Ultimate Nintendo? N64 Review Guide done via software emulation. For those asking, here's clarification from Pat himself. drive.google.com/file/d/15-dSUY9N8sbhySvYkJ5G6DfDsdkG6rVY/view
For someone with so many resources at his disposal, as Pat has, it's shameful to be using software emulation to write an "ultimate" guide for the N64. The N64 emulators are still a far cry from the real hardware in terms of timing and speed accuracy AFAIK; so it's pretty bad that anyone is creating so-called "ultimate" N64 reviews based on such inaccurate and hacky emulators. Also, no clear statement on which emulators and settings were used. God knows if some games were played using HD texture packs, widescreen hacks, and whatnot. No way to determine the input lag either. People who try to sugarcoat shit like that should be ashamed. Thanks for exposing this freakin' mess of a "guide".
@@abaroners honestly n64 emulation is not really a "far cry" from original hardware anymore, the only game consoles now that are not emulated properly is the sega saturn and original Xbox. I mean ps3 is being emulated with amazing results, and even the atari jaguar finally got an amazing emulator recently
I am a fan of pats content. That being said he has terribly thin skin. He has a huge ego and huge opinion. When he's wrong he doubles down and burns bridges left and right. I had to stop listening to their podcast for a year because the negativity became too much. Just my irrelevant opinion on the matter.
@@yellowblanka6058 There's nothing wrong with being opinionated. I'm that way as well but when you run a podcast it's best not to offend your audience and virtue signal what everyone should like.
Not everyone knows how to deep dive so videos like this help to widen the audience before they spend money on someone they may not know the full story of. Stop complaining and dont watch if you dont like it. No one is forcing you to be here
Lol, pats a good dude, he gets alot hate from other youtubers, I hate all this shade, all you old dudes should just get along, I thought with age comes wisdom
I kick-started the Cheetahmen II game, never received my order from Greg. He said he ran out of copies yet at conventions and on eBay he was selling copies on the side for way more than the 60 dollar price. I had to get my refund from my CC company. I called Greg out on Nintendoage along the youtubers in his video to spotlight that a batch of kickstarters didn't get their copy. Most of the members didn't believe us and blindly followed Greg, just like people on Atari Age blindly followed Tommy even after things looked shady. Glad attention was brought to this.
We all know the best NES history books (which by the way include original screenshots from original hardware) all end in "Works" and are written by Jeremy Parish.
He’s a real journalist/writer too. He doesn’t have to self proclaim his status. His work speaks for itself. He’s also very approachable and is very amicable to his fans.
Jeremy's vids are like drugs for my retro gamer brain, they're so good. Plus his chill AF voice just adds to that state of fun bliss. Especially knowing he's essentially an underappreciated professional at his field and is capable of rectifying personal mistakes. Like his initial negativity towards Hokuto no Ken, which, in his Master System Segaiden video featuring its game based on the anime, he showed better understanding and a more positive look towards the game and the franchise
Pat is a funny guy. Not gonna lie he and Ian make good points every now and then but he has a gaming podcast and doesn’t play games. Can dish out criticism but can’t take it and likes to prop himself up by putting others down. most importantly he just comes across very unlikable.
I heard he was smoking weed on the job and a mother with her child was visiting the game store and complained about it and he had a meltdown and started screaming like a lunatic apparently.
@@John-nb6ep yeah, if you heard this, than it’s probably BS by someone who doesn’t like them either 😂😂 the guy worked at the store (I’m presuming you talking about Ian) for many years, and he quit on his own and now has a job outside retail. He probably was competent enough at his job. Just stick to the takes he has online you don’t agree with, not what some guy said he heard from another guy who works with a guy who’s neighbour went to a video game store and got served by stoner that went ape shit. For starters stoners don’t go ape shit, they chill. He could be drunk, high on meth/cocain or acid. That makes you go crazy. But not weed. Unless he ate them, but then you tripping not just casually high.
@@sloppynyuszi It came from his own mouth. And yes addicts are "chill" until you deprive them of their "drugs" and they're suddenly not so chill anymore. Clearly it must be a personal thing for you as your habits seem to coincide with his by the sounds of it.
I’m only going to say one thing but the mention/comparison to Jimmy Saville at the end is totally uncalled for. Pat may be an asshole but Jimmy Saville committed a long range of disgusting offences over a very long time in this country and is one of the most monstrous people that this country is ashamed of. You’ve stooped lower than any comments Pat and Ian made over games. I appreciate what you were trying to say that people aren’t always who they appear to be but he was the wrong example to use.
@@Jenovi As I said, great video! However, apart from what @Phillip Bailey pointed out, there are a couple other questions/concerns I might have about it. Chief among those: *1) Proposing The Geek Getaway as some sort of real version of the authentic voice that Pat merely purports to be.* *2) Collaborating with SmashJT.* *3) Having a strong stance against the use of emulation for N64 game reviews.* 1) In his [admittedly] brilliant _Amico Christmas_ video, Pat blasted the "shills," including Tony ( @The Geek Getaway ), for endorsing investment in the brand. Moreover, that segment follows a clip of Tony denying ever doing that with a flashback to him most *definitely* and gushingly doing that. Regardless of Tony's sincere confidence in the project at the time, you can't deny that he failed his followers. This, of course, is completely separate from the issue of him being denied his due credit, but given what I just brought up, do you still see him as that figure the community needs? 2) While I certainly command Jeff for coming to his senses when overwhelmed with facts, his prior ill-thought-out and vicious attacks on the skeptics were totally uncalled for. Also, unless I'm missing context, accusing Ian of fraud for crowdfunding a medical bill is indefensible and perhaps even irredeemable. Could these concerns about the quality of Jeff's character be alleviated? 3) One might argue that there could be more to a *truly* authentic gaming experience besides a proper controller and accurate emulation. Would your stance against emulators for review plays also extend to other systems, like arcade machines? Suppose I'm reviewing some brutal early 90s bullet curtain coin muncher for a similarly marketed book; should I bring a bucket of quarters to my local arcade to ensure a "genuine" gameplay experience? Anyway, love this video and would love to hear your thoughts on this (and @Phillip Bailey's thoughts).
During the height of the Amico crap. I suggested he interview Tommy Tallarico. I thought a hard interview would put a stake in the Amico and he replied rudely name calling. Kinda rubbed me wrong way, but not enough to reply in kind. I thought maybe he was having a bad day. But it seemed over time to be his personality.
If you watch Top Loaded Gaming's interview he asked some hard questions to Tommy and then did a follow-up video to take apart more of his points about the Amico.
I asked Pat to try the console so if he hated it then at least he could spend the next five years or so criticising it with first hand experience. He blocked me on Twitter. 🤷♂
@@SirPumpkinSlice Of course the console exists at least as a demo unit. Other TH-camrs had tried it like MJR. I wasn't really asking the world of Pat. 😆
@@Jenovi ugh seriously fuck ReviewTechUSA, that guy is a nazi piece of human garbage, can't take anything he says seriously. If nothing else at least Pat isn't a bigot like that pathetic alt-reich loser.
@@JenoviI'm a bit confused by the court case at the start. You say that "Keller was embezzling money" (and the first court document screenshot you show seems to confirm this. Then you say that "Pabich was committing fraud".... But how can that be if Keller was the one stealing money? Sorry if I missed something. Were they both stealing? Was there a counter suit? 😅
Yeah, this has been a long time coming. The guy is a creep. And the irony is that Brett Weiss had the best reviews in the book. Pat's were abysmal, and I was sad I spent money on it. Embarrassing.
Pat's review for Mach Rider 'My sisters boyfriend at the time treated me mean, so that's probably why I don't like it very much'. TF? I just paid $60 for this?
I get so tired of people being so sensitive. I watched speedy Gonzales all my childhood and it was very racist and stereotypical. I dont remember people crying about that.
I stopped watching Pat the nes punk years ago, but sure, he was fun to watch. I was a bit surprised to find this video, only because I expect most adults to kind of.... lose interest in video games (marriage, have kids, buy a house). There is only so much you can do in the world of making you tube videos about video games and its even more saturated then it was say 10 years ago. You eventually hit a dead end and cannot move forward. I think James Rolf / AVGN had the right idea and made a feature length movie. If a person cannot expand beyond making videos about the same hobby, you start to feel stuck. Is it surprising that Pat the nes punk, eventually got desperate? I think he needs to look into a 2nd career.
Excellent video dude and shines a light on a big issue of larger “influencers” (I hate that term) outright stealing from people who do the work; like Hbomberguy completely ripping off Goose’s work. Also liked you did mention our distain if you will for Brett Weiss, and our favorite “buh my booowhk” catch-phrase, and he is who he is on camera 100%. As far as Pat goes I always saw him as arrogant. I remember seeing him on James and Mike mondays and he was talking down to them, like he was better than them. And there’s a clip of James doing a panel, and Pat was in the audience, raised his hand to ask a question, then gets up and invites himself to go on stage to sit next to James. The look on James’ face was awkward and annoyed, and Pat then steals the panel.
Hbomberguy provides an incredibly lengthy source document that sources every single one of his Tommy related claims. He didn't rip off Goose, like Goose he researched Tommy and they were mining the same vein of content.
38:55 Oh the self-contained hypocrisy and irony of calling the Diablo fans _rude_ while telling those _babies_ who need to _grow up_ to _sit down and shut the [F] up._
Came here looking for this comment! Stop watching shortly after that, because I could almost smell the righteous indignation bursting out of their pores through the screen.
The thing is, they are most of the time 100% right. No matter how you feel about them, they have done a lot of public good. The issue, again, is their glaring *H Y P O C R I C Y.* Not only do they fail to hold themselves to the same standards, but are also quick to block and/or attack those that do.
