I'd recommend going somewhere where you have the best chance of getting a high GPA if you are dead set on entering the medical field. Go somewhere where you'll be happy and can thrive well. The competition is much more fierce at the highest ranked colleges.
tbh going to an "elite" school definitely helps you, even if the bias is only subconscious. i'm at an ivy and it's constantly talked about. there's a sense that people want to reinforce how "important" it is. i think it definitely privileges you. if there are two excellent applicants, equal more or less, the ivy leaguer will be more likely to be admitted. why? because ivies and elite professors and staff know one another. it's very nepotistic. that said, it isn't definitive because you are doing incredibly. but you're obviously an outstanding and unique person dr. tooley. the advice is excellent, on the whole. don't stop moving toward your dream because everyone doesn't *want* an elite pedigree. it's all about what you desire.
I think the name really only matters as long as you keep progressing in prestige, if you will. For example: you started at a state university for undergrad and maybe ended up at an Ivy League residency program. The most recent would be the most important, I would assume. I'm just about to start undergrad though so take this for what it's worth 😊.
8:48 I'm deciding between full rides from Rice Columbia and Brown. The whole video made me doubt. I really want to go to Columbia so I'm leaning towards it. But I got into Browns BS MD program it's really confusing.
Oh hey dude. Remember me. I changed my profile picture, but we talked about your stats and extracurricular. I would recommend the Rice/Baylor program. It’s a very competitive program where you go to Rice for undergrad and Baylor for Medical school. It only accepts 2 students so... If not any big named school is great. Stanford, NYU, Boston, Johns Hopkins, and all Ivy’s Don’t worry about college. From learning about ur stats, you will get in any college.
And I think the reason why you are able to motivate so many people like me and hundreds and thousands other high school students who are aiming for medical school is because you are an example for people who did not go to those big name schools and thrived by hardworking! I believe there will be less influence to me if I listen to a student graduated from Harvard and go to medical school, Harvard and Stanford and other big schools are known for sending out medical school students. However, when I hear people from small schools also made their way to medical school, I believe there is a equal chance for every hardworking student out there who wants to go to medical school.
Don't think the name matters. Here in N.Y. @ Brooklyn college there was a girl who got accepted to 11 top medical schools. So as long as you put in hard work, you can get accepted to the medical school of your choice and the name of your undergrad won't stop you.
please make a video on how to develop personal/professional relationships with professors! I am trying to develop closer relationships so I can get references and also a job within my school (because teachers are only brought in through references that professors make to the hiring staff) but i have no guidance how to do it.
this is a great question. i'm a phd student, not a medical resident but i would advise not always going to them for help, but asking what you can do (do you need research assistance or volunteers?). also, going to them with an idea for a project/paper/outline with material in hand. i.e. you want to apply for a summer research program or submit to an undergrad journal. start working on it alone and then reach out to ask them to advise you. last, go to office hours if you are in their class. you *must* prove that you are hard working, but once they place a face with a name, they'll remember you and be more likely to wan to help you. hope that's helpful!
My sister is currently doing her IM residency at Columbia and a lot of residents there went state schools and liberal arts colleges, not just big name Ivy Leagues. They said that their med school application process was definitely much tougher because in terms of getting in, a reputed undergrad definitely helped, although after that, the playing field became much more leveled. I think once you've made it past med school and you've proved that you're smart, residencies and fellowships after don't really care about you're undergrad. One of the perks of being a part of the world of medicine is that everyone out there is super smart!
I really want to thank you for making this video. It is really helped me and now I know what kind of college I want to go after just watching this video.
Generally, I think people who go to "big name" schools tend to be more academically driven and as such tend to be the individuals who want to go to medical school, match into competitive residencies, and subsequently fellowship. I don't think it has to do with the caliber of the institution so much as the personality and focus of the person who goes there
I think that the name matters but it isn't necessary gonna put u in a medical school (self-education is what matters in the end) but the support and resources found in a university that offers a medical school are better than schools that don't have a medical school in them. plus staying in that same university and continuing In its medical school saves u the costs of travelling to the other university.
