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this mi movie was amazing, I love how they studied antisocial personality disorder and made the characters as sociopathic as they possibly could, the ending was a bit cheesy, but I like how they set up saw 11, and brought John Kramer back from the fuckin dead
Your SAW videos are what got me into your channel and when this movie was announced, your reaction was what I was looking forward to the most. Love your analysis and viewpoints! Watching your Lion King review after this!
There's a reviewer that use negative score for so bad it's good movie, like a -10 would be The Room, a 0 would be for movie the reviewer dislike, oh I remember now Jello Apocalypse, that's a more useful system
Daler Mehndi is who I thought you was talking about. The *Indian green screen king,* famous for the hit song _Tunak Tunak Tun_ Please God look this up if you don't get what I am referring to. You will thank me. It's an old meme. I'm 30.
i like to think that amanda brought the puppet to mexico. john calls her up like "hello amanda. grandpa got scammed on the internet. i need you to bring billy with you to mexico we cant let this shit stand"
You know what? I love the sheer *determination* of the directors of this movie series to stick to one singular timeline, for as messy as it is, to the end. Kramer died in 3 and all of this time we had to squeeze every second before that event when he was alive, but still that death is *final*
I don't know if it's humanly possible but I'd love to see all the scenes in Saw put into chronological order. Sounds like a great saw trap for editors.
Hello editor, id like to play a game. Years you have told stories out of order to push your own narrative. Now, it is time to right your wrongs. Before you is a 10 film series, you have 1 year before the next is released. Put every scene in chronological order. Good luck, editor.
Considering Kevin Greutert said that he viewed this film as a final movie with Tobin Bell and one final gift to the fans after we waited 10 years for a REAL Saw movie again, I kind of view that final scene as a curtain call and bow to the fans as well as the polar opposite of the usual dark endings with a door or something slamming shut.
"Ugh Kramer dude, I waited 2 hours on the phone with the DOS just to find out their nearest appointment is a month and a half from now, it's just not gonna happen man, you'll have to torture without me" - Dr. Gordon, probably
Them trying to make Cecilia more evil than Jigsaw by putting a child in a trap is really funny when you remember that this movie is set after SAW 1, where Jigsaw had Gordon's wife and daughter as part of Zepp's game and he was supposed to kill them if Gordon failed.
Saw 1 is probably my least watched even thoe it’s one of the best I totally forgot about that damn I liked her but that 180 they pulled with her character was so lame final trap was just so mediocre
If it isn't part of Kramer's plan then it is "immoral". He even shouted it out loud that it is wrong in the movie but if it's in the plan then it's A-OKAY!
I think it all comes down to the fact that you can appreciate something as being a fun guilty pleasure while also being aware that it's all empty calories. While SAW 1 can be watched as a somewhat interesting, horror'y thriller in its own right, the rest of the franchise isn't exactly high culture. They aren't particularly good "as movies" and only occasionally dip into "so bad it's good"-territory, but they're still fun in their own way. I think we all have stuff like that. Stuff we know is low quality but that we enjoy nonetheless.
Talking of hilarious scenes, Gabriella throwing away the tape and refusing to hear the rules just to have John cut a live promo on her was so fucking funny to me, I actually burst out laughing in the theatre.
FYI in Jigsaw they DID explain that Logan was deployed in Afghanistan as a combat medic in 2001 and was in combat till 2008, so he basically missed the entirety of the Saw franchise, but he was there helping Jigsaw prior to Hoffman's recruitment. Jigsaw began his killing career in Feburary 1995 (Year of the Pig, Chinese New Year) and he was active as Jigsaw until his death in 2006. He only rose to prominence in 2002, which is around the time Mark Hoffman committed his copycat crime.
So John had terminal cancer, and managed to live for 11 years, especially as an old man? Because his cancer and failing to end his life is what essentially kicked started the idea to become Jigsaw. As a retired veteran of this franchise.. I love it. hahahahaha
I saw it last night, trying to make this serial killer sympathetic by having the camera focus on his old man walk and him sitting on a park bench like any other grandpa had me laughing
saw X was cathartic for me; it mashes together an actually awful person with a faildaughter of another grifter, turns those personalities up to 11, and then goes "see? see? look at how bad this person we constructed is!". i fuckin' love it. it's a massive fuck you to the Gersons, grifters who scammed cancer patients - and whose actions actually killed my grandmother
godsbless you actually, that's an insane thing to fuckin have to go through and i legit wonder if that was an intentional kinda symmetry with the character in Saw X to be like that. yeah if that was intentional honestly a big W for the people making the film who put that in to shit on those kinds of events, because it does look very earnest how they film it in the movie as "genuinely we fucking hate these scam artists too and can't wait for you to just see them all burn lol"
@@TiffanyNeat Saw VI is a pretty explicit commentary on the American healthcare system... It's pretty on-brand for the Saw franchise to callout grifters who take advantage of the weak and vulnerable.
I think the reason we're forgiving how old Amanda looks is cause we'd rather have her look that old rather than them do a terrible job with de-aging CGI
"He was the best guy around" "What about his murders?" "What murders?!" Is the best way to describe our hilarious relationship with the Saw franchise. It's so camp and stupid you just gotta love it.
Saw X, as with every saw movie, is filled with issues and inconsistencies, but when you compare it to the recent movies (spiral and jigsaw) and even a lot of the mainline movies, it highlights a level of quality and self awareness to me. Kevin clearly knows what people want and manages to give it to us which i honestly really appreciate
I'm not a huge fan of the series, but this was easily the best sequel. I liked that they kept to the "We're actually trying to help you people!" motto. Total bs of course, but it worked since Jiggy and Amanda seemed to genuinely believe their own philosophy.
Not to mention, giving John more character and charm, which was needed besides seeing flashbacks Not that I don’t like the flashbacks, it’s just not straightforward storytelling for character building, but Tobin is the key to all of them
When I read that Saw X is the first film in the franchise in ages where it seemed like any of the victims were deserving of their situation, I ran to the theatres to see it.
@@noone3216Yeah absolutely, but also John Kramer is objectively a murderer. Like, the fact he thinks he's never killed anyone is insane and hilarious.