I don't like Pat, which is why I took the time to watch this video. It felt to me like you were really stretching in some of the material included here, particularly the expose of the shocking fact that a TH-camr had Blue Apron ads and the just absolute garbage move of comparing him to a mispronounced Jimmy Saville. Come on.
@@Jenovi This wasn't specifically targeted at you, Jenovi. I like your stuff, but man I just got finished watching Beef on Netflix and honestly the two main characters just reminded retro TH-cam community. So much shit slinging. I even made the comment on Pat's video yesterday saying maybe he should go piss all over Larry's bathroom and I was just making a Beef reference. Stuff has gotten out of hand and it's not very entertaining. At least you weren't petty and just try to lay out facts, but it's still throwing gasoline on the entire situation. Oh well.
I made a similar comment, where I’m hoping Jenovi stays away from this drama, and digs up more obscure stuff that makes old haldware look less like failures.
The main body of text is pat, the reviews - which are clearly marked - are individually credited. This isn't uncommon with guide books like this - Leonard Maltins film guide books have "by Leonard Maltin" on the cover but over 30 individuals provide reviews. It's not shady. Or the Sight and Sound Film guide - credited to Mark Cousins but inside you'll find reviews individually credited from about 50 individuals. It's just the format. Nothing shady.
All communities have some bad people here and there... no matter what community it is. If anything the paranormal community compared to the retro game community is a complete sewer!
I never bought the Ultimate books, but that is honestly shocking that someone would A) send that quality of product to backers and B) shaft the backers to sell at conventions. That suuuuuuuuuuucks.
Yeah, generally I like Pat, but releasing such an unfinished product and selling them at conventions before sending to backers is really disappointing.
The fact he had to update the reprint all the time and it’s not sold as editions is both scammy and stupid. If he released updates several times, changed the cover and some small internal design bits and just named them revisions, he would have made more money, and look less scammy. Now it just seems first print buyers have an inferior product and buying something that seems exactly the same with mistakes fixed seems like a rip off. A new cover and an aknowledgment would have gone a long way.
I've never followed Pat too closely, but I've never been a fan - something about his attitude just rubs me the wrong way. The gaming channels I enjoy on TH-cam are all extremely positive - shoutouts to Riff & co., Metal Jesus & his crew, etc.
Thank you for this video, we all need to be held accountable for our actions, especially so when success or a position of authority in a particular domain. I value your work to have put this much effort bringing out more details for us in order to have the better picture on this whole story.
Just watched this video with Review Tech USA and I almost spit out my drink when you compared him to Jimmy Saville lmao. Isn't that a bit much? You might as well compare him to Hitler
The only time I’ve heard of Pat is he tried to start a feud with a retro computer channel I watch because the guy made a video about making replacement labels for his own game. From what I’ve seen, Pat’s a instigator who will start feuds to continue his own relevance. As for emulation, for NES and SNES it can be fine as long as you disclose it since these systems have mature emulation. N64 emulation has come a long way, but with the unique controllers and remaining issues it absolutely shouldn’t be used.
@@samv.3217 it was just Pat saying something about the 8 Bit Guy making replacement labels for 8 Bit’s own collection. Minor thing, but it felt like Pat trying to conform other people’s collections to his standards. 8 Bit labeled the replacement labels in his other video about the topic, which is a fair compromise between the two positions.
Pat Contri has always been the epitome of cringe to me. He is an annoying, narcissistic, man-child, but most annoying of all, he isn't funny in the slightest, but is constantly cracking jokes. Nothing in the world is more annoying to me than someone who isn't funny trying to be funny. I used to occasionally listen to the CU podcast because I found Ian's stories about the game store he worked in really entertaining, but their uninformed political takes were unbearable to listen to (even when I agreed with them on the issue).
Genuinely feeling like I've stumbled upon a community of grown men doing he-said-she-said in their 40's. This video was about 40mins longer than it needed to be and it made me a little sad to think TH-cam and retro gaming went from being a place of content discovery and retro celebration to this sort of content. What's worse is people waiting for a "response from Pat", and so on and so forth. This stuff just ruins any semblance of "community", and I just wanted to ask all of you big content creators of retro to go back to what we all originally signed up for. This sure isn't it. More gaming and less naming please. We're all grown ups at this point. This is all cringey content, from any "side", that won't age nearly as well as our retro games have! More love, less hate please! ❤ Act like the community leaders you have all worked so hard to be!
Bigbluefrontend is right, they’re all just shills looking for ad revenue, patreon cash and something to shill. 99.9% of anything “retro gaming” has 0 game playing. Do these people even play games?
There's a level of desperation and cynicism leaking into a lot of TH-cam channels recently. Way too much over dramatizing over "scandals" that involve little to no proven wrongdoing, or just too much focus on attacking and "exposing" people like James Rolfe who has scarcely done anything unethical as far as I know.
Do you really think any of those individuals are "community leaders"? And the guy who made the video is the childish one, according to you? Don't worry, I'm sure you'll still be invited to Pat's slumber party, Mr. Adult.
Awesome video! Pat has always been this weird guy with a lot of obvious issues. I’m glad someone finally had the balls to call him out on his bullshit. Keep up the solid work!!!
This is so validating to watch, I have never ever liked Pat Contri and always refused to watch him, even when there was minimal retro content years ago. Always trust your gut feeling about someone.
Pat's initial run of game-focused videos were fine, and fun at the time. The literal second he got behind a microphone for a living (podcast) - I realized he was a piece of garbage and unsubbed. I honestly hadn't heard about him much until this video popped up suggested in the sidebar after a different retro video.
His content was always terrible in my opinion. Honestly, people were better off watching the other shows he promoted like Game Chasers, Pixel Dan, and Gaming Historian. At least they don't treat their viewers like shit.
I stopped liking Pat after that Diablo Immortal video. I'm not even a Diablo fan(it's OK, I never got a chance to enjoy it at its prime) but I found it so insulting that the devs had the audacity to tell thier fan base "don't you have phones??" Stuff like that used to get employees canned. But Pat really went full Brainy smurf going "You guys are acting like babies" and jumped on Blizzards lap on that issue
Funny enough I sort of agreed with Pat on that. But also sort of not because announcing it as their big reveal at Blizzcon was also really stupid on blizzard’s part. So the people that paid to attend that event had a right to be pissed at least, as that type of game is more of the kind you just shadow drop a trailer on TH-cam for.
@@TheLastLineLive The Diablo fanbase had an overreaction and that's just what those two were harping about. The problems with them started because many assumed this automatically makes them Acti-Blizz boot lickers, which is a false dichotomy here. Ian even says he doesn't like pay2win stuff nor mobile games.
I met Pat and Ian at a con here in AZ and Ian seemed more enjoyable and this was just after a big stocmach issue of his. Not long after, the Diablo "incident" happened and i could not stand their response to fans being passionate about a franchise they've loved since possibly the 90's. Blizzard had to know their base was going to be upset at the announcement of a mobile game. And in hindsight, Blizzard could've easily just started by saying D4 is coming, but here's something while you wait.
Damn the editing for some of the pictures was ice cold and incredibly amusing for someone who used to follow all this nonsense. Well done. I still remember when the CU Podcast covered the "Dreamcast 2" and it was so incredibly bizarre. They directly compared a real company like Majesco with some random nobodies that were stealing Sega's IP and then later claimed they didn't. I always felt that they always wanted to be seen as "experts" but just had no common sense or practical knowledge base for the video game business.
I'm so happy to see someone on youtube giving Jeff whittenhagen credit . I met him many years ago when he was living in my area through collecting and the guy is just an awesome person that I'm happy to say I got to be friends with .
Pretty shocking... It never ceases to amaze me how people try to make money off old IP that they do not have license or rights too. This has happened too much with "prototypes" in the past. I first noticed it in the Atari Lynx community, then the NES community... People pay a load of cash for a proto / unreleased game then try to cash in by replicating and selling clones...
I barely every cared about this guy, literally the only reason I even know he exists is because he was in an episode of AVGN, other than that I never cared about him, he was like Linkara to me, completely and utterly uninteresting.
The recent output from Pat seems only to be negative. To the point where a relatively ancient video (albeit reaffirming the Amoco scandal) of Tommy Tallarico was his biggest video posted this last month. I just miss the times when we all grouped together in the hobby.
I didn't unsubscribe and completely stop watching Pat until I watched the CU podcast with him & Ian taking a dump on the Diablo fans. Even before then, I was starting to leave nasty comments so it was time to forget about it. Shame because I enjoyed the flea market videos and Frank a whole lot!
Awesome video! Pat and Ian are intolerable with their condescending and arrogant takes on the video game industry. The Diablo Mobile reaction is what removed any semblance of respect most people had for them.
Jeff needs attention.he was happy to do it. He's slimy as hell and can't help himself. His hard on for pat has always seemed petty. I don't love pat either. It's the case of two ppl not liking each other,and getting high and mighty in each other...when in reality, they're both the same kind of person. I've seen that slot through the years
I first realized that Pat was full of it when I would watch his flea market madness videos. He would try to shame people who he deemed as “resellers” when they were literally doing the same exact thing he was. Acquire “valuable” games for the Lowest cost. It doesn’t matter that he didn’t turn around and resell them. Maybe he sells them years later. No difference between the two but because the other guy wasn’t Pat then it was bad and predatory. If it was Pat doing it then it’s ok because he’s Pat and deserves it more simply because he is Pat.
The problem with flea market resellers was that they were purchasing entire lots of games, negotiating lower prices, then selling for ridiculous prices, killing the flea market experience for everyone
Pat and Ian have always come across as these types who talk shit about people from behind a video or keyboard, but would never talk shit about someone face to face.
