I'd love to see the 2 W Tested for the same. I want to put together a AP NAS to keep with my phone, because it's too much effort to put micro SD cards in phones now. Was thinking about using ArozOS though...
Very cool. I'd like to see USB4, NVME slot, and 2.5 gigE - plus heat sinks and an enclosure, but for the price, this is unbeatable. It does everything my old Raspberry Pi 3 B+ chokes on - especially HEVC. If they can get better OS support (I hear updates can break some packages), they'll go to the top of my list for home theater streaming systems and multimedia NAS for friends 'n fam. I might get one to tinker with 'til then.
this is my first time hearing about USB4. USB5 when? Jokes aside a computer board with NVME slot and gigabit ethernet + low energy usage + low price would be my dream actually.
@@Solista-z4z Nice find! For that price range, I'd likely just get a miniPC from beelink on sale at Amazon or some such, though. As for USB4, just future compatibility. I've recently swapped out most of my USB cabling for USB C style ends with just small adapters for things that need them, and I have a few USB 3.2 and 4.0 devices that I'd like to use at their full speed. I'd prefer manufacturers just eat the cost and put all USB C / USB 4.0 ports as standard so I don't have a mix and match of cables 'n standards, but I know that won't happen for a while yet... and even USB 4 is a mess with a slew of "standards" within the standard. lol.
In the video I stated I'm running jellyfin in a docker container. Which means pihole and tailscale should work as well. However I don't know if the 1GB of ram for my board will be limiting in that case.
It's interesting that you are not being required to decode. I have had problems with browsers and with some of the smaller roku tvs. The jellyfin app does not transcode with the chip on them. Even 1080p drags an opi zero 3 to it''s knees in seconds, and that chip is supposed to native decode 264 and 265. I wasn't running docker. It was just straight armbian. Firefox also doesn't handle mkvs native, so same deal. Yes, i see that you tell people to just not transcode, but shouldn't it just work? I think the opiz3 I tried was the 4g.
Your end device definitely matters, that's where the heavy lifting should happen. I always use my phone, my pc (chrome or kodi), or firestick 4k. I prefer to stream media not transcode it. By doing that, you can use a really lowend device as the server, but that's just my personal philosophy.
@@GrafickStudios yea but you don't need usb3 for that. It is kind of an oxymoron to say ok I'm going to run 250ms on a phone screen. 720p looks great on a 55" Roku TV, which also transcodes native. It's the smaller ones that don't. An Opi PC with an H3 can scan libraries and serve files with jellyfin or emby. I just don't understand why these SoCs that say they can transcode 1080p of both 264 and 265 grind to a halt as soon as you try. It's false advertising. I can run 1080p 265 on a celeron 5095 with at least two streams transcoding and it works fine. I have literally over 100 pis, and actually started writing a book on this subject. You can get a 5095/8/256 on ali with a case, a ps, good cooling, three usb outs and three hdmi outs for like $125. I love pis, but they are a waste of time as media servers.
@@GrafickStudios I had Open Media Vault 5 on a HP T5740 thin client with the PCIe expansion addon to plug in an eSATA card. 32 bit but it worked just fine. I installed an Apacer 4 gig SATA DOM on a right angle adapter and the maximum size SODIMM it supported. Had to cut the 'ears' off the right angle adapter to clear a large capacitor and the expansion riser slot. There's probably someone still selling new expansion kits on Amazon for $13. Includes the expansion bay, a PCIe x16 (only x4 connected) riser and a regular PCI riser. It was working fine until I plugged in a x4 PCIe to NVME adapter that worked fine in other PCs. Killed it dead and fried the NVME adapter. So I bought another T5740 and tried the x1 PCIe NVME adapter I have. Result was another dead T5740. The adapter and NVME drive work fine in other PCs. Dunno why but apparently the HP T5740 is 'allergic' to using PCIe NVME SSDs in its PCIe riser adapter. So after that disaster I picked up a 2011 Mac Mini and installed a dual drive kit. It worked fine with Open Media Vault 6 until I switched my T-Mobile Home Internet gateway from the silver cylinder to the black cube. I logged into OMV and properly shut the server down. When I connected the ethernet cable to the new gateway, the little old Mac wouldn't boot up! I've gotten it to make the bootup chime but it won't output any video. So now I'm looking for something cheap and simple I can set up as a bare bones basic DLNA server. All it needs to do is make a folder and subfolders with videos available on my LAN via the DLNA protocol, and allow remote access from a Windows 10 PC for managing the files. I don't need to want to have a bug lump of a PC running all the time just to have my Samsung TV have access to H.265 videos.