I am using my daughter's YT account to reply. What an interesting video, thanks for sharing and for being honest. I appreciate that you invited comments. Yes one can make lots of assumptions about "pedigree" but I think by saying that you run the risk of sounding elitist and pretentious. There are countless public high schools and public universities with students who are without a doubt EXTRAORDINARY, but the pedigree schools you are talking about accept very few of them. In the end, its about drive (I'm sure Harvard has produced a lazy doc or two), persistence, attitude, compassion... My advice to you is don't use the word pedigree and don't let the students watching your videos EVER think anything like "pedigree" will matter, even if you may now think it will or does. Because in my experience, doctors will not be remembered on their deathbeds for their "pedigree" that you describe (Harvard, Yale, the other schools you mentioned...). Rather, doctors will be remembered because they cared...because they took the time...because they didn't give up...because they were there. With all due respect, you sent the wrong message.
I dont have much confidence that I'm gonna do well on my ACT, but my grades are decent. I'm considering Hofstra University, as they are test neutral and are pretty good from what I've heard in the pre med department. They are also affiliated with the Northwell Health based in New Hyde Park on Long Island. Do u recommend that school?
Hi!!! I'm going to be a freshman this fall at NC State University... I'm majoring in environmental science but I wanted to ask you if you think that's a good major to pair with a pre-med or pre-dental track? Thanks for all the helpful advice!
IJ Williams I don't know if I would say it's about the state rather the college. New York has many state universities that are excellent but they also have some that aren't so great. It's more about the school than wear you live. A lot of times going to a state university in another state can be financially easier than going private because if the applicant is smarter than the average person at that school they usually give reduced tuition even to people out of state.
If I had to choose between UMaine (not so great state school) where I would get a full tuition scholarship or a competitive college like Notre Dame or Tufts were I would need to take out significant student loans, where would you guys recommend?
Marie Hammel if it were me I would go to the state school where you would get a full ride. Yes those schools have a slight better recognition but in the end it is what you accomplish while at the school. Medical school is expensive enough, might as well start off debt free because chances are in medical school you will be living off of loans. Just my opinion, hope it helps!
I succeed in a small school environment as well! However, I think what school you go to is what you make of it. I went to a small liberal arts school that is in the top 25 schools in the country and at all of my med school interviews my interviewers knew my school and how rigorous it is. Small schools tend to give you a smaller, more personal alumni network and usually have premedical application committees for recommendation letters. That said research was harder to get into and I had to do research over the summer at an outside school. Pick what you think works best for you :)
Another thing I noticed on my interview trail was that with the "big name" schools the GPA seemed to be waved a bit. As long as the MCAT score was where it needed to be you didn't necessarily need to have a 4.0 or close to.
kimberly Alvarez If you look at their website, you can usually find the average accepted GPA and MCAT scores from their recent incoming classes. Those are good numbers to shoot for if you want to be a competitive applicant :)
Yes I went to med school in Syria and did residency at university of Pittsburgh U just take the same USMLE exams that American graduates take Same exact thing
I'd recommend going somewhere where you have the best chance of getting a high GPA if you are dead set on entering the medical field. Go somewhere where you'll be happy and can thrive well. The competition is much more fierce at the highest ranked colleges.
YES!
tbh going to an "elite" school definitely helps you, even if the bias is only subconscious. i'm at an ivy and it's constantly talked about. there's a sense that people want to reinforce how "important" it is. i think it definitely privileges you. if there are two excellent applicants, equal more or less, the ivy leaguer will be more likely to be admitted. why? because ivies and elite professors and staff know one another. it's very nepotistic. that said, it isn't definitive because you are doing incredibly. but you're obviously an outstanding and unique person dr. tooley. the advice is excellent, on the whole. don't stop moving toward your dream because everyone doesn't *want* an elite pedigree. it's all about what you desire.