They've had people come up to them to have a go at them for their opinions and they talked about these 'incidents' on the podcast. They end up playing victim as though they didn't expect this to happen. 😆
6:55 My buddy Andy, who later became a co-worker at Microsoft, made Super Russian Roulette. The visuals he creates for older titles are wild. Look up his Sega CD stuff. It takes a STUPID amount of time to create carts, particularly if you do it from your home (like he did)
I certainly will! The quality of the work is impeccable. I made a video on the game where I played against customers inside Pixel Vault Games in Ontario, CA. I recorded for a day on site around the same time it was released. Edited and finalized, but decided not to release the video. I was going to drop some of that footage in, but I can't find it anywhere. Very frustrating.
@@Jenovi This is the closest thing I could find. A video of him (Batsly Adams) using a Nomad to change the effects on screen: th-cam.com/video/kW3YR2_8tnc/w-d-xo.html Worst case, I have a physical copy of the Sega CD work. I should rip it to my NAS, but I'd be happy to share once I do
One thing I will disagree with a little is as bad as Pat is, NintendoAge was even worse and he was justified in attacking them. They were the absolute biggest group of elitist scumbags of any realm of collecting. One prominent user would literally send private messages to people and threaten them if they tried to bid on games he wanted, which is what led to Tim Atwood (the guy who owns CASES of sealed Stadium Events) showing up and essentially devaluing their "investments" by introducing more copies into the market. Another guy would buy all the rare unreleased games and prototypes he could find and refuse to release the roms unless someone paid him like 30 grand per game. The people who were moderators at NintendoAge are the same people the started WATA, one of the biggest scams of all time...that alone should tell you everything you need to know.
@@pferreira1983 damn did Tim die? I didn't hear about that. He was a nice dude, he actually "sold" a couple sealed Stadium Events for $2 to people that just needed them for their collections
"An original controller was almost certainly not used. This is critical to the N64 platform..." THANK YOU!! I'm so sick of hearing people complain about the controller. It's a really damn good controller, one of Nintendo's best despite the several flaws. Playing N64 games with an Xbox controller absolutely sucks. There's no good way to map the C-buttons without it feeling awkward.
@@Jenovi I actually went through this fairly recently. I got sick of issues with N64 emulation. The button layout with a modern controller stinks, so I pulled out my old USB N64 no-name controller. Stick sucks, the variance of the analog range is COMPLETELY off, and no amount of adjustment could fix it. Useless piece of junk. I'd rather use an Xbox controller. Bought one of the new Brawler64 NSO controllers. Very nice controller, but there's noticeable lag over Bluetooth. Not sure why. The stick is also nice, but feels different from the original N64 controller. I'm not sure, but I believe this one also has a different variance to its analog range (ie, pushing the stick x% doesn't result in the same x% of an original controller). Broke down and bought a BlissBox to use with my original N64 controller. This is an awesome solution, and it's easy to set up! However, my stick is a bit worn out. Still usable, but not ideal, and I feel like the more I use it without breaking it open and addressing the issue, the worse it's going to get. Plus, it requires a cord which isn't ideal with my computer hooked up to the TV. So I paid a premium for the NSO N64 controller. No perceptible lag over Bluetooth, feels like a real Nintendo controller, and it's brand new. I wish Nintendo would make more of these things, so that people could still buy them at MSRP!
@@rars0n The problem I tend to highlight is you can't do accurate reviews with N64 emulation because it's just not there yet. Pat has 5K to challenge someone he doesn't like to a bet but finds it too expensive and difficult to give flashcarts to his writers to review the games. 😆
I had a cheap computer controller that worked great on my N64 controller. A friend of mine said the current pro controller doesn't work well with Ocarina Of Time.
As co-founder of mobygames, I'm always frustrated hearing that screenshots were taken from mobygames and used without permission or credit. At minimum, it's disrespectful to everyone who contributed the screenshots.
Let's be honest Mike's comics are so old, and he hasn't done anything like that since, there's zero reason to give him crap about it now. We have to stop acting like people need to be forever guilty for old humor. Pat is a garbage person though there's no disputing that.
I can honestly say, from person encounters with "Pat".. is a very arrogant and unpleasant person to do business with. I can't speak for other peopleI witnesses that don't like him for his Diva attitude. Great video with information people need to know.
I was always nice to pat in the comments. but he still blocked me .and i have no idea why. Probably because of a joke he didn't understand. or because i interacted with one of his haters.
the thing with the nes guide book was as soon as I saw what the pages looked like, it was obvious that it was put together by someone with zero knowledge of graphic design or typography, it looked like Pat thought he could save some bucks doing it himself and it shows, it might have a nice cover but the insides are trash
Can you imagine trying to review an N64 game if you were playing on emulation and some random controller. It's one of the few libraries where the games are designed around that one special controller. The Dpad is almost always ignored and wildly underused vs other systems, and most importantly the analogue stick essentially had that 8 way gate carved into the plastic that many games absolutely rely on. Super Mario 64 has noticeably worst controls without those exact gates as they are used to make mario walk/jump in straight lines. I cut my ties with pat after how disappointing his first book was. I've been buying Bit Map Books since the disappointment with pat.
@@joshua.snyder they need TH-cam for the exposure. Their largest audience is on this platform. They need to be on TH-cam to shill their other shit like books, shirts, appearances etc. But they probably don't make enough to make it worth while. I make $1.34 per thousand views, then TH-cam takes 40%. I don't know what their sponsorships bring in, but its fair to say if if was enough to make a living they would make videos everyday.
@@CMRetroGaming Again, if true then why greatly reduce your exposure? I get the whole retro gaming podcast is circling the drain in a mudflinging snipefest, but this doesn't add up.
@@joshua.snyder They are staying relevant on the platform by doing half the work. They have 250K subs and get around 25K views in that first 72 hour-ish period. (Some videos do better of course, like Amico) I wonder if they are thinking that less is more. If they post less (reduce exposure) they will get more views because the episodes "feel more special" because you don't get one everyday. Although I'm not sure that this is a "thing" in the algorithm. I have gone long stretches without posting and my next video ends up doing a little better.
As someone who was backstabbed by hands down the worst guy in the retro gaming community (Kieren Hawken), it sucks to see that the American retro gaming scene has the same stuff as the British retro gaming scene. Full of scammers, grifters, and fly-by-night assholes. Great video Jenovi! It's good to see another video from you :D
@@retromags-ng3de Seriously, fuck that guy! I invested three years of my life building his facebook group and i was later kicked out after i figured out his bullshit during the Octavius Kitten debacle
He's definitely in the grifter camp. The "rules for thee, but not for me" mentality is something he practices often. He also has the narcissism to go with it.
27:14 - It's not a matter of defending Pat, but for the sake of buttressing your own position, you NEED to provide FULL context for an audio podcast quote like this.
I stuck around and watched the whole video which is basically a hit piece on Pat. I wanted to give it a chance and I do think you make some decent points but overall I find this very unreasonable. You know, I guess it's fair to criticize the quality of Pat's book (I am happy with mine for what it's worth) or his attitude. But I think some of these criticisms are unfair, such as taking sponsors for a podcast, which is totally normal and not even close to unique to Pat. I also think if you want to get your point across without appearing biased it would be good to not have people dub over these selected and cut quotes from Pat with added emphasis of a whiny fake voice. That doesnt seem like a journalistic analysis. Lastly, the idea that using emulators to play NES games makes the reviews invalid is entirely ridiculous. This is not new technology and the minor differences between NES emulation on a PC and a real cartridge is meaningless in the context of a 1 page review of a game designed to give the reader a sense of the general experience, which is the purpose of a review and not some kind of technical deep dive. Anyway, these are just a few of my thoughts after watching. I've enjoyed some of your other videos and think you can do better.
Critiquing the book quality is really only valid if we take Pat at his word. That being he knowingly shipped a bad product to meet a deadline. If that's true, it's a massive issue no matter how I feel. If that's not the case, then it's not about the book but Pat's actions related other writers. I gave my position on the book in this video at the time of its release, I didn't view it via a critical lens and critiquing it was not my goal here. Everything else shared was just filling in all the arguments. The pros and cons were not my arguments, but others who also purchased the book. The emulation segment was not in regard to the NES, but the N64. Pat owned a full NES set, I wasn't overly concerned about him and the NES. Also, everything was Pat's own voice unless it was written. then it was voices as needed. Many thanks for the comment and for watching.
I've always seen that he is a narcissist with a ridiculous ego. Pretty incredible how hypocritical he can be, honestly. Rules for thee but not for me has been something Pat's always been doing, they call others out all the time, but they hate anyone calling them out.
this is the most comprehensive and reasonable video i've ever seen anyone make on pat. also kudos to you for making this. a lot of people may disregard this stuff as "personal drama" but honestly - and there's plenty of data to back this up - narcissistic, abusive, and even outright sociopathic behavior are absolute epidemics in this country and a lot of people are just programmed to dismiss these things in people when they're a "celebrity" or a "content creator" or whatever. and google / youtube / social media algorithms straight up elevate people like this to boot. i feel like, for all these reasons, it's super important - and refreshing - when people make level headed exposés like this one you've made about pat. people need to get more educated about folks who exhibit these sort of pathologies and stop enabling it. pat and ian both need therapy they're clearly not getting, and people who act like them need to stop getting passes in society, whether it's in the gaming community or otherwise. it actually does matter if you're an asshole or not. how we treat each other as humans matters, and it's not just petty drama to point out when someone acts how pat does towards this many people. again, thanks for making this.
@@adesignersperspective I mean I don't want to clip them but no TH-camr is making an effort. Everyone seems happy to give them a free pass for some reason. 🤷♂
My problem with him goes back to 2015 when he called me poor Don't try to flex cause you spent $200 on a nes game...that's just lame. Spend your money on whatever you want, but don't act like YOUR bad spending habits make you better than me God I hate that guy
@@greenkoopa Sounds like me, as I use to be a fan of Pat, going as far as helping to promote his charity streams on social, giving what I could afford at the time(time, and money wise)working 2 jobs to make end meet, and even bought a digital copy of his NES book, but I had what I considered a different but respectful opinion on social one time on a game, but the childish way he responded back really turned me off, and I've not followed him for several years now, so I'm glad he's getting called out here, and being shown for what he is, and that's an F'ing clown!!!