No heat sink? I find that the 3E and 3W both run quite hot... even with small heat sink on the main processor, still goes above 50 C, in which it throttles. I have ordered the recommended heat sink that seem to be quite large, almost the entire board (i.e. 3E and 3W).
I ordered the heatsink for the 3w and I kind of regret it because the pad included is too thick for the rf shield for the wifi (needs to be trimmed). My 3E now uses a basic rpi heatsink set and that seems to be working fine.
@@GrafickStudios I am testing Pi style sinks on each IC on the 3E and 3W. But both seem to be running about 50 C, at room temp. The official heat sinks are on order. Going to compare. I am thinking I will 3D print a frame for small fan to use with the official sinks, since they are passive (copper). The small RADXA labelled IC on each board seems to get very warm. Also, this is my 2nd 3W... vendor had to replace my first 3W... it failed about about 20 hours of testing... started getting memory errors, then finally completely died, where the bootloader would not even start.
Did you managed to boot it from the usb to SATA adapter? I am wondering between this, the Zero 3W which has eMMC and Rock 3C which can boot from an mSATA. I plan to run Home Assistant and OMV on it.
Why do you call it a NAS? I did not see samba or nfs performance. Also, for dumb nas 4 cores is a bit of overkill, for opennas or something, 1 gb is lacking.
Bruh, from 10:52 - 12:08 I do a Samba test. I feel like you didn't watch the video lol and I don't think Opennas is compatible. A simple Samba share is enough for most, I'm not sure what you expect for $16, it maintained 100+MBytes/s easily.
It's usb 2.0 I believe but I believe you can get OTG to work by using the correct dts file or some have commented that it just works depending on the cable used. Personally, I don't think I got it to work for data.
So update, I tried 2 different images, and both were not acceptable for video playback. The official debian image from Radxa was the worst. I did notice that kodi mentioned something about CEC when it first started. I don't think it would be good for a playback device at the moment.
@@GrafickStudios Hello, thank you for this feedback, I appreciate it a lot. It's good to know. For a media center, it is better to plan for more power.
if I use the usb 3.0 port, i have no problems (I use a hub though). As for the otg 2.0 port (that also uses power) I believe there is an overlay you have to enable. This post talks about it: forum.radxa.com/t/otg-usb-port-not-working-properly/21702/4
Yes, it was running a jellyfin server in a docker container. Transcode is possible using RKMPP however, the RK3566 is only able to do 1080p, which begs the question, why go through the effort of setting it up? Most end devices can play 1080p h264/h265 just fine. I think it makes more sense for a RK3588 device (it can do 4k). Jellyfin has a whole page dedicated to using the Rockchip VPU.
@@GrafickStudios because i use a software which is only available as a pre build image with raspbian. Unfortunatly the pi zero2w has only 512MB which is not much these days
I showed in the video it was running a standard Samba share with my windows computer. It was near full gigabit speed, so like 112-115MB/s. Be sure to format the hard drive in like ext4 or similar, not ntfs.
The RK3566 actually supports SATA but it's up to the manufacturers to break it out. The Orange Pi 3B is sort of an example of this (m.2 slot is both sata and nvme). But a SATA port would take up too much space on a little board like this. But I know what you mean. It would be cool if there was a small dedicated NAS setup with m.2 or sata ports.
