When Raw Damage can Out Perform Poisons I Raid Shadow Legends
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Great job as always!
How’s Knight Errants leech consistency? I don’t have a healer in my cb team. Apothecary but he’s mostly for speed and meter boost. I also just pulled Juliana. Is she better than Kael or no?
Mmmm gonna try MK in my UK comp.
Good to see you in C2 yesterday man, keep up the good work!
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When raw damage outperforms poisons.
*immediately sees dracomorph*
(Only champion in the game with constant 4 poisons ability)
*rolls eyes*
Rotos does heavy raw damage as well once his HP stacks from his a2
I've had a ton of success running Rotos in this role. Had to drop him moving onto UNM since with no counterattack I just couldn't find room for him anymore while fitting the utility I need. He hits 200k reliably with A3 and 150k with A2 with pretty mediocre gear, places Decrease Defense, and in Relentless set takes loads of extra turns. Plus he's basically immortal due to his near 100k HP and his broken passive. He frequently outdamages Occult Brawler with a row of full poisons on the boss most of the fight, without Counterattack.
would you rather use Brakus or Mountain king for raw dmg dealer? Or both
Murderinc I Cant wait for you to pull a Turvold and use him in this comp, that would be insane
i cant wait either :)
My clan has been running a team that is unusually to some extent with Turvold. He is #1 in damage. Im #2. He also runs Vrask for all his heals.
Darin Brown yep, Turvold is a beast
That's exactly what initially came to my mind, when i first watched this upload. TURVOLD.....
Saw turvold doing 400k per hit on boss somewhere
I see that rotos can still pull good damage in savage set (compared tout relentless I mean.) Would Whisper be functionnal too in savage ? In your Lordly legionnary vid you put stalwart on him. Why no savage ? With all the extra hit +GS ?
Could u share your equipment and masteries on the champs u use?
I've noticed in clan boss that the damage calculator will lose damage? For example it will say on turn 15 that 14.2 million damage has been done so far but on the next boss turn it will drop to 13.9 over the entire battle I have lost about 2 million damage that I used to do two weeks ago? I saw it happen in this video at approximately 3:30, Glitch or no?
Hey Murderinc,
I think you forget Rotos here. In my UNM build he crits by up to 250K with his A3 and up to 220K with his A2. I have him in relentless, so he does this very often.
Unfortunately I don´t have a counter, so my best run was 32M together so far. My Team is Raglin, Rotos, Vizier, Draco and Mashalled.
And Rotos is the last man standing :) - He benefits massively from Leech.
I think the reason why Knigh Eran isn't doing as much damage as the previous video is that you have Altan as the lead this time instead of Septimus (Attack based).
yeah rotos is interesting because with extra turns and relent he misses out on counter attack often so he is in the same boat as turvold but turvold hits harder than anyone else by a mile. ive never done the spread to see just how much dmg rotos misses before. would be cool to look at!
Did i miss the link to the gear set up choice? scrolled up and down and expanding replies and still dont see the gear/mastery
Can you make biggest AoE damage? Or testing Lord Shazzar
Would also like to know his cb dmg. His a1 might do much dmg with 10 debuffs.
all i need to do is pull shazar!
@@MurderIncRaid i could give you my one bro lol 😆
I've been surprised by my Lanakis' raw damage output, combined with the buff extension, rally and extra turn chance. She's possibly my favorite champ right now. Been running a rally/no poison team and 1 key'd NM, almost consistently. Looking forward to trying to transition that to UNM. Great video though, enjoy different comps that go against the "meta", especially non unkillable stuff.
What is your complete team comp with Lanakis? I just got mine to 60
@@Huntster14 I'll be running; Sepulcher, Apothocary, Longbeard, Lanakis and Rotos - I am currently using Veteran for an attack down which is a poor auto choice.
I have catacomb councillor thinking of running him with mountain king and rotos. Possibly with duchess and yannica for her Leech. Will test it out
Can't wait to see how you geared knight errant! I knew from the start he was useful for cb, thx!
"No poisons" proceeds to use Draco... like... wtf?
just checking there, you are still putting the CA team. how if we dont use those CA and poison stuffs ?? is there only "rally" team to do 1 key NM ?? 1 key UNM isnt possible without CA.
