Today's 'takeaways': 1) "You already know what to do" 2) "Would you let your kids do that?" 3) "Would you let a stranger in your home do that?" 4) 'Boundaries' 5) 'Punishment' In summary, *"don't be your dog's doormat."*
ppl dont understand the real dog language : violence. just watch wolves : its all about violence, and once everyone found his place : its all love and loyalty
Tell my boyfriend this. I’m disabled as this dog has bitten me hard enough to draw blood and bruise, dislocated my shoulder clawed up my arms and legs, kicked me in the face and knocked me flat onto a concrete floor several times. He almost never walks this akita /husky mix who is 16 months now and not neutered
My GS rescue blew out my knee, jumped on my face while I laid down on my couch, 2 eye surgeries partial blindness, playing too hard, now neutered, he is now a different dog. I never gave up, ever. Never positive training! Ever. But now he knows! I am in control. I am the parent here, and I had to unlearn his wild ways when I got him at 5 1/2 months. Joel has helped me turn my dog around with his no nonsense dog training… “I’ve got alllllll day.” Now I can just look at Henry and he knows what I expect of him;) I take him everywhere, and he has to earn his walks, drives etc. as Joel says. Best tip so far: Mark bad behavior (sound) then correct (punish behavior) dog. 🐕 thx Joel !!!!!!!! ❤❤❤
@@SobrietyandSolace so sorry! My dog (GS rescue) did much of this to me! I had bruises and teeth marks yes drew blood… but I threw out the positive training and put on a prong collar then walked my dog daily at least 3 miles… walking has helped my dog mind much much better. He is a calm happy well behaved dog, Especially after neutering!!! (At 2 years old) Neutering did help. Exhausting his energy with walking, playing, training and games and much patience. Good luck!!! 🐕 I learn soooo much from Joel, he is the best!
Punishment to me Is saying no, taking away his Toys, isolating him and gnoring him for a Half house while he's desperately seeking for my attention (sending him away from the family circle in the corridory). Word punishment doesn't mean physical torture. Punishment Is sending the dog in his room for few hours with no attention Toys to reflect on his behaviours, getting his attention and holding him accountable for a wrong behaviour, dogs don't fix themselves by themselves. When i punish the dog i like the no talk, no touch, no Eye contact. When he's in punishment i like to open the Door each half hour and pass next to him inventing that i have stuff to do in the kitchen, i create some noises there, open the drawers, pick up something, then walk again next to him making him feel invisibile for that few hours. Sometimes i like to open the camera of my phone and look at his face while he's seeking for my attention, i avoid any verbal, Eye and physical contact with him. I did this few times when he almost ate the chair pillow and tried to snap at me because i stopped him. I agree with this man, Imagine raising my 1 year old kid giving M&M the whole time for everything also because he stopped having a bad behaviour or to correct a bad behaviour. Nope. Kids can't be compared to dogs at all but i agree with the fact that exclusive positive behaviours aren't good for anyone. Showing a lot of affection to Kids (especially to a newborn) and being Always there for them and holding (the newborn) often in your arms it's never bad, but i have a calm kid, doing this to a dog It's not ok at all and i completely get the M&M thing.
I’m 105 lbs. and petite woman. My 90 lbs. pit bull would not have ended up being the sweet, well behaved dog that she is now if I only followed the positive only methods. You have reinforced what I’ve always known from the start. Subscribed!
Before I found this channel I tried the positive only stuff. More times than not I ended up doing the "punishments" to get my dog to understand more deeply when a behavior is unacceptable. Thank you so much for this channel and making me feel like I'm not a horrible dog owner when I tell my dog to stop doing something. Most of the time it doesn't even take more than a stern tone to stop a bad behavior. When my dog was finally pottery trained to only go outside, he would bark and bark and bark at me so much it hurt my ears. That was not acceptable to me. After letting him know that he should not bark at me he figured out a quiet way to tell me that he needs to go out. Then we get it done and we're all good.
I mean, you've basically just described yourself as a lazy dog owner here... Your dog was literally trying to communicate with you that he needed to go outside... So instead of utilising that intellect from your dog you punished it? WTAF? You know you could've leveraged your dogs intuition to ring a bell when it needs to go outside with... That's right TRAINING... Without the need for aversives. Jesus man, I feel bad for your dog!
@@D3N2W I think you are making an incorrect assumption. I get the feeling that you are not in favor of Beckman's methods. Anyways... He used the term "punishment" broadly. It's not necessary for my dog to bark so loudly that I feel actual pain in my ears just to let me know he needs to go out. The "punishment" was a simple "ah! Ah!" And as soon as he stopped we went out. There was not physical punishment. He learned very quickly that he doesn't have to bark and I learned his cue by the way he looks at me. That is training. If that hadn't worked, I definitely would have gone the bell by the door. We figured out how to communicate. There is no way that is lazy. It would have been lazy if I neglected him and didn't let him relieve himself outside.
I would give almost anything to have my dog give me an alert that they need to go potty. Then I could work on the appropriateness of the barking. She hasn't had but four or five accidents maybe after the first 24 to 48 hours she was with me.
“Can you only be nice to your kids??” Ohhhhhh HECK NO! Same goes for dogs. Every person and every domesticated animal needs rules and boundaries. Nobody gets to do whatever they want.
I wish my sister would listen to this. She has a Shiba Inu who walks ALL OVER her and doesn't listen whatsoever. I mean, she isn't the worst Shiba I've ever encountered, but she is 7/10 awful and my sister is always like "WhY dOeSn'T sHe LiStEn tO mE" while praising her for Literally BREATHING. Jumps on you and begs for food, "GOOD GIRL POPPY. I'M SO PROUD OF YOU." (She literally says this. I'm not even exaggerating.) Then like, 20 minutes later: "why doesn't she respect me?" Me: 🙄
One of my dear friends has a large mixed-breed dog. Around 80 pounds or so. The dog would attempt to jump on me whenever I walked into the room. I finally clapped my hands and in a rather loud voice said NO! Over time the dog stopped jumping on me. Today, when I enter the dog, will walk up to me and I will pet it. All 4 paws stay on the floor! My friend and her husband are amazed the dog won't jump on me now. I don't think they liked it that I raised my voice at the dog, but when I am wearing a business suit that cost me 4 figures NO dog is going to destroy that suit.
