Liked this episode for two reasons. One, that they paid for the rhystic study. Two, that ONCE AGAIN this dispelled the idea that somehow Commander has been ‘ruined’ by new cards. The exact same issues existed in “Pre-Commander” that exist now, and anything claiming otherwise is just revisionist nostalgia.
Yeah, it's all a matter of the power level of the individual cards you're selecting to put into your deck. "Overpowered" decks have always existed. However, there is truth in that the longer the game makes new cards, the quantity of "overpowered" cards only increases, thus making the "problem" worse in the long run. That's why I play both cEDH and casual. The two formats have very different social rules around what is and is not okay to put into your deck. Both offer their own rewards for playing them. The difficult part is the line everyone draws between the two formats is different for each person. Mismatches are bound to happen.
I think people just miss the days where there were good cards that not everyone knew about. Or the days when playing mono white and doing well was impressive.
You can't use creatures that search for lands to set up the top of the deck for momir vig since momir vig is a cast trigger to search and the wood elves and such are an ETB. Corey did it twice. Reading the card explains the card.
@@spence9312 The last one where he searched for Gilded Drake he could have just cast the Thada Adel in response to the search trigger, so there’s no difference in result
This is exactly how I remember edh 10 years ago. Simic doing simic stuff... anything playing white was auto kneecapped. Makes me appreciate modern day commander a lot more
44:18 Corey literally has Beastmaster's Ascension in hand, and more creatures on his board than the rest of the table combined. Could have ended the game on the spot yet decided to play with his food for an extra 15 minutes. More than a little bit BM.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that when Stephen held Corey's cards up to the camera. I think it was more of a case where Corey didn't realize that it would end the game on the spot because he's not familiar with as many cards as the rest of the table. I don't think he was purposefully extending the game.
@@shayneweykerI mean to be fair most of them are try hards every other episode so I don't really blame Corey for going for it.(esp Jonathan gets super salty sometimes) He was a bit petty about Corey saving Stephen then wanting to take away the point because Stephen still died.
People really out here getting in feels over this,i thought it was mostly fun besides some misplays. Love watching yall and the fun banter you guys have with each other!
55:53 It was a save for sure. They played it this way before. I remember a game where Jon was the beneficiary as Jon saved Wes(maybe Stephen) from a Justin alpha strike, then killed the table immediately after on the stack. This was way back before the "save" rule was changed to only one time per player. Gosh back then it was just smart to play spore frog loop or constant mists to farm points. It really wasn't abused too much, but once it did it was nipped in the bud.
Never heard of the PreDH. Interesting concept. 10 mins in and I see nothing but staple cmdr cards being used and it seems to make everyone happy including me.
Corey totally did a save there. In Past games they've gotten points for saving someone and then killing them right after. In this case there was a whole separate two phases in between.
Vuaw Corey playing control is boring to watch. I have watch all the episodes, but lately when Corey gets going, I have a hard time to keep watching the episodes. There is clearly some turn 0 talks Corey haven't been a part of
@@toddherink4234The gameplay doesn't really happen that often. Corey gets smacked around plenty. These comments though, are because some people don't like certain personalities. I can't fault people for that. They can hopefully be less bitchy overall!
I’m open to this kind of stuff for sure. I’ll dial back the control, I honestly didn’t think I played that much of it. I’ll keep blue out of my decks for a while. :)
You'd have basically the same format as everyone argues EVERY card after Magic figured out people like Commander was made to sell to Commander. Or at least any that are at all worth playing. :D
Honestly did not enjoy this at all. Corey plays Solitaire far too much and is way too smug and arrogant while doing it. In my opinion it makes for a truly bad viewing experience. Having watched all Commander VS episodes outside a handful webcam ones during Covid, I've never had a problem with someone playing a little over the power of the table or comboing into a long turn until Corey. It's probably not intentional but it comes off as arrogant and sometimes even disrespectful. Just stating my opinion as a longtime viewer of the Commander VS show.
Want some 🧂 for those tears? As a long-time viewer or Commander VS, this is one of the biggest crybaby posts I have seen in the comment section. It comes off as entitled and, of course, whiny like children typically are when they don't get what they want/like.
what if Steven scooped in response to a lethal attack to Jeremy, and the removal of his creatures/cards made it a non-lethal attack? Can Steven get a point that way?
Yeah, tactical scooping often leads into uncomfortable situations. It might even result in prolonging the game. Example: someone being unable to attack with a lifelinker in fear of the defending player scooping from under them.