On the note of Turvold in a CA comp. I am currently working on making that work. It's kind of wonky and has a lot of suboptimal parts, but the damage output and survivability you get from Turvold kind of outweighs the cons (at least for me, since I haven't been able to gear people in a way that makes him outclassed).
you can speed turn him to always burn his a2 in the stun round so he always has CA but it will be a lot to calculate with his increased speed buff
@@MurderIncRaid I currently hard auto it, but I'll check that out, because I think delaying the A2 to cause a better ability stagger might add survivability.
Would Errol be a good damage dealer to use? Or maybe Yannica because of leach and veil for extra defense.
Awsume and intresting video again!
Hype train! Keep it up! Finally someone used mk to showcase. Gonna guess my vault champ lugan is coming next??
hey I have showcased lugan in CB already! you should def check it out!
This begs the question of a number "in-between" the final damage number due to the huge disparity between Knight errant on CB vs dungeons vs Mountain King. I think it might be a defense penetration type number.
I want the next video now! lol Great stuff, man!
Going back to your wurlim vid. I have been trying to max the amount of damage he does in my team, but it would be interesting to see how far you could take his damage with your gear. Decrease crit damage and strengthen may help with the team comp in this vid as well in regards to survivability and keeping those heavy hitters in the game.
Is knight errant worth leveling now? He’s in my vault but he’s defense is beyond garbage so I’m not sure if I should invest in him?!
Always interesting to see high numbers ... I would like to see a 2 - key double CA comp for UNM with different mechanics :D
Maybe you could do a well rounded Brakus build! Mine solos Dragon 20. Beats speed leads with true fear in gold 4, and crazy raw dmg in CB. Might be interesting. I appreciate all the valuable info you teach in your vids keep it coming.
I have a brakus spotlight :)
Very stocked. Murder! My Lugan the stead fast hit really hard as a healer.
Have you tried Yannika for clan boss yet?
Valk is the mvp here
That's not how you spell Tyrant lol
Murder lemme ask bro how long did it take to get all the life steal together for all your champs with the proper stats? I wanna replace apoth so bad all I have is one champ in life steal.. it’s hard as shyt bro... also similar with your tyrant I have Drexthar but I recently took him out of my team.. help me lol
its not easy to figure out. the best is to start tanky and slowly start building damage!
MurderInc Raid copy copy. Keep it up 👍🏾 bro I like your style man. I’ve always said every champ has a purpose and can do a lot more then everyone thinks. The videos you make totally fuks up what’s people think is the norm and I like that a lot. Keep it up once again!!!
Have anyone tested properly Cruetraxa potential on Nm and Unm cb?
Honestly, with the level of account you have, you could probably make turvold hit for 1 million on his a3. 7-8 buffs and god tier gear, he could do as much as a coldheart
i think i can get the a3 to hit for 550k+ each hit, i really want one!
I think, Mountain King does more damage than Knight Errant is simply due to the fact, that his a1 is hitting way harder then Knight Errants does and both champions suffer from the CB Infernal Resistance passive, which caps the incoming damage he receives, once he gets too much damage in a single hit. This will hurt the spike damage done by the a3 of the Knight Errant way more than the Mountain Kings overall more spread out damage.
KE doesn't have skills based on max hp that should be nerfed by Infernal Resilience. Although it's possible rare and epic damage is nerfed overall against CB, the reason here is much more simple: In the previous video Knight Errant had 50% atk up buff. Mountain King skills are based primarily off hp, then atk, so they benefit less from atk up. Also, KE a3 has 6 turn cd while MK a2 and a3 have both 4 turn cd. Finally, while KE a3 may do more damage than MK a2 and a3, his A1 may do less damage, I don't know because it was not tested in the previous video. So, yes, under these circumstances, it's easy to see MK will do more damage.
Thanks for pointing this out, I assumed Infernal Resistance will proc always when doing too much damage.
Is it possible to even consider UNM without CA or unkillable team ... ?
yes i have videos on speed teams for unm!
Also, Rotos is worth a shot in this RAW damage type setup! I've done 16+ mil with him on nm cb. His passive allows you to build him PURE damage he's worth a look.
My record was 17.1 from Rotos alone I have a screenshot. Also, my Rotos has no books.
Got my sub, great video
Man i love your videos
Sineisha hits pretty hard for support, was my main damage dealer on spider 15, Stag Knight and Shirimani are good as well
oh, and Bellower
almost forgot Seer XD did spider 17 with her and Renegade
Here I think, as with the last video, it is the +ATK buff that marked the difference. Or the lack og the same. So knight errant does only 66% of the damage as in the last video. And also, I imagine the boss has more armor.
