EP 3 | Delivered from Future Wrath | The Biblical Case for the Rapture of All Christians
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- What does the Bible teach about the doctrine of imminency? Could Jesus Christ come back today? Dr. Ron Rhodes, Dr. Mark Hitchcock, and Dr. Ed Hindson explain what the Bible says about the return of Jesus.
This pre-rapture teaching is totally correct. When I trusted Christ as my personal Savior 45 years ago and prayed for wisdom regarding this teaching....He has reassured me
many times that He is coming for his Bride (the Church) before the tribulation period which will last for 7 years.
Flo Cali it’s false. Please do your research. Matthew 24: “Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”
Matthew 24:29-30 KJV
It is my blessed hope for certain. Being in the presence of God soon motivates me to evangelize and live a holy "ready" life in expectancy of my dear Lord's return. I cannot wait to see Him face to face and be set free from this evil world 🙏
Please Lord, come quickly!
JESUS IS COMING SOON ! AMEN . 😇😇😇😇😇
Theodore Russell wanna bet...see above
Praise GOD!
We shall be hidden for a time in a place that was prepared for us until His wrath passes by.
The Bible tells us the Rapture is pre tribulation . Biblical fact . Those who twist the scriptures are sadly uneducated . It's all about sound education to the Bible . Our beloved brother Paul makes a pre tribulation Rapture very clear , all glory be to God ! Amen !
John, I think it is you that is twisting scripture with your latter day false teaching of pre trib...fact is scripture in no way shape or form teaches a pre trib rapture nor did Paul...It is fact you cant believe in the salvation gospel and pre trib at the same time, so which will you chose?The sacrifice of Christ benefits all truly repentant sinners who have sincere faith and trust in Christ, but this benefit is conferred as God automatically baptizes all true believers in the Holy Spirit, which places them "into" the Body of Christ (1Cor.12:13) and that "Body" is the Church (Eph.1:22,23), with the result that all believers are "IN Christ" (2Cor.5:17). Being "in Christ" is the place of justification (Gal.2:17), redemption and forgiveness of sins (Eph.1:7). There is no other place, than in Christ's body, for those spiritual transactions in the NT. It will only be people "in Christ" (and in his body), who have been crucified with him, who have died and been burried with him, and are made alive with him (read Rom.6:1-10). For anyone to be saved, God places Jews or Gentiles "in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross" (Eph.2:16)... and that one body of reconciliation is the Church (Eph.1:22-23). There will never be any other way to justification, reconciliation to God, redemption, resurrection and eternal life, than by being "IN Christ," which is in his body the Church...and anything else is another way of salvation (and really, another gospel) than is found in the Bible. Rev 12 verse 17 is the church!Don't forget the dead cant rise until the heaven be no more which only takes place after the tribulation take note Paul states we meet Jesus in the clouds, not heaven...Job Chapter 14 verse 12. The Bible reads "So man lieth down and riseth not till the heavens be no more. They shall not awake nor be raised out of their sleep." So this verse is very clearly stating that those who've died will not be resurrected, they will not live again until the heavens be no more. Jesus confirms this when He states He will raise ALL who belong to Him on the last day, all means all and last means last to claim otherwise you must take away from the word of God which lands you in the lake of fire... John 6:39 "This is the will of the Father who sent Me,
that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing,
but should raise it up at the last day." John 6:40 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me,
that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.""
John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him;
and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:54 "Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life,
and I will raise him up at the last day." Is our Lord Jesus trying to get a message to us here? If He saw fit to tell us four times in the one message that He will raise His people up at the "last day" then His Word on the matter should be final. And who would dare tamper with the message the Holy Spirit has so clearly laid out for us in the Holy Scriptures? Jesus tells us that the Resurrection of the righteous dead will occur at the 'last day".
@Heidi K. First LIES: ==>quote, "The 24 elders represent the raptured church in heaven". JOHN VISIONS WERE NOT ""LITERAL""?
SECOND lies: RAPTURES HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ==> quote, "the born again believers are not appointed to the wrath of GOD".
ANYONE WHO IS not BORN AGAIN, ""is already"" under ELoHiM wrath. LEARN WHAT YESHUAH SAY ABOUT WRATH.
Understand ""HOW"" ELoHiM will deliver his people from his wrath.
Where do you get your documentary teacher from because it was taught that the Antichrist come first at the sixth trumpet and Jesus come at the seventh trumpet
@@valenciaramsley8641 They lied: For Yeshuah gave lots of signs that will happen BEFORE he gather (rapture) his elect in the heaven (cloud, air).