@@HOTD108_ Took my tired brain way too long to realise what you were referring to 😑🤦♂️ But yeh, would be like pulling a gun on someone and demanding they give you their money, and when they refuse, you shoot them in the face and say "wow, can't believe that guy committed suey like that" 😅
I watched this movie in an empty cinema with two other friends and it was one of the best movie experiences I've had. We were cheering, laughing, and joking the whole time. I've yet to find another franchise I can get this much enjoyment out of from a purely comedic side. We even gave it a standing ovation when the twist came. There's just something so fun about pointing out all the flaws and ridiculousness of a story only for it to be "explained" a few minutes later.
I had this experience when my canadian friend came to visit me when Slender was in theaters. He did fall asleep about 2/3 of the way through, but its still one of my favorite memories.
I always appreciate Adam can be a fan of a franchise while still acknowledging it is the dumbest set of movies ever created. I wish more fans were that chill
@imallergictobullets right but usually there's a twist to that, where like it's 3 criminals, 2 innocents on one side, and then like the other side is just an average joe. Now thinking back at it, really all the saw 6 traps Easton goes through reflect back some moral choice, simular to the morality of the trolly problem.
@@RealRobski It funny thinking back on what could be the best series of traps in the entire franchise happened because people hated people like Easton at the time and wanted them to suffer mentally
I do like that this movie is a direct reference to the experimental treatment that John is denied coverage for by Umbrella Insurance William in _Saw VI._ (The description of the method John gives to him is the same as is given to him by Cecilia.)
It's funny you guys say "there was not many people in my theater". For the first time in maybe forever my mom, dad, and I went to go see a movie together and it was empty, it was just us 3. It was the best experience ever. It's like we rented out the small theater room to watch Saw X. Honestly what a blast.
I just love that they tried to make the seesaw scene with the kid getting waterboarded genuinely triumphant. I can’t help but laugh when Jigsaw turns to the kid and calls him a “warrior,” especially since Jigsaw has had no problem endangering and potentially killing children in the previous movies. Still, I genuinely enjoyed the movie even knowing that it was bad. Like Adam says, they gave audiences what they wanted.
I fucking died laughing when right after that they hand the kid a big bag of money and say “let’s get you home” while the other two are fighting to the death in the next room, genuinely comedy gold
It's big time back pedalling. They trying to build 1-3 more films with Jigsaw as the anti-hero and tbh whilst its obvious, its a welcome change to the saw formula for me.
@@ChefBrownSauceit’s even more hilarious they managed to track down some of the stolen money from the cancer victims and instead of returning it to their families they just give it to the random kid they waterboarded😂
About the girl that survived (then got killed lmao) the radiation machine, even if she didn't get killed... Wouldn't she just have turbo cancer from all that exposure?? Funny to think jigsaw of all people would give someone cancer
A standout moment to me was after John's "operation", you see his Newfound outlook on life and possibly a glimmer of hope turning him away from his work, specifically crumpling up the designs for the rack
@@orangeoak5319 He probably redrew it from scratch and thought about the flaws or potential improvements on the second go-around. Engineers rarely put version 1.0 of their designs into production.
“Earnest” is the essence of Saw. No matter how bad and stupid they are, the movies take themselves dead serious so it’s not a farce, people CAN get invested and like it genuinely, and they’re even funnier because of it. To me, they’re almost to Breen-levels of being unintended masterpieces.
the scene where Valentina just says fuck it and goes ham on her leg was awesome, was hoping she wouldve made it. but seeing the doctor woman gut her and say "we have a rope" made me laugh so hard in the theatre
That moment felt to me like a callback to Amanda digging through her cellmate's stomach for the reverse bear trap key in the first movie. Of course, where the original film was better imo for showing very little, this shows everything.
I honestly would love it if they were just like “Oh yeah, Jigsaw had a body double the whole time and he was actually in hiding between Saw 3 and Jigsaw” Like the series went off the rails pretty much 2 movies in, so just lean into it, I always liked it when the series didn’t take itself super seriously when it came to the big twists.
they should even do what Origins did to COD Zombies, just wipe over the old stuff and start a new story with the same premise and same cool characters, no one cares bout the canon story timeline anymore
I honestly think the biggest "twist" of the movie was that the chains could be removed without a key. Like, the key was just for show, and John and Amanda just had to fiddle with it to release it. That was the part that really made me go "What!?" in the theater
I love how Adam has the scenes memorized. Like what scene is from which movie. No hesitation. Also I agree. I want to see more Hoffman. When I saw or even HEARD Jigsaw mention "detective" in X, I was fangirling
Is jigsaw like Santa Clause? He knows when you've been drinking and knows when you are high. Knows when you've been bad or good, so be good, or you'll end up in a death trap
I think this is the best route to go with the series at this point Sweet grandpa John Kramer and his quirky adopted daughter Amanda putting terrible people in traps lol
I watched this movie in dbox as those were the only good seats available and I died fucking laughing when the seat moved side to side while the girl was cutting off her own leg. This is the best experience I have had with Dbox or any movie add on in a theater.
23:03 thata wrong, saw x is not the first time we see jigsaw crying. In saw 3, when jigsaw is about to die, he has a single tear run down his face. Trust me on this, i have sawtism
41:00 had the same exact surgery when i was 19. i definitely felt some pressure on the skull right after but they were pumping me with so much painkillers i could hardly process it. i was walking within maybe a few days i’m not saying it’s implausible. but since he had nothing to compare it to they could’ve just pumped him full of painkillers to keep his head foggy and prevent him from thinking too hard on it
56:17 Sound guy here. The “AI” scene was definitely an example over over-aggressive de-noising that caused artifacts. Which is also technically AI software lol
Yay, it's back. ngl, I was legit bothered when critic reviews kept saying "it's actually a proper movie this time". I was like "NO, GIVE ME MY NONSENSE PLEASE."
Its a true crime to not remember that Hoffman said "Of all the people to cheat you pick John Kramer? I call that Epic Bad Luck." at the end of Saw X. Here's hoping we get to Saw XXX with nothing but Hoffman and Kramer.