I don't think it's good to speculate on the motives of others when you have no way of knowing it. Dismissing someone as motivated by money is just another smear.
Great video. I’ve never been a fan of Pat, so I don’t find any of this terribly surprising. What is surprising is how many in the “retro community” are so abrasive, difficult or otherwise. It’s a relatively niche scene, yet people still find ways to take advantage.
@@JCM217 The TH-cam gaming community, at least the larger TH-camrs seems particularly dickish and underhanded, which surprised me, but I guess I always romanticized people who played games as somehow different but with gaming now incredibly mainstream, that's not really true. But yeah, with the "retro" community being more niche you would expect more of a sense of community, but there are always going to be bad actors in any community, unfortunately.
Though I appreciate pat for exposing the amico. This just goes to show you that you better not be afraid to have your skeletons exposed when it's your time.
@@Jenovi Every single story, every single run in at cons, outside of cons amongst fellow TH-camrs...they've all been negative. Unless you're praising Pat or giving him money, he appears extremely disinterested in anything you have to say.
@@MisterSplendy I made the what? If you mean I am interested in what the Amico could mean for the future of retail if they work it out while pointing out Pat being a hypocrite then state that instead. 😉
He's one of those guys who likes to brush off criticism as those hating on him. I doubt anyone liked his content to begin with. I mean, when was the last time someone talked about one of reviews?
Lol so what? Nothing Pat has done was even that bad, every influencer is guilty of these things. Also the geek getaway is a joke, that is why they don’t acknowledge him.
I'm very sadden by this video, I don't like Pat don't enjoy his podcast and even think they are beating a dead horse at this point with the Amico hence why I'm not subscribed to his channel, but this video seems to be just a bunch of guilt by association, vague accusations with no merit and small stuff to try and make a mountain out of a mole hill. You said that they are not liked by the rest of the retro community, and while that maybe true, if we go by the points mentioned in this video the case for it is rather weak. I have to imagine this video came from a place of personal hatred for him while trying to gather a bunch of small accusations into a character assassination video, sad from a channel that never resorted to petty stuff like this in the past.
I agree. His constant angsty whining was hard to grind trough most of the time (I suffer from many of the same things, and he was unbearable to me even.) Luckily, much of that stopped after he got a girlfriend, but I always wonder " what kind of person would find him endearing?" Likely someone he can keep.
28:36 "Definitely", not "Defiantly". "Defiantly" is to disobey or to be defiant to something. "Definitely" is to describe something that is true beyond a shadow of a doubt. Sorry, but after the talk about incorrect grammar and all that, this just feels so much jarring.
I thought this dude was just in two AVGN videos like Mike Matei or Bootsy. I honestly didn't know he had his own content till now. And I wish I still didn't know.
Before I even watch this video I need to confirm one thing.... I love each and all of you, don't even care about the drama. I just want good content and you ALL provide in spades, lol.
these guys reeeeally ruined sticking around in retro game fan communities years ago. thank you for calling them out, this needs to be said again and again and retro games need to be preserved and documented to be enjoyed as legit artwork and not in some hoarder's collection.
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Ultimate Nintendo? N64 Review Guide done via software emulation. For those asking, here's clarification from Pat himself. drive.google.com/file/d/15-dSUY9N8sbhySvYkJ5G6DfDsdkG6rVY/view
For someone with so many resources at his disposal, as Pat has, it's shameful to be using software emulation to write an "ultimate" guide for the N64.
The N64 emulators are still a far cry from the real hardware in terms of timing and speed accuracy AFAIK; so it's pretty bad that anyone is creating so-called "ultimate" N64 reviews based on such inaccurate and hacky emulators.
Also, no clear statement on which emulators and settings were used. God knows if some games were played using HD texture packs, widescreen hacks, and whatnot. No way to determine the input lag either.
People who try to sugarcoat shit like that should be ashamed.
Thanks for exposing this freakin' mess of a "guide".
@@abaroners Both me and Jenovi have been aware of this issue since Pat announced his book. I only wished TH-camrs had talked about this sooner.
@@abaroners honestly n64 emulation is not really a "far cry" from original hardware anymore, the only game consoles now that are not emulated properly is the sega saturn and original Xbox. I mean ps3 is being emulated with amazing results, and even the atari jaguar finally got an amazing emulator recently
@@lstairvideos1330 N64 emulation is still way off being perfect.
@@pferreira1983
Maybe it's good enough, while not perfect.
I am a fan of pats content. That being said he has terribly thin skin. He has a huge ego and huge opinion. When he's wrong he doubles down and burns bridges left and right. I had to stop listening to their podcast for a year because the negativity became too much. Just my irrelevant opinion on the matter.
That's precisely why I'm not a fan of him. He seems to think he's a demi-god because he owns a lot of NES games.
@@yellowblanka6058 There's nothing wrong with being opinionated. I'm that way as well but when you run a podcast it's best not to offend your audience and virtue signal what everyone should like.
He got worse when hippie Ian joined.
@@murphyebass7837 I wouldn't say that. Ian joined just a few years after Pat started doing his videos.
@@pferreira1983 no he didn’t. Contri was around for years before he met Ian. He was part of retroware etc.
I remember when youtubers actually talked about games and not each other. Bunch of 13 year old drama queen girls on here.
Not everyone knows how to deep dive so videos like this help to widen the audience before they spend money on someone they may not know the full story of. Stop complaining and dont watch if you dont like it. No one is forcing you to be here
Right
@@iamdillyj enjoy your drama queens.
@@iamdillyj Wild take over someone just saying that the community is toxic but ok dude.
Its a video game book buy it or dont lol
So I take it that Pat and yourself will not be Amicos anytime soon?
In ANY case there will never be AMICOS in this world anymore. 🤣
😂
So what's the deal? Is this Jenovi guy just a butt hurt Amico shill trying to smear Pat or what?
Lol, pats a good dude, he gets alot hate from other youtubers, I hate all this shade, all you old dudes should just get along, I thought with age comes wisdom
Amicos are only for Tommy’s closet.
I kick-started the Cheetahmen II game, never received my order from Greg. He said he ran out of copies yet at conventions and on eBay he was selling copies on the side for way more than the 60 dollar price. I had to get my refund from my CC company. I called Greg out on Nintendoage along the youtubers in his video to spotlight that a batch of kickstarters didn't get their copy. Most of the members didn't believe us and blindly followed Greg, just like people on Atari Age blindly followed Tommy even after things looked shady. Glad attention was brought to this.
Almost talked about this. I saw a ton of examples on this very issue.
Oh man, I got mine
@@hicknopunk
Is the game any good? ... ... ... 😁
*eats popcorn* So they didn't even own the rights to Cheetahmen? ooooh that sounds ilegal
St1ker my guy....
@@orderofmagnitude-TPATP oh hey!
A necessity..... of gracious living.
@@jettesides420 but...hello yooooo
@@orderofmagnitude-TPATP "Hey guys, it's Metal Jesus and I'm back again"
We all know the best NES history books (which by the way include original screenshots from original hardware) all end in "Works" and are written by Jeremy Parish.
Low key the best retro gaming content creator.
He’s a real journalist/writer too. He doesn’t have to self proclaim his status. His work speaks for itself. He’s also very approachable and is very amicable to his fans.
Hard relate
His videos are an absolute masterclass in how cover retro video games with professional journalism.
Jeremy's vids are like drugs for my retro gamer brain, they're so good. Plus his chill AF voice just adds to that state of fun bliss.
Especially knowing he's essentially an underappreciated professional at his field and is capable of rectifying personal mistakes. Like his initial negativity towards Hokuto no Ken, which, in his Master System Segaiden video featuring its game based on the anime, he showed better understanding and a more positive look towards the game and the franchise
Pat is a funny guy. Not gonna lie he and Ian make good points every now and then but he has a gaming podcast and doesn’t play games. Can dish out criticism but can’t take it and likes to prop himself up by putting others down. most importantly he just comes across very unlikable.
All true
I heard he was smoking weed on the job and a mother with her child was visiting the game store and complained about it and he had a meltdown and started screaming like a lunatic apparently.
Watching their podcast is like seeing a very slow car crash happen.
@@John-nb6ep yeah, if you heard this, than it’s probably BS by someone who doesn’t like them either 😂😂 the guy worked at the store (I’m presuming you talking about Ian) for many years, and he quit on his own and now has a job outside retail. He probably was competent enough at his job.
Just stick to the takes he has online you don’t agree with, not what some guy said he heard from another guy who works with a guy who’s neighbour went to a video game store and got served by stoner that went ape shit. For starters stoners don’t go ape shit, they chill. He could be drunk, high on meth/cocain or acid. That makes you go crazy. But not weed. Unless he ate them, but then you tripping not just casually high.
@@sloppynyuszi It came from his own mouth. And yes addicts are "chill" until you deprive them of their "drugs" and they're suddenly not so chill anymore. Clearly it must be a personal thing for you as your habits seem to coincide with his by the sounds of it.
I’m only going to say one thing but the mention/comparison to Jimmy Saville at the end is totally uncalled for. Pat may be an asshole but Jimmy Saville committed a long range of disgusting offences over a very long time in this country and is one of the most monstrous people that this country is ashamed of. You’ve stooped lower than any comments Pat and Ian made over games. I appreciate what you were trying to say that people aren’t always who they appear to be but he was the wrong example to use.
It wasn’t intended as a direct comparison. Maybe a tv pastor would have been a better fit in hindsight. Thanks for bringing it to my consideration.