Parents and pet owners are afraid to be the "bad guy" and that their child or pet will love them less if they discipline them. Afraid the pet or child will not be their favorite in the house. I battle this in my household but using your advice and techniques, I've proved to them that you don't have to worry about it. You don't show emotion or yell, just correct and praise when they do good.
I had to learn the hard way that the all „positive” way doesn’t work. My dog taught me how to correct unwanted behavior properly, when she started correcting me and I knew the roles needed to be reversed immediately. Now we have an honest relationship. Thanks for all the truthful information even though that comes criticism.
I wish I'd found you years ago. My 2 rescue dogs are 7 now (cane corso x lab) powerful and strong willed. I spent years and thousands on positive training and got nowhere. After a few short sessions using these methods there is already improvement. It will take time due to their age but now I'm seeing results I no longer dread taking them for a walk. They are still reactive on leash and one doesn't come off the lead at all as he's unpredictable, but the improvement is immense. THANK YOU SO MUCH 😊
Joel I've been watching dog training videos since January 2020... If this video was around then I would be in a COMPLETELY different place today. I not only searched the internet for someone who could teach me an acceptable way to "punish" a dog but I also emailed so many TH-camrs and no one gave me an answer which I felt right with in my gut. This video is so simple, that's it's beauty, it just makes sense and it clears up all the nonsense that is out there. Thank you on behalf of every amateur pet owner/dog trainer to even serious dog trainers. This is worth thousands of dollars ... 💯
I can personally vouch for this info Joel is giving here I have a dog , my neighbor has a dog .. I give dominant corrections to mine , she just practices positive enforcement (and tells me off when I punish my dog) .. her house is full of torn rugs , cushion covers and no maid is ready to work in her house (spoilt dog) .. Meanwhile I sleep peacefully , my dog seeks my approval before DOING ANYTHING , even if he wants to play with guests/servants he looks at me for the heads-up .. (Enough ranting lol)
@@tiahash2013 Yeah , domestic help/servants arent that common there where you live. I live in India . It's common here for below middle class people to do dishes, cook food in others' homes for salary . They are not slaves , just employees for an hour of work .
Perfect and clear! , the shaming from social media that stops dog owners from dealing with bad behaviour the way they should(as you said with people and kids) is way so many are in shelters, come on dog owners Grow some !,, thanks again
4:56 "Then you do it again, then you do it again, then you do it again, then the behavior goes away". So much truth; there has to be consistency for our dogs to learn what it's expected of them and what isn't. Had a dog pull as soon as I opened the door. I worked him one afternoon- I would bring him back to the door threshold and have him mantain a stay. I would close the door the moment he tried walking through, and whenever he broke his stay I'd bring him back around. One afternoon and me working on it for 10 or so minutes and he knew what I expected of him: an open door is not an invitation. I will step out and once I've decided he's calm enough, I'll signal for him to come out. Same when coming back home! It was relieving not dreading opening the door.
Thank you!! It's my first year owning a dog and the stuff you mentioned in this video are accurate. Other training methods online barely helped but when I found your channel I understood more about what I needed to do to train my dog correctly and you helped me understand my dog better rather than finding a training method which didn't work out and kept attempting others which made the training process longer.
I could watch your videos all day. I love your approach. It has changed so much about how I relate to my dog. THANK YOU. love the life lesson here at the end.
I love you! I foster dogs and I end up fostering many dogs because the owner wouldn’t make the dog mind and they tore up the house and furniture, wouldn’t listen, and so on and so on. One week with me and they are sleeping in a crate at night, sitting and waiting to eat or get a treat and walking on a leash without pulling. You are spot on with your advice. ❤️❤️❤️
Such a welcome change to hear the truth spoken. Love your calm, straightforward approach. What a breath of fresh air you are. I love my dog- he is treated extremely well and disciplined very fairly (when needed) and without irritation. I’m working on raising a wonderful companion with good manners who is a pleasure to be around.
I’ve sent this video to everyone I know with dogs! I’ve done this with my dog since watching your videos. I’ve learned so much from your channel, keep making these great videos.
I’m so glad I found this Chanel I always thought positive reinforcement alone isn’t enough. Dogs know what they can and can’t get away with if you let them. Since using your techniques my puppy is more obedient. No nonsense sets them up for success as they grow they as long as we are consistent. Thank you so much for your videos they are the best! 🥰
Thank you! I really needed this video right now. All the training I can find is positive, positive, positive, which doesn't deal with unwanted behaviour. Countersurfing is a perfect example - I can teach my dog to get off when she jumps up, and I can make sure there's not stuff up there to reinforce the bad behaviour, but she's not learning not to jump up in the first place! I have brought up 5 kids using both positive and punishment (even just saying no is a punishment) and they know that what I say goes, without ever needing physical punishment. I would love to get to that point with my dog. No wonder that there are more dogs with behaviour problems, because we are taught not to tell them off - these dogs are confused about what is right and what is wrong!
Omg. The way you start this video... 💯 I love it. Everytime you post a new video, I share it, and I tell people "God, I love this guy." I've trained my puppy up with your advice to be an absolutely awesome puppy. She loose leash walks, she doesn't bark incessantly, I've taught her how to chill out, she has great recall (and when she doesnt I go get her and it's not a game) and now I've trained her to bring me trash instead of running around wildly being a nuisance.
I went to a dog training class once (didn’t know it was positive only, but should have known because of were I live, Sweden) and I discussed how I believe new behaviors can and should be trained positive only, but had doubts with really bad learned dangerous behaviors ie “problem” dogs threatened with euthanasia. She replied that she had worked with dogs such as this and only used positive methods…I still have my doubts. 😅
I have a 4 month old German Shepherd puppy. I’ve had her since she was 13 weeks. She’s generally a good pup. She is learning and listening but she’s got a long way to go and I have a lot to learn. Glad I found your channel early on, your methods are by far the best I’ve seen on TH-cam.
really needed to here this right now. New dog that I need to establish boundaries cause he thinks he has none. Had him 2 weeks and working with him but got frustrated today. Thanks for the pep talk.
FINALLY someone who speaks my language!!! Geez, I have been watching videos of how to train a very smart, large ,headstrong puppy & this is what is needed!! Thank you
I love your practical approach! It has been so helpful with training my high energy Boston. I was so discouraged for a time, but now at 9 mos we are seeing marked progress and are finally enjoying our dog!!!!