Saw XI. A concept film about Hoffman trying to find any ways to survive in the bathroom. He's eating rats, drinking tap water, making tools out of skeletons the whole movie, picks apart the clogged bath and finds the key for the chain. He ambushes Lawrence Gordon and says "Didn't SAW this coming?" before drowning him in the toilet
Oh my god, Jigsaw is just gonna make a bunch of AI videos of himself talking to his victims so all of his 30 apprentices can continue his work, he’s a mad genius!
Honestly I think the best way to follow up this is to do a SAW WAR... Hoffman going after Jigsaw Guy and Spiral Guy on his path to get back at Dr. Gordon...
Yes on the AI audio, the scene when John is going in for the procedure and the femur girl / nurse greets him stood out so much I had to go back and watch it again to be sure.
Loved how the ending scene of him walking into the sunset with Amanda and the kid perfectly mirrors the ending of Resident Evil 2 with Leon, Claire and the kid lol
18:10 I mean Jigsaw’s utter contempt for drug addicts almost certainly stems from the fact that it was a drug addict that caused his wife to have a miscarriage.
My take on a saw in space would be that the teachings and beliefs of John Kramer balloon into a proper cult with many followers and that a small selection of this cult take over either a civilian spaceship built for long term space travel or a remote outpost on a distant planet where the games are held. There’s a trap where the vacuum of space is used, a trap involving zero gravity, and a futuristic take on the reverse bear trap. An AI John Kramer is made from police archives and voice recordings.
The twist is that he’s Luke Skywalker’s father, which is a split personality of the main character played by Ed Norton, yet none of this matters because it’s all an elaborate VR saw trap called the matrix. Post credit scene reveals Bruce Willis has been dead the whole time.
I saw this on opening day with a smattering of other people at the screening I went to, the highlight was the autistic teenager (who somehow convinced his mum to take him) reacting with unrestrained delight to every bit of fan service like a comic book nerd at a Marvel movie
I laughed so hard when he goes back and the lights are all flickering like they left all of their videos and evidence behind but they did remember to take the electricity with them 😂😂😂
I'm glad I'm not the only one who never remembers how Spiral went and what traps they had... Already seen the film twice and I still don't remember what happened without prompting
Mark Kermode pointed out that the SAW series is the MIlennium's Grand Guignol and I haven't stopped thinking about that since. "It is set pieces, visceral excess, strung together by a plot."
@@itsbreadbin agreed, it's pretty convenient that Tobin Bell wound up in the 'hold your breath' machine instead of the 'cut off your leg and suck out the bone marrow' machine
@@ImTheHamSandwich it's also incredibly convenient that the guy just so happened to pass out/sleep in the office, giving Jigsaw plenty of time to sabotage his gun. As well as both he and his girlfriend just so happening to go up to the office at the same time, taking the money, and both getting locked inside at just the right time. How did Jigsaw even know he'd be forced to enter one of his own traps, anyway? How could he possibly have known that? The guy could have just beaten Jigsaw to death instead. What was stopping him?
23:01 this isn't even true! Jigsaw cries in Saw III after Amanda dies, and you can see the tear rolling down his face as he's explaining the rules to Jeff's game.
Happy to finally hear Adums thoughts on this one. I know he always enjoyed these on a "so bad they're fun" level. But i always genuinely enjoyed these movies.
I gotta say… even if the movie itself is the most worthless one ever made, in the entire history of movies, that grey-scale image of a guy screaming with vacuum tubes coming out of his eyes in an X pattern is worth billions. One of the most brilliant marketing strategies I’ve ever seen, you have to find out what happens to him.
@@za-ir5ni Admittedly I could have phrased my own comment better. I never meant to say that it WAS the worst one, only that EVEN IF it were the worst that thumbnail would still be a masterpiece. To be honest, I’m not enough of a fan to go see the movie but I’m glad that it’s getting positive reviews.
I actually thought - for reasons unknown!! - that bugs would come down through those tubes and eat his eyes and brains. When I saw the poster that's what I thought it was! Then in the film, when I saw a machine attached and no bugs, I thought it was acid?? So you shoulda SEEN MY FACE when they sucked out his eyeballs!!!! Incredible. How did you know they were vacuum tubes?
@@skunkjo3195 Those were some super vivid guesses, I envy your imagination :p I sort of spoiled it for myself by watching the trailer where Jigsaw mentions the vacuum. To their credit, it ends right when he breaks his first finger so I had no idea where the scene went. So his eyes do get sucked out huh? As an artist, I think I’d successfully make the finger sacrifice. There must be more to the scene though, I’ll have to watch it when it gets posted online.
The "Jig-f*cking-saw" line was in reference to Jigsaw (2017). Logan's redhead assistant who is way too into Jigsaw to the point she's on dedicated fan forums says it around the 31:10 marker (at least in the version of Jigsaw I watched). I knew it sounded familiar so i had to go back and check it.
I don't know why but the cover for this movie looks equally horrifying and hilarious. So in a way it fits the Saw franchise perfectly, it's beautifully confusing.
without knowing anything about the movie, seeing those black spots on the pipes made me think there are insects inside and this contraption is supposed to just pump a bunch of bees into a victim's eyes not sure how that would work
@@KomoraKriogenicznai just commented this elsewhere, but I totally thought it'd be like beetles or flesh-eating bugs! And if not that, then acid. So it blew my mind when it sucked up his whole ass eyeballs. Incredible
We need a giant saw movie/marathon, all events in order, just so we know when tf that scene in saw 7 flashback where John is wearing the backwards hat happens in everything
Honestly though, I've seen terminal Cancer patients who, after enough health decline, can very quickly look 2-3 times their age. That's part of what makes this disease so terrifying, the visual deterioration. Even with treatment, it can wither you away at least for a while to look like a grandpa in your 40s. I don't want to imagine seeing that in a mirror.
Hearing you two talk about SAW X on a Sunday morning is such a treat. I was giddy watching SAW X the night it was released in theaters, and it’s my second favorite of the franchise. The only thing i wasn’t as thrilled by, was the ‘final’ trap. Just having her survive is fine, but it also makes no since considering both her and her husband could have stayed alive. But I’m happy with the final product. Would watch it again!