These IDIOTS do NOT understand ""HOW"" ELoHiM will deliver his people from his wrath.
Mat 24: 2X ==> his elect WILL BE ON EARTH, THAT IS WHY HE SHORTENED THE DAYS.
Please DO NOT buy their MONEY MAKING LIES.
Get ELOHIM GIFT which IS FREE and it is TRUTH. Be baptized in the SPIRIT OF TRUTH.
Love is Truth and humility.;
But deception is hate, Lies, Love of money/prestige ,etc.
@@davidramadeen8129 wow! You just destroyed any testimony on any subject, as far as I'm concerned ! Christian brothers and sisters don't call each other idiots! Not Christian, not at all! You would rather argue and name call, to be right, which obviously is most important to you....and you are wrong, but it's okay for you to believe what you wish! The tribulation issue, isn't about who's saved and who's not....and salvation is what's most important! Jesus will come, when he comes! Not worth calling other believers names....and destroying your entire testimony! But go for it, if that is what makes you happy...we are all as adamant as you are in our belief....and I will refrain from calling you names....I will pray for you instead....for God to give you love and patience, of your brothers and sisters, instead of anger and argument! God bless!
Scholars? A man of wisdom is what Jesus told us to seek.
WOW what a blessing. Thank you for this!
Awesome video! Praise Jesus!!
The sooner the BETTER!! I so wish... yesterday would have been great.
We shall not all sleep - but - we shall all be changed. That sign was seen over the doorway of a church nursery.
Lol 🤣😂🤣, too funny. Very "à propos"
God bless you for your sense of humour.
Excellent excellent. I enjoyed this a lot and learned a lot. I used to club and be in the world but now I just detest the Devil and sin. I detest it. Hearing about the Lord and heaven and Jesus coming; this is amazing. Love Jesus.
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”
Matthew 24:29-30 KJV
www.bible.com/1/mat.24.29-30.kjv
very good.
Great teaching
How does this fit with Paul telling Christians, He won't come until the man of lawlessness is revealed? I forget where this verse was.
it doesn't fit, they are false teachers
Matthew Curley also matt in 2 thess 2 paul tells us the antichrist will rise into power and the falling away from faith takes place before that day, our raputre.
Matthew Curley and don't bother claiming the restrainer is the church, that would contradict the salvation gospel and most of scripture being Paul, Daniel and John all taught the restrainer is Michael
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 is referencing “the Day of the Lord.” Our gathering together to Him, has no specific signs. We can recognize the season but not the day or the hour. God bless😊
friend the day of the Lord and our rapture is the same event... Turn to 1 Thess 5... Paul is telling us of two groups of people, he says the ones in the light aka the church are watching for the sudden destruction aka tribulation hence we are here for it, he further warns us to have the armor of God on for this, that's no flight suit nor needed if we were rapture out before hand, then Paul tells us of those in the dark, they are in that dark because they are not watching for what must first take place, it is they Jesus comes as a thief to.. Matt 24 .. The Bible tells us that it is THE READERS of His words (the end-times faithful) WHO WILL SEE the Abomination of Desolation, in Matthew 24:15:“When you therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso READS, let him understand:)”Jesus goes on to us the order of events that LEAD UP to our rapture His second coming that we are to watch for, but that houseman was not watching for these things, he was in the dark as Paul puts it, had he been watching he would have known the thief was coming...Matt 25 Jesus places the Groom coming for us after the tribulation and the foolish were not prepared for the Groom to be delayed, tarried, hence they lost all hope and faith..PRE TRIB PUTS YOU IN THE DARK WITH NO OIL JUST WHERE SATAN WANTS YOU
Let new commers know the God the Holy Spirit will be with them to lead them into all truths.
Scripture is very clear. We understand Israel’s tribulation from prophecy given in progressive revelation. Moses introduced it as an epoch “latter days” (Deut. 4:30-31) event connected to God’s covenant relationship with His elect Israel (see vs 31). From there the prophets - referred to it by several names including a “time of (Jacob’s) trouble” (Jer. 30:7; see Dan. 12:1; Zeph. 1:15). Daniel revealed that it will occur during the final 7 years of a 490 year prophecy (Dan. 9:24-27) just before the Second Coming - aka the Revelation - of Christ to inaugurate the Davidic Kingdom (Dan. 7:13-14; Matt. 24-25; Rev. 12-20). Admittedly, our adversaries are desperate to shoehorn the Body of Christ into Israel’s tribulation. However, this isn’t an honest endeavor for several reasons. First, the tribulation was codified by Daniel in a prophetic vision of 70 weeks of seven years (Dan. 9:24-27) that has to be fulfilled by Israel, “thy people” (Dan. 9:15, 16, 19, 24). Since the first 69 weeks met this exact criterion, so the final week must as well. Second, the Body of Christ was a mystery hidden from all of the prophets since the world began (Rom. 16:25; Eph. 3:9). They didn’t know about us, never mentioned us, and therefore could not - and did not - place us on earth during Israel’s tribulation. Third, there isn’t a verse anywhere in the Bible clearly placing the Body of Christ on earth during Israel’s tribulation without pulling from context and redefining the words “saints” and “elect” - which in Daniel, the Olivet Discourse, and the Revelation - specifically refer to the nation of Israel and/or her tribulation converts. Therefore, if factual honesty is to have its way, Israel’s tribulation is NOT for the Body of Christ.