Couldn't agree more. Boundaries make dogs (and children alike) feel secure not unhappy. We've got the same craze about positive reinforcement in France and it's leading nowhere... Thanks for all your videos . Love your channel 👍🇫🇷💚🇺🇸👍
Joel, Thank you for the term punishment. I just started watching your videos February 2022. What a blessing you and your videos are ! I rescued a Plott Hound Spay female 9mo old that was dumped in my neighborhood Dec. 20th, 2022. I started training her immediately with sit, stay, walking on a leash, come, etc. My new dog thinks she can jump up on bed at least 3 times in the morning. Each time I say off, she gets off. Within 2 minutes she is up on the bed again. Next time she jumps up on the bed...... I will get out of bed, say off and then I will have her sit & look at her to reinforce I am the boss! This dog has many issues, but I am determined to love and train her with your videos to be a wonderful dog.
Repercussions for bad behavior works for kids and also works with dogs. My sister has the same breed dog as myself, because of this channel my dog now walks off leash around our yard, it is so nice to see a happy dog enjoying their space. My sister's dog is out of control, it destroys her home and tears everything up. Thank you for your channel it really works. I have a Chiweenie and she is loving walking off leash. She stays with me and then loves to sit in the lawn chair for hours.
I'm a fairly new subscriber...I really like the info and techniques you share. In any video of yours that I've watched, I have never seen you be mean to any of the dogs. I have seen you communicate clearly to them, I've seen you assess and consider each individual dog. Also, I don't see you suggesting anyone mistreat their dogs. I'm glad I found your channel. You have helped me and your techniques are helping me be a better foster. So, for what it's worth, when you say "punishment", it doesn't trigger me. One of my acquaintances used to work with training service type dogs using, I think it was called, operant conditioning methods. If a few viewers are bothered by a word and they don't see what you're teaching us.....they are missing out, which, in my humble opinion, is unfortunate for them. I really appreciate what I've learned from you. Thank you.
Thank you so much for your information. Before I found your channel, I was considering rehoming my 5 month ol gsd puppy, I thought she was too stubborn to be trained and was attacking my 4yr old collie. Because of your videos, she is calmer, and not attacking my collie. You have given me permission to correct my dog, without all of the weak positive only reinforcement most people advocate. I never let my children behave in a way that would bring the police to my door, so I'm not going to let my gsd bring the police either. I am the boss and she is now following me for guidance. THANK YOU SO MUCH
I've just watched a few of your videos so far. You are amazing. I just got a two year old dog a couple of days ago. She likes to lay down when you pet her. I don't like that. So I followed your advice in another video and just stopped petting her until she got back up. It was amazing. Within just a couple of minutes she learned not to lay down if she wants to be petted. I'm going to binge watch all of your videos.
Thank you! I love your firm resolve to call it like it is….PUNISHMENT! It says a lot about a person if they are offended by the word “punishment.”🤦🏼♀️
I love watching your videos! I don't even have problems with my dog, but I like the things you have to say and how you say them, so glad I found this channel
This approach has been so helpful to train my Rottweiler puppies. I used to feel bad if I said no, or stop it and addressed the behavior. Using only positive reinforcement doesn’t work there needs to be checks and balances. 🥰
I agree 💯…. As a teacher for over 25 years… positive reinforcement doesn’t always work…I mean why should I give a kid a treat for doing something they should already be doing? I always set very clear expectations and always held my students accountable…and yes….it was always followed through with consequences…that’s the problem with parents today… they want to be friends with their kids instead of parents…and what are the results?… spoiled and out of control kids who have no boundaries placed in them! Thank you! Live your videos and I learn so much watching your techniques and how you handle situations…😊🙏🏼
A strong man in all sense of the word . Love your videos. You show sheer boundaries and discipline and I love it. As a woman I tend to have emotional reactions to my dogs bad behavior and then I feel guilty so having a strong disciplined man to say this is exactly what I need to do is gold.
Within 24hrs of bringing home my rescue dog, he counter surfed. My hubby gave him a firm "No! Bad!" had him sit and he hasnt done it ever again, its been just over 2yrs! First rescue Ive had as an adult, none of my raised pups ever attempted this behaviour, probably because we set the tone from day one.
Exactly this! All the dogs we have raised from pups have been well behaved, whereas our rescue dog is a challenge! We have to 'undo' all the bad habits she has from her previous owners!
Thank you for your straight forward videos. I have a new puppy and have watched tons of videos that only -- only recommend positive reinforcement. As with children, sometimes "punishment" is much more positive than a reward. Great job!
Here in the Uk I used to work with dogs at an animal rescue and there was this Staffordshire Bull Terrier who bit people and she was re-homed and the couple are not allowed anyone over or anything because she will bite someone. Apparently I heard she was not like this before and then was returned for biting. This rescue was all about positive reinforcement and now she basically has no boundaries and is now being allowed to rule the roost which I think is ridiculous!!
I admire your straight forward approach, I have done the same with four large dogs over forty years. Currently have a four month Rottweiller and she understands now that no means NO! I am tired of PC dog owners who cannot differentiate between a dog and a human.
👏👏👏👏 it’s not easy, but I’ve been working my butt off to be a good leader for my young male! And I’ve always loved how you say “subscribe this channel” like something you just have to add at the end😂. It shows your true passion for dogs and to share your knowledge.👏👏👏
A refreshing perspective! It's not rocket science and very much like raising children if you have them. Even if you start out as a positive reinforcement parent, you quickly learn it's just not an effective method in raising well rounded kids. Similar with dogs. The only difference the window of opportunity to make or break a dog is so much smaller. So it's critical to get it right from the start! Thank you!
yep; i have fostered over 20 dogs and puppies the last two years and i learned that dogs are happier when they know what is expected of them and are told what to do. Even puppies can be taught boundaries (what do people think the mommy dog does when her puppies are acting crazy, redirect them?)
THANKYOU, so empowering to know you can reprimand your dog for bad behaviour, I feel I can no longer tell my dog “no” because “it’s cruel” that’s what we are told nowadays, just “treat them” until it stops 😫
I love your channel. I'm a new dog owner and have tried all the positive reinforcement thing with a difficult Aussie. I'm still struggling with leash reactivity. I may need help with that.