I know it doesn’t matter much, but i want to point it out so othwrs dont make the mistake. Momir Vig is a CAST trigger, which means it does on the srack before the spell resolve. All the times Cory cadt something like Wood elfs and stacksd yhe teiggers to get a forest and put a creature on top doesnt work cause you have to resolve the creature tutor first. This didnt really have a big effect on this game, corey already had a ton of mana and most of the ETBs are may triggers ,so he could have just ignored them when fetchig the creature he needed, but its still good to know.
so happy to see Uril, he was my first commander ever, built entirely from scratch. Loaded with trample enchants and all the umbras for that sweet pseudo indestructible. Won a few games with a well timed boros charm for double strike doing commander damage. Preserver and Sigarda were also musts to prevent the sacrificing. Jeremy seems to play a lot of what I generally like to play :) It makes me happy. And of COURSE Corey would play Momir Vig... I hated playing against Momir decks :( way too much value good stuff in those decks.
I was waiting for Jon to hit a Mutilate or some thing else to wipe the board. The best way to keep Simic from going crazy is to kill all its creatures.
Have you guys thought about doing a podcast as well as the show. MTG Goldfish's Commander Clash does this and it's really enjoyable to watch them talk about their Commander opinions.
Honestly, I say this with all seriousness. Corey is a net negative to the show. I get wanting to build decks like this for your own play group, but whenever he can, he always plays the most spikey and annoying crap. Not to mention his overall play pattern.
Well I see him as a net positive. I was laughing throughout the show. They shouldn't have wasted path out of spite, that interaction would have been much more useful later
I don't mind Corey only because I think it could be worse, but I agree that he represents a lot of the issues with commander power levels in general. It's supposed to be a fun format and he is a little to spikey for this group.
@@moldytaters4190 Some comments complaining Corey plays too much control, while others complaining that the other three don't have enough interaction. Huh
You saved when there could be lethal is that a save if the person did not get to untap? Is a good question, wound up not meaning much here but a question for later. Example: P1 casts craterhoof P2 plays teferi's protection but on the stack casts a fog because they were safe anyways did P2 save P3 and or P4? Example: P1 plays torment of hailfire P2 has platinum angel attempts to cast a counter to save P3 P1 swings for lethal on P3 did P1 save P3? or does them not untapping negate the initial save?
To Jon, Stephen, and Jeremy: Either give Corey a reality check on humbleness or replace him. This was by far the most over the top (in a negative way) that Corey has been. That is including the episode he ran Yorion when his attitude skyrocketed. Good guy or not, this is NOT how you win fans over and give them the inclination to want to come back for more content. This is one of the BEST commander TH-cam shows. Don't hit the bottom of the well with Corey's antics. He will be your ultimate demise. I know not having Justin there is a thing, but at least in his own way, he was entertaining to watch, especially his banter with Stephen. What Corey is doing is pure lunacy, and not in a good way. If he continues, then the only thing I will watch is the intro (bravo Jeremy) and skip to the end to see who won and the points update. Can't endure the gameplay due to you know who.
@@moldytaters4190 Shucks that you two might move on to other Commander content. But Corey is fine. Jon and Stephen have also been very obnoxious while running games.
@steve Corey has been extremely obnoxious since he first started on VS Live. Corey doesn't know the difference of casual and competitive yet, as he is a ex pro player. It's really hard to watch content when somebody acts all high and mighty. We complained last season about Jon winning all the time, and with Corey helping him. Corey needs to fix himself.
Nah Corey is fine. I mean he was upfront with his removal. They chose violence so he made good on his threat. Where is the hate for Stephen pathing the fyndhorn Elves just so Corey couldn't get first blood? Corey was just hamming things up. Yall taking this way too serious. Jonathan gets so salty sometimes too. That's worse imo than Corey's antics. I mean getting killed just so your It That Betrays goes away? That's a bit petty too. Also Corey is a million times better than Justin. Sorry, not sorry. He was too rules lawyery. No fun could be had while he was around.
@Tom Anderson Corey being fine? So being super petty and acting high and mighty is fine? Corey constantly plays a higher power than the rest of the table, or plays control. Either of which isn't good for the sake of the show when it happens 8/10 times. Stephen pathing Fyndhorn Elves was in retaliation of his creature being stolen, which was fair. Then Corey starts his ego train because he's ahead of everyone else. Jon also made a good point to get rid of the It that Betrays because it would've helped the other two at LEAST catch up even remotely. Also piss off about Justin, he wasn't a rules lawyer in a bad way. He was way more fun to watch than Corey. Justin isn't constantly loud, obnoxious, and hardly made extremely petty plays for the sake of being petty.