I just read 2 Thess. 2:7 in a Greek interlinear. The word translated "taken out of the way" is actually genetai, from ginomai, to come into being, or arise, etc. It never means to take out of the way in any other passage, and there are lots were the verb is used. Besides, the verb is not in the passive voice, so it can't mean to be taken out of the way. So the verse should basically read: For the mystery of lawlessness is already working: only there is he who now restrains, until he comes into being out of the midst, or, out of the midst he rises. This seems to say the Lawless one is restrained until out of the midst of lawlessness he rises. God, the Church, the Holy Spirit, Rome, the devil, none of these are taken out of the way!
Science searches for the missing link assuming there is such a thing... Christians cut and paste for answers to the rapture assuming the idea is true.
“And if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” Revelation 22:19
How are these famous teachers taking away from the Revelation of Jesus Christ? And for those who do, why will God take way ones part on the Book of Life and the Holy City?
I do believe I have shown you already how these false teachers take away from Gods word, but here is some more... last day means last and all means all to claim otherwise your taking away from the word of God...John 6:39 "This is the will of the Father who sent Me,
that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing,
but should raise it up at the last day." John 6:40 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me,
that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.""
John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him;
and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:54 "Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life,
and I will raise him up at the last day." Is our Lord Jesus trying to get a message to us here? If He saw fit to tell us four times in the one message that He will raise His people up at the "last day" then His Word on the matter should be final. And who would dare tamper with the message the Holy Spirit has so clearly laid out for us in the Holy Scriptures? Jesus tells us that the Resurrection of the righteous dead will occur at the 'last day".
The Bible tells us that according to the epistles of Paul, the first century Christians should know the imminent coming of the Lord because they were not in darkness. Similarly we who are in Christ today should know that Christ had already come in the first century, exactly as what Paul said to the first century Christians. I think we have a serious problem today if we are still waiting for Jesus to return. Paul and all the apostles of Jesus could not possibly be wrong, otherwise we can just throw the Bible into the rubbish bin!
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The emminency of the return of Jesus on earth is certain, for the appointed timeno one knows, as Jesus said to the disciples. But we shouldn't not confuse, the Rapture to the return of Jesus on earth. The reality is that there most the rapture of the Church before Jesus coming back on earth.
Concerning the the rapture, here what the Bible teaches us: The rapture will fulfill one of the holy feasts of God, the " Feast of the Trumpet". And that's why, as it is stated in the book of 1 Thessalonicians 4 verse 16, Jesus will catch his Bride to him at the last trumpet, the Trumpet of God ( Number 10 : 3- 7, 1 Thes. 4; 1 Co. 15: 51-53). The feast of the trumpets, were celebrated, as feast in an appointed time, as all the other feasts of God. One thing we have to know is that all the holy feasts of God which Israel used to celebrating every year, are all prophecies related to what ought to be done in Christ Jesus.
My point is that the feast of the trumpets is a prophecy related to the Rapture of the Church. This means this latter must occur at the same day this feast was used to be celebrated. According to the holy Scripture, the feast of the trumpets was celebrated every 1rst of the month of Tishri. In the today calendar, Tishri 1, is 13/ 14 of September. Understanding all this things, how could we speak about a total emminency for the Rapture, since we know in what day ( 1rst of Tishri) the feast of the trumpets was used to be celebrated, and also know the age of the Church ( 2 days, according to Lc. 13: 31-33; Hoseah 6: 1-2; Joshuah 3: 1-4), meaning about two thousand years. Remember, we are in 2018 nowadays from the the year 30 AD. So be clever God's people.
