Important work! Yes, we receive no wrath as Believers! Our coming "Snatching Away," by the Thief In the Night (Jesus!) is in keeping with His Promises!
@jonney tango Sounds like your VERY CONFUSED!.. 1ST COR 15V1. 4" TAKE IT TO ❤! (( don't through the baby out" with the bath Water) ROMANS 10V9. 1O" GODBLESS.
Jesus took that wrath on the cross on our behalf... it's the reason he died for us. Besides, Jesus doesn't want to let his bride get beat up before he takes her home...
If you earnestly asked and believe in your heart that Jesus died on the cross for your sins and rose alive again and you repent " turn away so sinful behavior " YOU ARE BORN AGAIN, FOREVER TO BE IN CHRIST JESUS! Remember that day, I was born again Jan 6, 1980. Listen to Jan Markel, Amir Tsarfati, Don Stewart, Chuck Missler, Jack Hibbs, be careful who you learn from. Assembly of God Churches, Calvary Chapels, make sure they teach Bible. STAY AWAY FROM (BETHEL/BILL JOHNSON)
Those asleep in the first century were the old testament saints that came out of the tombs. The dead in christ in our time are the elect that have been spiritual dead but are awakened by the outpouring of the spirit, the 144k. Those remaining will rise thru great tribulation, the great multitude or the bride who is purified from her pagan idolatry of trinity worship.
Exactly. The dead in Christ rise first. They receive their imortal bodies and rise first. Nothing ' Nothing' is impossible for God. Do we question what God is Capable of. If He can create Adam from dust, Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Scattered ashes would be Easy for the Creator of All things. Our Souls/ Spirits will receive their new imortal body. Soo looking forward to that day.. Blessings.
God created us, he can speak or even just think our DNA into existence again. Many dead have been completely destroyed in various ways God is able to recreate them 💖
Can you please tell us whT trumpet do you believe God is using for the rapture? Do you think its one of the trumpets he told Moses to make for the gathering of his people?
WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW --- ➤Daniel 11:20 Then shall stand up in his estate a "raiser of taxes" (Global Tax) in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle. LOOK HERE --- ➤21 And in his estate shall stand up a "vile person" (Antichrist / Satan, The False-messiah), to whom they shall not give the honor of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries - BEFORE THE END ---> We all who are alive will face the tribulation of Antichrist/son of perdition / Satan - 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2. Don't be scary cats to stand against Satan, fallen angels and his ratchet jaw minions - Luke 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish. - The 6th Trumpet (Rev. 9:13 "sixth angel '/ false-fake christ on the scene in Jerusalem, defacto - Rev. 6: 2" white horse "-> G5088; a bow - apparently as the simplest fabric), he comes before the 7th Trumpet. In the 7th, the true Christ appears and we in the twinkle of an eye turn / go into spiritual bodies, into God's kingdom -> (Rev. 11:15 "seventh angel '/ Rev. 19:11 "white horse" -> G3982; Faithful -objectively, trustworthy; subjectively, trustful: -believe (-ing, -r), faithful (-ly), sure, true. -> G227; True - truthful: -True.) By knowing this fact and the order of end-time event, Athicrist / satan is not tempting to you. Thus, you won't accept him as Messiah / God - 2 Thess. 2: 4. Satan / Lucifer will be here on earth in a total of 5 months -> (Hour of tribulation / temptation -> "flood of Genesis 150 days = 5 months = 1 hour of tribulation / temptation = testing" Rev. 3 : 10, Rev. 9, Mark -> 13:20 "Lord had shortened those days"; Matt. 24:22). False messiah's full rule of the world is 2 1/2 months, in the second part of the 5 months (Rev. 8). - Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field (The field is the world - Matt. 13:38); the one shall be taken -> (taken in deception; false/fake doctrine), and the other left -> (left working for God in the field unto the end, the same shall be saved - Matt. 24:13) .. ... 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken -> (taken in Satan's rapture @ 6th Trumpet. True Christ comes at the 7th Trumpet - Rev. 11:15), and the other left (Matt. 24:13). -> 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour -> (hour of Satan's tribulation / temptation - 2 Thess. 2: 3-4) your Lord doth come ---> Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. - Son of perdition/satan's "rapture" (false/fake doctrine, satan's deception) at 6th Trumpet - Rev. 9:13, it is actually "God's wrath" on those who don't listen what the scriptures state that Satan comes first before the great day of the Lord. And if one accepts Satan as God / Christ - 2 Thess. 2: 3-4, this is what they will get at Christ's 7th Trumpet - Rev. 11:15; God's wrath -> Psalm 60: 3; Psalm 75: 8; Isaiah 51:17; Isaiah 51:22; Jeremiah 25:15; Obadiah 16; Revelation 14:10 - If God never meant for us to go through AntiChrist / false messiah/satan's tribulation, He wouldn't bother to write scriptures that many are ignoring. To be sure if the "rapture" occurred and/or Christ's kingdom came to be, we will be in the spiritual bodies. If you pinch yourself and it still hurts then it's not Christ but in fact, son of perdition / Satan standing in Jerusalem on Temple mount claiming to be God / Christ Jesus - 2 Thess. the whole Chapter 2
@IYearn4HisReturn I think bits more how it’s looked at it as stated in the video. I have a video from the Lutheran church that has the opposite view. And It really doesn’t matter to me, as I a lost without Christ. I just want to be with Him, to finally have all of my unrighteousness made known and to be cleansed from . It also seems to be a topic that really involves a lot of study which I don’t have that time, at least at the moment. I may have to make the time; about rapture the millennium etc.