@@GrafickStudios Right now the closest thing I have to such a thing is a 2010 era eMachines that is full time file server duty. 15W 1c/1t Athlon on 1GbE and 10GbE SFP pulling a grand total of 55W from the wall. If I could put together something that further minimizes the thermal footprint, power footprint and adds more speed/cores and utility, it's gonna be $$$, which kind of defeats the purpose. The Pi vendors know that while sata is old, putting it in there would dramatically shift the way people see these cool little devices. The home server scene would absolutely explode over night.
This is so awesome. I have my own NAS and jellyfin server now. Arrived today, works so well!
Thanks for the demo and info, This is awesome. Have a great day
You can plug the usbc meter into the charging brick and it will show the power consumption as well
I'd love to see the 2 W Tested for the same. I want to put together a AP NAS to keep with my phone, because it's too much effort to put micro SD cards in phones now. Was thinking about using ArozOS though...
You should also use Syncthing with that setup to sync data.
Between the phone and the small single board computer device*
U could use a usbc to usbc extension to use the power measuring device
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Very cool. I'd like to see USB4, NVME slot, and 2.5 gigE - plus heat sinks and an enclosure, but for the price, this is unbeatable. It does everything my old Raspberry Pi 3 B+ chokes on - especially HEVC. If they can get better OS support (I hear updates can break some packages), they'll go to the top of my list for home theater streaming systems and multimedia NAS for friends 'n fam. I might get one to tinker with 'til then.
this is my first time hearing about USB4.
USB5 when?
Jokes aside a computer board with NVME slot and gigabit ethernet + low energy usage + low price would be my dream actually.
@@fizipcfxmake the SBC the same length as a regular nvme ssd
No USB4 (by the way - - what for?) , but consider Radxa Rock 5B+ .
@@Solista-z4z Nice find! For that price range, I'd likely just get a miniPC from beelink on sale at Amazon or some such, though. As for USB4, just future compatibility. I've recently swapped out most of my USB cabling for USB C style ends with just small adapters for things that need them, and I have a few USB 3.2 and 4.0 devices that I'd like to use at their full speed.
I'd prefer manufacturers just eat the cost and put all USB C / USB 4.0 ports as standard so I don't have a mix and match of cables 'n standards, but I know that won't happen for a while yet... and even USB 4 is a mess with a slew of "standards" within the standard. lol.
that's cool. I used to use a SBC but I sold it because I built my monster desktop Linux Mint PC.
Hi sir, please test it further. Im impressed that it has Ethernet and usb c. Please do test like pihole, docker etc.. And even tailscale. Thnx
In the video I stated I'm running jellyfin in a docker container. Which means pihole and tailscale should work as well. However I don't know if the 1GB of ram for my board will be limiting in that case.
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Can't find one at $16 anywhere lol. Probably someone made a mistake between this and the POE HAT coz that costs $16.
1gb model is $18 on allnet, 4gb is $32
It could be interesting see radxa zero with two SATA hd on usbc and OMV
It's interesting that you are not being required to decode. I have had problems with browsers and with some of the smaller roku tvs. The jellyfin app does not transcode with the chip on them. Even 1080p drags an opi zero 3 to it''s knees in seconds, and that chip is supposed to native decode 264 and 265. I wasn't running docker. It was just straight armbian. Firefox also doesn't handle mkvs native, so same deal. Yes, i see that you tell people to just not transcode, but shouldn't it just work? I think the opiz3 I tried was the 4g.
Your end device definitely matters, that's where the heavy lifting should happen. I always use my phone, my pc (chrome or kodi), or firestick 4k. I prefer to stream media not transcode it. By doing that, you can use a really lowend device as the server, but that's just my personal philosophy.