With no doubt, the rapture must occur in the month of Tishri 1 according to the book of Leviticus 23: 23-24 ( the 7th month of the year, which September 13/14) in what year? No one knows actually, but we the day, therefore the year is uncertain comparing the age of the Church on earth before being caught up, for the holy scripture says the distance ( separation) between the children of Israel and the Ark of Covenant ( the Glory of God, Jesus) is about 2000 cubits, which us actually a type of 2000 years or so
Ankerberg asks, "What does the Bible teach about the doctrine of imminency?" It teaches that after the sign of the Son of Man appears in the heavens then He is coming sometime after that, not before. This is what it teaches.
Immiency means Jesus would appear unexpectedly, without signs, to catch out His Church before God's wrath is poured out on the world. The Church has been in expectation of Jesus' appear for nearly 2,000 years. I have been and "always ready" rapturist for over forty six years. I was saved between the Six Day War and the Yom Kippur War. Ever since this time I have watched in excitement and anticipation with every cycle of Israel's prophecy undergoing fulfillment. I did not get my knowledge from Tim LaHaye or the Scofield Reference Bible. My parents did not know enough to stock our library with books like this. No my knowlege started with the study of 2 Thess. 2:1-11 and has grown from there. Naysayers have tried to sway me from my hope and confidence of God's word. But I am convinced of these truths because I am looking for the Lord Jesus Christ...not the Anti-Christ or tribulation.
+Jerry Teets
Maranatha!
Jesus said the sign of the Son of Man has to appear first. That is what he said, in spite of what authors says today.
Mike identify who Jesus was talking to...before the cross or after the cross.
Mt 24:30...Jesus is referring to Zech 12:10
and it would be mentioned again in Revelation 1:7...
So it is OT and before the cross...so it is not the the Church, which would not be born until Pentecost. Before the cross Jesus spoke to his disciples as representatives of Israel for the present and future generation. Jesus also spoke only to the Gentiles.
Further look at Revelation 12:7
those who pierced him...Israel
the peoples of the earth...Gentiles
When you study revelation, after we see the Church in glory in chapter 4 & 5...from chapter 6:1 to 19:3 not mention is made of the Church, only Israel and Gentiles...just as Jesus said it would be at His second coming. In Rev. 19:4-21....his bride has made herself read...and we return with him, just as Zech 14:5 says.
Jerry I can't agree. It is not wise to apply Jesus teaching only to Israel. This is I believe a huge error. The disciples and apostles later became the church and lived by His teachings. They never said His teachings were only for the Jews, who rejected Him anyway. Consider also that John 14 is also spoken to Jewish disciples, yet that supposedly supports the Pre trib rapture?Second, John may have used the word, "saint" in the Revelation to avoid confusion with the 7 churches he addresses at the beginning. If he said, "church", everyone would wonder which of the 7 churches he was talking about. Plus, it agrees with Daniel, who uses the word "holy one" or saint (see Dan 7). The saints in the NT were Christians.Third, we go with Jesus to Jerusalem after He collects us from around the world. We accompany Him there. The Jews are rescued and believe on Jesus. They then populate the Age to Come, as Isa. 65 says. Hope that helps. God bless.
There is a salvation warning for believers taking away the words of THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST!
“And if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” Revelation 22:19
David Reagan and Ron Rhodes love the Lord with all their hearts.Yet, they're taking away from the Revelation of Jesus Christ when they teach the church will be taken to heaven before the Beast (Man of Sin) wars against the saints. (2 Thes. 2:1-4, Rev 13:5-7) For those insisting this is the truth, refusing to heed the conviction from the Holy Spirit to repent, God promises to take away their part in the Book of Life and the Holy City.
Prophecy Teacher Paul Bortolazzo
"Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day (of the Lord) will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed...(2 Thes. 2:3)
Our Lord is warning believers not to be deceived by anyone teaching His coming is drawing near, at any moment. We aren't to follow after such teachers because the Son of Man will not come back at any moment til AFTER the events of the Beginning of Sorrows and the Great Tribulation take place! (Mat. 24:4-8, 9-26)
Where in context does it say that Jesus can come at any time before the Great Tribulation?
Mike65809 The Tribulation was in fact the Roman invasion of Jerusalem in 70 AD. One million Jews were killed, there was famine which got so bad they started eating each other, they destroyed the Temple which meant the world to Judaism, and set fire to most of Jerusalem. The Jews that survived were taken captive. As Jesus said: This generation shall not pass until all things are fulfilled. He was talk about the 1st century generation, not the 21st.
The re-birth of the nation of Israel on May 1948 was the vindication of the Futurist interpretation of the Bible. This started the fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophecy to the mountains of Israel (Ez. 36-48). OT prophecy about Israel before Jesus' second coming are either fulfilled, in pre fulfillment or to be fulfilled. Peretist are in a state of denial of these facts to hold on to their non-literal interpretation of the Bible.