It's Monday and there is a new video, the day could not start any better!!!!
I think the name really only matters as long as you keep progressing in prestige, if you will. For example: you started at a state university for undergrad and maybe ended up at an Ivy League residency program. The most recent would be the most important, I would assume. I'm just about to start undergrad though so take this for what it's worth 😊.
8:48 I'm deciding between full rides from Rice Columbia and Brown. The whole video made me doubt. I really want to go to Columbia so I'm leaning towards it. But I got into Browns BS MD program it's really confusing.
Oh hey dude. Remember me. I changed my profile picture, but we talked about your stats and extracurricular.
I would recommend the Rice/Baylor program. It’s a very competitive program where you go to Rice for undergrad and Baylor for Medical school. It only accepts 2 students so...
If not any big named school is great.
Stanford, NYU, Boston, Johns Hopkins, and all Ivy’s
Don’t worry about college. From learning about ur stats, you will get in any college.
And I think the reason why you are able to motivate so many people like me and hundreds and thousands other high school students who are aiming for medical school is because you are an example for people who did not go to those big name schools and thrived by hardworking!
I believe there will be less influence to me if I listen to a student graduated from Harvard and go to medical school, Harvard and Stanford and other big schools are known for sending out medical school students. However, when I hear people from small schools also made their way to medical school, I believe there is a equal chance for every hardworking student out there who wants to go to medical school.
Thanks for your honest opinion on school name Dr. Tooley. I also think prestige matters a bit in medicine.
Don't think the name matters. Here in N.Y. @ Brooklyn college there was a girl who got accepted to 11 top medical schools. So as long as you put in hard work, you can get accepted to the medical school of your choice and the name of your undergrad won't stop you.
Andrea, you are such an inspiration to me. So bright and intelligent. Please post videos more often.
please make a video on how to develop personal/professional relationships with professors! I am trying to develop closer relationships so I can get references and also a job within my school (because teachers are only brought in through references that professors make to the hiring staff) but i have no guidance how to do it.
this is a great question. i'm a phd student, not a medical resident but i would advise not always going to them for help, but asking what you can do (do you need research assistance or volunteers?). also, going to them with an idea for a project/paper/outline with material in hand. i.e. you want to apply for a summer research program or submit to an undergrad journal. start working on it alone and then reach out to ask them to advise you. last, go to office hours if you are in their class. you *must* prove that you are hard working, but once they place a face with a name, they'll remember you and be more likely to wan to help you. hope that's helpful!
@Osama Syed Thank you .
Thanks! I sent you a e-mail couple months ago regarding this question, now i see the video answering it here! Again, thx!
My sister is currently doing her IM residency at Columbia and a lot of residents there went state schools and liberal arts colleges, not just big name Ivy Leagues. They said that their med school application process was definitely much tougher because in terms of getting in, a reputed undergrad definitely helped, although after that, the playing field became much more leveled. I think once you've made it past med school and you've proved that you're smart, residencies and fellowships after don't really care about you're undergrad.
One of the perks of being a part of the world of medicine is that everyone out there is super smart!
I really want to thank you for making this video. It is really helped me and now I know what kind of college I want to go after just watching this video.
Generally, I think people who go to "big name" schools tend to be more academically driven and as such tend to be the individuals who want to go to medical school, match into competitive residencies, and subsequently fellowship. I don't think it has to do with the caliber of the institution so much as the personality and focus of the person who goes there
I think that the name matters but it isn't necessary gonna put u in a medical school (self-education is what matters in the end) but the support and resources found in a university that offers a medical school are better than schools that don't have a medical school in them. plus staying in that same university and continuing In its medical school saves u the costs of travelling to the other university.
" I went to Butler which is a tiny school in Indianapolis and now Im a resident at Mayo Clinic" YESSSSSS
Daniel Feds congratulations
Hey, how did you match at Mayo. Is it hard because I really want to work at Mayo.