I think Corey heard predh as cedh. This is more painful to watch than most of the games when he plays decks that are too competitive until he's either killed or wins in a ridiculous way. He needs to discuss with the others a little more before sitting down with C Sphinx, Strip Mine, Rhystic Study, Teferi, Seedborn Muse. I don't see any of those at my LGS and people play cards of that power level in decks that aren't CEDH.
Bit late to this episode but can anyone explain how this game didnt reflect modern commander? Simic getting out of hand seemed due to a lack of removal and a spiteful path, other than that no one seemed to be running any removal, but there was still tons of removal back then..im confused! How could this not happen in modern commander?
PreDH is The format that lets you play the big dumb cards you wouldn't run in a deck today. Stuff like Solemn Simulacrum, Plague wind, Pestilence Demon Reya Dawnbringer etc. It also is much slower than regular EDH, as well as a limited card pool (and very limited Enemy color generals) means certain stuff is underrepresented. For example, There are only 2 legal Simic generals, Experiment Kraj and Momir Vig. There are only 6 legal enemy Tri colored generals, the 5 Planar Chaos Dragons and Doran the siege tower. It's understandable it's limiting for certain preferences, no arguing that, though it can be fun for people who choose to pick those limited options, as they have to put in more effort in deck construction and feel more rewarded for doing so (aka how are you going to build Intet the Dreamer uniquely rather than just picking a RUG commander and building a checklist of edhrec suggestions.)
I just built a deck sort of like that. Prof did pre edh that was everything before commader 2011 set so the last standard set for them was new phyrexia :) ,and that's what I did. *there's a typeo on the starcity article so I got confused the article said your guys decks was 2010 and back not 2011.
You know the kind of guy who does nothing but bad things then wonders why his life sucks? Well, that was me. Hi, my name is Uril. I'm just trying to be a better person (with aura's!)
This was one of the rare cases where Corey did made a play solely for the point, something that he should be doing. Most saves for the point fall into this same "I'm saving you to die next turn", so I would not call this BM.
I see coments about how John seen disapointed how the games going after Corey estabilish his board and the game is over by half of the video and I believe that the problem is not the decks or curent mtg state as seen by this retro format the problem was and is the PLAYERS I started playng in the years 2000 and since them I have the same problem that a player ot two dont know play casualy only competitive I have been both player and my competitive years are long gone and I realize that no matter what some players can never play a casual relax fun game just compete for victory blindly and I believe Corey is one of this players dont get me wrong he play realy well and I liked see hin play modern in the other show was great but in a matter of casualy play a fun format and make a interative game for us to see i believe he cant I not saying bring Justin back or nothing of that but at least try another player and Corey may cover hin when needed just like Kyle used to do is all right and we all can have once again the show that war the best magic show a casual fun relaxed game of comander fun and enjoyable anyway love the show thanks you guys and sorry for the long messege and bad english God and Jesus bless us all.
Finally some good old fashioned commander. These lists look like many I have played in their respective eras and card pools and player IQ and selective deck choices and practiced play patterns. Brings me back to good days of commander. Healthy, learning, thriving.
I don't comment really. Corey's attitude this episode and pretty much "rubbing" in the more winning was horrible. I miss Justin and corey just being giddy on his "winning more" is just aweful. I'm done
momir happens before wood elves, he couldn't stack them like that... however this game was over long before this moment so this mistake made literally no difference
They don't do that on this show. In the spirit of better play, they'd probably still give Corey the point, just like how good players give the attacker the life they gained when people pull that salty crap.
@@ajgilchrist2206 I agree there'd be some fun in that joke, but the spite between these guys is a bit much for my taste. The Path leading to Jon's first blood leading to a dumb Jace, was meh. But is some people enjoy their salt, have at it!
This was the most fun episode in a long time. Not for you three of course. Corey you're a bad winner and the obvious netdecking is pretty painful, one blue/green card with synergy with your commander, pretty much just goodstuff. Curious to see how many points you lost. We've learned a lot about commander in the last 11 years and it didn't seem like you applied the new philosophy to your deck construction, more removal. It didn't help that Jeremy didn't draw an enchantress and stephen wasted his removal. John was pretty much locked into his deck style so that's fine. This was fun again. I've been thinking about how so many cards are rule 0ed out and how the commander format is still getting faster and less casual in general. I feel like it's time for a new format and I'm hoping you guys will introduce me to it.
I love you guys and faithfully watch every episode. I couldn't finish this one. Watching Corey just hate out Steven with other much bigger threats at the table made it very boring and is the type of play I hate. Commander is to be fun. That's not fun.