@IYearn4HisReturn it would be very informative. I am not a scholar by any means and that’s what debates are for, to inform ppl. It would be helpful to me
The gospel is the gospel of the kingdom! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah died for his people! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people at his coming! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Matt 24 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
@@johnharrington6122 Nope, that is not true. What is REALLY SAD is to see how Christians like you put on racial blinders and not willing to listen to others. This is probably my last response to you. God bless.
Mabye it has to do with robes of rightiousness be slow to anger and dont argue we are all brothers and sisters here if someone says something offensive tell them it was calmly
John Chuck Missler said using correct wording is very important, thus Daniel spoke to " ISRAEL " he did not speak to the " BODY OF CHRIST "(church) and again thus using correct words - Jacobs Sorrow is the correct and stop using " Tribulation " which allows the Father of Confusion to weaken the faith of the believers Amen !
Jacobs Trouble sorrows the last 3 1/2 years of the tribulation. There are 7 yrs tribulation. For remission of sin for Israel 7 yrs remain of 7x7 per Daniels prophecy in book of Daniel.
The closest translation of the original Greek from the scrolls ! All others will make small but impactful inserts that can change the true meaning of the text , even the NKJV does !
I don't think that Jesus is comming again in a human body. Jesus left and went into the cloud. The cloud was and is His former glory. Jesus is with His church and is in the church. I am a believer and and believe Jesus is in me, present, now, not waiting for Jesus to come in the future. Jesus has already come again, and again, and again. Never left us.
@@darlenewilliams1920 - the doctrine and interpretation is false, not the bible! Not sure how you interpreted my comment to mean that the bible is false? Yes, we can agree to disagree but the pre-trib rapture is a very dangerous doctrine straight from the devil. Many Christians will be deceived and lose faith when the tribulations hits them and Jesus hasn’t yet returned. Many will take the mark of the beast, many unknowingly! The majority is ALWAYS wrong.
Not sure about that premill argument. Dr Walter Martin didn’t believe it and the church fathers and reformers didn’t believe it. I sure hope it is but given the study from Dr Walter Martin I don’t believe it to be the case.
Could it be possible that the the rider on the white horse isn't carrying a bow as a weapon. Could it be a bow like a rainbow. Just wondering because he comes with a covenant, with Israel while the first mention of a bow was a sign of a covenant with the world
@@elizabethguenther7319 I'm thinking "as Lord" not politician. He came humble once and will come as Lord once. the sword comes out of his mouth which is emblematic of the power of the Word of God. He never begged anyone to repent and neither will he when he returns. The day of the Lord is a 1000 year event leading to the judgment of all beings angel and man. Many don't realize that God is also being judged "righteous" for every knee will bow and every tongue will confess he is Lord and his judgments are true. Even the devil himself.
Sorry I was thinking about the "other white horse and rider" and missed your clear statement of the four horsemen. The question of the first horseman in the four horseman being the Lord is perhaps best answered in the second horseman which is red and "takes peace from the earth" and he has a great sword and people are killing each other. Since the passage does not say they rode out together then it is likely they rode out sequentially. Then the key phrase is peace. The first rider would have given, created and or brought peace and that is not a trait of the Antichrist. The first rider is a conqueror but not apparently a killer and the question then must focus on what or who is being conquered. So a clear reference to him being of the spirit of Antichrist is missing. The second and forth horses are killers and the 3rd horse is supposedly tied to famines as per measuring of grains or food stuffs and we know that famines kill in a broad sense. Horses 2, 3 and 4 can readily be tied to a sense of Antichrist and by association the first could be as well but you would have to bring other scripture to bear to make this passage clear in that sense. IMOP.