@@Jenovi it’s cool, was just a bit out of left field for me right at the end 😅
@@Jenovi
As I said, great video! However, apart from what @Phillip Bailey pointed out, there are a couple other questions/concerns I might have about it. Chief among those:
*1) Proposing The Geek Getaway as some sort of real version of the authentic voice that Pat merely purports to be.*
*2) Collaborating with SmashJT.*
*3) Having a strong stance against the use of emulation for N64 game reviews.*
1) In his [admittedly] brilliant _Amico Christmas_ video, Pat blasted the "shills," including Tony ( @The Geek Getaway ), for endorsing investment in the brand. Moreover, that segment follows a clip of Tony denying ever doing that with a flashback to him most *definitely* and gushingly doing that. Regardless of Tony's sincere confidence in the project at the time, you can't deny that he failed his followers. This, of course, is completely separate from the issue of him being denied his due credit, but given what I just brought up, do you still see him as that figure the community needs?
2) While I certainly command Jeff for coming to his senses when overwhelmed with facts, his prior ill-thought-out and vicious attacks on the skeptics were totally uncalled for. Also, unless I'm missing context, accusing Ian of fraud for crowdfunding a medical bill is indefensible and perhaps even irredeemable. Could these concerns about the quality of Jeff's character be alleviated?
3) One might argue that there could be more to a *truly* authentic gaming experience besides a proper controller and accurate emulation. Would your stance against emulators for review plays also extend to other systems, like arcade machines? Suppose I'm reviewing some brutal early 90s bullet curtain coin muncher for a similarly marketed book; should I bring a bucket of quarters to my local arcade to ensure a "genuine" gameplay experience?
Anyway, love this video and would love to hear your thoughts on this (and @Phillip Bailey's thoughts).
@@Jenovi How was not intended as a direct comparison exactly? So bizarre, over the top and out of order it was almost surreal.
Actually Ian has said some pretty nasty stuff that puts him in Saville territory.
During the height of the Amico crap. I suggested he interview Tommy Tallarico. I thought a hard interview would put a stake in the Amico and he replied rudely name calling. Kinda rubbed me wrong way, but not enough to reply in kind. I thought maybe he was having a bad day. But it seemed over time to be his personality.
Pat always has a bad day
If you watch Top Loaded Gaming's interview he asked some hard questions to Tommy and then did a follow-up video to take apart more of his points about the Amico.
I asked Pat to try the console so if he hated it then at least he could spend the next five years or so criticising it with first hand experience. He blocked me on Twitter. 🤷♂
@@pferreira1983 To be fair, it ended up not existing, so we all would have had a long wait.
@@SirPumpkinSlice Of course the console exists at least as a demo unit. Other TH-camrs had tried it like MJR. I wasn't really asking the world of Pat. 😆
This is why I don't get into these kinds of things online personalities pursue or promote. All kinds of shady stuff going on.. F that!!
I just discovered this channel for it's many 32x game videos. Why did you stop posting?
Jenovi is like the Indiana Jones of video games. Bringing the hidden treasures to the masses.
Mmmmmmm hidden treasures.
@@Jenovi ugh seriously fuck ReviewTechUSA, that guy is a nazi piece of human garbage, can't take anything he says seriously. If nothing else at least Pat isn't a bigot like that pathetic alt-reich loser.
@@Jenovi they belong in a video game museum!
@@JenoviI'm a bit confused by the court case at the start. You say that "Keller was embezzling money" (and the first court document screenshot you show seems to confirm this. Then you say that "Pabich was committing fraud".... But how can that be if Keller was the one stealing money?
Sorry if I missed something. Were they both stealing? Was there a counter suit? 😅
Portraying Mike Matei as the Loco Bandito absolutely slayed me 💀
We can never let Mike forget what a piece of doo-doo he is. 😅
@@AB0BA_69Mike is absolutely hilarious
@@commentresurrection1841 If you find crass racism hilarious then I dunno if anyone can help you.
@@AB0BA_69 You don't have to be a racist to find something funny
@@retrogamer8085just say with your whole chest you think it's your state sanctioned right to call people slurs already
I was interested in the N64 book, until I realized it was done via emulation. I just can't get behind that.
Hell yeah! That's awesome.
It's not often you get to watch a hitman get assassinated
Phoenix.. as in, you live in the Valley? Oh, and thanks for watching. 🤠
No clue what you mean. And gotta go early sorry couldn’t watch past a few minutes.
@@piratepop7115 my mans over here having a whole ass conversation with himself
Yeah, this has been a long time coming. The guy is a creep. And the irony is that Brett Weiss had the best reviews in the book. Pat's were abysmal, and I was sad I spent money on it. Embarrassing.
Best comment
Pat's review for Mach Rider 'My sisters boyfriend at the time treated me mean, so that's probably why I don't like it very much'.
TF? I just paid $60 for this?
This comment is hilarious 😂
awesome job covering the cheetahmen stuff!
😅
I get so tired of people being so sensitive. I watched speedy Gonzales all my childhood and it was very racist and stereotypical. I dont remember people crying about that.
I don't care what anyone says, Mike is a really funny guy and still enjoy his content.
I know gamester81 forgave them but I did and still think them trying to throw him under the bus for views was a really scummy thing to do.
Gamester is amazing and Pat did him dirty. It was disgraceful.
@@Jenovi not to mention him and everyone at collector vision games actually made things they can be proud of. the sidney hunter games are fun.
Agreed 100%.
He seems like a really nice guy (gamester81 that is), probably a little too nice/trusting for his own good.
@@yellowblanka6058 indeed. he seems like a really cool dude with only good intentions.
I stopped watching Pat the nes punk years ago, but sure, he was fun to watch.
I was a bit surprised to find this video, only because I expect most adults to kind of.... lose interest in video games (marriage, have kids, buy a house).
There is only so much you can do in the world of making you tube videos about video games and its even more saturated then it was say 10 years ago. You eventually hit a dead end and cannot move forward. I think James Rolf / AVGN had the right idea and made a feature length movie. If a person cannot expand beyond making videos about the same hobby, you start to feel stuck.
Is it surprising that Pat the nes punk, eventually got desperate? I think he needs to look into a 2nd career.
Paging Larry Bundy Jr.
Get in here bro 😂
That guy is in every comments section known to mankind 😂
Pat was selling nes-book at conventions before backers got theirs? What an a&%hole thing to do.
Agreed
This is a not accurate. But mmmokay.
Pat plagerised a lot of his stuff. Just grabbed stuff from Wikipedia from what I understand..
proof?
Excellent video dude and shines a light on a big issue of larger “influencers” (I hate that term) outright stealing from people who do the work; like Hbomberguy completely ripping off Goose’s work. Also liked you did mention our distain if you will for Brett Weiss, and our favorite “buh my booowhk” catch-phrase, and he is who he is on camera 100%. As far as Pat goes I always saw him as arrogant. I remember seeing him on James and Mike mondays and he was talking down to them, like he was better than them. And there’s a clip of James doing a panel, and Pat was in the audience, raised his hand to ask a question, then gets up and invites himself to go on stage to sit next to James. The look on James’ face was awkward and annoyed, and Pat then steals the panel.
???
Hbomberguy didn't steal Goose's work, Goose isn't a punching bag and would immediately retaliate if that is the case.
Hbomberguy provides an incredibly lengthy source document that sources every single one of his Tommy related claims. He didn't rip off Goose, like Goose he researched Tommy and they were mining the same vein of content.
38:55 Oh the self-contained hypocrisy and irony of calling the Diablo fans _rude_ while telling those _babies_ who need to _grow up_ to _sit down and shut the [F] up._
Pat and Ian being right about the Amico was the worst thing to happen. It made two, pompous egomaniacs feel right about everything they’ve ever said.
Came here looking for this comment! Stop watching shortly after that, because I could almost smell the righteous indignation bursting out of their pores through the screen.
The thing is, they are most of the time 100% right. No matter how you feel about them, they have done a lot of public good. The issue, again, is their glaring *H Y P O C R I C Y.*
Not only do they fail to hold themselves to the same standards, but are also quick to block and/or attack those that do.
The thing is they've been wrong about not just Amico stuff but non-Amico stuff many times so they aren't really right about anything. 😆
I don't like Pat, which is why I took the time to watch this video. It felt to me like you were really stretching in some of the material included here, particularly the expose of the shocking fact that a TH-camr had Blue Apron ads and the just absolute garbage move of comparing him to a mispronounced Jimmy Saville. Come on.
Yeah this guy isn’t doing any real work here. He just doing a slash and burn piece
Dude Pat looks registered in the thumbnail.
@@salvagemonster3612ha ha😢
Man, the retro TH-cam community sure loves it's drama. Meanwhile, I could completely do without it.
No drama, just correcting the record with a PSA.
@@Jenovi This wasn't specifically targeted at you, Jenovi. I like your stuff, but man I just got finished watching Beef on Netflix and honestly the two main characters just reminded retro TH-cam community. So much shit slinging. I even made the comment on Pat's video yesterday saying maybe he should go piss all over Larry's bathroom and I was just making a Beef reference. Stuff has gotten out of hand and it's not very entertaining.
At least you weren't petty and just try to lay out facts, but it's still throwing gasoline on the entire situation. Oh well.
@@Jenovi This isn't a psa, just a load of bullshit.
I agree Joseph, why all the hate? Would be nice for these retro guys to stop all this pettiness
I made a similar comment, where I’m hoping Jenovi stays away from this drama, and digs up more obscure stuff that makes old haldware look less like failures.
If there are 20+ writers why is it a book by Pat Contri? I have had a book published with four other people and we’re all on the cover.
The main body of text is pat, the reviews - which are clearly marked - are individually credited. This isn't uncommon with guide books like this - Leonard Maltins film guide books have "by Leonard Maltin" on the cover but over 30 individuals provide reviews. It's not shady. Or the Sight and Sound Film guide - credited to Mark Cousins but inside you'll find reviews individually credited from about 50 individuals. It's just the format. Nothing shady.