I'm not watching the rest of the episode I'm sad to say. Back to hating Corey again for his attitude and play style. I'm sure he's a nice guy and I'd get along with him fine. Haaaaate how he plays. Every episode feels like Archenemy against Corey EXACTLY because of how he plays. He's the smuggest of the smug. I just want to punch his face everytime he laughs. NGL the only reason I'd watch is to hope he has a bad game. It might be time to say goodbye to Commander VS if I can't get over this. It's a game and I shouldn't get worked up over it like this over the person playing it.
That's a bit extreme there, I don't like Correru for the same reasons but damn that's harsh. Corey does play like an asshole, 8/10 times he plays another control deck with a different face. It's stale to watch. Ive watched these guys since Justin and Stephe days, and I've also contemplated not watching anymore. They need to find a house ban or Corey really needs to switch up his playstyle/attitude. There's ways to fix it, let's just not resort to violence.
@@moldytaters4190 Agreed. He’s the reason why I’ve skipped most recent episodes. His smugness isn’t wanted, and his playstyle isn’t entertaining to watch.
Corey's famous last words I didn't know what did before it went to combat weeding the card explains the card maybe you should read your opponent's Commander I thought they said you were good at magic week after week I see you out here playing these games but yeah I never see you higher than second-place I wonder why maybe you need to get good at the game noob
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I'm glad you pay for rhystic studies. Your contribution to society is noted and very appreciated.
Can agree 👍 thank you for pay! Definitely not paid enough in normal games.
humm you see what happen when you pay you fall behind to the simic deck kekw
Always pay!
Liked this video for them paying the 1, and to fulfill Stephen's prediction at 19:51.
This is the only time Mr. Green has ever paid! 😮
Liked this episode for two reasons. One, that they paid for the rhystic study. Two, that ONCE AGAIN this dispelled the idea that somehow Commander has been ‘ruined’ by new cards. The exact same issues existed in “Pre-Commander” that exist now, and anything claiming otherwise is just revisionist nostalgia.
Yeah, it's all a matter of the power level of the individual cards you're selecting to put into your deck. "Overpowered" decks have always existed. However, there is truth in that the longer the game makes new cards, the quantity of "overpowered" cards only increases, thus making the "problem" worse in the long run.
That's why I play both cEDH and casual. The two formats have very different social rules around what is and is not okay to put into your deck. Both offer their own rewards for playing them. The difficult part is the line everyone draws between the two formats is different for each person. Mismatches are bound to happen.
I think people just miss the days where there were good cards that not everyone knew about. Or the days when playing mono white and doing well was impressive.
@@mathmagician5990you can still do that, just like they did, all the cards are still availible
You can't use creatures that search for lands to set up the top of the deck for momir vig since momir vig is a cast trigger to search and the wood elves and such are an ETB. Corey did it twice. Reading the card explains the card.
I hope he atleast loses the save point.
@@spence9312 The last one where he searched for Gilded Drake he could have just cast the Thada Adel in response to the search trigger, so there’s no difference in result
This is exactly how I remember edh 10 years ago. Simic doing simic stuff... anything playing white was auto kneecapped. Makes me appreciate modern day commander a lot more
44:18 Corey literally has Beastmaster's Ascension in hand, and more creatures on his board than the rest of the table combined. Could have ended the game on the spot yet decided to play with his food for an extra 15 minutes. More than a little bit BM.
Agreed
That and reverting to being a try-hard like he was in his early episodes of Vs.
Corey was insufferable this game. He was BM the whole game...
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that when Stephen held Corey's cards up to the camera. I think it was more of a case where Corey didn't realize that it would end the game on the spot because he's not familiar with as many cards as the rest of the table. I don't think he was purposefully extending the game.
@@shayneweykerI mean to be fair most of them are try hards every other episode so I don't really blame Corey for going for it.(esp Jonathan gets super salty sometimes) He was a bit petty about Corey saving Stephen then wanting to take away the point because Stephen still died.
People really out here getting in feels over this,i thought it was mostly fun besides some misplays. Love watching yall and the fun banter you guys have with each other!
In the spirit of this they should all play the 1st commander they played on VS episode in a game
19:20 Jon has Necrologia in hand.
The lack of spot removal/board wipes is depressing
Sometimes you just don’t draw them
@@dakkenblah1450 and sometimes they get used to kill and elf with spite
I don’t normally support Corey, but he saved him.