No it's not only about dogs, that's why they do pet therapy (not with your dog). When you understand what a pup or a dog really needs you learn many things and also heal, even if people and dogs can't be compared, the attitude Is Always the same, for example to ovewhelm if there are no boundaries.
Rupert: "jumps on counter" me from over there: "off" Rupert: *gets off ....repeat.... fml lol. Appreciate the info! Doing my best to learn and be consistent but your totally spot on. Too much media/zak george/positive reinforcement bs. Its never been 100% with that stuff and my dogs not even that bad.
Saying no is absolutely necessary for dogs safety and security. People seem to think that saying no means constant negativity, when in reality it’s a VERY small percentage of the relationship. Overusing correction is the same as people who constantly yell at their kids, so they never listen. Using correction sparingly and when needed, means the dog really listens and recognizes the importance of the command.
The thing is ... Dogs practice this themselves with each other and all remains well between them. "Punishment" to them is not "bad" -- it's just another part aspect of COMMUNICATION. That's it! 😂
I love this content!! Keep the realness going ☺️ 7 mo!!! Wow you’re more patient than me. My 7mo knows all the boundaries. As a high energy Aussie I couldn’t allow him to rule.
love it. Positive reinforcement doesn’t work all the time . My corgi girl doesn’t work with positive reinforcement when comes with correct her reactive behaviour. I tried out so many ways to train her, until I tried the method you showed on the video, she’s getting little bit better. I’m making progress .
Thank you. I think a lot of dog owners try to do things “nice” because they are afraid to get bit by their dog, or handle their dog. They don’t want to “hurt” them, emotionally or physically, so they don’t push or test their dogs. They don’t put their dogs in uncomfortable situations because they know they can’t handle a dog tantrum; so the keep their dog “mellow” (results vary with this method). A lot of people don’t understand that their dog is not human and so dogs just don’t think like humans do and owners try to apply a whole school of (misunderstood, oversimplified) human/primate psychology to them and that’s jus not how dogs communicate. Dogs don’t care about human concepts, they just want simple no nonsense communication. There’s probably some overlaps, but dog and human psychology is not 1:1. IT also doesn’t help that there’s a lot of propaganda out there that shut-outs any dog rearing tips that isn’t Jean Donaldson. Also, somehow, correcting your dog has been translated too “take your dog and slam it into the ground until it breaks it’s legs and learns it lesson”…. No dog trainer ever has done that. Jeff Gellman is the closest with his bonker stick, but no one really has ever listened to him before and he’s become irrelevant.
Adopted a 3.5 year old rescue 3 months ago. Fearful of people, kids, strangers, loud noises, the moon ( literally) with an insatiable desire to chase squirrels and rabbits. Lacked socialization obviously. Followed your desensitization techniques. 3 months later, honestly, all above phobias........gone. not a sign of them at all. Goes towards kids, strangers, doesn't care about the moon ( wierd phobia i know) and doesn't care about squirrels or rabbits. Remarkable. And balanced the approach with positive reinforcement ( as you do) with corrections. THANK YOU!
YES! You are great. I can't say this enough! I agree 100% with Amanda Milo. This is COMMON sense stuff. And it does work on everything. I CAN NOT wait for you to have DVD's and or Books.
You know what I love, there are no bad comments! Because it’s true. Someone from a positive school dog training speaking here. Punishment is not bad. You are not even using harsh methods, but really, there are boundaries!
Geez I'm building a lot of respect for you. When the word police come knocking you have the integrity to stand your ground. More people like you, and this world would be a much better place.
Thanks for the talk. You just described me with our nine month old Australian Labradoodle. Jumping and counter surfing are the problems. Always sound and logical advice.
You explaining this is such a waste of you and your other clients with serious dog problems' time. But I guess ppl need to hear this again and again. More power to you, man!
Positive Reinforcement (R+)= adding something (reward) to increase the likelihood of a behavior repeating Negative Reinforcement (R-)= removing something unpleasant to increase likelihood of a behavior Positive Punishment (P+)= adding something (a correction) to decrease the likelihood of a behavior Negative Punishment (P-)= take something pleasant away to decrease likelihood of a behavior When people say they are “positive only” or force free what they usually mean is that they operate in the realm of R+ and P-, sometimes R- but never P+
Today's 'takeaways':
1) "You already know what to do"
2) "Would you let your kids do that?"
3) "Would you let a stranger in your home do that?"
4) 'Boundaries'
5) 'Punishment'
In summary, *"don't be your dog's doormat."*
Well said :)
ppl dont understand the real dog language : violence. just watch wolves : its all about violence, and once everyone found his place : its all love and loyalty
@@geyjibill1441 That's true!
Positive reinforcement = more treat sales
I follow this philosophy BECAUSE I love my dog. I’m not allowing a 90 pound dog with large teeth to rule me.
Tell my boyfriend this. I’m disabled as this dog has bitten me hard enough to draw blood and bruise, dislocated my shoulder clawed up my arms and legs, kicked me in the face and knocked me flat onto a concrete floor several times. He almost never walks this akita /husky mix who is 16 months now and not neutered
@@SobrietyandSolace that dog is still alive after disabling you?
Nor will i let a 10 pound pinscher rule me 😅 lol
My GS rescue blew out my knee, jumped on my face while I laid down on my couch, 2 eye surgeries partial blindness, playing too hard, now neutered, he is now a different dog. I never gave up, ever. Never positive training! Ever. But now he knows! I am in control. I am the parent here, and I had to unlearn his wild ways when I got him at 5 1/2 months. Joel has helped me turn my dog around with his no nonsense dog training… “I’ve got alllllll day.” Now I can just look at Henry and he knows what I expect of him;) I take him everywhere, and he has to earn his walks, drives etc. as Joel says. Best tip so far: Mark bad behavior (sound) then correct (punish behavior) dog. 🐕 thx Joel !!!!!!!! ❤❤❤
@@SobrietyandSolace so sorry! My dog (GS rescue) did much of this to me! I had bruises and teeth marks yes drew blood… but I threw out the positive training and put on a prong collar then walked my dog daily at least 3 miles… walking has helped my dog mind much much better. He is a calm happy well behaved dog, Especially after neutering!!! (At 2 years old) Neutering did help. Exhausting his energy with walking, playing, training and games and much patience. Good luck!!! 🐕 I learn soooo much from Joel, he is the best!