Someday I hope we can have at least a single day of peace in the retro game community
Don't get it twisted. There is peace lol.
Unfortunately, we have bad actors in the community and always will.
It's like Jerry Springer up in this piece. 🤦🏻♂️
All communities have some bad people here and there... no matter what community it is.
If anything the paranormal community compared to the retro game community is a complete sewer!
It's never gonna happen
I never bought the Ultimate books, but that is honestly shocking that someone would A) send that quality of product to backers and B) shaft the backers to sell at conventions. That suuuuuuuuuuucks.
Yeah, generally I like Pat, but releasing such an unfinished product and selling them at conventions before sending to backers is really disappointing.
The fact he had to update the reprint all the time and it’s not sold as editions is both scammy and stupid. If he released updates several times, changed the cover and some small internal design bits and just named them revisions, he would have made more money, and look less scammy.
Now it just seems first print buyers have an inferior product and buying something that seems exactly the same with mistakes fixed seems like a rip off. A new cover and an aknowledgment would have gone a long way.
Completely off topic discussion, but I need to ask: when we will have a new video from you?? :)
@@pedrocorbelle Soon
@@sloppynyuszi Considering how petty Pat is I wouldn't put it past him that the reprint wasn't because of quality.
I've never followed Pat too closely, but I've never been a fan - something about his attitude just rubs me the wrong way. The gaming channels I enjoy on TH-cam are all extremely positive - shoutouts to Riff & co., Metal Jesus & his crew, etc.
Also, I noticed from the few podcast videos I watched that he seems to have this weird regular jaw movement/tic, I wonder if he's on something.
Thank you for this video, we all need to be held accountable for our actions, especially so when success or a position of authority in a particular domain.
I value your work to have put this much effort bringing out more details for us in order to have the better picture on this whole story.
Just watched this video with Review Tech USA and I almost spit out my drink when you compared him to Jimmy Saville lmao. Isn't that a bit much? You might as well compare him to Hitler
Yes, maybe a bad choice in hindsight. It was based on the charity connection, not the other end. Should have used a tv pastor instead.
Why would he care about how hard it is to get pictures from an N64 when all the screenshots in his other books were taken from a website lol?
Love your Dreamcast, 32X, and SEGA stuff man. Keep up the excellent work.
More gaming stuff to come.
The only time I’ve heard of Pat is he tried to start a feud with a retro computer channel I watch because the guy made a video about making replacement labels for his own game. From what I’ve seen, Pat’s a instigator who will start feuds to continue his own relevance.
As for emulation, for NES and SNES it can be fine as long as you disclose it since these systems have mature emulation. N64 emulation has come a long way, but with the unique controllers and remaining issues it absolutely shouldn’t be used.
Thanks for the comment.
Is there a video on that? Can you send me the link?
@@samv.3217 it was just Pat saying something about the 8 Bit Guy making replacement labels for 8 Bit’s own collection. Minor thing, but it felt like Pat trying to conform other people’s collections to his standards.
8 Bit labeled the replacement labels in his other video about the topic, which is a fair compromise between the two positions.
Pat Contri has always been the epitome of cringe to me. He is an annoying, narcissistic, man-child, but most annoying of all, he isn't funny in the slightest, but is constantly cracking jokes. Nothing in the world is more annoying to me than someone who isn't funny trying to be funny. I used to occasionally listen to the CU podcast because I found Ian's stories about the game store he worked in really entertaining, but their uninformed political takes were unbearable to listen to (even when I agreed with them on the issue).
It cracks me up every time Smash’s voice comes on as Pat.
🙃
That must have been cathartic for him.
Nice profile picture. Is that the NECA Dog Alien?
That was one of my top favorite aspects of this video outside of its thoroughly stated points 😆.
@@DazAlienGeek it is the alien from 3, but I don’t know if it’s a toy or a promo image of the costume
Genuinely feeling like I've stumbled upon a community of grown men doing he-said-she-said in their 40's. This video was about 40mins longer than it needed to be and it made me a little sad to think TH-cam and retro gaming went from being a place of content discovery and retro celebration to this sort of content. What's worse is people waiting for a "response from Pat", and so on and so forth. This stuff just ruins any semblance of "community", and I just wanted to ask all of you big content creators of retro to go back to what we all originally signed up for. This sure isn't it. More gaming and less naming please. We're all grown ups at this point. This is all cringey content, from any "side", that won't age nearly as well as our retro games have! More love, less hate please! ❤ Act like the community leaders you have all worked so hard to be!
Bigbluefrontend is right, they’re all just shills looking for ad revenue, patreon cash and something to shill. 99.9% of anything “retro gaming” has 0 game playing. Do these people even play games?
The only sane comment by far
There's a level of desperation and cynicism leaking into a lot of TH-cam channels recently. Way too much over dramatizing over "scandals" that involve little to no proven wrongdoing, or just too much focus on attacking and "exposing" people like James Rolfe who has scarcely done anything unethical as far as I know.
Do you really think any of those individuals are "community leaders"? And the guy who made the video is the childish one, according to you? Don't worry, I'm sure you'll still be invited to Pat's slumber party, Mr. Adult.
@@redacted2275 I think you've just validated my point.
I’m sure Rich from Review Tech USA will cover this!
Skeebadoobop
I’d be shocked if this found traction outside the community. Doubt he sees it.
@@JenoviRich plays a bunch of your videos on his live streams in the past and Rich doesn’t like Pat.
Interesting
@@JenoviRich is playing your video right now on RTU Streams channel. Keep up the great work man!!
Awesome video! Pat has always been this weird guy with a lot of obvious issues. I’m glad someone finally had the balls to call him out on his bullshit. Keep up the solid work!!!
Absolutely. Guy has a chip on his shoulder.
Thank you, thank you very much.
Whats the deal in a nutshell? Used to follow him years ago, yet seemed greedy at that time
@@orkoto6057 Pat holds grudges, can't handle criticism, forgets or ignores important facts, stuff like that.
@@orkoto6057 He's a man-child who I think might have a substance abuse problem from some of his jaw movements etc.
This is so validating to watch, I have never ever liked Pat Contri and always refused to watch him, even when there was minimal retro content years ago. Always trust your gut feeling about someone.
Pat's initial run of game-focused videos were fine, and fun at the time. The literal second he got behind a microphone for a living (podcast) - I realized he was a piece of garbage and unsubbed. I honestly hadn't heard about him much until this video popped up suggested in the sidebar after a different retro video.
His content was always terrible in my opinion. Honestly, people were better off watching the other shows he promoted like Game Chasers, Pixel Dan, and Gaming Historian. At least they don't treat their viewers like shit.
Very true. There was always something disingenuous about Pat.
I stopped liking Pat after that Diablo Immortal video.
I'm not even a Diablo fan(it's OK, I never got a chance to enjoy it at its prime) but I found it so insulting that the devs had the audacity to tell thier fan base "don't you have phones??"
Stuff like that used to get employees canned.
But Pat really went full Brainy smurf going "You guys are acting like babies" and jumped on Blizzards lap on that issue
Funny enough I sort of agreed with Pat on that. But also sort of not because announcing it as their big reveal at Blizzcon was also really stupid on blizzard’s part. So the people that paid to attend that event had a right to be pissed at least, as that type of game is more of the kind you just shadow drop a trailer on TH-cam for.
The irony is seeing them follow up on the game as it became a train wreck. 😂
@@TheLastLineLive The Diablo fanbase had an overreaction and that's just what those two were harping about. The problems with them started because many assumed this automatically makes them Acti-Blizz boot lickers, which is a false dichotomy here. Ian even says he doesn't like pay2win stuff nor mobile games.
I met Pat and Ian at a con here in AZ and Ian seemed more enjoyable and this was just after a big stocmach issue of his. Not long after, the Diablo "incident" happened and i could not stand their response to fans being passionate about a franchise they've loved since possibly the 90's. Blizzard had to know their base was going to be upset at the announcement of a mobile game. And in hindsight, Blizzard could've easily just started by saying D4 is coming, but here's something while you wait.
Damn the editing for some of the pictures was ice cold and incredibly amusing for someone who used to follow all this nonsense. Well done. I still remember when the CU Podcast covered the "Dreamcast 2" and it was so incredibly bizarre. They directly compared a real company like Majesco with some random nobodies that were stealing Sega's IP and then later claimed they didn't. I always felt that they always wanted to be seen as "experts" but just had no common sense or practical knowledge base for the video game business.
Ha, thanks. So many bad takes. I transcribed all 350 episodes. My lord, some cringe is there.
@@Jenovi I think there was some stuff you missed as I brought it up.
I'm so happy to see someone on youtube giving Jeff whittenhagen credit . I met him many years ago when he was living in my area through collecting and the guy is just an awesome person that I'm happy to say I got to be friends with .
I guess he proved to be the true 'expert'. 😁
Pretty shocking... It never ceases to amaze me how people try to make money off old IP that they do not have license or rights too. This has happened too much with "prototypes" in the past. I first noticed it in the Atari Lynx community, then the NES community... People pay a load of cash for a proto / unreleased game then try to cash in by replicating and selling clones...
Always disappointing too.
I barely every cared about this guy, literally the only reason I even know he exists is because he was in an episode of AVGN, other than that I never cared about him, he was like Linkara to me, completely and utterly uninteresting.
I'm a Koopa but you're Jenovi
Correct
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The recent output from Pat seems only to be negative. To the point where a relatively ancient video (albeit reaffirming the Amoco scandal) of Tommy Tallarico was his biggest video posted this last month. I just miss the times when we all grouped together in the hobby.
Pat always wanted the Amico to be his next Coleco Chameleon in terms of views so that's why he's done Amico videos for the past five years.
I didn't unsubscribe and completely stop watching Pat until I watched the CU podcast with him & Ian taking a dump on the Diablo fans. Even before then, I was starting to leave nasty comments so it was time to forget about it.