EDIT: Good video! I love them! Keep them comming :)
Mate, i hope you can get yourself a Turvold. I've never seen any skill on any champ being able to even get close to how hard his A3 hits clan boss. I've seen him hiting 700k(2*350k), and that was with only 6 buffs on him, and not an insane gear, just really good gear.
And what about Rotos in Savage gear?
Intresting, but i dont have any of those legend heroes. How much have you spent on this game? 20000usd?
Awesome video! I like damage myself.
Good video. I would use damage per clannboss round instead damage per minute. Minute is very situational. Framerate, counterattack, animations etc. Clanboss round is on the other hand what it is
they are essentially the same thing. This started with unkillable theorycrafting in october when you wanted to be able to min max damage and make it as fast as possible. this just does the same thing. so instead of limiting it to dmg per round you are adding a QoL efficiency to it by being able to make it take less time since more than people think still manual CB keys.
Mountain King, like Septimus, is HP based. Better in CB and other boss fights than Knight Errant. Knight would predictably shine more in Arena and non-boss fights. This is what your video shows. I saw you use Septimus in an incredible UNM video. I suspect he compares much better to the Dwarf... And thanks for your experiments.
Septimus isn't based off hp, his a2 is based off atk and enemy max hp
Can this style of comp even work without a Valk for the shields?
Not really without leech + high damage or lifesteal . CB doesn't even break through Valk shield with 6k defense + defense up buff until like turn 25-30 depending on how close your champ is to 4k defense. If your champ isn't at least at 3.5k defense then around turn 30 he starts breaking through the shield on the first or second hit, and by turn 35 he's typically killing any champ through the shield + full hp on the first aoe unless they have stalwart.
a double ally protect is the next best thing. They won't be able to remain at full hp in the same way though
this is just the best and "most extreme" example of this team working. as long as you gear your champions properly this can work with many champions, for less damage per key of course. it is all relevant to where you are at in the game and the gear you have access too!
Venus , Doompriest , Lugan ?
I was getting around 9 mil up to 12 but 9 was the norm from Rotos. rip relentless now 6-8.
Thanks Murder.
How about brakus with relentless? 🤔
I've tried that he's a beast but relentless stats are hard to get and the increase in mastery damage from savage on him is HuGe
@@MurderIncRaid gonna try savage on him then!
with valk shield I can 1 key Nightmare without lifesteal, leech or any healers on the team. Valk is OP!
Guy in my clan pulled her and went from 28 to 60 mill with no tweaking
Thanks again Lord Commander!
i dont know if you have a drexthar but he matches my draco in damage both nm and unm and he heals with his a1 also
Try Rotos in place of Mountain King. His raw damage I think would be higher
John Ritter problem with rotos is you need him in relentless gear, which can throw out speed tuning
I've seen Rotos put up some crazy damage numbers in Savage gear. He doesn't have to have Relentless. I forget who else was on the comp so he may have been benefiting from synergy with other champions but he's also a beast in Savage gear.
Yeah I recently switched mine to savage gear with similar stats as the relentless set and the damage was pretty much the same
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WHATTTT THEEEE FUCK!!!! YOU'RE A GAME CHANGER! Well done bro
My Rhazin outputs around 10mil damage per run...so,he is better right...?
in the same amount of minutes as mine? if so yes! it has nothing to do with total damage and everything to do with the amount of minutes!
@@MurderIncRaid yes,you r right...I'm surviving for over 12min...also,I'm generating 45k per hit on his A1 and 90k&140k from his A2 and A3 respectively...
murder, i've had whisper for a month in my cb, and my gear was nowehre near what your knight errant has. She hit for 80-120k on her auto on nm. You should check her out. I bet she'll blow KR out of the water.
the prob with extra turn champs is they miss out on counter attack which makes them die much faster!
@@MurderIncRaid yes, thats why i swapped her out, but she outdamaged my septimus with twice or more damage. Insuppose she would be better in a non ca comp
Can't Rotos put out more damage than MK? I've seen some insane numbers from him on Ultra NM.
Knight Errant needs to be at 100% for his a3 to hit with all the extra dmg
Yeah, he needs bigger shields and continuous heal to keep his health full (before he attacks) and improve his damage. Put Sir Nic in there with him.