Preterism! I Can't Believe It
www.raptureready.com/rr-preterism.html
by Todd Strandberg
One of my key reasons for believing in the pre-tribulation rapture is the fact all other views are always trying to undermine pre-tribulationism. Up until now, the most vocal group of opponents has been the post-trib and pre-wrath folks. I'm amazed to find preterism now on the attack, gaining ground by mostly converting pre-tribbers.
What is preterism? This theory argues that all Bible prophecy has been fulfilled; it states that nothing remains on the prophetic calendar. According to preterism, events like the rise of the Antichrist, the tribulation, the rapture, and the Day of the Lord all took place around 70 AD, the year the Romans invaded Jerusalem and destroyed the second Temple.
I just cannot understand how anyone can follow a preterist line of thinking in light of current world events. As in many cases, pride is one of the most common reasons people begin following doctrinal error. They believe that they are part of a special group that has discovered a hidden truth. Never mind the fact that millions of people have joined them in supporting their folly.
Up until now, I've largely been ignoring preterism because it seemed equivalent to the Flat Earth Society. Well, I can't stand by and watch error run free, so it looks like I'm going to have to add preterism to the list of erroneous rapture views that I need to actively refute.
The heart of this error is based on Jesus' statement that "this generation shall not pass, till all things be fulfilled" (Mat 24:34). It seems easy enough to claim Jesus was speaking about a first-century generation; however, logic ends there when one contemplates the fulfillment of all Bible prophecy.
In order to make 70 AD the magic year, we would have to delete dozens of prophecies that were never fulfilled. When was the Gospel preached to all the nations? When was the Mark of the Beast implemented? What about China's 200-million-man army? When did 100-pound hailstones fall from the sky? And what date was it when the Euphrates River dried up?
The questions are endless.
Jerry Teets This proves what preterists are saying about you lot. You're constantly looking at current events and putting them into Bible prophecy. You're supposed to see what comes out of the Bible, not putting things into it. The modern day nation of Israel has got nothing to do with Bible prophecy. It was established by the pagan Khazars of eastern Europe who stole Palestinian land with the help of British/American imperialists. The Khazars only converted to Judaism as late as the 9th century (and they only converted for political reasons). They are not descendants of biblical Jews. Where do you find the Khazars in the Bible? You do not take the Bible literally. Bible prophecy was written in highly symbolic and figurative language. Are you waiting for a literal seven-headed beast to come out of the sea? The beast was the Roman Empire and the seven heads were the seven Caesars. The rapture was invented by Darby, an uneducated Zionist who did not understand Hebraic symbolism or Greek or Bible hermanuetics (interpretation). A girl in Scotland had a dream about flying into heaven and he went looking for verses in the Bible and misinterpreted Thessalonians. So a new Zionist cult was born. He found the word "rapture" in the Latin Vulgate Bible. It's funny how dispensationalists are always slagging off Roman Catholicism and yet they get their rapture word straight out of the Catholics' Bible.
We try and undermine the pre-tribulation rubbish because it's a dangerous cult. Just ask the Palestinians what they are going through because of your precious Israel. The true Israel of God is infact the Church. After 70 AD when the physical nation of Israel self-destructed, just like Jesus said they would (Matthew ch.24), it was the spiritual Israel (the Church) that restored the Kingdom of Heaven, again just as the New Testament said would happen. The spiritual Israel were those Jews who accepted Christ along with the gentiles who were "grafted" into Israel. In Revelation we see the heavenly Jerusalem, the Church, symbolically coming down from heaven. This happened in 70 AD. The Tribulation was from 66 to 70 AD (time of Jacob's Trouble). The anti-Christ was present in the 1st century ("we know the anti-Christ is among us"), in John's epistles. You will not find the anti-Christ in Revelation. The Day of the Lord happened in 70 AD. This is consistent with the Day of the Lord in the Old Testament, where one nation (Assyrians) were used to pass judgement (on Egypt) that where persecuting God's covenantal people (Hebrews). Jesus would have known about how judgement was passed in the Old Testament. He said to Caiaphas: "You shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Almighty and coming on the clouds of heaven". When this verse is translated into modern-day language you get something like: God has given me the authority to pass judgement on you and I'm coming back to destroy you (Old Covenant Jerusalem) in the afterlife. So the Romans were used to pass judgement on the Old Covenant Jews who were persecuting the Church that Christ founded (Old Covenant Jews were killing and persecuting Christians). This happened in 70 AD when the Son of Man