Common sense, no B.S. advice that works on dogs/kids/Orcas--I freaking love this channel.
Mmmmmmmm. Orcas should be free... or just cage all dogs 24/7. Just saying
Exactly
They don't use it on Orcas
Orcas do what they want.
"I'm not going to use another word because it makes people feel better" literal lol moment. another solid video--thanks!
Thanks for this. A serious question, I am new to your channel, but why not punish with an E collar. Genuinely curious as I use an E collar on my dogs.
Punishment to me Is saying no, taking away his Toys, isolating him and gnoring him for a Half house while he's desperately seeking for my attention (sending him away from the family circle in the corridory). Word punishment doesn't mean physical torture. Punishment Is sending the dog in his room for few hours with no attention Toys to reflect on his behaviours, getting his attention and holding him accountable for a wrong behaviour, dogs don't fix themselves by themselves. When i punish the dog i like the no talk, no touch, no Eye contact. When he's in punishment i like to open the Door each half hour and pass next to him inventing that i have stuff to do in the kitchen, i create some noises there, open the drawers, pick up something, then walk again next to him making him feel invisibile for that few hours. Sometimes i like to open the camera of my phone and look at his face while he's seeking for my attention, i avoid any verbal, Eye and physical contact with him. I did this few times when he almost ate the chair pillow and tried to snap at me because i stopped him. I agree with this man, Imagine raising my 1 year old kid giving M&M the whole time for everything also because he stopped having a bad behaviour or to correct a bad behaviour. Nope. Kids can't be compared to dogs at all but i agree with the fact that exclusive positive behaviours aren't good for anyone. Showing a lot of affection to Kids (especially to a newborn) and being Always there for them and holding (the newborn) often in your arms it's never bad, but i have a calm kid, doing this to a dog It's not ok at all and i completely get the M&M thing.
"Every time they do something, give them an M&M." 😆
We've all met these children. And dogs. They *are* horrible.
Have you seen the obesity "epidemic"??? yeah, people been giving M&Ms to their children HOPING they'd behave like their dogs... LMAO
@@Eitachi5656 unpacking metaphors may not be your strong suit.
I think girls like this are called princesses.
I’m 105 lbs. and petite woman. My 90 lbs. pit bull would not have ended up being the sweet, well behaved dog that she is now if I only followed the positive only methods. You have reinforced what I’ve always known from the start. Subscribed!
Before I found this channel I tried the positive only stuff. More times than not I ended up doing the "punishments" to get my dog to understand more deeply when a behavior is unacceptable. Thank you so much for this channel and making me feel like I'm not a horrible dog owner when I tell my dog to stop doing something. Most of the time it doesn't even take more than a stern tone to stop a bad behavior.
When my dog was finally pottery trained to only go outside, he would bark and bark and bark at me so much it hurt my ears. That was not acceptable to me. After letting him know that he should not bark at me he figured out a quiet way to tell me that he needs to go out. Then we get it done and we're all good.
I mean, you've basically just described yourself as a lazy dog owner here... Your dog was literally trying to communicate with you that he needed to go outside... So instead of utilising that intellect from your dog you punished it? WTAF? You know you could've leveraged your dogs intuition to ring a bell when it needs to go outside with... That's right TRAINING... Without the need for aversives. Jesus man, I feel bad for your dog!
@@D3N2W I think you are making an incorrect assumption. I get the feeling that you are not in favor of Beckman's methods. Anyways... He used the term "punishment" broadly. It's not necessary for my dog to bark so loudly that I feel actual pain in my ears just to let me know he needs to go out. The "punishment" was a simple "ah! Ah!" And as soon as he stopped we went out. There was not physical punishment. He learned very quickly that he doesn't have to bark and I learned his cue by the way he looks at me. That is training. If that hadn't worked, I definitely would have gone the bell by the door. We figured out how to communicate. There is no way that is lazy. It would have been lazy if I neglected him and didn't let him relieve himself outside.
I would give almost anything to have my dog give me an alert that they need to go potty. Then I could work on the appropriateness of the barking. She hasn't had but four or five accidents maybe after the first 24 to 48 hours she was with me.
“Can you only be nice to your kids??”
Ohhhhhh HECK NO!
Same goes for dogs. Every person and every domesticated animal needs rules and boundaries. Nobody gets to do whatever they want.
This guy is the greatest trainer in the world, speaking the truth!
He is the GOAT!
I seriously LOVE this channel. Your straightforward no nonsense approach addressing issues we are all dealing with is a lifeline. Thank you ❤️
I wish my sister would listen to this. She has a Shiba Inu who walks ALL OVER her and doesn't listen whatsoever. I mean, she isn't the worst Shiba I've ever encountered, but she is 7/10 awful and my sister is always like "WhY dOeSn'T sHe LiStEn tO mE" while praising her for Literally BREATHING. Jumps on you and begs for food, "GOOD GIRL POPPY. I'M SO PROUD OF YOU." (She literally says this. I'm not even exaggerating.) Then like, 20 minutes later: "why doesn't she respect me?"
Me: 🙄
Shiba are a stubborn dominant breed, the kind that can ruin your life if you're not careful
Haha, Your sister has the wrong breed if she wants a dog that “listens” to her. 🐕
I’m sure Poppy loves her regardless.
I've seen so many ppl like your sister, and with powerful breeds! Recipe for destruction.
@@11acteck Sooo true!! I have one!! (or he has me) lol
One sign someone knows what they're talking about is they can rant off the cuff on a topic for 10 minutes and it come off as educational.
All the positive way of doing things has ruined EVERYTHING.. PERIOD
One of my dear friends has a large mixed-breed dog. Around 80 pounds or so. The dog would attempt to jump on me whenever I walked into the room. I finally clapped my hands and in a rather loud voice said NO! Over time the dog stopped jumping on me. Today, when I enter the dog, will walk up to me and I will pet it. All 4 paws stay on the floor! My friend and her husband are amazed the dog won't jump on me now. I don't think they liked it that I raised my voice at the dog, but when I am wearing a business suit that cost me 4 figures NO dog is going to destroy that suit.
Parents and pet owners are afraid to be the "bad guy" and that their child or pet will love them less if they discipline them. Afraid the pet or child will not be their favorite in the house. I battle this in my household but using your advice and techniques, I've proved to them that you don't have to worry about it. You don't show emotion or yell, just correct and praise when they do good.