I love listening to you guys talk about this but there is another theory though that says the the seals began to be opened back when John was writing the book of revelation and Matthew 24 has been going on since john's time
The End Time Ministries group believes that and they also interpret Revelation to say that America will not be part of the antichrist kingdom and will defend Israel up to the battle of armagedfon
@@SurLaMer_ ,,,Michell Shifflet Mathew 24 Jesus spoke to JEWS ( the church did not exist) 2 years after Jesus spoke to the JEWS Then Jesus appeared to PAUL and told Paul that the church would be in heaven (1 Thes 4) THEN ONLY WOULD JESUS RETURN TO THE JEWS AND ,,,MATHEW 24,,,(THE TRIBULATION ,,,) CAN START ! and the JEWS EYES BE OPENED AND SEE THEIR MESSIAH JESUS....
@@youraveragejoe123 God loves those, who stubbornly rejected His Pardon through His Sons Sacrifice during the CHURCH AGE ( age of grace ) Therefore God allows the Tribulation to "wake up" these stubborn people and INNUMERABLE MULTITUDE go to heaven ,even while they are being killed ,,for making JESUS THEIR KING ! GODS MERCY IS EVIDENT THROUGHOUT TRIBULATION !
@@youraveragejoe123 The parable of the workers in the vineyard Someone who served God for 60 years or another only 1 day BOTH GET THE SAME IN THE END "ETERNAL LIFE " HOWEVER "REWARDS at the BEMA seat are dependent on your works and are ,judged by the " INTENT " of the heart ! All works will be tested by ,,fire,, those who worked with the wrong motive will have only a few ,,ashes , after the fire Others will end up with gold and precious stones..
Oh, dearest Dustin, it is true, these men spelled it out perfectly. Please don't embrace hatred for God. Instead, embrace His offer of eternity with Him by believing Jesus paid your ransom with His blood. Don't be left on the wrong side....the rapture is exactly what these men said
@@KDbbasm There is a second coming of Christ that is indisputable. Many in "rapture theory" say they don't want to be left behind but they want to be taken. Read the verse Matthew 24:28 "..where the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered" that is certainly not a place of bliss. Eagles in this instance equates to vultures. Vultures eat carrion is that where you really want to be taken? Rapture as such only became a teaching in the 1800's. Until then it was the "second coming" and only in one second coming not a two part series. It is a false teaching to destroy peoples faith. Accounts I have read said before the communists took over in China Chinese Christians were told the rapture would occur before God would allow China to become communist. It was a false teaching that caused many to turn their back on God. Rev ch 20 says only those who have been martyred will experience the first resurrection and rule and reign with Christ. Scripture does not argue with itself but the devil started man's corruption journey with "did God truly say?" Pre Trib rapture is a deceptive teaching from many angles.
@@dustinpotter8312 Forgive my late reply; weather concerns have had my attention. Jesus commanded that we "love one another as I have loved you". So I will do that and say my brief rebuttal in love. Instead of writing a long treatise I've decided to list brilliant folks who all respond to your very concerns. Please listen to Chuck Missler if no one else on the list; his credentials are indisputable. The list is in no special order: Chuck Missler (brilliant) Amir Tsarfati Barry Stagner Jan Markel JD Farag Jack Hibbs Billy (?) Crone Don Stewart (brilliant) Michele Bachman Derek Prince This is not an exhaustive list but a fine start. Although many believers have been martyred "at the hands of MANKIND" throughout all the ages. Other believers have been "raptured" and/or saved out of "GODS judgment to mankind". Enoch "caught up" before the flood. Noah protected from flood (his earthbound situation was necessary to repopulate the earth after God destroyed mankind) otherwise you know he and his family would have been caught up. The early church expected the " Blessed Hope" being raptured. (if you give that solid thought you see it's a fine thing to always have that hope) Notice in Revelation 4:1 after Jesus instructs John to message the seven churches John sees a door open in heaven, hears the voice like a trumpet, and immediately in the throne room. (this is typology of the rapture) note the church is not mentioned again until its return with Jesus at His second coming on white horses to the mount of Olives at the end of the book. Note immediately in the throne room John witness the Seal, Trumpet, and Bowl judgements that befall the earth. The tribulation is the time of Jacob's (Israel's) Sorrow not the churches. The tribulation is primarily Gods dealing with Isreal where his remnant will eventually be saved after much suffering. Unsaved gentiles also will hear the Gospel from the Two Witnesss, the 144,000 Israelis preaching, and the Angel that flies in mid heavens over the earth preaching salvation. They will suffer martyrdom at the hands of mankind. You know we are His bride and I'm quite sure He will not let His bride be beat and bloodied in Gods wrath prior to His gathering her to their wedding....which last seven days in historical Jewish weddings. I refuse to dialog bitterly and aggressively with anyone about the things of my Beautiful God. I will love my brethren. Please make this effort to check online archives of all these people. Missler is great. Please, Dustin, don't miss the rapture.