55:53 It was a save for sure. They played it this way before. I remember a game where Jon was the beneficiary as Jon saved Wes(maybe Stephen) from a Justin alpha strike, then killed the table immediately after on the stack. This was way back before the "save" rule was changed to only one time per player. Gosh back then it was just smart to play spore frog loop or constant mists to farm points. It really wasn't abused too much, but once it did it was nipped in the bud.
Corey absolutely gets a point for saving
Great video! Kudos for paying your taxes lol.
Steven! I sent you a spicy Omnath list : )
Jeremey - "I used to do this sort of simic nonsense stuff back in the day and now I feel bad" - personal growth!
Momir is a cast trigger, corey couldn't stack the wood elves trigger before momir's
Or Farhaven Elf either!
Whoops!
@@CoreyBMTG magic is a complex game.
Never heard of the PreDH. Interesting concept. 10 mins in and I see nothing but staple cmdr cards being used and it seems to make everyone happy including me.
Corey totally did a save there. In Past games they've gotten points for saving someone and then killing them right after. In this case there was a whole separate two phases in between.
On this episode of everyone hates Corey…
Vuaw Corey playing control is boring to watch. I have watch all the episodes, but lately when Corey gets going, I have a hard time to keep watching the episodes.
There is clearly some turn 0 talks Corey haven't been a part of
This comment only comes up when Corey gets going though. The same gameplay generally happens whenever one player gets going
@@l337suxx0r why does it come up so often then?
@@toddherink4234The gameplay doesn't really happen that often. Corey gets smacked around plenty. These comments though, are because some people don't like certain personalities. I can't fault people for that. They can hopefully be less bitchy overall!
I’m open to this kind of stuff for sure. I’ll dial back the control, I honestly didn’t think I played that much of it. I’ll keep blue out of my decks for a while. :)
What would a format be called/look like if we included new cards, but no cards that have ever been printed specifically for commander?
You'd have basically the same format as everyone argues EVERY card after Magic figured out people like Commander was made to sell to Commander. Or at least any that are at all worth playing. :D
@@MunchKING I mean sure. But remove all of the commander legends cards. No dockside, deflecting swat, etc. The format would feel so fresh
would love to see more of this.
Loved this episode.
31:30 Still gotta pay at least 3 black my guy.
Anyone but Corey at this point.
Corey! Corey! Corey! Corey!
Honestly did not enjoy this at all. Corey plays Solitaire far too much and is way too smug and arrogant while doing it. In my opinion it makes for a truly bad viewing experience. Having watched all Commander VS episodes outside a handful webcam ones during Covid, I've never had a problem with someone playing a little over the power of the table or comboing into a long turn until Corey. It's probably not intentional but it comes off as arrogant and sometimes even disrespectful. Just stating my opinion as a longtime viewer of the Commander VS show.
Want some 🧂 for those tears? As a long-time viewer or Commander VS, this is one of the biggest crybaby posts I have seen in the comment section. It comes off as entitled and, of course, whiny like children typically are when they don't get what they want/like.
@@kyleb7047 Well I am in fact entitled to my own opinion lol
I called Necrolagia the moment Jon said he could only play it at end step...
It that betrays really living up to its name this game
Teneb was the first commander I ever built! I'm glad to see him getting some love
what if Steven scooped in response to a lethal attack to Jeremy, and the removal of his creatures/cards made it a non-lethal attack? Can Steven get a point that way?
They don't scoop on this show, as it's not very entertaining and doesn't make for good games on camera
Yeah, tactical scooping often leads into uncomfortable situations. It might even result in prolonging the game. Example: someone being unable to attack with a lifelinker in fear of the defending player scooping from under them.
@@JelloBrandneither does Corey being a douche, but hey that’s not been stopped yet.
This is why I play plenty of board wipes when I can.
I love you guys; best cmdr gameplay show, period. But… that episode was a tit bit painful to watch.😅
Think this is the first time I have gotten to an episode this early.
This is why most decks ran like 10 wrath effects lulz
John, why must you continue to fail me. No doom blade, no go for the throat no damnation.
I know it doesn’t matter much, but i want to point it out so othwrs dont make the mistake. Momir Vig is a CAST trigger, which means it does on the srack before the spell resolve. All the times Cory cadt something like Wood elfs and stacksd yhe teiggers to get a forest and put a creature on top doesnt work cause you have to resolve the creature tutor first.