Saying what needs to be said!
Your a legend... I can’t imagine the pressure you must receive from the experts on social media for talking plain, simple and STRAIGHT.
Thank you.
I had to learn the hard way that the all „positive” way doesn’t work. My dog taught me how to correct unwanted behavior properly, when she started correcting me and I knew the roles needed to be reversed immediately. Now we have an honest relationship. Thanks for all the truthful information even though that comes criticism.
I wish I'd found you years ago. My 2 rescue dogs are 7 now (cane corso x lab) powerful and strong willed. I spent years and thousands on positive training and got nowhere.
After a few short sessions using these methods there is already improvement.
It will take time due to their age but now I'm seeing results I no longer dread taking them for a walk. They are still reactive on leash and one doesn't come off the lead at all as he's unpredictable, but the improvement is immense.
THANK YOU SO MUCH 😊
I like how you are blunt and do not deal with bs. Keep up the great work!
Joel I've been watching dog training videos since January 2020... If this video was around then I would be in a COMPLETELY different place today. I not only searched the internet for someone who could teach me an acceptable way to "punish" a dog but I also emailed so many TH-camrs and no one gave me an answer which I felt right with in my gut. This video is so simple, that's it's beauty, it just makes sense and it clears up all the nonsense that is out there. Thank you on behalf of every amateur pet owner/dog trainer to even serious dog trainers. This is worth thousands of dollars ... 💯
I can personally vouch for this info Joel is giving here
I have a dog , my neighbor has a dog .. I give dominant corrections to mine , she just practices positive enforcement (and tells me off when I punish my dog) .. her house is full of torn rugs , cushion covers and no maid is ready to work in her house (spoilt dog) ..
Meanwhile I sleep peacefully , my dog seeks my approval before DOING ANYTHING , even if he wants to play with guests/servants he looks at me for the heads-up ..
(Enough ranting lol)
servants? really?
@@tiahash2013 where are you from ?
@prajesh bhushan Born in Scotland, living in Australia
@@tiahash2013 Yeah , domestic help/servants arent that common there where you live. I live in India . It's common here for below middle class people to do dishes, cook food in others' homes for salary . They are not slaves , just employees for an hour of work .
Well done!
Perfect and clear! , the shaming from social media that stops dog owners from dealing with bad behaviour the way they should(as you said with people and kids) is way so many are in shelters, come on dog owners Grow some !,, thanks again
4:56 "Then you do it again, then you do it again, then you do it again, then the behavior goes away". So much truth; there has to be consistency for our dogs to learn what it's expected of them and what isn't.
Had a dog pull as soon as I opened the door. I worked him one afternoon- I would bring him back to the door threshold and have him mantain a stay. I would close the door the moment he tried walking through, and whenever he broke his stay I'd bring him back around. One afternoon and me working on it for 10 or so minutes and he knew what I expected of him: an open door is not an invitation. I will step out and once I've decided he's calm enough, I'll signal for him to come out. Same when coming back home! It was relieving not dreading opening the door.
Best. Dog. Training. Channel.
Period.
Nope. Peter Caine. Don’t use food to train.
Thank you!! It's my first year owning a dog and the stuff you mentioned in this video are accurate. Other training methods online barely helped but when I found your channel I understood more about what I needed to do to train my dog correctly and you helped me understand my dog better rather than finding a training method which didn't work out and kept attempting others which made the training process longer.
I could watch your videos all day. I love your approach. It has changed so much about how I relate to my dog. THANK YOU. love the life lesson here at the end.
I love you! I foster dogs and I end up fostering many dogs because the owner wouldn’t make the dog mind and they tore up the house and furniture, wouldn’t listen, and so on and so on. One week with me and they are sleeping in a crate at night, sitting and waiting to eat or get a treat and walking on a leash without pulling. You are spot on with your advice. ❤️❤️❤️
Bless you!🐾💕
Such a welcome change to hear the truth spoken. Love your calm, straightforward approach. What a breath of fresh air you are. I love my dog- he is treated extremely well and disciplined very fairly (when needed) and without irritation. I’m working on raising a wonderful companion with good manners who is a pleasure to be around.
I’ve sent this video to everyone I know with dogs! I’ve done this with my dog since watching your videos. I’ve learned so much from your channel, keep making these great videos.
I’m so glad I found this Chanel I always thought positive reinforcement alone isn’t enough. Dogs know what they can and can’t get away with if you let them.
Since using your techniques my puppy is more obedient. No nonsense sets them up for success as they grow they as long as we are consistent.
Thank you so much for your videos they are the best! 🥰
WOW...needed this today. Validates and confirms how I need to deal with someone who is currently living in my home. Thank you!
Thank you! I really needed this video right now. All the training I can find is positive, positive, positive, which doesn't deal with unwanted behaviour. Countersurfing is a perfect example - I can teach my dog to get off when she jumps up, and I can make sure there's not stuff up there to reinforce the bad behaviour, but she's not learning not to jump up in the first place! I have brought up 5 kids using both positive and punishment (even just saying no is a punishment) and they know that what I say goes, without ever needing physical punishment. I would love to get to that point with my dog. No wonder that there are more dogs with behaviour problems, because we are taught not to tell them off - these dogs are confused about what is right and what is wrong!
Omg. The way you start this video... 💯 I love it. Everytime you post a new video, I share it, and I tell people "God, I love this guy."
I've trained my puppy up with your advice to be an absolutely awesome puppy. She loose leash walks, she doesn't bark incessantly, I've taught her how to chill out, she has great recall (and when she doesnt I go get her and it's not a game) and now I've trained her to bring me trash instead of running around wildly being a nuisance.
I went to a dog training class once (didn’t know it was positive only, but should have known because of were I live, Sweden) and I discussed how I believe new behaviors can and should be trained positive only, but had doubts with really bad learned dangerous behaviors ie “problem” dogs threatened with euthanasia. She replied that she had worked with dogs such as this and only used positive methods…I still have my doubts. 😅
I have a 4 month old German Shepherd puppy. I’ve had her since she was 13 weeks. She’s generally a good pup. She is learning and listening but she’s got a long way to go and I have a lot to learn. Glad I found your channel early on, your methods are by far the best I’ve seen on TH-cam.
really needed to here this right now. New dog that I need to establish boundaries cause he thinks he has none. Had him 2 weeks and working with him but got frustrated today. Thanks for the pep talk.