@@KDbbasm Thank you for your earnest endeavor and the list you offered I only know a few of. But the Lord has not dealt with me so. I have read the accounts of missionaries who saw what "predicting rapture" did to people in China. There are things people just don't understand about the Second Coming. It was not a "church doctrine" until the early to mid 1800's. It's church history. Enoch may be called translated/raptured but most of the OT prophets suffered brutality and execution for their faith. The same holds true for the early NT church and we are not better than them. I consider those that teach tribulation is for the Jews only forget the verse that says you are a Jew "inwardly" not outwardly and that the "elect" includes Christians and Jews. Christ only comes back once and that is at the last trump and after the great tribulation. I think it a travesty so many are ready to cut and run but do nothing to prepare those whom they know will be left behind (not saying you it's just a church practice that lacks malice but is still a practice). If I should live so long I believe the Lord is preparing me and my children to face the greatest trial our faith could endure because god will not leave them without some form of shepard. As well many teach that those that are raptured will return and rule and reign with Christ during the millennium but Revelation 20 says only those who have been martyred will reign with him. Only they will experience the first resurrection. Some claim the verse "and so shall we ever be with the Lord" but that does not mean we will rule and reign with him for a thousand years. The thief on the cross next to Christ ended up in paradise that day but I doubt that meant he would rule and reign with Christ during the millennium. Many have died via disease, war, accident and went all the way to old age as very faithful people but they do not get the distinction of ruling and reigning during the millennium with Christ. In Revelation too you will find the statement about the second resurrection and people in that resurrection will be judged and some go to heaven and some go to hell. Who are those who are resurrected in the second resurrection and go to heaven? Wy didn't they rule and reign with Jesus? How are they judged? Do they know Jesus? If not how are they "saved" from destruction. These are all things a person must consider. Sadly another consideration is the millions who have called themselves Christian who will go to hell because the Lord "never knew them." When people say saved, which is definitely something that starts here, do they know when that salvation is realized and finalized? In the OT I'm pretty sure I've read it but I know without doubt I have in the NT. It's in "that day." What day? The day of the Lord for he brings judgment with him but the day of the Lord is a thousand year reign and when it is over heaven and earth pass away and cannot be found but the great white throne of judgment will be and then the judgment of all who have remained "dead." Get their final appointment. While Jesus preached he said some who thought they were entitled to enter heaven won't and he uses the word many and as for entering heaven he says few will find the path. The spirit of Antichrist was in the world in the time of John the 'revelator and has learned to preach rather convincingly. As the prophecy goes (paraphrased)."They will not endure sound doctrine so the Lord shall send great delusion among them and they shall heap to themselves teachers having itching ears. Those with itching ears are in the church. I pray for them. But thank you for sharing.
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What a great program!!!
Wonderful presentation of the blessed hope of the Church. Not pie in the sky, but firm Bible promises. Praise God.
Important work! Yes, we receive no wrath as Believers! Our coming "Snatching Away," by the Thief In the Night (Jesus!) is in keeping with His Promises!
I agree 👍
@jonney tango
Sounds like your VERY
CONFUSED!..
1ST COR 15V1. 4"
TAKE IT TO ❤!
(( don't through the baby out" with the bath
Water)
ROMANS 10V9. 1O"
GODBLESS.
Jesus took that wrath on the cross on our behalf... it's the reason he died for us. Besides, Jesus doesn't want to let his bride get beat up before he takes her home...
Amazing teachings. Praise be to God.
Amen amen bless the Lord amen hallelujah
Very good introduction to and exposition of the doctrine of the rapture.
Excellent contents! Thank you for explaining each point of view.
Dear Lord 🙏 pls for give my sins and saved me by your Mercy
If you earnestly asked and believe in your heart that Jesus died on the cross for your sins and rose alive again and you repent " turn away so sinful behavior " YOU ARE BORN AGAIN, FOREVER TO BE IN CHRIST JESUS!
Remember that day, I was born again Jan 6, 1980.
Listen to Jan Markel, Amir Tsarfati, Don Stewart, Chuck Missler, Jack Hibbs, be careful who you learn from. Assembly of God Churches, Calvary Chapels, make sure they teach Bible. STAY AWAY FROM (BETHEL/BILL JOHNSON)
He already has. Christ IN YOU is the hope of glory.
Praise the Lord with this messages we are able to stay closer to the Lord thank God please come soon Lord.
I share your videos with friends and family in the hope that It gives them the further encouragement about what our Lord promises!
Maranatha!
Please come quickly Lord, Jesus Christ. The world is extremely frustrating, foolish, and nonsensical. Eyes wide open for the rapture of the church.🙄
The trumpet of God. The sound of his voice hearing for the believers. ! HALLELUJAH
Yup, Excellent discussions on the Blessed Hope, The Rapture. Titus2:13.!