@@GrafickStudios yea but you don't need usb3 for that. It is kind of an oxymoron to say ok I'm going to run 250ms on a phone screen. 720p looks great on a 55" Roku TV, which also transcodes native. It's the smaller ones that don't. An Opi PC with an H3 can scan libraries and serve files with jellyfin or emby. I just don't understand why these SoCs that say they can transcode 1080p of both 264 and 265 grind to a halt as soon as you try. It's false advertising. I can run 1080p 265 on a celeron 5095 with at least two streams transcoding and it works fine. I have literally over 100 pis, and actually started writing a book on this subject. You can get a 5095/8/256 on ali with a case, a ps, good cooling, three usb outs and three hdmi outs for like $125. I love pis, but they are a waste of time as media servers.
@@GrafickStudios I had Open Media Vault 5 on a HP T5740 thin client with the PCIe expansion addon to plug in an eSATA card. 32 bit but it worked just fine. I installed an Apacer 4 gig SATA DOM on a right angle adapter and the maximum size SODIMM it supported. Had to cut the 'ears' off the right angle adapter to clear a large capacitor and the expansion riser slot. There's probably someone still selling new expansion kits on Amazon for $13. Includes the expansion bay, a PCIe x16 (only x4 connected) riser and a regular PCI riser.
It was working fine until I plugged in a x4 PCIe to NVME adapter that worked fine in other PCs. Killed it dead and fried the NVME adapter. So I bought another T5740 and tried the x1 PCIe NVME adapter I have. Result was another dead T5740. The adapter and NVME drive work fine in other PCs.
Dunno why but apparently the HP T5740 is 'allergic' to using PCIe NVME SSDs in its PCIe riser adapter.
So after that disaster I picked up a 2011 Mac Mini and installed a dual drive kit. It worked fine with Open Media Vault 6 until I switched my T-Mobile Home Internet gateway from the silver cylinder to the black cube. I logged into OMV and properly shut the server down. When I connected the ethernet cable to the new gateway, the little old Mac wouldn't boot up! I've gotten it to make the bootup chime but it won't output any video.
So now I'm looking for something cheap and simple I can set up as a bare bones basic DLNA server. All it needs to do is make a folder and subfolders with videos available on my LAN via the DLNA protocol, and allow remote access from a Windows 10 PC for managing the files. I don't need to want to have a bug lump of a PC running all the time just to have my Samsung TV have access to H.265 videos.
@@paulhelinski9890 Hi, I just made another video showing the zero 3e transcoding, if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/6pRHlH2eNBw/w-d-xo.html
No heat sink? I find that the 3E and 3W both run quite hot... even with small heat sink on the main processor, still goes above 50 C, in which it throttles. I have ordered the recommended heat sink that seem to be quite large, almost the entire board (i.e. 3E and 3W).
I ordered the heatsink for the 3w and I kind of regret it because the pad included is too thick for the rf shield for the wifi (needs to be trimmed). My 3E now uses a basic rpi heatsink set and that seems to be working fine.
@@GrafickStudios I am testing Pi style sinks on each IC on the 3E and 3W. But both seem to be running about 50 C, at room temp. The official heat sinks are on order. Going to compare. I am thinking I will 3D print a frame for small fan to use with the official sinks, since they are passive (copper).
The small RADXA labelled IC on each board seems to get very warm. Also, this is my 2nd 3W... vendor had to replace my first 3W... it failed about about 20 hours of testing... started getting memory errors, then finally completely died, where the bootloader would not even start.
Did you managed to boot it from the usb to SATA adapter? I am wondering between this, the Zero 3W which has eMMC and Rock 3C which can boot from an mSATA. I plan to run Home Assistant and OMV on it.
You have GPU acceleration in Jellyfin?
I never bothered to set up RKMPP, should I? Is it worth it? I haven't needed transcoding so far..... 🤷
@@GrafickStudios If you have VPU acceleration yes it matters
@@IonCubekhanz Hi, I just made another video showing the zero 3e transcoding, if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/6pRHlH2eNBw/w-d-xo.html
Why do you call it a NAS? I did not see samba or nfs performance. Also, for dumb nas 4 cores is a bit of overkill, for opennas or something, 1 gb is lacking.