Lmaoo the ending where Alex asks adum which movie certain traps are from just reminds me of the interview footage from the Saw YMS’ of Cary elwes being asked similar questions but getting them all wrong
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this mi movie was amazing, I love how they studied antisocial personality disorder and made the characters as sociopathic as they possibly could, the ending was a bit cheesy, but I like how they set up saw 11, and brought John Kramer back from the fuckin dead
Hoffman gets shit done, I feel its a guarantee hes in the next one
Glad to see IHE back
1 timeline because Jon Kramer is in his 80s
Your SAW videos are what got me into your channel and when this movie was announced, your reaction was what I was looking forward to the most. Love your analysis and viewpoints! Watching your Lion King review after this!
Adam gleefully talking about how much he loved Saw X for one and a half hours becomes even funnier when you know he still gave it just a 4/10
When the franchise's waterline is Spiral... anything goes.
@@kreese-yi2nbIdk what you're talking about. I thought the Jigsaw copycat sounding like a vengeful answering machine was a wonderful new direction.
Agreed. A fun movie doesn't necessarily also mean good movie.
As a movie on it's own it's ok-ish but as a Saw movie It's miles ahead of how the franchise has gone
There's a reviewer that use negative score for so bad it's good movie, like a -10 would be The Room, a 0 would be for movie the reviewer dislike, oh I remember now Jello Apocalypse, that's a more useful system
This movie kind of felt like a twisted version of a Dhar Mann video. "Evil Doctor LIES to cancer patient, lives to regret it"
Someone should make a thumbnail
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@@Agent_CobaltTy 😮tt😮y😮
*puppet voice* what happens in darkness always comes to light…
Daler Mehndi is who I thought you was talking about. The *Indian green screen king,* famous for the hit song _Tunak Tunak Tun_
Please God look this up if you don't get what I am referring to. You will thank me. It's an old meme. I'm 30.
Game over.
John Kramer. Johon Kramer. Jun Krumer. John Krooder
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I REFUSE to call it Saw X.
I'll keep calling it Saw Twitter.
Damn, got them LOL
I'm glad somebody made that joke
Amazing
I can't stop reading it as socks.
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i like to think that amanda brought the puppet to mexico. john calls her up like "hello amanda. grandpa got scammed on the internet. i need you to bring billy with you to mexico we cant let this shit stand"
Love this
a funnier idea to me is that they have one of the other 5 apprentices zoom call billy in
"Did they just scam me?"
"I'm callin Miguel. I ain't havin that".
That’s so funny 🤣🤣
DAMN! @@Jdog13425
You know what? I love the sheer *determination* of the directors of this movie series to stick to one singular timeline, for as messy as it is, to the end. Kramer died in 3 and all of this time we had to squeeze every second before that event when he was alive, but still that death is *final*
Which, in Saw’s defense, makes it better than a multiverse plot.
@@nont18411 At this point, we have to ask what is not better than a multiverse plot.
And they won’t use ghosts or hallucinations. Respect
How could you leave out Hoffman saying “Epic bad luck” during the end credits scene. I lost my mind in the theater lmao
At first I cringed but then I quickly realised it was exactly what Hoffman would say. He probably practised the delivery in the mirror.
@@elisecunliffe1123 it would have also been taking place in like 2002, so of course he'd say something like that
DUDE
When I heard that in the theaters... Oh my god I laughed so damn hard
for a moment i thought he was going to say "epic fail" 😭
It's period appropriate!
I don't know if it's humanly possible but I'd love to see all the scenes in Saw put into chronological order. Sounds like a great saw trap for editors.
Hello editor, id like to play a game. Years you have told stories out of order to push your own narrative. Now, it is time to right your wrongs. Before you is a 10 film series, you have 1 year before the next is released. Put every scene in chronological order. Good luck, editor.
I just had a hard belly laugh thinking about this. The insane task this would entail.
Making all the reveals look really silly.
My question is how would you approach the crossover/cocurrent scenes of 3 and 4? Are we going split screen or rapid scene cuts? Lmao
@@RollingScone That's exactly when the message cuts and the Saw theme starts playing 👀
The ending with Jigsaw walking into the sunset was the funniest and most abrupt part of any Saw film.
Followed by a fade to black and white like it's some tribute "in loving memory" of the Jigsaw Killer
@@hristol7537 Killing is distasteful! to me
Considering Kevin Greutert said that he viewed this film as a final movie with Tobin Bell and one final gift to the fans after we waited 10 years for a REAL Saw movie again, I kind of view that final scene as a curtain call and bow to the fans as well as the polar opposite of the usual dark endings with a door or something slamming shut.
@@tmac326that's what i took from the closing scene too
@@tmac326yeah it's weird to think that this is probably the happiest ending of any Saw movie lol
Adum was taking notes in the theater looking like Jigsaw drawing his saw traps in the park.
“And this time Hoffman gets his passport” I love the implication that none of the other apprentices bothered to get their passports
Weird they give Amanda a ex convicted and drug addict a passports
"Ugh Kramer dude, I waited 2 hours on the phone with the DOS just to find out their nearest appointment is a month and a half from now, it's just not gonna happen man, you'll have to torture without me" - Dr. Gordon, probably
Tbf that's not so far outside the realm of possibility. I'm almost 40 and have never had a passport.
Them trying to make Cecilia more evil than Jigsaw by putting a child in a trap is really funny when you remember that this movie is set after SAW 1, where Jigsaw had Gordon's wife and daughter as part of Zepp's game and he was supposed to kill them if Gordon failed.
And don't forget Saw 3 where he traumatized an innocent child and got both parents killed
Saw 1 is probably my least watched even thoe it’s one of the best I totally forgot about that damn I liked her but that 180 they pulled with her character was so lame final trap was just so mediocre
If it isn't part of Kramer's plan then it is "immoral". He even shouted it out loud that it is wrong in the movie but if it's in the plan then it's A-OKAY!
Everyone already forgot about Donnie Wahlberg’s son in Saw 2
@@BlackThreath1234didn't aManda do that one?
I weirdly like that YMS is an actual fan of Saw, to the point that he knows where every trap and character was first seen.