FINALLY someone who speaks my language!!! Geez, I have been watching videos of how to train a very smart, large ,headstrong puppy & this is what is needed!! Thank you
I love your practical approach! It has been so helpful with training my high energy Boston. I was so discouraged for a time, but now at 9 mos we are seeing marked progress and are finally enjoying our dog!!!!
Couldn't agree more. Boundaries make dogs (and children alike) feel secure not unhappy. We've got the same craze about positive reinforcement in France and it's leading nowhere... Thanks for all your videos . Love your channel 👍🇫🇷💚🇺🇸👍
Joel, Thank you for the term punishment. I just started watching your videos February 2022. What a blessing you and your videos are ! I rescued a Plott Hound Spay female 9mo old that was dumped in my neighborhood Dec. 20th, 2022. I started training her immediately with sit, stay, walking on a leash, come, etc. My new dog thinks she can jump up on bed at least 3 times in the morning. Each time I say off, she gets off. Within 2 minutes she is up on the bed again. Next time she jumps up on the bed...... I will get out of bed, say off and then I will have her sit & look at her to reinforce I am the boss! This dog has many issues, but I am determined to love and train her with your videos to be a wonderful dog.
Repercussions for bad behavior works for kids and also works with dogs. My sister has the same breed dog as myself, because of this channel my dog now walks off leash around our yard, it is so nice to see a happy dog enjoying their space. My sister's dog is out of control, it destroys her home and tears everything up. Thank you for your channel it really works. I have a Chiweenie and she is loving walking off leash. She stays with me and then loves to sit in the lawn chair for hours.
I'm a fairly new subscriber...I really like the info and techniques you share. In any video of yours that I've watched, I have never seen you be mean to any of the dogs. I have seen you communicate clearly to them, I've seen you assess and consider each individual dog. Also, I don't see you suggesting anyone mistreat their dogs.
I'm glad I found your channel. You have helped me and your techniques are helping me be a better foster.
So, for what it's worth, when you say "punishment", it doesn't trigger me.
One of my acquaintances used to work with training service type dogs using, I think it was called, operant conditioning methods.
If a few viewers are bothered by a word and they don't see what you're teaching us.....they are missing out, which, in my humble opinion, is unfortunate for them. I really appreciate what I've learned from you. Thank you.
Thank you so much for your information. Before I found your channel, I was considering rehoming my 5 month ol gsd puppy, I thought she was too stubborn to be trained and was attacking my 4yr old collie. Because of your videos, she is calmer, and not attacking my collie. You have given me permission to correct my dog, without all of the weak positive only reinforcement most people advocate. I never let my children behave in a way that would bring the police to my door, so I'm not going to let my gsd bring the police either. I am the boss and she is now following me for guidance. THANK YOU SO MUCH
I've just watched a few of your videos so far. You are amazing. I just got a two year old dog a couple of days ago. She likes to lay down when you pet her. I don't like that. So I followed your advice in another video and just stopped petting her until she got back up. It was amazing. Within just a couple of minutes she learned not to lay down if she wants to be petted. I'm going to binge watch all of your videos.
Thank you. Your REAL canine advice in your channel is a refreshing red pill in this much too sensitive and fluff world. Thank you for what you do
Thank you! I love your firm resolve to call it like it is….PUNISHMENT! It says a lot about a person if they are offended by the word “punishment.”🤦🏼♀️
I love watching your videos! I don't even have problems with my dog, but I like the things you have to say and how you say them, so glad I found this channel
This approach has been so helpful to train my Rottweiler puppies. I used to feel bad if I said no, or stop it and addressed the behavior. Using only positive reinforcement doesn’t work there needs to be checks and balances. 🥰
Yes they do! Rottweilers are just amazing dogs and eager to please. But if you let them walk all over you, they will.😂
I agree 💯…. As a teacher for over 25 years… positive reinforcement doesn’t always work…I mean why should I give a kid a treat for doing something they should already be doing? I always set very clear expectations and always held my students accountable…and yes….it was always followed through with consequences…that’s the problem with parents today… they want to be friends with their kids instead of parents…and what are the results?… spoiled and out of control kids who have no boundaries placed in them! Thank you! Live your videos and I learn so much watching your techniques and how you handle situations…😊🙏🏼
A strong man in all sense of the word . Love your videos. You show sheer boundaries and discipline and I love it. As a woman I tend to have emotional reactions to my dogs bad behavior and then I feel guilty so having a strong disciplined man to say this is exactly what I need to do is gold.
Within 24hrs of bringing home my rescue dog, he counter surfed. My hubby gave him a firm "No! Bad!" had him sit and he hasnt done it ever again, its been just over 2yrs! First rescue Ive had as an adult, none of my raised pups ever attempted this behaviour, probably because we set the tone from day one.
Exactly this! All the dogs we have raised from pups have been well behaved, whereas our rescue dog is a challenge! We have to 'undo' all the bad habits she has from her previous owners!
This is exactly what I needed to hear today. Thank you.
Thank you for your straight forward videos. I have a new puppy and have watched tons of videos that only -- only recommend positive reinforcement. As with children, sometimes "punishment" is much more positive than a reward. Great job!
I appreciate this video and all your videos. Thank you so much for giving me hope with my dog.
Great video. A little bit of tough love goes a long way in saving your dog from a bad situation. 100% agree with you
Here in the Uk I used to work with dogs at an animal rescue and there was this Staffordshire Bull Terrier who bit people and she was re-homed and the couple are not allowed anyone over or anything because she will bite someone. Apparently I heard she was not like this before and then was returned for biting. This rescue was all about positive reinforcement and now she basically has no boundaries and is now being allowed to rule the roost which I think is ridiculous!!
You are so, so, correct!!!!!!
Great advice! I brought home a new puppy and I’m going to use your solid advice to raise her right. Thank you for the great tips!
I admire your straight forward approach, I have done the same with four large dogs over forty years. Currently have a four month Rottweiller and she understands now that no means NO! I am tired of PC dog owners who cannot differentiate between a dog and a human.
Another great tutorial. Every time I watch, I learn from you. Thank you.
