuraFGC it’s no disrespect I love your page and learned a lot from your page my brother, you’re one of my favourite gaming pages but it’s nothing towards you I’ve just seen a lot of TH-camrs focus on new characters and how to beat them rather than focusing on the main cast of fighters… I personally hate facing juri and I’m probably 30/50 against her and I can’t figure out cammy but I look for guide videos and I simply can’t find any videos explaining in detail how to beat her and now I’m starting to hate ryu 🤣😭 can’t seem to ever take my turn back for whatever reason
@@MCMuraFGC I am also subscribed been a subscriber 💯
@@marillstreep5005 cheap shit? lol first of all minding your business cost nothing it’s actually free… secondly Luke is still the cheapest character in the game next to rashid cammy juri and aki is climbing that ladder too
I dont think bison will be top tier. For someone who wants to play him till the other dlcs get released i am starting to see his bad mus. His stomp and devils reverse is weak to someone who can do air to air. Random DI works against scissors. Neutral jump works as well.
Gotta make the downplay more subtle. Throwing out random DIs is not a good counter if you're not in Rookie. -$7
@@thehockeymontages4338 No, I got him to master and he struggle at high level because you need to fish for a hit confirm. Honestly, he is doing insane damage with the right setup, but his defense is pretty weak. Once he is in the corner, it is over.
If you having problems with this game, don't think of this game as a real fighter but more of a way less challenging pushing button simulator. Mobile games offer more than a challenge than this game ever could.
😂😂😂now this is some funny trolling
They Fixed Ken's run :)
Heard about it and very glad they did