He did do a YMS on them up to seven, so makes sense after all that editing
Yeah, autism is a hell of a drug.
it's a fun reminder that Adum actually applies himself in his videos
even if he's not a fanboy, he's done the research
@@T-roccBABYsawtism
I think it all comes down to the fact that you can appreciate something as being a fun guilty pleasure while also being aware that it's all empty calories. While SAW 1 can be watched as a somewhat interesting, horror'y thriller in its own right, the rest of the franchise isn't exactly high culture. They aren't particularly good "as movies" and only occasionally dip into "so bad it's good"-territory, but they're still fun in their own way.
I think we all have stuff like that. Stuff we know is low quality but that we enjoy nonetheless.
Talking of hilarious scenes, Gabriella throwing away the tape and refusing to hear the rules just to have John cut a live promo on her was so fucking funny to me, I actually burst out laughing in the theatre.
She really got the VIP treatment
FYI in Jigsaw they DID explain that Logan was deployed in Afghanistan as a combat medic in 2001 and was in combat till 2008, so he basically missed the entirety of the Saw franchise, but he was there helping Jigsaw prior to Hoffman's recruitment.
Jigsaw began his killing career in Feburary 1995 (Year of the Pig, Chinese New Year) and he was active as Jigsaw until his death in 2006. He only rose to prominence in 2002, which is around the time Mark Hoffman committed his copycat crime.
YES THANK U. I WISHED THEY WATCHED A TIMELINE VIDEO. LIKE IT SUPER HELPS
@@TheSinisterProdigyif you have to do Homework to get it, it doesnt make sense
yeah but ive got a funny feeling wer'e literally never going to hear about that dude ever again
So John had terminal cancer, and managed to live for 11 years, especially as an old man? Because his cancer and failing to end his life is what essentially kicked started the idea to become Jigsaw.
As a retired veteran of this franchise.. I love it. hahahahaha
@@stardoogalaxie9314
If you tryin' make sense of this franchise.. you're not gonna have fun. haha
I saw it last night, trying to make this serial killer sympathetic by having the camera focus on his old man walk and him sitting on a park bench like any other grandpa had me laughing
Sitting on a park bench while drawing trap designs to torture people in the future.
What a lovely old man.😂
@@nont18411I guess he also went back to take his drawing from the trash, lol.
i kinda liked it tbh, it was fun to see what a deranged character like him does on a typical day lol
The thing is that these movies seem to unironically think that Jigsaw isn't a killer (even though he literally is, like objectively lmao).
saw X was cathartic for me; it mashes together an actually awful person with a faildaughter of another grifter, turns those personalities up to 11, and then goes "see? see? look at how bad this person we constructed is!". i fuckin' love it. it's a massive fuck you to the Gersons, grifters who scammed cancer patients - and whose actions actually killed my grandmother
Well, fuck those people. Sorry that happened to you.
godsbless you actually, that's an insane thing to fuckin have to go through and i legit wonder if that was an intentional kinda symmetry with the character in Saw X to be like that. yeah if that was intentional honestly a big W for the people making the film who put that in to shit on those kinds of events, because it does look very earnest how they film it in the movie as "genuinely we fucking hate these scam artists too and can't wait for you to just see them all burn lol"
@@TiffanyNeat Saw VI is a pretty explicit commentary on the American healthcare system... It's pretty on-brand for the Saw franchise to callout grifters who take advantage of the weak and vulnerable.
I think the reason we're forgiving how old Amanda looks is cause we'd rather have her look that old rather than them do a terrible job with de-aging CGI
DE-AGING IS DISTASTEFUL!... To me.
"He was the best guy around" "What about his murders?" "What murders?!" Is the best way to describe our hilarious relationship with the Saw franchise. It's so camp and stupid you just gotta love it.
Saw X, as with every saw movie, is filled with issues and inconsistencies, but when you compare it to the recent movies (spiral and jigsaw) and even a lot of the mainline movies, it highlights a level of quality and self awareness to me. Kevin clearly knows what people want and manages to give it to us which i honestly really appreciate
I'm not a huge fan of the series, but this was easily the best sequel. I liked that they kept to the "We're actually trying to help you people!" motto. Total bs of course, but it worked since Jiggy and Amanda seemed to genuinely believe their own philosophy.
Not to mention, giving John more character and charm, which was needed besides seeing flashbacks
Not that I don’t like the flashbacks, it’s just not straightforward storytelling for character building, but Tobin is the key to all of them
People want badly written movies that have over 10 sequels?
@@Deadman1000 🤓
When I read that Saw X is the first film in the franchise in ages where it seemed like any of the victims were deserving of their situation, I ran to the theatres to see it.
My favorite line in this entire movie is when the doctor asks Jig saw what he does and he goes "I help people", I just couldn't stop laughing
"You'll never understand an antagonist until you can understand how they're the protagonist in their world."
Or yknow, something like that.
And this was right after leaving Adam to die alone in the dark lol
@@noone3216Yeah absolutely, but also John Kramer is objectively a murderer. Like, the fact he thinks he's never killed anyone is insane and hilarious.
@@HOTD108_ Took my tired brain way too long to realise what you were referring to 😑🤦♂️
But yeh, would be like pulling a gun on someone and demanding they give you their money, and when they refuse, you shoot them in the face and say "wow, can't believe that guy committed suey like that" 😅
I watched this movie in an empty cinema with two other friends and it was one of the best movie experiences I've had. We were cheering, laughing, and joking the whole time. I've yet to find another franchise I can get this much enjoyment out of from a purely comedic side.
We even gave it a standing ovation when the twist came. There's just something so fun about pointing out all the flaws and ridiculousness of a story only for it to be "explained" a few minutes later.
I had this experience when my canadian friend came to visit me when Slender was in theaters. He did fall asleep about 2/3 of the way through, but its still one of my favorite memories.
I always appreciate Adam can be a fan of a franchise while still acknowledging it is the dumbest set of movies ever created. I wish more fans were that chill
It’s cause he doesn’t love them in spite of the camp but because of it.
Describing Adum as chill is hilarious
Im that way with Sandler movies. I know theyre awful but still love them....except jack and jill that one was a bit much
You're not a real fan if you can't acknowledge the flaws in what you like.
"I don't think they actually waterboarded a 90-year-old man." - Adam YMS, 2023
They did waterboard a child tho, that's fair game
genuinely surprised they have used the actual trolley problem as a trap yet
Basically what the hanging trap was in Saw 6, sorta
@@RealRobskiNot really, trolley is take action to kill fewer, or take no action and more die.
