Using Charcoal, Salt & Iron To Make Files, Reamers & Saws
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- #antikytheramechanism
Hey folks,
What can a single Antikythera mechanism component tell us about the cutting tools of the day? Time for a deep dive, do please enjoy!
Cheers,
Chris.
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References/Further Reading:
The Front Dial of the Antikythera Mechanism by Michael T. Wright: hist.science.on...
THE ANTIKYTHERA MECHANISM AND THE EARLY HISTORY OF THE MOON-PHASE DISPLAY
by M.T. Wright: hist.science.fr...
Wright, M T. (July 2002). "In the Steps of the Master Mechanic". Proc. Conf. Ancient Greece and the Modern World. Ancient Olympiai. pp. 86-97. University of Patras 2003.
M.T. Wright & A.G. Bromley, "Towards a New Reconstruction of the Antikythera
Mechanism", proc. conference Extraordinary Machines and Structures in Antiquity, Ancient Olympia (August 2001):
M.T. Wright, "A Planetarium Display for the Antikythera Mechanism", Horological
Journal, vol. 144 no. 5 (May 2002), pp. 169-173, and vol. 144 no.6 (June 2002), p. 193.
The Moon Phase Anomaly in the Antikythera Mechanism by Christián C. Carman and Marcelo Di Cocco doi.org/2333.1/...
The History of the File: archive.org/de...
Da Vinci File-Cutting Machine: • Da Vinci File-Cutting ...
Ken Hawley in action hand cutting files: • Making Files by Hand
Theophilus: archive.org/de...
Tools & Weapons, WM Flinders Petrie: ia803001.us.ar...
The File: en.wikipedia.o...)
Bernot’s Patented File Cutting Machine: ia600101.us.ar...
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Yes! Whatever happened to the paper you were doing? Did I miss something?
It was published a while back here: bhi.co.uk/antikytheramechanism/ The finding has since been independently replicated twice (and with greater precision) by others here: arxiv.org/pdf/2403.00040 and here: bhi.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/04-HJApril24-AOTM.pdf - Cheers :)
@@Clickspring Now that I see it again, I had seen it, and apparently entirely forgotten....
@@Sim.Crawford Welcome to my world at 71 nearly 72, Inshallah. Sorry, I've forgotten what I was typing. rolf
Do you reckon that thing was one of a kind, or there were multiple made but only one survived?
And if multiple were made, would they all have came from a single shop, or the knowledge of how to make them might have spread?
Me: “Man, I wonder why it has been so long since Chris uploaded a full-length video on the Antikythera build? OH…..because he’s been HAND CUTTING A BUNCH OF ROUND FILES!”
I love how this is not simply about the reconstruction of the Mechanism itself, but also a deep dive into the fabrication of the tools that were needed to build it in the first place.
This kind of forensic archaeology is amazing. The tools inform the design, and the design informs the tools.
For sure!
It is an authentic reproduction of the device, and a practical science experiment. Hats off to Chris. This is his opus.
I have a friend who's generally level-headed and sensible, but has a deep fondness for conspiracy theories about "ancient aliens" and the like, with claims that many structures and artifacts couldn't be made with the tool technology of that time. Sending him these videos makes him SO ANNOYED, but in a very funny way :D
@redwitch12 I think the only difference between what Chris is doing and how the actual one was made is that there were likely specialist tool makers, and the people building the mechanism likely just ordered their tools from them.
Dropped everything the moment I saw a new Antikythera Mechanism video.
I did the same thing. In fact I was actually watching another TH-cam video. That’s how much I find everything about this topic and how Chris is dealing with it, so utterly fascinating.
Ran when I got the notification. Which is strange since it's all online
👍👌👏 Same here, definitely!
Best regards, luck and health in particular.
Definitely did the same
Utterly brilliant film crafting, and engineering craftsmanship. Thank you Chris. Always a delight to see another of your videos. Les in UK 🇬🇧
"giving tremendous authority over the material to whoever is driving the file" this man has such a way with words that keeps the narration extra interesting. great video!!!!
This! That phrase caught my attention too.
Chris pays as much attention to the crafting of his words as he does to crafting of tools.
I'll second this. He's clearly immersed his mind in the scholarly work behind the Antikythera, and well-educated.
