@TheOfficialSiNN I wouldn't have put 3 in if that was the case. They don't introduce noise. If anything, they reduce noise as you are removing units that aren't active.
Only if you use it to connect a mic with a preamp - and only for some mics. They don't recommend you do this as the flock is set up to accept line level signals. With line level signals, absolutely NO noise.
I also hate them. I have several. No matter how organized you are your patch bay will look like a messy spiderweb in the back. And also in the front as the mix progresses. This makes it difficult to swap bits of gear in and out, or troubleshoot for malfunctioning cables. Also the patch bays themselves need to be serviced from time to time. Pain in the rear to troubleshoot that as well. A real time stealer. These new modern answers to patch bays are very welcome.
Great video & I wholeheartedly agree. I have 72 inputs worth of patchbay I/O & to afford the digital version of that would cost the amount of a decent car. :( I can't afford the digital patchbays so though I hate wiring, especially if i have to move (home studio), I don't really have a choice. A non digital patchbay is affordable...These digital ones are a dream but the average home studio can't afford it unfortunately
Hey Paul, I've also noticed that in your old mixing/mastering videos, you use 1 monitor setup(mains). Can you (1) address the pros and cons of single vs multiple monitoring for mixing/mastering and (2) if there is an advantage to a single monitor setup what can you suggest one with 2 extra monitors do other than setup another studio or sell them? Thanks.
The flock patch bays are almost a necessity, as you can not quickly swap things to A/B them in a normal patch bay and in the mastering units you are extremely limited for actually more money. The problem with thinking about a Flock is your processing section kinda needs to be up there in cost to warrant it. The fact the Flock can also deliver 48 volts it becomes a perfect recording patch bay also. With the ability to save setting then you also never have to worry about sending 48 volts to something that will break from it. I'd like to have one as soon as it's viable but it's also something that might be warranted even with little amount of things to patch... just £2222 for a 16 insert patch bay is insane... I do think it's a bit over priced. I think someone could invent the same thing for less. But if you have a full studio and spending over 2K on a lot of units is a no brainer buy
For what it does the flock seems kind of overpriced? I suppose if you're mixin/mastering professionally you can justify its cost... by charging it back to your clients lol
@scrapethebottom for me, I don't feel it is overpriced. It's expensive but the amount the time is saves you per job it pays for itself in a month. As you say, it can be justified from a professional standpoint. From a non professional standpoint it's massively overkill. Better ways to spend £2k+
I’ve heard that the flock patch bays introduce a lot of noise in your signal
@TheOfficialSiNN I wouldn't have put 3 in if that was the case. They don't introduce noise. If anything, they reduce noise as you are removing units that aren't active.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio that’s good news I’ve been looking at picking some up. Just saw a few reviews and wasn’t completely sure.
Only if you use it to connect a mic with a preamp - and only for some mics. They don't recommend you do this as the flock is set up to accept line level signals. With line level signals, absolutely NO noise.
So....to make it clear...you hate old school patchbays. 🤣. Love it.
Been thinking about getting a Flock, but haven't pulled the trigger.
@@laynehoward2870 I must have said hate about 20 times within the first minute.
Saying it 20 times is not enough...
@@GreySH101 haha
I also hate them. I have several. No matter how organized you are your patch bay will look like a messy spiderweb in the back. And also in the front as the mix progresses. This makes it difficult to swap bits of gear in and out, or troubleshoot for malfunctioning cables. Also the patch bays themselves need to be serviced from time to time. Pain in the rear to troubleshoot that as well. A real time stealer. These new modern answers to patch bays are very welcome.
@GreySH101 a costly expense for these modern patchbays in comparison. I feel it's worth it though. Especially for me.
I feel your pain brother! That's exactly why I moved to a Flock. Life has been good ever since.
Great video & I wholeheartedly agree. I have 72 inputs worth of patchbay I/O & to afford the digital version of that would cost the amount of a decent car. :( I can't afford the digital patchbays so though I hate wiring, especially if i have to move (home studio), I don't really have a choice. A non digital patchbay is affordable...These digital ones are a dream but the average home studio can't afford it unfortunately
@jaykarimi7123 hopefully an affordable option will come along soon. For the average person, these kinds of patchbays are overkill.
Hey Paul, I've also noticed that in your old mixing/mastering videos, you use 1 monitor setup(mains). Can you (1) address the pros and cons of single vs multiple monitoring for mixing/mastering and (2) if there is an advantage to a single monitor setup what can you suggest one with 2 extra monitors do other than setup another studio or sell them? Thanks.
Paul, I think you need patch bays for XMAS!!! ....................I am kidding!!! More videos please!
@@braxal6983 I will use the patch cables as tinsel round the Christmas tree
The flock patch bays are almost a necessity, as you can not quickly swap things to A/B them in a normal patch bay and in the mastering units you are extremely limited for actually more money.
The problem with thinking about a Flock is your processing section kinda needs to be up there in cost to warrant it.
The fact the Flock can also deliver 48 volts it becomes a perfect recording patch bay also.
With the ability to save setting then you also never have to worry about sending 48 volts to something that will break from it.
I'd like to have one as soon as it's viable but it's also something that might be warranted even with little amount of things to patch... just £2222 for a 16 insert patch bay is insane... I do think it's a bit over priced.
I think someone could invent the same thing for less.
But if you have a full studio and spending over 2K on a lot of units is a no brainer buy
@TheSakuraGumiLTD yes I agree.
For what it does the flock seems kind of overpriced? I suppose if you're mixin/mastering professionally you can justify its cost... by charging it back to your clients lol
@scrapethebottom for me, I don't feel it is overpriced. It's expensive but the amount the time is saves you per job it pays for itself in a month. As you say, it can be justified from a professional standpoint. From a non professional standpoint it's massively overkill. Better ways to spend £2k+