Dr. Q I am quoting what Andrea said in the video. I myself don’t work there
I am using my daughter's YT account to reply. What an interesting video, thanks for sharing and for being honest. I appreciate that you invited comments. Yes one can make lots of assumptions about "pedigree" but I think by saying that you run the risk of sounding elitist and pretentious. There are countless public high schools and public universities with students who are without a doubt EXTRAORDINARY, but the pedigree schools you are talking about accept very few of them. In the end, its about drive (I'm sure Harvard has produced a lazy doc or two), persistence, attitude, compassion... My advice to you is don't use the word pedigree and don't let the students watching your videos EVER think anything like "pedigree" will matter, even if you may now think it will or does. Because in my experience, doctors will not be remembered on their deathbeds for their "pedigree" that you describe (Harvard, Yale, the other schools you mentioned...). Rather, doctors will be remembered because they cared...because they took the time...because they didn't give up...because they were there. With all due respect, you sent the wrong message.
I dont have much confidence that I'm gonna do well on my ACT, but my grades are decent. I'm considering Hofstra University, as they are test neutral and are pretty good from what I've heard in the pre med department. They are also affiliated with the Northwell Health based in New Hyde Park on Long Island. Do u recommend that school?
Hi!!! I'm going to be a freshman this fall at NC State University... I'm majoring in environmental science but I wanted to ask you if you think that's a good major to pair with a pre-med or pre-dental track? Thanks for all the helpful advice!
So 4 years later, how did it go ?
if you are in texas or say california.... state is the way to go...
maybe even Georgia or Florida
IJ Williams I don't know if I would say it's about the state rather the college. New York has many state universities that are excellent but they also have some that aren't so great. It's more about the school than wear you live. A lot of times going to a state university in another state can be financially easier than going private because if the applicant is smarter than the average person at that school they usually give reduced tuition even to people out of state.
Brianna VanDermark well ... True i know the UC cost a lot but i love in texas with a reduced tu.. Im not sure on the other cost
IJ Williams im in Texas and I got full rides from Brown Rice and Columbia. Columbia is a dream so I'm leaning towards it.
If I had to choose between UMaine (not so great state school) where I would get a full tuition scholarship or a competitive college like Notre Dame or Tufts were I would need to take out significant student loans, where would you guys recommend?
Marie Hammel if it were me I would go to the state school where you would get a full ride. Yes those schools have a slight better recognition but in the end it is what you accomplish while at the school. Medical school is expensive enough, might as well start off debt free because chances are in medical school you will be living off of loans. Just my opinion, hope it helps!
I succeed in a small school environment as well! However, I think what school you go to is what you make of it. I went to a small liberal arts school that is in the top 25 schools in the country and at all of my med school interviews my interviewers knew my school and how rigorous it is. Small schools tend to give you a smaller, more personal alumni network and usually have premedical application committees for recommendation letters. That said research was harder to get into and I had to do research over the summer at an outside school. Pick what you think works best for you :)
Another thing I noticed on my interview trail was that with the "big name" schools the GPA seemed to be waved a bit. As long as the MCAT score was where it needed to be you didn't necessarily need to have a 4.0 or close to.
interesting !
what should be my gpa and mcat score for mayo medical school? i really want to go there!
kimberly Alvarez If you look at their website, you can usually find the average accepted GPA and MCAT scores from their recent incoming classes. Those are good numbers to shoot for if you want to be a competitive applicant :)
thank you!!
google.com best source!!!!!!
good one😂😂
what did you study in the uni?
Are u an MD?
CanyoumakemoreOfTheseplss??!!!!!loves!!!
can foreign students become doctors in the USA?
Yes, you just have to pass our boards exam to become a certified physician.
Minori ruba If I become a doctor in South America and want to specialize in the U.S can I do that?
Yes I went to med school in Syria and did residency at university of Pittsburgh
U just take the same USMLE exams that American graduates take
Same exact thing