This didnt really have a big effect on this game, corey already had a ton of mana and most of the ETBs are may triggers ,so he could have just ignored them when fetchig the creature he needed, but its still good to know.
so happy to see Uril, he was my first commander ever, built entirely from scratch. Loaded with trample enchants and all the umbras for that sweet pseudo indestructible. Won a few games with a well timed boros charm for double strike doing commander damage. Preserver and Sigarda were also musts to prevent the sacrificing. Jeremy seems to play a lot of what I generally like to play :) It makes me happy.
And of COURSE Corey would play Momir Vig... I hated playing against Momir decks :( way too much value good stuff in those decks.
I was waiting for Jon to hit a Mutilate or some thing else to wipe the board. The best way to keep Simic from going crazy is to kill all its creatures.
Jon did a noble sacrifice
I had a Chainer from that era, it was pretty tough to play against, instant reanimator :D
Have you guys thought about doing a podcast as well as the show. MTG Goldfish's Commander Clash does this and it's really enjoyable to watch them talk about their Commander opinions.
Not going to lie, I love watching these guys but man Corey bugs me, with all the Timmy decks 😞
i have a momir vig deck and man is it a good value deck so much fun to play
Honestly, I say this with all seriousness. Corey is a net negative to the show. I get wanting to build decks like this for your own play group, but whenever he can, he always plays the most spikey and annoying crap. Not to mention his overall play pattern.
Well I see him as a net positive. I was laughing throughout the show. They shouldn't have wasted path out of spite, that interaction would have been much more useful later
@@Gunnarr123abc^^ This
I don't mind Corey only because I think it could be worse, but I agree that he represents a lot of the issues with commander power levels in general. It's supposed to be a fun format and he is a little to spikey for this group.
Can Corey just not be allowed to play Blue? He plays way too much control, it's really boring.
Yea the others play fun decks and Corey acts like he’s playing in the pro tour and goes so damn try hard and still ends up losing every season
@@dakkenblah1450 Yeah, it just makes most games unwatchable.
@@moldytaters4190 Some comments complaining Corey plays too much control, while others complaining that the other three don't have enough interaction. Huh
@@l337suxx0r It's both, but Corey plays WAY too much control regardless of the commander.
I’ll stop playing blue! Didn’t realize I was playing it that much. 😅
You saved when there could be lethal is that a save if the person did not get to untap? Is a good question, wound up not meaning much here but a question for later.
Example:
P1 casts craterhoof
P2 plays teferi's protection but on the stack casts a fog because they were safe anyways
did P2 save P3 and or P4?
Example:
P1 plays torment of hailfire
P2 has platinum angel attempts to cast a counter to save P3
P1 swings for lethal on P3
did P1 save P3? or does them not untapping negate the initial save?
Jon's sigh at 34:57 = overall current state of MTG and WotC
To Jon, Stephen, and Jeremy: Either give Corey a reality check on humbleness or replace him. This was by far the most over the top (in a negative way) that Corey has been. That is including the episode he ran Yorion when his attitude skyrocketed. Good guy or not, this is NOT how you win fans over and give them the inclination to want to come back for more content. This is one of the BEST commander TH-cam shows. Don't hit the bottom of the well with Corey's antics. He will be your ultimate demise. I know not having Justin there is a thing, but at least in his own way, he was entertaining to watch, especially his banter with Stephen. What Corey is doing is pure lunacy, and not in a good way. If he continues, then the only thing I will watch is the intro (bravo Jeremy) and skip to the end to see who won and the points update. Can't endure the gameplay due to you know who.
This is exactly how it should be said. We'll done, Bill. Most of us feel the exact same way.
@@moldytaters4190 Shucks that you two might move on to other Commander content. But Corey is fine. Jon and Stephen have also been very obnoxious while running games.
@steve Corey has been extremely obnoxious since he first started on VS Live. Corey doesn't know the difference of casual and competitive yet, as he is a ex pro player.
It's really hard to watch content when somebody acts all high and mighty. We complained last season about Jon winning all the time, and with Corey helping him. Corey needs to fix himself.
Nah Corey is fine. I mean he was upfront with his removal. They chose violence so he made good on his threat. Where is the hate for Stephen pathing the fyndhorn Elves just so Corey couldn't get first blood? Corey was just hamming things up. Yall taking this way too serious. Jonathan gets so salty sometimes too. That's worse imo than Corey's antics. I mean getting killed just so your It That Betrays goes away? That's a bit petty too. Also Corey is a million times better than Justin. Sorry, not sorry. He was too rules lawyery. No fun could be had while he was around.
@Tom Anderson Corey being fine? So being super petty and acting high and mighty is fine? Corey constantly plays a higher power than the rest of the table, or plays control. Either of which isn't good for the sake of the show when it happens 8/10 times.