Next time my ignorant ass is in the shop, I'm announcing to my wood pieces, "I have tremendous authority over you!!"
I mean, if you're not diligently asserting authority over the material at every juncture, what are you even doing with your life as a maker?
Seven and a half years in working on this masterpiece of ancient (and contemporary) technology. Not only reproducing this long lost knowledge but also reimagining all the necessary tools that were needed to build the mechanism itself. Chris, what you have achieved is more than any other craftsman and youtuber could ever think of. Just amazing
Has it really been 7.5 years since Chris started on his exploration of the mechanism?
I tell you that those Covid Lockdowns that we had in Melbourne have really messed with my sense of time.
I don't remember the details, but there was a watchmaker that invented his own escapement that would only teach how to make it to watchmakers that had built a whole watch by themselves, movement yes, but also face, backing, crystal, dials and bracelet - and did it to exquisite level of perfection.
Has it really been that long since the first episode? Jesus christ
@@markfryer9880 yup, I looked it up before posting my comment
@@SayWhut276 It only feels so long because of how him and This Old Tony screwed up the timeline....
This is one of my absolutely favorite series. Watching someone rebuild manufacturing techniques from scratch while making an incredibly complex machine of unknown origin is endlessly fascinating. I love it~
Always a good day when there's a longform Clickspring video
Is anyone else in the world doing what Chris is doing to this level of detail? He deserves some kind of anthropological medal one day
It would seem that no one with a deep understanding of how clocks work had examined it before, which is why Chris wrote his academic paper.
he's listed as a contributor in some peer-reviewed archeology papers. That's pretty exceptional for someone who's not specifically trained in archeology!
@@markfryer9880 he wrote a paper?
@@bobsquaredme Search for "Antikythera Mechanism shows evidence of lunar calendar"
I'd say that he needs a multi episode BBC documentary series really. Although the Beeb are shockingly woke these days.
I came 7 years ago for the Antikythera mechanism, I stayed for the tools making and all the history around. Great video chris !
4:50 I have never seen a file so sharp that it leaves such tiny beautiful swarf as that
Right? ill never trust bunnings again.
I honestly hope some university awards you an honorary PhD for your work in this Chris. The attention to detail, and depth of work going into understand and recreation a lost piece of ancient technology along with the processes and tools used to make it are beyond what many researchers do for their thesis
The attention to details like how they would've build this. What tools, and things like that, elevates this series.
Like... if you just used your modern tools and made a replica, it was already going to be fantastic. But the historical take, about tools, procedures, and trying to understand the quirkies of the design and asking yourself why it's like this. Makes this a master piece. Diffidently a Magum Opus.
I mean, that's exactly why a bunch of anthropologists went nuts over the series, and why Chris ended up caving and writing a paper on the whole thing. This isn't just a masterpiece, it's a scientifically significant masterpiece.
It’s a privilege to watch the world’s leading expert on the Antikythera Mechanism 🤩
Do me a favour folks, and share this one far and wide - Thanks for watching!
Happy to do that, I've been waiting for another video of this!😃 The story of this analog computer is so amazing, I enjoy every videos of its progress and your explantions, and the tools you making for it!😊
Same! Was really excited to see that notification. I wasn’t disappointed AT AlL.
I would, but I don't know any people...
I shared immediately with my colleagues. The world standard of research, analysis, production
Hey, buddy! REALLY enjoy these videos. This is somewhat unrelated, I can't recall if you're from NZ, or Australia. I'll be in Sydney in late June. If you're in NZ I don't think it would be possible given my scheduling, but would love to get to meet you in person if that's possible. If not, I'll settle for the videos, lol.
In this age of doing everything as fast as possible your videos are a welcome reminder that going slow and paying attention to the finer details can be its own reward. I admire your skill and patience. You ability to do much with the simplest of tools is something to aspire to.
Your dedication to reviving these 'forgotten' techniques is truly inspiring. Thanks for the great video!
When I last wasn't feeling mentally too great I speed ran watching all of this series, it honestly was a welcomed distraction that I came to adore so much. So excited to see an update in the series!
omg same
his choice of music is just sooo soothing too
Hard to believe I've been watching this channel for almost 10 years!
his file making has sure improved too.