spiritually destroyed the Temple, although the Romans destroyed it physically. Old Covenant Jerusalem was the Whore of Babylon. It was not Rome! Rome never had a covenantal relationship with God. Do you see how the preterist doctrine fits perfectly into place? It's not about discovering a "hidden truth". It's about interpreting the Bible by taking into account of what was going on at the time (this is audience relevance) eg. the book of Thessalonians was not written to you dispensationalists in the US for the 21st century. It was written to the 1st century Church in Thessaloniki. You are placing everything 2000 years into the future when the 1st century Christians were already under tribulation. Do you really believe the Apostles, who were under persecution, cared about a "cashless society" 2000 years into the future. The Gospel was in fact preached to the known world in the 1st century. Back then the "world" the Apostle Paul was referring to was the Roman Empire. It clearly tells you in the New Testament that the Gospel was preached the "world". The mark of the beast was when you had to swear your loyalty to the Roman Caesars who thought they were gods. You had to take the mark on your head (which symbolises your thoughts) and your hand (which symbolises you actions). This concept is found in the Old Testament. So in order to buy and sell you had to swear you allegence to the Caesars. The number of the beast was Caesar Nero (his name adds up to 666 in the Hebrew alphabet). Where on earth does it say China will invade with a 200 million army in the New Testament. This a classic example of how your average dispensationalist is unable to interpret the Bible and they are putting current events into the Bible. Why on earth would China want to invade Israel. This is madness! The one hundred pound hailstones were the rocks/boulders that the Romans catapulted into Jerusalem when they were outside the city walls. It felt like "hailstones" if you were inside the the city walls. The Euphrates river drying up, well I can't answer that but I can find out from this Bible scholar I listen to called William Bell. He understands all the Hebraic symbolism, he understands Greek, he understands audience relevance and many other things about the Bible. This is how I became a preterist. If you have any more questions then please ask as I want people to leave the dangerous cult of dispensationalism.
Oh my such diatribe. Ezekiel 37 said Israel would revive as a nation...this prophecy was fulfilled on May 1948. That comes from prophecy...not read into prophecy. We have Isaiah 17 and Ezekiel 38 & 39...when Damascus is destroyed and Israel is invaded by Russia backing a coalition of Muslim nations...get in touch with me and we will chat about this further. For now keep Romans 14 in mind on how you address your brothers and sisters in Christ on questionable matters.
Jerry Teets Wow, it looks like you've got WW3 already planned and ready to go. You dispensationalists "know things" the rest of us don't. So Muslims and Russias are going to invade this poxy little nation called Israel. Have you ever thought about getting a job in the UN as a peace envoy to the middle east?
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Can anyone give me a single scripture in context that teaches a Pre-tribulation rapture?
Mike65809 You will not find the pre-tribulation rapture in the Bible. It was invented by Darby in the 19th century after a girl in Scotland had a dream about flying into heaven. He went looking in the Scriptures for his "proof" and misinterpreted the book of Thessalonians, which was written to the 1st century church in Thessaloniki. Jesus returned in 70 AD in judgement against apostate Jerusalem, within that 1st century generation just like he said he would: "This generation shall not pass until all things are fulfilled".
Hi 70AD, thanks for your reply. I agree that there is no Pre-trib rapture in the Bible, but I think 70AD was a foreshadow of what is yet to come. Note that if the Christians had waited for the Abomination of desolation to occur to flee the city, (the worshiping of the Roman ensigns at the Easter Gate), then they would have starved or been killed, as the siege was coming to an end. Therefore, this is yet to come for its ultimate fulfillment. In know Luke says when they see the city surrounded by armies, then flee. Here we do see Jesus' warning for 70AD.
Mike65809 The problem with 70 AD being a foreshadow of a global tribulation is you have believe in something called dual-fulfillment which has been rejected by the scholars I listen to. The Old Testament was was a type or shadow of things go come, which were fulfilled in the New Testament. eg. 1st Exodus is when they were in the wilderness for 40 years coming out of the bondage of Egypt, was a type or shadow of the 2nd Exodus which was from 30 AD (crucifixion) to 70 AD (fall of Jerusalem) when they were coming out of the bondage of the Old Covenant of works and into the New Covenant of grace. A 40 year time gap again. Perfect agreement with the 1st Exodus. This was no coincidence, it was planned by God. I can give you other types and shadows of the Old which were fulfilled in the New but I think you get the picture.
PS: I'm not sure what the Abomination of Desolation is.