Stephen pathing Fyndhorn Elves was in retaliation of his creature being stolen, which was fair. Then Corey starts his ego train because he's ahead of everyone else. Jon also made a good point to get rid of the It that Betrays because it would've helped the other two at LEAST catch up even remotely.
Also piss off about Justin, he wasn't a rules lawyer in a bad way. He was way more fun to watch than Corey. Justin isn't constantly loud, obnoxious, and hardly made extremely petty plays for the sake of being petty.
I agree with Corey and Jeremy, Corey still saved Stephen. +1 for my boy
Is there a decklist this week?
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I think Corey heard predh as cedh. This is more painful to watch than most of the games when he plays decks that are too competitive until he's either killed or wins in a ridiculous way. He needs to discuss with the others a little more before sitting down with C Sphinx, Strip Mine, Rhystic Study, Teferi, Seedborn Muse. I don't see any of those at my LGS and people play cards of that power level in decks that aren't CEDH.
Cory saved him it was not the same combat step
lmao John clearly doesn't know music as the song Eral had to die is sung by The Dixie Chicks not Shina Twain.
Hey past week I see a interview to justin Parnell who said that his favorite and first commander was Momir, Vig Simic Visionary that's weird.
Bit late to this episode but can anyone explain how this game didnt reflect modern commander? Simic getting out of hand seemed due to a lack of removal and a spiteful path, other than that no one seemed to be running any removal, but there was still tons of removal back then..im confused! How could this not happen in modern commander?
PreDH is The format that lets you play the big dumb cards you wouldn't run in a deck today. Stuff like Solemn Simulacrum, Plague wind, Pestilence Demon Reya Dawnbringer etc. It also is much slower than regular EDH, as well as a limited card pool (and very limited Enemy color generals) means certain stuff is underrepresented. For example, There are only 2 legal Simic generals, Experiment Kraj and Momir Vig. There are only 6 legal enemy Tri colored generals, the 5 Planar Chaos Dragons and Doran the siege tower. It's understandable it's limiting for certain preferences, no arguing that, though it can be fun for people who choose to pick those limited options, as they have to put in more effort in deck construction and feel more rewarded for doing so (aka how are you going to build Intet the Dreamer uniquely rather than just picking a RUG commander and building a checklist of edhrec suggestions.)
I just built a deck sort of like that. Prof did pre edh that was everything before commader 2011 set so the last standard set for them was new phyrexia :) ,and that's what I did. *there's a typeo on the starcity article so I got confused the article said your guys decks was 2010 and back not 2011.
Hell yeah a Corey win! The banter was excellent, and I love that the one in last really brought the heat to get some deserved points.
If only scgcon came to Michigan
Loved the game! Every time I see uril play it does so terrible. Can’t wait to build it 😏
You know the kind of guy who does nothing but bad things then wonders why his life sucks? Well, that was me. Hi, my name is Uril. I'm just trying to be a better person (with aura's!)
Great ep
I would say that steven did not want to be saved and could have blocked if he wanted to. It was a bit of a BM move in my opinion.
This was one of the rare cases where Corey did made a play solely for the point, something that he should be doing.
Most saves for the point fall into this same "I'm saving you to die next turn", so I would not call this BM.
@@willmcgee8379 yeah that is fair ill give it to you.
Everyone complaining about made for commander cards and the format being better before wotc is just saying "I like playing simic"
Day has been RUE’d
Yeah Cory 🎉
these yunguns
I see coments about how John seen disapointed how the games going after Corey estabilish his board and the game is over by half of the video and I believe that the problem is not the decks or curent mtg state as seen by this retro format the problem was and is the PLAYERS I started playng in the years 2000 and since them I have the same problem that a player ot two dont know play casualy only competitive I have been both player and my competitive years are long gone and I realize that no matter what some players can never play a casual relax fun game just compete for victory blindly and I believe Corey is one of this players dont get me wrong he play realy well and I liked see hin play modern in the other show was great but in a matter of casualy play a fun format and make a interative game for us to see i believe he cant I not saying bring Justin back or nothing of that but at least try another player and Corey may cover hin when needed just like Kyle used to do is all right and we all can have once again the show that war the best magic show a casual fun relaxed game of comander fun and enjoyable anyway love the show thanks you guys and sorry for the long messege and bad english God and Jesus bless us all.
Finally some good old fashioned commander. These lists look like many I have played in their respective eras and card pools and player IQ and selective deck choices and practiced play patterns. Brings me back to good days of commander. Healthy, learning, thriving.
Please bring back the champions or revenge matches.