As a modern day career machinist, your seires is beyond humbling. Getting a glimpse of the ways precision mechanical component's might have been manufactured in antiquity is so enlightenting.
There is a saying among machinists, "Anyone can make something with the right tools, but it takes a good mahinist to make quality parts using bad tools".
With enough patience, evidence shown and proved, even simple handmade files can be coaxed to produce delicate mechanical features!
Thank you for the time and effort you undoubtedly spend on discovering the beginnings of what i personally consider to be the true birth of the modern age. When man discovered a way to shape not a tool, but rather how to make physical the conceptions of mechanical devices.
Such an elegance to your work. People think of blacksmithing and they think of loud, angry hammer hits and grime. Glad we get to see all sides of it.
You know what’s crazy? When he started the antikythera mechanism build, I was single. As of this video, I am happily married with a dog. This series, including these fragment videos, have been with me for a lot of life experiences and hopefully will remain for many more. These videos will forever hold a place in my life.
Same (switch dog for washing machine 😅). A friend sent me his first couple of these to help distract me from a truly horrible breakup that nearly ended me. This video dropped during my honeymoon to an even more (far more) amazing woman than I'd even dreamed existed
Spent half the video wondering where I'd seen this before, but then remembered I'm a Patron. Still watched all of it again anyway because I love this Antikythera series.
"Here's a comparison under a microscope..." **just so you can see my work is superior to modern machines!**
Absolutely fantastic work, as usual, sir!
I love that you aren’t dead 🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻
Me too!
@@Clickspring 😂😂❤️ Watching from Adelaide. Actually have an elderly jeweller/watch-smith in the shopping complex close to our house, and I’m tempted to make him an offer on all of his equipment so I can pretend to be you once he pulls up stumps. Amazing stuff Chris. Awesome to have you back….. for a bit 🙏🏻
years ago i end up in your channel because of the files
it's nice to see them back
The incredible amount of work to complete 1 round file, my jaw dropped when you presented more!
I was lucky enough to see te real Antikythera mechanism while studying abroad in Greece last year. It was so cool to see it in person after watching your videos recreating it.
Beautiful work. Has it been covered how the thin, perfectly flat stock was created? That is one thing that has often puzzled me when watching recreation of ancient work. Things like plate armor was made with hammers with large flat faces of course but they don't need to be perfect
As someone doing a deep dive hobby wise into flatness, "what is flat" starts to sound more and more like one of Feinman's lectures. It all ends up being variations on "flat enough."
Given that, filing stock, followed by lapping would work.
Not sure if it was clickspring or This old Tony that went over it. But flatness can be achieved quite simply using three hard rocks and grinding compound (usually fine sand)
Surface plates are made by grinding rock A against rock B. Then A against C, B against C and so on and so forth. The three rocks eventually get worn completely flat.
Then it's much the same as the person above stated. Cast the brass, you could potentially cast it relatively flat to start with. Flatten most of the way with a hammer. Then file. Then use the surface plate to lap it completely flat.
Though for most of the mechanism, given how big the gears are. It doesn't need to be Swiss levels of flat. Just relatively flat.
The video editing on this is craftsmanship in its own right!
Me: “Man, I wonder why it has been so long since Chris uploaded a full-length video on the Antikythera build? OH…..because he’s been HAND CUTTING A BUNCH OF ROUND FILES!”
This should be required watching in elementary schools!!! Fantastic work! Thank you for educating me and all who watch your work.
Very interesting and highly educational. It's not hard to imagine how highly prized these sort of tools would have been to the ancient craftsmen. Impeccable production too, Chris. All the best, Mart in England.
Cheers Mart!
It really is incredible that a tool can be used to make a better version of itself.
This is why I love your channel. You have a certain perspective about forensic archeology.
Your work will definitely be required viewing material for schools everywhere once this is done.
Просто потрясающе! Создание инструментов, затем этими инструментами изготовление детали. 😊 Да более потрясающего доказательства возможности изготовления в древней Греции и представить невозможно!
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This is absolutely amazing. Not only is it amazing you have the patients to make the mechanism itself, but you have even MORE patients to make all the tools that were a part of that era. Not jus the tools, but everything that goes into making those tools (charcoal, straps, workholding, etc... the list goes on). Thanks for sharing.