The truth of the Rapture is a mystery (1 Corin. 15:50-53) that was revealed to Paul by the ascended and glorified Jesus. The timing of the Rapture is found in Paul's letter to the Thessalonians 2:1-4.
---->Gathering together vs. 1--->time of the Lord Daniel 9:27-->| .....departure (apostasie) vs 3-->man of sin revealed--> Jesus returns
The events of the Rapture are described in 1 Thess. 4:13-5:11
Both Jesus and Paul instructed believers to watch and wait for Jesus to appear unexpectedly (Jesus -Matthew 24:43; Paul 1 Thess 1:10). The Christian is not looking for the appearance of the Anti-Christ or for the tribulation, but for the appearing of Jesus before these things happen.
J.N. Darby recovered these truths lost during the time the Church taught Replacement Theology. He found this during the time he was recovering injuries to his leg during a riding accident in 1827 and is found in his diary. Edward Irving and Margaret McDonald had not influence since they came after this time.
Margaret MacDonald Who?
Margaret MacDonald is not the mother of the pre-tribulation rapture
by Todd Strandberg
www.raptureready.com/rr-margaret-mcdonald.html
Did you even watch the above video??? it gave many verse's from the new testament & old testament.
Do any of your authorities walk in the gifts of the Spirit? There are nine active in Christians today...
Tonya Maxwell all your petty little arguments just reinforce the implausabilty of any rediculas bullshit ever happening. If youall have your heart set on the end of the world just try to start a war like everone else.
You know when Jesus said, " I go prepare a place for you. " Isn't he talking to his eleven disciples? He was not pertaining or talking to our generation now is he?
Robert Ocampo this is called preterism and it has been debunked 10 times over...
Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Has Michael stood up yet?
Daniel 12:13 But go thou thy way (Daniel) till the end be for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
To stand means to stand upon the earth in a body. I believe Michael has been born. However Michael has not received his anointing yet.
Micah 5:3 Therefore will he (Jesus) give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
Micah 5:4 And he (Michael) shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD (be anointed), in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.
Revelation 2:26 And he (Michael) that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Revelation 2:27 And he (Michael) shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
The following refers to Michael's birth on earth, his career on earth and his birth back into heaven.
Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
The dragon tries to devour Michael as soon as he is born into heaven. That is where the dragon is waiting to devour him. Then there is war in heaven and Michael cast the dragon to the earth.
Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation (Dan 12:1), and strength (Micah 5:4), and the kingdom of our God, and the power (Rev 2:26) of his Christ (anointed): for the accuser of our brethren is cast down (by Michael), which accused them before our God day and night.
Michael was born before the Revelation 12 sign.
Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
So no the rapture cannot happen at any time. Michael must be born (he was, see the sign of his birth in Stellarium on 7/27,1957), be anointed (very soon now), perform his earthly mission (Malachi 3) and be caught up. The rapture (of the 144,000 firstfruits) happens when Michael is caught up. Later Jesus sends Michael and his angels to gather the rest of the elect.
The Revelation 12 sign is speaking of Jesus. Michael is a archangel and is not born into the world. Michael does fight in the war in heaven when Satan shall be permanently shut out of Heaven. Until that time Satan goes to and from the earth and heaven. Consider Job when God ask Satan. “ have you considered my servant Job?” Jesus gave us signs to watch for His return and the uprising of the antichrist. Taking things out of the Bible and putting things in the Bible will absolutely bring upon you all of the plagues mentioned in the Bible. We are warned of this at the end of revelations. What you have just stated is nonsense. Please don’t lead people astray for you will answer for it before Jesus.
Jesus made it clear that no one knows the day or the hour of His coming, but that was to be "after the tribulation of those days" (see Matt 24). So after the tribulation He will return, and that's like a thief in the night, but no one knows when. That is a lot different than saying He can come back at any time in history.
Differences between the Rapture and the Second Coming
Rapture: Before the time of the Lord, 2 Thess 2:1-4. Revelation 4 & 5
2nd Coming: After Israel fulfills her seventieth seven - Daniel 9:27, Matthew 24 and Rev. 6-19 (only Israel and Gentiles mentioned).