Saw 6 Carousel trap is what you are looking for. It's an excellent sequence.
@imallergictobullets right but usually there's a twist to that, where like it's 3 criminals, 2 innocents on one side, and then like the other side is just an average joe.
Now thinking back at it, really all the saw 6 traps Easton goes through reflect back some moral choice, simular to the morality of the trolly problem.
@@RealRobski It funny thinking back on what could be the best series of traps in the entire franchise happened because people hated people like Easton at the time and wanted them to suffer mentally
I do like that this movie is a direct reference to the experimental treatment that John is denied coverage for by Umbrella Insurance William in _Saw VI._ (The description of the method John gives to him is the same as is given to him by Cecilia.)
Umbrella Corporation Insurance
I just love that Adum makes fun of Saw so much, yet is the biggest fan and knows everything about it.
BUT HE KNOWS SO LITTLE
that’s what being a fan is all about
@@TheSinisterProdigy Dude knows LITERALLLY everything.
Shit, it's been a decade since those legendary Saw reviews that started me off as a fan.
It's funny you guys say "there was not many people in my theater". For the first time in maybe forever my mom, dad, and I went to go see a movie together and it was empty, it was just us 3. It was the best experience ever. It's like we rented out the small theater room to watch Saw X. Honestly what a blast.
I just love that they tried to make the seesaw scene with the kid getting waterboarded genuinely triumphant. I can’t help but laugh when Jigsaw turns to the kid and calls him a “warrior,” especially since Jigsaw has had no problem endangering and potentially killing children in the previous movies.
Still, I genuinely enjoyed the movie even knowing that it was bad. Like Adam says, they gave audiences what they wanted.
I fucking died laughing when right after that they hand the kid a big bag of money and say “let’s get you home” while the other two are fighting to the death in the next room, genuinely comedy gold
It's big time back pedalling. They trying to build 1-3 more films with Jigsaw as the anti-hero and tbh whilst its obvious, its a welcome change to the saw formula for me.
It’s hilarious but on the other hand interesting they’re doing something new rather than self-pleasuring to the gore porn yet again.
@@ChefBrownSauceit’s even more hilarious they managed to track down some of the stolen money from the cancer victims and instead of returning it to their families they just give it to the random kid they waterboarded😂
I love how this dramatic torture scene is accompanied by comical overacting. John Kramer is like "BWUUAAGH, BWRLHUHRUARGH" the whole scene.
It’s pretty cute seeing Adam and Alex’s floating avatars in the same video
*avatars :)
Honestly I really liked this. Just classic crazy jigsaw strapping pipe bombs to people. His such a goober.
About the girl that survived (then got killed lmao) the radiation machine, even if she didn't get killed... Wouldn't she just have turbo cancer from all that exposure?? Funny to think jigsaw of all people would give someone cancer
Beyond that why did these scammers spend at least 50k for an actual x-ray machine?
@@shellylizard12 lmao trueeee
As someone who used to LOVE these movies back in the late 2000's, hearing how more and more ludicrous these movies have become is just the best ever.
Got to love Alex referring to Pederson as just "the Evil Norwegian".
A standout moment to me was after John's "operation", you see his Newfound outlook on life and possibly a glimmer of hope turning him away from his work, specifically crumpling up the designs for the rack
I wonder if he went back to the park to fish it out of the garbage after he found out it was a fake cure
@@orangeoak5319 He probably redrew it from scratch and thought about the flaws or potential improvements on the second go-around. Engineers rarely put version 1.0 of their designs into production.
“Earnest” is the essence of Saw. No matter how bad and stupid they are, the movies take themselves dead serious so it’s not a farce, people CAN get invested and like it genuinely, and they’re even funnier because of it. To me, they’re almost to Breen-levels of being unintended masterpieces.
It's both funny schlock and horror with some serious themes (with shit execution)
Literally! If they even remotely stopped trying, it just wouldn't be fun anymore. But they try so hard and it's brilliant and I love it
the scene where Valentina just says fuck it and goes ham on her leg was awesome, was hoping she wouldve made it. but seeing the doctor woman gut her and say "we have a rope" made me laugh so hard in the theatre
It was so ridiculous it really was funny. But like noone would ever do such a thing, first I thought like something was in her stomach or smth.
My friends and I were the only ones laughing in our theater at that part it was hilarious
That moment felt to me like a callback to Amanda digging through her cellmate's stomach for the reverse bear trap key in the first movie. Of course, where the original film was better imo for showing very little, this shows everything.
@@Justmyhandlethought so too. especially with how they showed amanda picking up the guts
She may have started with a leg up, but in the end, she couldn't keep ahead of the game.
I honestly would love it if they were just like “Oh yeah, Jigsaw had a body double the whole time and he was actually in hiding between Saw 3 and Jigsaw”
Like the series went off the rails pretty much 2 movies in, so just lean into it, I always liked it when the series didn’t take itself super seriously when it came to the big twists.
they should even do what Origins did to COD Zombies, just wipe over the old stuff and start a new story with the same premise and same cool characters, no one cares bout the canon story timeline anymore
An had plastic surgery to look like another person ( in case the actor dies ) an just use voice changer to sound like the old actor
@@jborrego2406 nah, it has to be Tobin Bell, we’ve already seen what Saw looks like without him.
I honestly think the biggest "twist" of the movie was that the chains could be removed without a key. Like, the key was just for show, and John and Amanda just had to fiddle with it to release it. That was the part that really made me go "What!?" in the theater
to me it read more that jigsaw thinks enough ahead to have releases on traps in case of situations like that, but maybe thats too much idk
@@flatlander4527 jigsaw is omnipotent that's been clear since like the 2nd or 3rd movie
I love how saw 1-9 set up a ton of apprentices so they can justify continuing the story after Kramer dies but they just can't get enough of Tobin Bell
*"Good movies are distasteful... To me."*
-John "get the fuck" Kramer
John "Jig-fucking-Saw" Kramer
Im fairly convinced the "Bloodboarding" scene was completely planned by the all-knowing jigsaw so he could have some dinner
I love how Adam has the scenes memorized. Like what scene is from which movie. No hesitation. Also I agree. I want to see more Hoffman. When I saw or even HEARD Jigsaw mention "detective" in X, I was fangirling
I mean, He did just marathon the entire series this october.