Bruh, from 10:52 - 12:08 I do a Samba test. I feel like you didn't watch the video lol and I don't think Opennas is compatible. A simple Samba share is enough for most, I'm not sure what you expect for $16, it maintained 100+MBytes/s easily.
can you test different os on thid radxa.
If you power it from GPIO, does that second USB 3 work for data... or is it power only?
It's usb 2.0 I believe but I believe you can get OTG to work by using the correct dts file or some have commented that it just works depending on the cable used. Personally, I don't think I got it to work for data.
Hi, does it work well with kodi installed on it, using the micro hdmi? and will hdmi CEC work? Thanks
I haven't tried, but might be a good video idea, so stay tuned, I might do a video if it works well.
So update, I tried 2 different images, and both were not acceptable for video playback. The official debian image from Radxa was the worst. I did notice that kodi mentioned something about CEC when it first started. I don't think it would be good for a playback device at the moment.
@@GrafickStudios Hello, thank you for this feedback, I appreciate it a lot. It's good to know. For a media center, it is better to plan for more power.
bro, this board is not detecting my USB mouse & keyboard, does yours?
if I use the usb 3.0 port, i have no problems (I use a hub though). As for the otg 2.0 port (that also uses power) I believe there is an overlay you have to enable. This post talks about it: forum.radxa.com/t/otg-usb-port-not-working-properly/21702/4
so this was running a jellyfin server on it? any transcode possible?
Yes, it was running a jellyfin server in a docker container. Transcode is possible using RKMPP however, the RK3566 is only able to do 1080p, which begs the question, why go through the effort of setting it up? Most end devices can play 1080p h264/h265 just fine. I think it makes more sense for a RK3588 device (it can do 4k). Jellyfin has a whole page dedicated to using the Rockchip VPU.
Hi, I just made another video showing the zero 3e transcoding, if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/6pRHlH2eNBw/w-d-xo.html
Do you know if RaspianOs is working on it?
I'm not aware of it working as it's usually aimed more towards Raspberry Pi. Why Raspbian over say Ubuntu or Debian or maybe even Armbian?
@@GrafickStudios because i use a software which is only available as a pre build image with raspbian. Unfortunatly the pi zero2w has only 512MB which is not much these days
"this, a NAS? With you and what connectivity"
I showed in the video it was running a standard Samba share with my windows computer. It was near full gigabit speed, so like 112-115MB/s. Be sure to format the hard drive in like ext4 or similar, not ntfs.
If these things ever manage to pick up single or dual sata, I'll be interested. Until then, snore.
The RK3566 actually supports SATA but it's up to the manufacturers to break it out. The Orange Pi 3B is sort of an example of this (m.2 slot is both sata and nvme). But a SATA port would take up too much space on a little board like this. But I know what you mean. It would be cool if there was a small dedicated NAS setup with m.2 or sata ports.
@@GrafickStudios Right now the closest thing I have to such a thing is a 2010 era eMachines that is full time file server duty. 15W 1c/1t Athlon on 1GbE and 10GbE SFP pulling a grand total of 55W from the wall. If I could put together something that further minimizes the thermal footprint, power footprint and adds more speed/cores and utility, it's gonna be $$$, which kind of defeats the purpose. The Pi vendors know that while sata is old, putting it in there would dramatically shift the way people see these cool little devices. The home server scene would absolutely explode over night.
Is it a 1gb or 2gb model?
it's the 1GB model, I showed it on the box and stated it.
Does it support PoE?
Yes, but you need the POE hat (sold separately)
I need a MIPI port
It has MIPI CSI if that helps
Not under$20 anymore. 😢$35
Can you share tutorial how you setup NGinx file server at Radaxa? Why didn't you just share files over samba protocol
Android ??
officially I don't see it listed, but snooping around their github I found this: github.com/radxa/manifests/releases/tag/Android11_Radxa_rk12_20231109