Shame because I enjoyed the flea market videos and Frank a whole lot!
Awesome video! Pat and Ian are intolerable with their condescending and arrogant takes on the video game industry. The Diablo Mobile reaction is what removed any semblance of respect most people had for them.
Thank you for watching and the comment.
Did smash realize that you got him to voice Pat because he’s the slimiest worm you know or did he think it was a compliment?
He knew going in it was done for the lols. There’s quite a few items in the video like that. Some people have caught some of them.
Jeff needs attention.he was happy to do it. He's slimy as hell and can't help himself. His hard on for pat has always seemed petty. I don't love pat either. It's the case of two ppl not liking each other,and getting high and mighty in each other...when in reality, they're both the same kind of person. I've seen that slot through the years
Jenovi did I just watch 51 mins to end with give Tony tgd credit? 😂😂
GG Jenovi!
Ello U!
But he's a hateful conservative republican, the democrat anti Amico people said so.
I first realized that Pat was full of it when I would watch his flea market madness videos. He would try to shame people who he deemed as “resellers” when they were literally doing the same exact thing he was. Acquire “valuable” games for the Lowest cost. It doesn’t matter that he didn’t turn around and resell them. Maybe he sells them years later. No difference between the two but because the other guy wasn’t Pat then it was bad and predatory. If it was Pat doing it then it’s ok because he’s Pat and deserves it more simply because he is Pat.
The problem with flea market resellers was that they were purchasing entire lots of games, negotiating lower prices, then selling for ridiculous prices, killing the flea market experience for everyone
Pat and Ian have always come across as these types who talk shit about people from behind a video or keyboard, but would never talk shit about someone face to face.
They've had people come up to them to have a go at them for their opinions and they talked about these 'incidents' on the podcast. They end up playing victim as though they didn't expect this to happen. 😆
6:55 My buddy Andy, who later became a co-worker at Microsoft, made Super Russian Roulette.
The visuals he creates for older titles are wild. Look up his Sega CD stuff.
It takes a STUPID amount of time to create carts, particularly if you do it from your home (like he did)
I certainly will! The quality of the work is impeccable. I made a video on the game where I played against customers inside Pixel Vault Games in Ontario, CA. I recorded for a day on site around the same time it was released. Edited and finalized, but decided not to release the video. I was going to drop some of that footage in, but I can't find it anywhere. Very frustrating.
@@Jenovi This is the closest thing I could find. A video of him (Batsly Adams) using a Nomad to change the effects on screen: th-cam.com/video/kW3YR2_8tnc/w-d-xo.html
Worst case, I have a physical copy of the Sega CD work. I should rip it to my NAS, but I'd be happy to share once I do
One thing I will disagree with a little is as bad as Pat is, NintendoAge was even worse and he was justified in attacking them. They were the absolute biggest group of elitist scumbags of any realm of collecting. One prominent user would literally send private messages to people and threaten them if they tried to bid on games he wanted, which is what led to Tim Atwood (the guy who owns CASES of sealed Stadium Events) showing up and essentially devaluing their "investments" by introducing more copies into the market. Another guy would buy all the rare unreleased games and prototypes he could find and refuse to release the roms unless someone paid him like 30 grand per game. The people who were moderators at NintendoAge are the same people the started WATA, one of the biggest scams of all time...that alone should tell you everything you need to know.
I’m well aware. I even included a screen shot of a mod stating they treat him like crap.
I'm sure that Pat is happy he got his Stadium Events from his 'pal' Tim Atwood before he passed away. 🙄
@@pferreira1983 damn did Tim die? I didn't hear about that. He was a nice dude, he actually "sold" a couple sealed Stadium Events for $2 to people that just needed them for their collections
@@zachary_attackery Pat briefly glossed over it once to Ian. Always a 'pal' unless they aren't useful. 🙄
"An original controller was almost certainly not used. This is critical to the N64 platform..."
THANK YOU!! I'm so sick of hearing people complain about the controller. It's a really damn good controller, one of Nintendo's best despite the several flaws.
Playing N64 games with an Xbox controller absolutely sucks. There's no good way to map the C-buttons without it feeling awkward.
100% a off experience when not using a real one.
@@Jenovi I actually went through this fairly recently. I got sick of issues with N64 emulation. The button layout with a modern controller stinks, so I pulled out my old USB N64 no-name controller. Stick sucks, the variance of the analog range is COMPLETELY off, and no amount of adjustment could fix it. Useless piece of junk. I'd rather use an Xbox controller.
Bought one of the new Brawler64 NSO controllers. Very nice controller, but there's noticeable lag over Bluetooth. Not sure why. The stick is also nice, but feels different from the original N64 controller. I'm not sure, but I believe this one also has a different variance to its analog range (ie, pushing the stick x% doesn't result in the same x% of an original controller).
Broke down and bought a BlissBox to use with my original N64 controller. This is an awesome solution, and it's easy to set up! However, my stick is a bit worn out. Still usable, but not ideal, and I feel like the more I use it without breaking it open and addressing the issue, the worse it's going to get. Plus, it requires a cord which isn't ideal with my computer hooked up to the TV.
So I paid a premium for the NSO N64 controller. No perceptible lag over Bluetooth, feels like a real Nintendo controller, and it's brand new. I wish Nintendo would make more of these things, so that people could still buy them at MSRP!
@@rars0n The problem I tend to highlight is you can't do accurate reviews with N64 emulation because it's just not there yet. Pat has 5K to challenge someone he doesn't like to a bet but finds it too expensive and difficult to give flashcarts to his writers to review the games. 😆
The only thing I enjoy using less than an original N64 controller is another controller trying to map to the goofy thing
I had a cheap computer controller that worked great on my N64 controller. A friend of mine said the current pro controller doesn't work well with Ocarina Of Time.
Sadly it's true. They have a new CUPodcast after ending the series and the whole show is just trash advertisements.
I knew Contri was unlikable, so I guess it's no big surprise that he's dishonest, too. Guy's high on his own farts.
As co-founder of mobygames, I'm always frustrated hearing that screenshots were taken from mobygames and used without permission or credit. At minimum, it's disrespectful to everyone who contributed the screenshots.
Hi Jim, Mobygames gave me permission, and I gave the site credit in the books. 😁 Awesome site, BTW.
@@BrettWeissRetroGamer Awesome, thanks!
@@BrettWeissRetroGamer Brett, thank you for your time and service
@@BrettWeissRetroGamer You deserved more credit. Pat acted like he was the first person to make a book about the NES.
@@samv.3217 Thank you!
Let's be honest Mike's comics are so old, and he hasn't done anything like that since, there's zero reason to give him crap about it now. We have to stop acting like people need to be forever guilty for old humor. Pat is a garbage person though there's no disputing that.
Fully agree and essentially the point being made, but in reverse.
Pat's voice over is funny and ironic.
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Was that SmashJT? If not then it could be his twin brother talking lol!
I can honestly say, from person encounters with "Pat".. is a very arrogant and unpleasant person to do business with. I can't speak for other peopleI witnesses that don't like him for his Diva attitude. Great video with information people need to know.
I was always nice to pat in the comments. but he still blocked me .and i have no idea why. Probably because of a joke he didn't understand. or because i interacted with one of his haters.
the thing with the nes guide book was as soon as I saw what the pages looked like, it was obvious that it was put together by someone with zero knowledge of graphic design or typography, it looked like Pat thought he could save some bucks doing it himself and it shows, it might have a nice cover but the insides are trash
Mike Matei, best known for Loco Bandito and his 10 inch Loco Chorizo
He also has an incredible Inspector Gadget impression!
The latter part is highly suspect due to the optical trickery he utilized in that infamous photo.
Can you imagine trying to review an N64 game if you were playing on emulation and some random controller.
It's one of the few libraries where the games are designed around that one special controller.
The Dpad is almost always ignored and wildly underused vs other systems, and most importantly the analogue stick essentially had that 8 way gate carved into the plastic that many games absolutely rely on.
Super Mario 64 has noticeably worst controls without those exact gates as they are used to make mario walk/jump in straight lines.
I cut my ties with pat after how disappointing his first book was.
I've been buying Bit Map Books since the disappointment with pat.
Surprised he couldn't just source a n64. Its hardly the virtual boy.... wow
These guys would sell their own mothers if they thought it would allow them to be "full time youtubers" for another year.
Yes
So why would they then cut back the show to an every once in a while format? 🤦
@@joshua.snyder they need TH-cam for the exposure. Their largest audience is on this platform. They need to be on TH-cam to shill their other shit like books, shirts, appearances etc. But they probably don't make enough to make it worth while. I make $1.34 per thousand views, then TH-cam takes 40%. I don't know what their sponsorships bring in, but its fair to say if if was enough to make a living they would make videos everyday.
@@CMRetroGaming Again, if true then why greatly reduce your exposure?
I get the whole retro gaming podcast is circling the drain in a mudflinging snipefest, but this doesn't add up.
@@joshua.snyder They are staying relevant on the platform by doing half the work. They have 250K subs and get around 25K views in that first 72 hour-ish period. (Some videos do better of course, like Amico) I wonder if they are thinking that less is more. If they post less (reduce exposure) they will get more views because the episodes "feel more special" because you don't get one everyday. Although I'm not sure that this is a "thing" in the algorithm. I have gone long stretches without posting and my next video ends up doing a little better.
Probably noted by a bunch of others in the comments already but think you're missing a 't' in "A Final Though."
Just one DM. I'm sure I missed other small items. I swear, I there's a disconnect between my hands and my brain at times.
As someone who was backstabbed by hands down the worst guy in the retro gaming community (Kieren Hawken), it sucks to see that the American retro gaming scene has the same stuff as the British retro gaming scene. Full of scammers, grifters, and fly-by-night assholes. Great video Jenovi! It's good to see another video from you :D
Ironic as Kieren has been passing info to Pat recently to spread drama under his AtariRule sockpuppet.