Scriptures Rightly Divided.! 2Timothy2:15.!!
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Great series
Pre/mid /post rapture
Whatever first of all we have to ready for Jesus
Thank you.
Very good sir
The rapture is the sovereign act of God.
I ike what one of the panelists is saying '' Come to Christ while there's Time and Hope.
Those asleep in the first century were the old testament saints that came out of the tombs. The dead in christ in our time are the elect that have been spiritual dead but are awakened by the outpouring of the spirit, the 144k. Those remaining will rise thru great tribulation, the great multitude or the bride who is purified from her pagan idolatry of trinity worship.
Breakfast Lunch and Dinner what a meal.
Excellent work! Thank you! What happens to those dead in Christ that were cremated? What will happen to them?
Exactly. The dead in Christ rise first. They receive their imortal bodies and rise first. Nothing ' Nothing' is impossible for God. Do we question what God is Capable of. If He can create Adam from dust, Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Scattered ashes would be Easy for the Creator of All things. Our Souls/ Spirits will receive their new imortal body. Soo looking forward to that day.. Blessings.
God created us, he can speak or even just think our DNA into existence again. Many dead have been completely destroyed in various ways God is able to recreate them 💖
God even said for DUST you are and ash is sort of like dust
Its very exciting.......have a very incredible question.....Matthew 27:50-53......did those saints get Raptured......♡tony
Can you please tell us whT trumpet do you believe God is using for the rapture? Do you think its one of the trumpets he told Moses to make for the gathering of his people?
Could be , but it will be special !
I think it might be the first trumpet of revelation no matter waht Jesus is coming
WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW --- ➤Daniel 11:20 Then shall stand up in his estate a "raiser of taxes" (Global Tax) in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.
LOOK HERE --- ➤21 And in his estate shall stand up a "vile person" (Antichrist / Satan, The False-messiah), to whom they shall not give the honor of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries
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BEFORE THE END ---> We all who are alive will face the tribulation of Antichrist/son of perdition / Satan - 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2. Don't be scary cats to stand against Satan, fallen angels and his ratchet jaw minions - Luke 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
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The 6th Trumpet (Rev. 9:13 "sixth angel '/ false-fake christ on the scene in Jerusalem, defacto - Rev. 6: 2" white horse "-> G5088; a bow - apparently as the simplest fabric), he comes before the 7th Trumpet. In the 7th, the true Christ appears and we in the twinkle of an eye turn / go into spiritual bodies, into God's kingdom -> (Rev. 11:15 "seventh angel '/ Rev. 19:11 "white horse" -> G3982; Faithful -objectively, trustworthy; subjectively, trustful: -believe (-ing, -r), faithful (-ly), sure, true. -> G227; True - truthful: -True.) By knowing this fact and the order of end-time event, Athicrist / satan is not tempting to you. Thus, you won't accept him as Messiah / God - 2 Thess. 2: 4. Satan / Lucifer will be here on earth in a total of 5 months -> (Hour of tribulation / temptation -> "flood of Genesis 150 days = 5 months = 1 hour of tribulation / temptation = testing" Rev. 3 : 10, Rev. 9, Mark -> 13:20 "Lord had shortened those days"; Matt. 24:22). False messiah's full rule of the world is 2 1/2 months, in the second part of the 5 months (Rev. 8).
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Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field (The field is the world - Matt. 13:38); the one shall be taken -> (taken in deception; false/fake doctrine), and the other left -> (left working for God in the field unto the end, the same shall be saved - Matt. 24:13) .. ...
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken -> (taken in Satan's rapture @ 6th Trumpet. True Christ comes at the 7th Trumpet - Rev. 11:15), and the other left (Matt. 24:13).
-> 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour -> (hour of Satan's tribulation / temptation - 2 Thess. 2: 3-4) your Lord doth come ---> Revelation 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
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Son of perdition/satan's "rapture" (false/fake doctrine, satan's deception) at 6th Trumpet - Rev. 9:13, it is actually "God's wrath" on those who don't listen what the scriptures state that Satan comes first before the great day of the Lord. And if one accepts Satan as God / Christ - 2 Thess. 2: 3-4, this is what they will get at Christ's 7th Trumpet - Rev. 11:15; God's wrath -> Psalm 60: 3; Psalm 75: 8; Isaiah 51:17; Isaiah 51:22; Jeremiah 25:15; Obadiah 16; Revelation 14:10
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If God never meant for us to go through AntiChrist / false messiah/satan's tribulation, He wouldn't bother to write scriptures that many are ignoring. To be sure if the "rapture" occurred and/or Christ's kingdom came to be, we will be in the spiritual bodies. If you pinch yourself and it still hurts then it's not Christ but in fact, son of perdition / Satan standing in Jerusalem on Temple mount claiming to be God / Christ Jesus - 2 Thess. the whole Chapter 2
I would like to see John Engelberg host a debate pro and con for the rapture
@IYearn4HisReturn I think bits more how it’s looked at it as stated in the video. I have a video from the Lutheran church that has the opposite view. And It really doesn’t matter to me, as I a lost without Christ. I just want to be with Him, to finally have all of my unrighteousness made known and to be cleansed from . It also seems to be a topic that really involves a lot of study which I don’t have that time, at least at the moment. I may have to make the time; about rapture the millennium etc.