Your videos are pure art
I love seeing the insight into the building of the world's tech tree and how artisans bootstrapped their shops.
This is a fantastic example of experimental archeology! I love the consideration of what the minimum viable tool for a given job is - along with the idea that you can use slightly more crude tools to create or refine future tools.
Makes the antikithera mechanism seem much like a modern piece of clockwork - close attention to fine detail and good fittings is as important as good tools, if not more so.
The production quality is off the chart. Man! So good.
Hey Clickspring!
I was so thrilled to see a new video in your Antikythera series pop up in my feed! Your dedication, attention to detail, and passion for bringing this ancient marvel to life are truly inspiring. Every episode is a masterpiece, showcasing your incredible craftsmanship and deep knowledge.
Please keep going with this amazing project-your work not only educates but also ignites a passion for history and engineering in so many of us. Thank you for all the hard work and effort you put into each video. We’re all eagerly looking forward to the next installment!
You’re doing an incredible job!
It is humbling to realize how advanced 'old' technologies really were. Thank you for this wonderful, visually stunning video.
Beautiful, beautiful tools, this channel has given me such a respect for the things we use to create.
Always very interesting, extremely well written, filmed and produced. One could also say your work and files are a cut above the rest. This subject and content should be shown in schools to show and teach that you can build almost anything with just simple tools, time, patience, and a desire for learning.
Mmmmh, the spiraling grooves on the round files are just a beauty to behold!
The amount of work and attention given to each of those round files is astounding, not to mention the rest of the handmade tools created to hold and make the files themselves
An excellent illustration of tool development where subsequent tools are far better than the starting point - stay safe
Hey great work as always! It was amazing to see how close your round hand cut file was to the machine made on the close-up!
Makes a lot more sense seeing how much work goes into hand making these that a set of high quality files were so expensive for so long.
Always nice to see a new Clickspring video, especially an Antikythera one!
While I find the Antikythera Mechanism truly interesting the documentation, history and manufacturing of the tooling to be absolutely fascinating! Seeing the files made and hardened by hand is simply amazing. Thanks for sharing this tutorial and I am sure it is one I will be watching many times over.
The Antikythera mechanism have been a wonderful journey on many levels. Thank you Chris 👍
Woo hoo, great to see a video from ya sir. You never cease to amaze me. When you show building your tools from scratch. Or the parts for the device.
I've always enjoyed using files over grinders and sanders. This video kind of makes me want to make some files of my own. Great job.
Chris, I have no idea why, but you make me more proud to be Australian than anybody else I can think of.
Chris is the only good part about Australia.
Does this mean that we should nominate Chris for Australian of the Year? Or do we wait until he has finally solved the Antikythera puzzle?
Mark from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
@@livedandletdielook up "I did a thing"; another Aussie with a knack for making things...
Granted, many janky things, but his videos are great!
"woah that round file looks like it took a long time to make!"
sees the even FINER file, then the other TWO smaller files! wow!
Chris, sir, you've outdone yourself this time. This is some next, next level stuff that has me gobsmacked.
The effort, patience, persistence, level of detail, it's unfathomable what Chris is achieved thus far. To think there's even more to come. No complaints here on how long between videos considering what's taking place here.
Tool creation has always fascinated me, because it take tools to make tools, to make the machines to make tools, and weaved throughout all of that is art, skill and craftmanship, design and invention.
You're already a legend! Thanks for your work! 🙏
Always a great day when a new video is dropped. When this thing is done it's going be such a thing to behold.
What a treat! I just sat down after a really long shitty day. Talk about a perfect way to wind down and lift your spirits.
Fantastic episode, really like the way you look at the way the tools needed are created and have evolved, really interesting series.
I’ve just been on a vacation to Athens and saw the original mechanism! Spent a good hour just studying it
The amount of detail in the first 30 seconds of footage, animation, etc is incredible. The world would be a better place if everyone had 1/100th of your dedication, commitment, attention to detail, and passion. Chris, you are one in 8 billion.