@@retromags-ng3de Seriously, fuck that guy! I invested three years of my life building his facebook group and i was later kicked out after i figured out his bullshit during the Octavius Kitten debacle
He's definitely in the grifter camp. The "rules for thee, but not for me" mentality is something he practices often. He also has the narcissism to go with it.
Hold on, The Laird's Lair guy?. What did he do?
I would say what goes on with Pat and Ian is much worse since the American TH-camr gaming scene commands more power.
27:14 - It's not a matter of defending Pat, but for the sake of buttressing your own position, you NEED to provide FULL context for an audio podcast quote like this.
I stuck around and watched the whole video which is basically a hit piece on Pat. I wanted to give it a chance and I do think you make some decent points but overall I find this very unreasonable. You know, I guess it's fair to criticize the quality of Pat's book (I am happy with mine for what it's worth) or his attitude. But I think some of these criticisms are unfair, such as taking sponsors for a podcast, which is totally normal and not even close to unique to Pat. I also think if you want to get your point across without appearing biased it would be good to not have people dub over these selected and cut quotes from Pat with added emphasis of a whiny fake voice. That doesnt seem like a journalistic analysis. Lastly, the idea that using emulators to play NES games makes the reviews invalid is entirely ridiculous. This is not new technology and the minor differences between NES emulation on a PC and a real cartridge is meaningless in the context of a 1 page review of a game designed to give the reader a sense of the general experience, which is the purpose of a review and not some kind of technical deep dive. Anyway, these are just a few of my thoughts after watching. I've enjoyed some of your other videos and think you can do better.
Critiquing the book quality is really only valid if we take Pat at his word. That being he knowingly shipped a bad product to meet a deadline. If that's true, it's a massive issue no matter how I feel. If that's not the case, then it's not about the book but Pat's actions related other writers. I gave my position on the book in this video at the time of its release, I didn't view it via a critical lens and critiquing it was not my goal here. Everything else shared was just filling in all the arguments. The pros and cons were not my arguments, but others who also purchased the book. The emulation segment was not in regard to the NES, but the N64. Pat owned a full NES set, I wasn't overly concerned about him and the NES. Also, everything was Pat's own voice unless it was written. then it was voices as needed. Many thanks for the comment and for watching.
I've always seen that he is a narcissist with a ridiculous ego. Pretty incredible how hypocritical he can be, honestly. Rules for thee but not for me has been something Pat's always been doing, they call others out all the time, but they hate anyone calling them out.
Brett may be a car salesman type, but he’s at least an honest one. Pat is definitely very dishonest and a notable ConMan.
Yes, Brett is a very nice person regardless of him selling his books. Pat is a mean person with no friends for a reason.
Car sales man vs used car sales man from that lot which finances at 28% with GPS tracker.
this is the most comprehensive and reasonable video i've ever seen anyone make on pat. also kudos to you for making this. a lot of people may disregard this stuff as "personal drama" but honestly - and there's plenty of data to back this up - narcissistic, abusive, and even outright sociopathic behavior are absolute epidemics in this country and a lot of people are just programmed to dismiss these things in people when they're a "celebrity" or a "content creator" or whatever. and google / youtube / social media algorithms straight up elevate people like this to boot. i feel like, for all these reasons, it's super important - and refreshing - when people make level headed exposés like this one you've made about pat. people need to get more educated about folks who exhibit these sort of pathologies and stop enabling it. pat and ian both need therapy they're clearly not getting, and people who act like them need to stop getting passes in society, whether it's in the gaming community or otherwise. it actually does matter if you're an asshole or not. how we treat each other as humans matters, and it's not just petty drama to point out when someone acts how pat does towards this many people. again, thanks for making this.
Clipping the podcast for instances of their behaviour is pretty easy as well as instances of them saying things that don't make any sense.
@@pferreira1983 this certainly seems true. it's why i basically stopped watching them years ago now.
@@adesignersperspective I mean I don't want to clip them but no TH-camr is making an effort. Everyone seems happy to give them a free pass for some reason. 🤷♂
Oh snap. This should be interesting. Pat has had his moments of wtf, that made me scratch my head.
Yeah…
My problem with him goes back to 2015 when he called me poor
Don't try to flex cause you spent $200 on a nes game...that's just lame. Spend your money on whatever you want, but don't act like YOUR bad spending habits make you better than me God I hate that guy
@@greenkoopa wow... douche like behavior. As a public figure you really should avoid doing douche like things.
@@greenkoopa Sounds like me, as I use to be a fan of Pat, going as far as helping to promote his charity streams on social, giving what I could afford at the time(time, and money wise)working 2 jobs to make end meet, and even bought a digital copy of his NES book, but I had what I considered a different but respectful opinion on social one time on a game, but the childish way he responded back really turned me off, and I've not followed him for several years now, so I'm glad he's getting called out here, and being shown for what he is, and that's an F'ing clown!!!
@@CommodoreFan64 Parasocial relationships are definitely a real thing. I've almost been there before, defending someone who didn't deserve it.
I don't think it's good to speculate on the motives of others when you have no way of knowing it. Dismissing someone as motivated by money is just another smear.
Who needs to speculate when we had hard facts?
Congrats on your recent Twitter infamy ;)
Looking good dude, I look forward to watching this.
That was a good time. 🤠
Great video. I’ve never been a fan of Pat, so I don’t find any of this terribly surprising. What is surprising is how many in the “retro community” are so abrasive, difficult or otherwise. It’s a relatively niche scene, yet people still find ways to take advantage.
@@JCM217 The TH-cam gaming community, at least the larger TH-camrs seems particularly dickish and underhanded, which surprised me, but I guess I always romanticized people who played games as somehow different but with gaming now incredibly mainstream, that's not really true. But yeah, with the "retro" community being more niche you would expect more of a sense of community, but there are always going to be bad actors in any community, unfortunately.
39:22 “pay to win, in-game gambling structure that targeted children” I don’t think this is really relevant, as Diablo Immortal is 17+
Pat: attempts to have Guru Larry cancelled for slandering him years ago
Also Pat: does exactly what Larry did to him to someone else
What?
I don't find Pat likable, but I don't think he was trying to "cancel"him and was simply replying to him.
New Jenovi video?! I’m here for this
Though I appreciate pat for exposing the amico. This just goes to show you that you better not be afraid to have your skeletons exposed when it's your time.
Certainly done a ton of good too.
Ohhhh the stories I could tell you about dealing with Pat....
Nothing positive, I’m sure.
@@Jenovi Every single story, every single run in at cons, outside of cons amongst fellow TH-camrs...they've all been negative. Unless you're praising Pat or giving him money, he appears extremely disinterested in anything you have to say.
@@Dongled I'm sure there's more I don't know about.
@@pferreira1983 you're the guy who made the amicoo young boy club,,,,,
@@MisterSplendy I made the what? If you mean I am interested in what the Amico could mean for the future of retail if they work it out while pointing out Pat being a hypocrite then state that instead. 😉
What pisses me off most about Pat is that he somehow thinks that people dislike him for invalid reasons.
True
He's one of those guys who likes to brush off criticism as those hating on him. I doubt anyone liked his content to begin with. I mean, when was the last time someone talked about one of reviews?
Nice Paradise Killer vinyl.
Impeccable taste. ❤️
Pam rules!
Fantastic creator and very trustworthy game reviewer. Nothing but 👏 from me.
Lol so what? Nothing Pat has done was even that bad, every influencer is guilty of these things. Also the geek getaway is a joke, that is why they don’t acknowledge him.
I'm very sadden by this video, I don't like Pat don't enjoy his podcast and even think they are beating a dead horse at this point with the Amico hence why I'm not subscribed to his channel, but this video seems to be just a bunch of guilt by association, vague accusations with no merit and small stuff to try and make a mountain out of a mole hill. You said that they are not liked by the rest of the retro community, and while that maybe true, if we go by the points mentioned in this video the case for it is rather weak.
I have to imagine this video came from a place of personal hatred for him while trying to gather a bunch of small accusations into a character assassination video, sad from a channel that never resorted to petty stuff like this in the past.
Ian is unbearable.
no way he has friends
He's very rude online.
He seems like he would constantly smell like weed and ass. Both of them are so far up their own ass they could give themselves a colonoscopy.
I agree. His constant angsty whining was hard to grind trough most of the time (I suffer from many of the same things, and he was unbearable to me even.) Luckily, much of that stopped after he got a girlfriend, but I always wonder " what kind of person would find him endearing?" Likely someone he can keep.
@@ObscureStash2 I think Pat and Ian have both generally got angrier in recent years, in some instances dismissive towards their fans.
Do Pat and Ian actually play any new games? I know they talk about them but don't really seem super into the modern gaming industry.
I knew Pat I didn't like Pat for some reason, but I just couldn't put my finger on it. Ian has always bugged me too.
28:36 "Definitely", not "Defiantly".
"Defiantly" is to disobey or to be defiant to something. "Definitely" is to describe something that is true beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Sorry, but after the talk about incorrect grammar and all that, this just feels so much jarring.
Yes, yes it does.
as someone who doesnt really care for pat other then the coverage on amico, i dont get what this video is about and its confusing to me and strange.
I thought this dude was just in two AVGN videos like Mike Matei or Bootsy. I honestly didn't know he had his own content till now. And I wish I still didn't know.
Before I even watch this video I need to confirm one thing.... I love each and all of you, don't even care about the drama. I just want good content and you ALL provide in spades, lol.
Likewise, but how much bitter can you take with the sweet?
Ian is always siding with large multinational corporations over the average Joe.
these guys reeeeally ruined sticking around in retro game fan communities years ago. thank you for calling them out, this needs to be said again and again and retro games need to be preserved and documented to be enjoyed as legit artwork and not in some hoarder's collection.