@IYearn4HisReturn it would be very informative. I am not a scholar by any means and that’s what debates are for, to inform ppl. It would be helpful to me
@IYearn4HisReturn ok thanks. I really didn’t know there were debates on the topic. Thanks for the info
What should i do if ever doubt God
The gospel is the gospel of the kingdom!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah died for his people! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people at his coming! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Matt 24
14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
Jesus won't let his bride get beat up before he takes her home...
Jesus and all the angels are presented as "white" - lily white - all of them! Hmmm!!
If they were black, would that satisfy critical race theory ?
@@johnharrington6122 Hmmm - you are showing your true colors, Christian man. 🤗🤝🕎♎🙋♂️🤔
@@rnjan99 ,all you’re doing is trolling people , so sad !
@@johnharrington6122 Nope, that is not true. What is REALLY SAD is to see how Christians like you put on racial blinders and not willing to listen to others.
This is probably my last response to you.
God bless.
Mabye it has to do with robes of rightiousness be slow to anger and dont argue we are all brothers and sisters here if someone says something offensive tell them it was calmly
So how could Paul still be ALIVE 2k years later? Was the coming in the 1st century or on the 3rd day? Huuumm? Why didn't Paul say THOSE who are alive?
John Chuck Missler said using correct wording is very important, thus Daniel spoke to " ISRAEL " he did not speak to the " BODY OF CHRIST "(church) and again thus using correct words - Jacobs Sorrow is the correct and stop using " Tribulation " which allows the Father of Confusion to weaken the faith of the believers Amen !
Jacobs Trouble sorrows the last 3 1/2 years of the tribulation. There are 7 yrs tribulation. For remission of sin for Israel 7 yrs remain of 7x7 per Daniels prophecy in book of Daniel.
Using only the King James Version? Why??
The closest translation of the original Greek from the scrolls ! All others will make small but impactful inserts that can change the true meaning of the text , even the NKJV does !
@@johnharrington6122 You have not answered my question: Using only the King James Version? Why??
@@rnjan99 , you can’t read ?
@@johnharrington6122 Bless you, dear brother. Numbers 6:24-26. (Choose any version to read this from).
It's the most accurate translation to original manuscripts. Relax, others ranslations aren't as perfect, it merely makes good sense to use the best.
I don't think that Jesus is comming again in a human body. Jesus left and went into the cloud. The cloud was and is His former glory. Jesus is with His church and is in the church. I am a believer and and believe Jesus is in me, present, now, not waiting for Jesus to come in the future. Jesus has already come again, and again, and again. Never left us.
Look for his second coming.
Let's look for the rapture first
@@darlenewilliams1920 - lol, so he’s coming 3 times? Pre-trib rapture is a false, unbiblical doctrine.
@@Matthew24.4 we can agree to disagree, and we will see wont we. The Bible is not false
@@darlenewilliams1920 - the doctrine and interpretation is false, not the bible!
Not sure how you interpreted my comment to mean that the bible is false?
Yes, we can agree to disagree but the pre-trib rapture is a very dangerous doctrine straight from the devil. Many Christians will be deceived and lose faith when the tribulations hits them and Jesus hasn’t yet returned. Many will take the mark of the beast, many unknowingly!
The majority is ALWAYS wrong.
@@Matthew24.4 like I said we will see. I completly, whole heartedly and knowingly disagree
How are you going to join a body that’s been cremated naturally or in in naturally. ?
Not sure about that premill argument. Dr Walter Martin didn’t believe it and the church fathers and reformers didn’t believe it. I sure hope it is but given the study from Dr Walter Martin I don’t believe it to be the case.
Could it be possible that the the rider on the white horse isn't carrying a bow as a weapon. Could it be a bow like a rainbow. Just wondering because he comes with a covenant, with Israel while the first mention of a bow was a sign of a covenant with the world
Wrong sign for the covenant
Coming as a politician, not a warrior at first. No arrow, only the bow.