That round file took a looong time to cut! Imagine being the apprentice whose job it was to make files for the whole workshop. Wonderful video as always.
the hand cut file and machine cut have so little difference the hand skill and patience required is truly tremendous my total respect to you for making this video
Best series ever
Ingenuity and patience would describe those old time craftsman's work ethic. Great to see that you can recreate tools that would be at home in one of those craftsman's tool kit. Good stuff!
Ahhhh perfect morning coffee video. Thanks
Awesome to have Antikythera back! Keep it up and more please! 😄🙏❤
Omg the yearly Antikythera video, so happy right now
Awesome, I've loved the tools in that series. Absolutely mindblowing how clever ancient people were. And how some of these tools traveled through the millennia essentially unchanged still to be used by today's craftsmen.
Well done, thanks for sharing. I applaud you for the depth of understanding you have given this project, with outstanding explanations and videos. The willingness to not just know, but walk the walk, a rare quality. Cheers!
Your patience.... I'm in awe as always
I have no words to describe how this video is just perfect but I must admit he has one of the best patience levels for making those files
These videos have imparted joy to my filing operations at work, thank you Chris
This project is a marvel and a mother of invention. Birthing the construction process as much as the wonderful device it spawned. The existence of this particular section grants strong evidence that they knew the Moon to be a Sphere, and always brings a tear to my eye. The fates have allowed this work to be discovered after Poseidon did his best to prevent it. 🔱 🌊
I’ve been watching since the beginning- Bravo 👏
Blessed by another one. Dropping all to watch this
Respect and awe. That fine cut round fine is stunning. The techniques are all so succesful its undoubtable ancient craftsmen could have worked in a similar way. Its like watching a historical renactment. A magnum opus.
I have learned so much from watching your videos. I always watch them as soon as I get the notification you posted one. I have been following you for years now and will continue to do so. Please keep doing what you are doing.
I cannot say anything else but 'Wow!'
Your dedication to really getting into the history, and then building this whole -almost magical- mechanism with the historically accurate tooling is just amazing!
Fantastic stuff. You really, really do have far more patience than I have.
This series has really opened my eyes to the ingenuity of ancient metalworkers. It's a joyous event whenever a new video arrives.
Absolutely brilliant.
I am not a machinist, but I have watched each of your videos end to end, repeatedly.
I am very impressed by both your working skills, and your patience.
I consider it a great success if I cut a piece of wood more or less square.
But your skill is in a whole different universe.
Thank you for posting your videos.
How cherished are your videos, thank you so much!
This is my favorite series ever on the internet.
Your video's always hit that primitive side in me. It brings out the appreciation of where we started and where we are now.
Its hard for most people to imagine the amount of effort and ingenuity that it took to make even the simplest of tools. I know i couldnt until i saw some of these videos.
@Clickspring Chris, I find it utterly admirable how much patience, time and love you are investing into this project. I feel happy and proud to be your contemporary and to be able to watch your series. Thank you so much 🤩🤩🤩
The series isnt dead!
Excellent video Chris, elevates the first video on files you made.
And I so looove files and handcrafted tools!
As a vocational teacher in tinkering/roofing/tinsmithing I am searching for older techniques that´s been made obsolete by machinery.
For me as a master of my trade, I can only really understand my trade by going back to the roots and try to understand how and with what they did their masterpieces.
And is this brave new world with all of our machines and computer aid, we are not even close to our former masters skills!
I seek their skills and a means to share that with our community.
And Chris you are a Joan of Arc to me in this sense! So from my heart THANK YOU!!!
It's fantastic to see what a person with talent and a vision can achieve. Then and now.
Damn this is insanely impressive. Just so much further than anything I could do. Where can I order my own set of Clickspring files and saws? 😂
I'm gonna need a lot more hours in the day for that!
Always glad to see this series still progressing. given the work required its completely understandable that it's slow going, but thats also part of what makes it a delight to see i think.
I just love this series. So interesting and informative on the techniques and tools created to complete this!
You are a DaVinci of metal. I thoroughly enjoy all your work.
Even though I've followed this channel for longer than I can remember every new video still surprises me with it's quality...The "bar keeps on rising", truly impressive.
Best regards.
At last, finally some more. Don’t stop.
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P.S. i forgot to say Thanks. Thanks very much.