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I hope you guys Archenemy Corey every time he tries this stuff, despite Stephen having the points. That was obnoxious.
I don't comment really. Corey's attitude this episode and pretty much "rubbing" in the more winning was horrible. I miss Justin and corey just being giddy on his "winning more" is just aweful. I'm done
Wow I came quick
Same 😫
Lol😂
I arrived early
One of these decks was not like the others.
You guys play no interaction if you played more interaction board States like that of Cory's wouldn't happen
You know this is pre edh right? So Corey is the one with the interaction colors
They did have interaction but it was used to kill an elf. . ..
@@stevenkouns233 You really think green & blue are the only colors with interaction in PreDH?
Didn't Corey cheat with chord of calling? I thought that was the rtr which was post 2011
No it was in the OG Ravnica block but odds are didn’t have any of those in stock so just used the newer one.
Corey's the best lol
woo early gang
For the first time ever, no mistakes were made (outside of my understanding of the format) :)
momir happens before wood elves, he couldn't stack them like that... however this game was over long before this moment so this mistake made literally no difference
Dang Jon's deck is rad. Pity Corey plays the way he does...makes the games in the last year near-unwatchable.
So annoyed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shucks
A player may forfeit at any time, Stephen could've just scooped and not let Corey save him, I would've loved for that to happen
They don't do that on this show. In the spirit of better play, they'd probably still give Corey the point, just like how good players give the attacker the life they gained when people pull that salty crap.
I know that I've been watching them for years off and on, I just would've loved to see him do it just for spite
@@ajgilchrist2206 I agree there'd be some fun in that joke, but the spite between these guys is a bit much for my taste. The Path leading to Jon's first blood leading to a dumb Jace, was meh. But is some people enjoy their salt, have at it!
I have to say, this episode I really really did not like Cory
This was the most fun episode in a long time. Not for you three of course. Corey you're a bad winner and the obvious netdecking is pretty painful, one blue/green card with synergy with your commander, pretty much just goodstuff. Curious to see how many points you lost. We've learned a lot about commander in the last 11 years and it didn't seem like you applied the new philosophy to your deck construction, more removal. It didn't help that Jeremy didn't draw an enchantress and stephen wasted his removal. John was pretty much locked into his deck style so that's fine. This was fun again. I've been thinking about how so many cards are rule 0ed out and how the commander format is still getting faster and less casual in general. I feel like it's time for a new format and I'm hoping you guys will introduce me to it.
Ban simic in cmd
Man Corey whines way to much.
Consecrated sphinx is such a stupid card.
I love you guys and faithfully watch every episode. I couldn't finish this one. Watching Corey just hate out Steven with other much bigger threats at the table made it very boring and is the type of play I hate. Commander is to be fun. That's not fun.
I'm not watching the rest of the episode I'm sad to say. Back to hating Corey again for his attitude and play style. I'm sure he's a nice guy and I'd get along with him fine. Haaaaate how he plays. Every episode feels like Archenemy against Corey EXACTLY because of how he plays. He's the smuggest of the smug. I just want to punch his face everytime he laughs. NGL the only reason I'd watch is to hope he has a bad game. It might be time to say goodbye to Commander VS if I can't get over this. It's a game and I shouldn't get worked up over it like this over the person playing it.
That's a bit extreme there, I don't like Correru for the same reasons but damn that's harsh.
Corey does play like an asshole, 8/10 times he plays another control deck with a different face. It's stale to watch. Ive watched these guys since Justin and Stephe days, and I've also contemplated not watching anymore. They need to find a house ban or Corey really needs to switch up his playstyle/attitude. There's ways to fix it, let's just not resort to violence.
Came here to say the exact same thing.
😂😂
@@moldytaters4190 Agreed. He’s the reason why I’ve skipped most recent episodes. His smugness isn’t wanted, and his playstyle isn’t entertaining to watch.
@@mc-rap2035 Fully 100% agreed.
guess this proves that predh is just as spikey and powerful as modern commander, just way less fun.
Ahh the format for boomers, that dont have to complain (but will still find a way).
Corey's famous last words I didn't know what did before it went to combat weeding the card explains the card maybe you should read your opponent's Commander I thought they said you were good at magic week after week I see you out here playing these games but yeah I never see you higher than second-place I wonder why maybe you need to get good at the game noob
lols, you're a scrub
That was the worst Jace and the worst sower of Temptation I've ever seen in my entire life. God Corey is so petty. No wonder he's in last place again.
He's in second place now. He would've only been 4 points behind Stephen had Stephen not been petty and denied him first blood.