@@elizabethguenther7319 I'm thinking "as Lord" not politician. He came humble once and will come as Lord once. the sword comes out of his mouth which is emblematic of the power of the Word of God. He never begged anyone to repent and neither will he when he returns. The day of the Lord is a 1000 year event leading to the judgment of all beings angel and man. Many don't realize that God is also being judged "righteous" for every knee will bow and every tongue will confess he is Lord and his judgments are true. Even the devil himself.
This first white horse, one of the 4 horsemen, is not Christ. It is the anti-Christ.
Sorry I was thinking about the "other white horse and rider" and missed your clear statement of the four horsemen. The question of the first horseman in the four horseman being the Lord is perhaps best answered in the second horseman which is red and "takes peace from the earth" and he has a great sword and people are killing each other. Since the passage does not say they rode out together then it is likely they rode out sequentially. Then the key phrase is peace. The first rider would have given, created and or brought peace and that is not a trait of the Antichrist. The first rider is a conqueror but not apparently a killer and the question then must focus on what or who is being conquered. So a clear reference to him being of the spirit of Antichrist is missing. The second and forth horses are killers and the 3rd horse is supposedly tied to famines as per measuring of grains or food stuffs and we know that famines kill in a broad sense. Horses 2, 3 and 4 can readily be tied to a sense of Antichrist and by association the first could be as well but you would have to bring other scripture to bear to make this passage clear in that sense. IMOP.
I love listening to you guys talk about this but there is another theory though that says the the seals began to be opened back when John was writing the book of revelation and Matthew 24 has been going on since john's time
The End Time Ministries group believes that and they also interpret Revelation to say that America will not be part of the antichrist kingdom and will defend Israel up to the battle of armagedfon
@@SurLaMer_ ,,,Michell Shifflet
Mathew 24 Jesus spoke to JEWS ( the church did not exist)
2 years after Jesus spoke to the JEWS Then Jesus appeared to PAUL and told Paul that the church would be in heaven (1 Thes 4) THEN ONLY WOULD JESUS RETURN TO THE JEWS AND ,,,MATHEW 24,,,(THE TRIBULATION ,,,) CAN START ! and the JEWS EYES BE OPENED AND SEE THEIR MESSIAH JESUS....
@Shane Guillory in some editions it says congregation and others assemble
@@youraveragejoe123
God loves those, who stubbornly rejected His Pardon through His Sons Sacrifice during the CHURCH AGE ( age of grace )
Therefore God allows the Tribulation to "wake up" these stubborn people and INNUMERABLE MULTITUDE go to heaven ,even while they are being killed ,,for making JESUS THEIR KING !
GODS MERCY IS EVIDENT THROUGHOUT TRIBULATION !
@@youraveragejoe123
The parable of the workers in the vineyard
Someone who served God for 60 years or another only 1 day BOTH GET THE SAME IN THE END "ETERNAL LIFE "
HOWEVER "REWARDS at the BEMA seat are dependent on your works and are ,judged by the " INTENT " of the heart !
All works will be tested by ,,fire,, those who worked with the wrong motive will have only a few ,,ashes , after the fire Others will end up with gold and precious stones..
Not true
True !
Oh, dearest Dustin, it is true, these men spelled it out perfectly. Please don't embrace hatred for God. Instead, embrace His offer of eternity with Him by believing Jesus paid your ransom with His blood. Don't be left on the wrong side....the rapture is exactly what these men said
@@KDbbasm There is a second coming of Christ that is indisputable. Many in "rapture theory" say they don't want to be left behind but they want to be taken. Read the verse Matthew 24:28 "..where the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered" that is certainly not a place of bliss. Eagles in this instance equates to vultures. Vultures eat carrion is that where you really want to be taken? Rapture as such only became a teaching in the 1800's. Until then it was the "second coming" and only in one second coming not a two part series. It is a false teaching to destroy peoples faith. Accounts I have read said before the communists took over in China Chinese Christians were told the rapture would occur before God would allow China to become communist. It was a false teaching that caused many to turn their back on God. Rev ch 20 says only those who have been martyred will experience the first resurrection and rule and reign with Christ. Scripture does not argue with itself but the devil started man's corruption journey with "did God truly say?" Pre Trib rapture is a deceptive teaching from many angles.
@@dustinpotter8312
Forgive my late reply; weather concerns have had my attention. Jesus commanded that we "love one another as I have loved you". So I will do that and say my brief rebuttal in love.
Instead of writing a long treatise I've decided to list brilliant folks who all respond to your very concerns. Please listen to Chuck Missler if no one else on the list; his credentials are indisputable.
The list is in no special order:
Chuck Missler (brilliant)
Amir Tsarfati
Barry Stagner
Jan Markel
JD Farag
Jack Hibbs
Billy (?) Crone
Don Stewart (brilliant)
Michele Bachman
Derek Prince
This is not an exhaustive list but a fine start. Although many believers have been martyred "at the hands of MANKIND" throughout all the ages. Other believers have been "raptured" and/or saved out of "GODS judgment to mankind".