KE was at max health for most of the fight
Knight Errant hits like a wet nuddle.
I have mountain king I only use him in arena definitely gonna try him out in cb
im surprised a void epic cant do more damage than a normal epic.
Murder do Cupidus! I think it'd be a great challenge and the current guides are bad for him
It's not really a fair comparison between knight errant and Mountain king in this video. (Knight errant is missing 70-80% of his attack) since in the other vid you had attack up + attack aura.
Murder what about a Masterie try? Meaning youll basically Putting fk Heroes in with multiple hits, a ca heroe Like valk and try to Stack as much DMG as possible through the WM Hits with fitting heroes?
But anyway, great out of the Box Video as always!
yes mastery damage is another great alternative!
would like to see your Yannica in CB
Don't understand damage per minute in game where you have rounds and it can longs as far as you thinking). Damage per round is much more easier to understand as I think
they are essentially the same thing. This started with unkillable theorycrafting in october when you wanted to be able to min max damage and make it as fast as possible. this just does the same thing. so instead of limiting it to dmg per round you are adding a QoL efficiency to it by being able to make it take less time since more than people think still manual CB keys.
@@MurderIncRaid ,hey, but try to understand, how can you use DPM or DPS in game where everything is depends on CB turns? Heroes have different animation time, different freezes. You have 50 turns of CB, but for different pull of heroes time to survive 50 turn will be different. Damage per turn more applicable as for me.
@@ВадимНиколаев-я6я I understand and that is true, turns still apply to minute the only thing that is added for minute is for people who have to manual or want to get quick times. there is more people with interest in that than people think!
I would like to see if you can improve on Mr. P’s team kizzle showed on his channel
crazy world of end game
Still waiting on the Cupidus spotlight, great info though
I like your intro lol
Knight Errant does not even have 700 Defense ...
Waht about crux? But better dont use her with a ca setup
I think Sepulcher Sentinel will be better from Altman in this team
dude , u r awesome
this is not viable until late late game and having valk people on brutal trying to build crit and crit dmg dont have the stats for survivability as well and will be quite disappointed as you pointed out its all in relation to poison damage. most people cant out damage poisons with their champions XD
Dude your defense down was very random and you didint have attack up.... thats why moutain king does more...his dmg is based on hp and errant is based on attack so if you have him at 6k + 50% and a leader with attacj dmg.. hes gonna do 600k again.
altan needs to be lead to soak the stun and provide def aura. also most attack up champions do very little damage so knight errant would have to compensate for another champions damage to make it worth while. the other problem with KE is his weaken messes with draco's dd/weaken lowering his value again!
@@MurderIncRaid all im saying is you need some attack up champion in the equation....and you will see eran doing his 600k.
@@MurderIncRaid i dont know ... put someone else for the test to take the stun...and add brakus for the attack ...
It’s Time to stop⏱
Leech is a heal......Its currently better then Lifesteal.
there is no better than or worse than in this game. every champion and composition has its strengths and weaknesses!
gg murder
Where did raw dmg outperform poisons?
if you do the math on his damage he outperforms non GS poisoners. or compare other poisoners to draco and they do ~70-75% of his damage
@@MurderIncRaid if we are talking about Mountain King, how many times have you run him in cb and did he do this dmg on a consistent base?
@@MurderIncRaid he might have just had good rng on WM and if you compare your dracos dmg in these 2 fights, he lasted 2 mins longer and did 1 mil more dmg only. So it seems that draco did crap dmg in the 2nd fight. The only raw dmg dealer on cb that can be compared to top poisoners is Turvold. Edit: Your Draco did not even do 1mil more but 400k more in 2 those 2 mins that he lasted longer
@@ivankecina2692 I tested MK about a month ago in CB. My sample size is only 3 keys but MKs damage was the lowest in this video compared to the others. Poisoners outside of draco hit for 10-30k on normal per hit. all you have to do is calculate their poisoner % chance, as well as how many on avg they apply per turn. calculate their dmg per round with mastery procs then compare it. MK is currently at 200k avg per round including stun phase. The average poisoner that applies 1-2 poisons a turn with a % chance averages 160k damage per turn! Turvold is a bad comparison to poisoners because he does more damage than any poisoner by a mile, I think a lot of people know this. He can hit do close to 1 million a turn with his a3 in good gear and no champion in the game has that capability which is why he is the best damage dealer in the game with or without poisons for clan boss!
I would like minaya in cb pls