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--->Rapture----> |3.5 yrs | 3.5 yrs| 2nd coming
Church age------| Israel and Gentiles|--->Millennium
Rapture: For the saints - 1 Thess 4:13-18
2nd Coming: With the saints - Rev. 19:6-21
Rapture: Before God's wrath - Thess 1:10
2nd Coming : After God's wrath - Matthew 24:
Rapture: Both a resurrection of the departed saints bodies and a translation of the living saints - 1 Corin. 15:50-53
2nd Coming: Resurrection only of the departed saints of OT and Tribulation, not of Church age saints: Rev. 20:4-6
Living will not receive glorified bodies. Gentiles will go to the Lamb and Goat Judgment - Matthew 25:31-46. Israel will be gathered to be judged and separate out the rebels - Matthew 24:30 & 31 and Ez. 20:35-38
Rapture: Saints will dwell in the New Jerusalem. Rev. 21 & 22
2nd Coming; Lambs and elect of Israel will repopulate the new earth and worship God in the new Jerusalem, renamed "The Lord is there" Isaiah 65:17-25 and Ez. 40-48.
Paul adds details that Jesus did not include, like the resurrection of the dead, which occurs at His coming. The both include the trumpet, Paul adds the shout of the archangel, etc. That does not mean there are two different events. To assume so is quite an assumption. You would think Paul, if teaching a different coming of our Lord than what He Himself taught, would have simply said so, but he didn't. He simply talked about His presence, or appearing, using the same Greek words Jesus did. God bless.
The Rapture is a mystery and not know in the OT. There are a number of difference:
Rapture- Allude to by Jesus in John 14, and in John and Peter's epistles, but found only in Pauline Epistles in fuller revelation.
Second Coming- Found in OT prophecies, Jesus' teaching and the Revelation
Rapture - It includes both resurrection and translation...both are caught up in the twinkle of the eye. They will be in glorified, incorruptible, immortal bodies.
Second Coming- Only a resurrection event. No translation, glorification or catching up of the living. Instead...they will go to judgment, for Gentiles to separate the Sheep from the Goats. For the elect (i.e. Israel) they will be taken to a place to pass under the rod to separate the rebels from the righteous (Rev 12:10 & 11). The living will go into the millennium and have children to re-populate the earth. Any who rebel will die before they reach 100 yrs old.
What is the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming?
www.gotquestions.org/difference-Rapture-Second-Coming.html
Jerry, according to most, Matt. 24 is written to the Jews. If you believe that, then so must be John 14, right? After all, he was "talking to Jews."Second, what happens in a twinkling of an eye is not the rapture, since the trumpet will sound, there will be the cry of the archangel, and the dead in Christ rise, then those remaining are caught up. That all takes some time, doesn't it? What happens in a twinkling of an eye is the transformation of the fleshly body to a resurrected heavenly one during the rapture event. This is the mystery Paul was referring to in context of 1 Cor. 15.Third, Have you ever considered that the Thessalonians were concerned about the fact that Jesus does not address what happens to those who have fallen asleep when He comes (as in Matt. 24), so Paul let them know that they need not grieve, since He will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep? This is a more consistent understanding of the coming of our Lord and why the Thessalonians were concerned - what about their loved ones.Fourth, The Jews according to Isaiah 65 are the ones who populate the coming age, not the lost. The Jews receive Jesus at His return (seems to me). The lost are destroyed according to 2Thess. 1:5-8, which you said is the 2nd coming, yet fail to see the rapture in the same scripture. "give you rest, along with us". Hope that helps, God bless.
I have already answered you from the Pauline epistles. The keys to understanding the Rapture is keeping Israel and the Church distinct in God's program. When this key is not understood...then text that are for Israel are applied to the Church (Olivet discourse) and visa versa (Replacement theology-no future for Israel).
Ezekiel 38 events will happen in the latter days. Don't that mean before Rapture?
Pre_tribulation is the correct one.
When we study Revelations with reference to the Book of Daniel, it is sure.
There are five positions on its timing....three are before the rapture, a gap after the rapture or during the tribulation. I take the position it is seven years before the tribulation based on Ez. 39:9 the time to take to burn the weapons and because Ezekiel's prophecy does not overlap Daniel's prophecy. This prophecy (which is for Israel) has no affect on the timing of the rapture (which is a mystery for the Church).
What about 2Thess. 1:5-8. When do the saints receive rest from their persecutions?
That will be at the second coming. Notice the focus is not on the Church but on "they" and "those"...the persecutors. They will continue to persecute after the Church is raptured...we know this because the Church is in glory when Seal 5 is opened (see Rev 6:9-11 and expanded in Rev 7, also Dan. 7:21 & 22 & Rev 13:7)...these are the tribulation saints that they persecute and kill (Rev 20:4 & 5)
Jerry please read the text carefully. Notice what the Thessalonians receive rest from their persecutors, and when the persecutors are destroyed.
LUKE 21:8 DESTROYS ALL OF THESE "IMMINENT" FASLE TEACHERS!
All those rich blokes...I did wonder how someone who gets their money from people who are desperate and vunerable.