Adam not remembering what Hoffman said in the post credit scene? Now that’s what I call epic bad luck
Is jigsaw like Santa Clause? He knows when you've been drinking and knows when you are high. Knows when you've been bad or good, so be good, or you'll end up in a death trap
I think this is the best route to go with the series at this point
Sweet grandpa John Kramer and his quirky adopted daughter Amanda putting terrible people in traps lol
I thought the attempts to humanize John Kramer were actually laughable. Like, goofy. But I can’t help but love watching Tobin Bell do anything
I mean, the only reason John Kramer is even likable is because Tobin Bell is that charming.
I watched this movie in dbox as those were the only good seats available and I died fucking laughing when the seat moved side to side while the girl was cutting off her own leg. This is the best experience I have had with Dbox or any movie add on in a theater.
23:03 thata wrong, saw x is not the first time we see jigsaw crying. In saw 3, when jigsaw is about to die, he has a single tear run down his face. Trust me on this, i have sawtism
Yes and no. This is chronologically the first time, since X happens before 3
41:00 had the same exact surgery when i was 19. i definitely felt some pressure on the skull right after but they were pumping me with so much painkillers i could hardly process it. i was walking within maybe a few days i’m not saying it’s implausible. but since he had nothing to compare it to they could’ve just pumped him full of painkillers to keep his head foggy and prevent him from thinking too hard on it
56:17 Sound guy here. The “AI” scene was definitely an example over over-aggressive de-noising that caused artifacts. Which is also technically AI software lol
Yay, it's back.
ngl, I was legit bothered when critic reviews kept saying "it's actually a proper movie this time". I was like "NO, GIVE ME MY NONSENSE PLEASE."
A Saw movie without Tobin Bell is like a John Wick movie without Keanu Reeves.
I’m genuinely surprised a movie series as long running as SAW hasn’t been to space
Give bro a 20 Mil budget@@polojuice2432
Even Jason went to space
Set it in the year 3000, and have Jigsaw be an AI computer who uses a holographic avatar of Tobin Bell to explain the games to the victims.
@@mungdaal9643and it’s somehow set before every other movie in the series
“Let me out of here” gets me every time.
Plot twist: that was Hoffman after Saw 3D
Its a true crime to not remember that Hoffman said "Of all the people to cheat you pick John Kramer? I call that Epic Bad Luck." at the end of Saw X.
Here's hoping we get to Saw XXX with nothing but Hoffman and Kramer.
SAW CMXCIX: Kramer VS. Hoffman.
Saw XI. A concept film about Hoffman trying to find any ways to survive in the bathroom. He's eating rats, drinking tap water, making tools out of skeletons the whole movie, picks apart the clogged bath and finds the key for the chain. He ambushes Lawrence Gordon and says "Didn't SAW this coming?" before drowning him in the toilet
Saw XXX with ... stuff going on between Hoffman and Kramer
Oh my god, Jigsaw is just gonna make a bunch of AI videos of himself talking to his victims so all of his 30 apprentices can continue his work, he’s a mad genius!
Honestly I think the best way to follow up this is to do a SAW WAR... Hoffman going after Jigsaw Guy and Spiral Guy on his path to get back at Dr. Gordon...
I am so upset that Amanda is dead by the events of the latter films.
Imagine having a series of John Kramer and a school of apprentices practicing to become him.
The name of the movie should have been "SAW: meXico".
Yes on the AI audio, the scene when John is going in for the procedure and the femur girl / nurse greets him stood out so much I had to go back and watch it again to be sure.
I would love a whole video of alex questioning adam on saw traps 😂😂
Loved how the ending scene of him walking into the sunset with Amanda and the kid perfectly mirrors the ending of Resident Evil 2 with Leon, Claire and the kid lol
"Your media diet is distasteful... To me."
-Mr. Jiggy
Cecilia receiving the tamest punishment out of the entire crew was the cherry on top of the shit Sunday
18:10 I mean Jigsaw’s utter contempt for drug addicts almost certainly stems from the fact that it was a drug addict that caused his wife to have a miscarriage.
And yet, he never targeted any drug dealers
@@nont18411Wasn’t Xavier a drug dealer?
My take on a saw in space would be that the teachings and beliefs of John Kramer balloon into a proper cult with many followers and that a small selection of this cult take over either a civilian spaceship built for long term space travel or a remote outpost on a distant planet where the games are held. There’s a trap where the vacuum of space is used, a trap involving zero gravity, and a futuristic take on the reverse bear trap. An AI John Kramer is made from police archives and voice recordings.
The twist is that he’s Luke Skywalker’s father, which is a split personality of the main character played by Ed Norton, yet none of this matters because it’s all an elaborate VR saw trap called the matrix. Post credit scene reveals Bruce Willis has been dead the whole time.
that unironically sounds great
I saw this on opening day with a smattering of other people at the screening I went to, the highlight was the autistic teenager (who somehow convinced his mum to take him) reacting with unrestrained delight to every bit of fan service like a comic book nerd at a Marvel movie
And you're sure you weren't just at the same theater as Adum?
I laughed so hard when he goes back and the lights are all flickering like they left all of their videos and evidence behind but they did remember to take the electricity with them 😂😂😂
I'm glad I watched this at home alone, I gut-laughed during the ending "No jalar" scene harder than I have in a long time
I'm glad I'm not the only one who never remembers how Spiral went and what traps they had... Already seen the film twice and I still don't remember what happened without prompting
Saw for the first time 2 weeks ago and barely remember it
Shout out to the editor. this is an hour and change video and it must have taken patience to organize visually around just 2 guys talking
Mark Kermode pointed out that the SAW series is the MIlennium's Grand Guignol and I haven't stopped thinking about that since. "It is set pieces, visceral excess, strung together by a plot."
Saw X has probably the most convenient and circumstantial ending to any movie I've ever seen.
Clearly you haven’t seen the rest of the series then (5, 7, and especially Jigsaw come to mind)
@@Blondieflay this is more convenient than even Jigsaw.