Enoch "caught up" before the flood. Noah protected from flood (his earthbound situation was necessary to repopulate the earth after God destroyed mankind) otherwise you know he and his family would have been caught up. The early church expected the " Blessed Hope" being raptured. (if you give that solid thought you see it's a fine thing to always have that hope)
Notice in Revelation 4:1 after Jesus instructs John to message the seven churches John sees a door open in heaven, hears the voice like a trumpet, and immediately in the throne room. (this is typology of the rapture) note the church is not mentioned again until its return with Jesus at His second coming on white horses to the mount of Olives at the end of the book. Note immediately in the throne room John witness the Seal, Trumpet, and Bowl judgements that befall the earth. The tribulation is the time of Jacob's (Israel's) Sorrow not the churches. The tribulation is primarily Gods dealing with Isreal where his remnant will eventually be saved after much suffering. Unsaved gentiles also will hear the Gospel from the Two Witnesss, the 144,000 Israelis preaching, and the Angel that flies in mid heavens over the earth preaching salvation. They will suffer martyrdom at the hands of mankind.
You know we are His bride and I'm quite sure He will not let His bride be beat and bloodied in Gods wrath prior to His gathering her to their wedding....which last seven days in historical Jewish weddings.
I refuse to dialog bitterly and aggressively with anyone about the things of my Beautiful God. I will love my brethren. Please make this effort to check online archives of all these people. Missler is great. Please, Dustin, don't miss the rapture.
@@KDbbasm Thank you for your earnest endeavor and the list you offered I only know a few of. But the Lord has not dealt with me so. I have read the accounts of missionaries who saw what "predicting rapture" did to people in China. There are things people just don't understand about the Second Coming. It was not a "church doctrine" until the early to mid 1800's. It's church history. Enoch may be called translated/raptured but most of the OT prophets suffered brutality and execution for their faith. The same holds true for the early NT church and we are not better than them. I consider those that teach tribulation is for the Jews only forget the verse that says you are a Jew "inwardly" not outwardly and that the "elect" includes Christians and Jews. Christ only comes back once and that is at the last trump and after the great tribulation. I think it a travesty so many are ready to cut and run but do nothing to prepare those whom they know will be left behind (not saying you it's just a church practice that lacks malice but is still a practice). If I should live so long I believe the Lord is preparing me and my children to face the greatest trial our faith could endure because god will not leave them without some form of shepard. As well many teach that those that are raptured will return and rule and reign with Christ during the millennium but Revelation 20 says only those who have been martyred will reign with him. Only they will experience the first resurrection. Some claim the verse "and so shall we ever be with the Lord" but that does not mean we will rule and reign with him for a thousand years. The thief on the cross next to Christ ended up in paradise that day but I doubt that meant he would rule and reign with Christ during the millennium. Many have died via disease, war, accident and went all the way to old age as very faithful people but they do not get the distinction of ruling and reigning during the millennium with Christ. In Revelation too you will find the statement about the second resurrection and people in that resurrection will be judged and some go to heaven and some go to hell. Who are those who are resurrected in the second resurrection and go to heaven? Wy didn't they rule and reign with Jesus? How are they judged? Do they know Jesus? If not how are they "saved" from destruction. These are all things a person must consider. Sadly another consideration is the millions who have called themselves Christian who will go to hell because the Lord "never knew them." When people say saved, which is definitely something that starts here, do they know when that salvation is realized and finalized? In the OT I'm pretty sure I've read it but I know without doubt I have in the NT. It's in "that day." What day? The day of the Lord for he brings judgment with him but the day of the Lord is a thousand year reign and when it is over heaven and earth pass away and cannot be found but the great white throne of judgment will be and then the judgment of all who have remained "dead." Get their final appointment. While Jesus preached he said some who thought they were entitled to enter heaven won't and he uses the word many and as for entering heaven he says few will find the path. The spirit of Antichrist was in the world in the time of John the 'revelator and has learned to preach rather convincingly. As the prophecy goes (paraphrased)."They will not endure sound doctrine so the Lord shall send great delusion among them and they shall heap to themselves teachers having itching ears. Those with itching ears are in the church. I pray for them. But thank you for sharing.
RAPTURE IS A MYTH.....OUR LORD IS COMING ONLY ONCE AND FOR ALL HUMANITY
Comfort yourself with those words brother 😊
Oh and maybe read your Bible and you can learn that this is not true.
And if you're wrong?
@@karinecarde1254
rapture is sth 200 years old that sb told you about it....you didn t read it in any bible....god bless you
@@jasperstephens9333
the bible does not say about any ''get away solution''....tribulation is here and now....untill the end.....