@@itsbreadbin agreed, it's pretty convenient that Tobin Bell wound up in the 'hold your breath' machine instead of the 'cut off your leg and suck out the bone marrow' machine
@@ImTheHamSandwich it's also incredibly convenient that the guy just so happened to pass out/sleep in the office, giving Jigsaw plenty of time to sabotage his gun. As well as both he and his girlfriend just so happening to go up to the office at the same time, taking the money, and both getting locked inside at just the right time. How did Jigsaw even know he'd be forced to enter one of his own traps, anyway? How could he possibly have known that? The guy could have just beaten Jigsaw to death instead. What was stopping him?
@@itsbreadbin so many twists, I'm starting to think this movie is too smart for us
23:01 this isn't even true! Jigsaw cries in Saw III after Amanda dies, and you can see the tear rolling down his face as he's explaining the rules to Jeff's game.
I think the BS time limit is a sign that John actually wants them to fail.
Wait, so the eye scene, that has been in the majority of the promotional material, doesn't even technically happen in the movie?
Not really. It’s in the film but it’s all in John’s head
Its a dream sequence like the Jill trap in Saw The Final Chapter
@@ult-chaos so like I said.. they put it front and centre in the promotional material and it doesn't even technically happen in the story
@@phoenixsplash135that’s right
it's even the main poster for the movie iirc lol
Really like the SawX puns in the beginning XD
This is my favorite YMS video of the year! I was absolutely looking forward to it and thank you Adam and Alex for.sharing your thoughts on Saw X 😊
You should start a podcast together
sardonicast
They could call it the Sardonicast or something
Yeah. They should also get that guy named Ralphthemoviemaker.
@@mug8865there’s always one
You're not gonna believe this
Happy to finally hear Adums thoughts on this one. I know he always enjoyed these on a "so bad they're fun" level. But i always genuinely enjoyed these movies.
"Yeah, it's the trolley problem."
You're killing me
Not saying this because of you YMS, but the "good choice" moment after the suction trap was 1000% a Neil Breen channeling.
"Got Jiggy with it" destroyed me
I gotta say… even if the movie itself is the most worthless one ever made, in the entire history of movies, that grey-scale image of a guy screaming with vacuum tubes coming out of his eyes in an X pattern is worth billions. One of the most brilliant marketing strategies I’ve ever seen, you have to find out what happens to him.
I watched the movie pretty late (literally yesterday) and I actually loved it, not the biggest unpopular opinion I've ever had but still
Not even close to the "most worthless one ever made". Looks like it's a welcome addition to the franchise for fans.
@@za-ir5ni Admittedly I could have phrased my own comment better. I never meant to say that it WAS the worst one, only that EVEN IF it were the worst that thumbnail would still be a masterpiece.
To be honest, I’m not enough of a fan to go see the movie but I’m glad that it’s getting positive reviews.
I actually thought - for reasons unknown!! - that bugs would come down through those tubes and eat his eyes and brains. When I saw the poster that's what I thought it was! Then in the film, when I saw a machine attached and no bugs, I thought it was acid?? So you shoulda SEEN MY FACE when they sucked out his eyeballs!!!! Incredible. How did you know they were vacuum tubes?
@@skunkjo3195 Those were some super vivid guesses, I envy your imagination :p
I sort of spoiled it for myself by watching the trailer where Jigsaw mentions the vacuum. To their credit, it ends right when he breaks his first finger so I had no idea where the scene went.
So his eyes do get sucked out huh? As an artist, I think I’d successfully make the finger sacrifice. There must be more to the scene though, I’ll have to watch it when it gets posted online.
This feels like a Sardonicast bonus episode🥹
Jigsaw's wife worked at a methadone clinic for drug addicts, that's why she was closing it down, and why it was even a place that does close :3
The "Jig-f*cking-saw" line was in reference to Jigsaw (2017). Logan's redhead assistant who is way too into Jigsaw to the point she's on dedicated fan forums says it around the 31:10 marker (at least in the version of Jigsaw I watched). I knew it sounded familiar so i had to go back and check it.
I'm convinced Tobin Bell is just John Carpenter in slightly older age makeup and you can't tell me otherwise
I don't know why but the cover for this movie looks equally horrifying and hilarious. So in a way it fits the Saw franchise perfectly, it's beautifully confusing.
realizing the tubes suck instead of blow is the biggest twist
without knowing anything about the movie, seeing those black spots on the pipes made me think there are insects inside and this contraption is supposed to just pump a bunch of bees into a victim's eyes
not sure how that would work
Not the bees!!!!!
@@KomoraKriogenicznai just commented this elsewhere, but I totally thought it'd be like beetles or flesh-eating bugs! And if not that, then acid. So it blew my mind when it sucked up his whole ass eyeballs. Incredible
We need a giant saw movie/marathon, all events in order, just so we know when tf that scene in saw 7 flashback where John is wearing the backwards hat happens in everything
now Jigsaw and his apprentices need to rob a casino so the next movie could be called "Saw's Eleven"
Disappointed there was no acknowledgment of Hoffman’s “epic bad luck” line.
Man I sure do love some Sawdonicast
Tobin Bell is 81.
John Kramer was canonically 52 in the autopsy scene in Saw IV 🤡
Even the Golden State Killer retired long before his 80th birthday. 😁
Honestly though, I've seen terminal Cancer patients who, after enough health decline, can very quickly look 2-3 times their age. That's part of what makes this disease so terrifying, the visual deterioration. Even with treatment, it can wither you away at least for a while to look like a grandpa in your 40s. I don't want to imagine seeing that in a mirror.
A sequel where John gets scammed by crypto enthusiasts would be amazing
AI Jigsaw using nano machines to create personalized saw traps for entire cities of people at a time would be fucking awesome
Hearing you two talk about SAW X on a Sunday morning is such a treat. I was giddy watching SAW X the night it was released in theaters, and it’s my second favorite of the franchise. The only thing i wasn’t as thrilled by, was the ‘final’ trap. Just having her survive is fine, but it also makes no since considering both her and her husband could have stayed alive. But I’m happy with the final product. Would watch it again!
Lmaoo the ending where Alex asks adum which movie certain traps are from just reminds me of the interview footage from the Saw YMS’ of Cary elwes being asked similar questions but getting them all wrong