👏👏👏👏 it’s not easy, but I’ve been working my butt off to be a good leader for my young male! And I’ve always loved how you say “subscribe this channel” like something you just have to add at the end😂. It shows your true passion for dogs and to share your knowledge.👏👏👏
Thank you for putting up these videos they have helped with my three dogs so much please keep posting
A refreshing perspective! It's not rocket science and very much like raising children if you have them. Even if you start out as a positive reinforcement parent, you quickly learn it's just not an effective method in raising well rounded kids. Similar with dogs. The only difference the window of opportunity to make or break a dog is so much smaller. So it's critical to get it right from the start! Thank you!
You mean you lose patience?
@@mongoosecavern no I mean I set boundaries. But yeah I loose patience too, generally with dense adults.
Absolutely dude!!!! This is 100 percent the best dog training channel on TH-cam
This guy is my favorite! I'm a dog sitter, dog owner, and veterinary student I definitely agree with his methods.
I have my puppy for about a month now, she turns 3 months next week and is unruly to say the least, i needed this video! Thank you
yep; i have fostered over 20 dogs and puppies the last two years and i learned that dogs are happier when they know what is expected of them and are told what to do. Even puppies can be taught boundaries (what do people think the mommy dog does when her puppies are acting crazy, redirect them?)
THANKYOU, so empowering to know you can reprimand your dog for bad behaviour, I feel I can no longer tell my dog “no” because “it’s cruel” that’s what we are told nowadays, just “treat them” until it stops 😫
It Will never stop with the treats. Mine only GOT worse and snapped at my throat and nose. Time to knock It Off with treats.
YES!!! Finally a REAL dog trainer, you just got a new subscriber! Thankyou
I love your channel. I'm a new dog owner and have tried all the positive reinforcement thing with a difficult Aussie. I'm still struggling with leash reactivity. I may need help with that.
I always tell clients they have to follow through or they are wasting their time. Many still don't.
Everyone needs to hear this!! It's not just about Dogs. Thanks Joel!!
No it's not only about dogs, that's why they do pet therapy (not with your dog). When you understand what a pup or a dog really needs you learn many things and also heal, even if people and dogs can't be compared, the attitude Is Always the same, for example to ovewhelm if there are no boundaries.
Couldn't agree more! Excellent pep talk.
Rupert: "jumps on counter"
me from over there: "off"
Rupert: *gets off
....repeat....
fml lol.
Appreciate the info! Doing my best to learn and be consistent but your totally spot on. Too much media/zak george/positive reinforcement bs. Its never been 100% with that stuff and my dogs not even that bad.
Saying no is absolutely necessary for dogs safety and security. People seem to think that saying no means constant negativity, when in reality it’s a VERY small percentage of the relationship. Overusing correction is the same as people who constantly yell at their kids, so they never listen. Using correction sparingly and when needed, means the dog really listens and recognizes the importance of the command.
This is exactly what I needed to
Hear. Thank you
Thank you so much! I can't tell you how your videos have helped me.
Yes! Thank you for this…I wish more people could hear this and understand the common sense of it!😊
The thing is ... Dogs practice this themselves with each other and all remains well between them.
"Punishment" to them is not "bad" -- it's just another part aspect of COMMUNICATION. That's it! 😂
Big huge sigh….thank you. I never had issues training a dog till I was too lenient with our new pup. Some times the internet is dangerous!
I love this content!! Keep the realness going ☺️
7 mo!!! Wow you’re more patient than me. My 7mo knows all the boundaries. As a high energy Aussie I couldn’t allow him to rule.
love it. Positive reinforcement doesn’t work all the time . My corgi girl doesn’t work with positive reinforcement when comes with correct her reactive behaviour. I tried out so many ways to train her, until I tried the method you showed on the video, she’s getting little bit better. I’m making progress .
Thank you for this fantastic content. You are teaching me so much
Thanks for your no BS approach to raising a good dog.
Spot on video - so refreshing to hear a voice of reason 👏👏
Thank you.
I think a lot of dog owners try to do things “nice” because they are afraid to get bit by their dog, or handle their dog. They don’t want to “hurt” them, emotionally or physically, so they don’t push or test their dogs. They don’t put their dogs in uncomfortable situations because they know they can’t handle a dog tantrum; so the keep their dog “mellow” (results vary with this method).
A lot of people don’t understand that their dog is not human and so dogs just don’t think like humans do and owners try to apply a whole school of (misunderstood, oversimplified) human/primate psychology to them and that’s jus not how dogs communicate. Dogs don’t care about human concepts, they just want simple no nonsense communication. There’s probably some overlaps, but dog and human psychology is not 1:1.
IT also doesn’t help that there’s a lot of propaganda out there that shut-outs any dog rearing tips that isn’t Jean Donaldson. Also, somehow, correcting your dog has been translated too “take your dog and slam it into the ground until it breaks it’s legs and learns it lesson”…. No dog trainer ever has done that. Jeff Gellman is the closest with his bonker stick, but no one really has ever listened to him before and he’s become irrelevant.
Adopted a 3.5 year old rescue 3 months ago. Fearful of people, kids, strangers, loud noises, the moon ( literally) with an insatiable desire to chase squirrels and rabbits. Lacked socialization obviously. Followed your desensitization techniques. 3 months later, honestly, all above phobias........gone. not a sign of them at all. Goes towards kids, strangers, doesn't care about the moon ( wierd phobia i know) and doesn't care about squirrels or rabbits. Remarkable.
And balanced the approach with positive reinforcement ( as you do) with corrections.
THANK YOU!
Amazing advice.....thank you.
YES! You are great. I can't say this enough! I agree 100% with Amanda Milo. This is COMMON sense stuff. And it does work on everything. I CAN NOT wait for you to have DVD's and or Books.
You know what I love, there are no bad comments! Because it’s true. Someone from a positive school dog training speaking here. Punishment is not bad. You are not even using harsh methods, but really, there are boundaries!
Love you chats my girl is so good just being normal but firm thank you for all your help and great explanations
This video is solid advice! Thank you!
Great advice. He should have more than a million subscribers.
Geez I'm building a lot of respect for you. When the word police come knocking you have the integrity to stand your ground. More people like you, and this world would be a much better place.
Thanks for the talk. You just described me with our nine month old Australian Labradoodle. Jumping and counter surfing are the problems. Always sound and logical advice.
One more great video. I watched hundred's of dog training video, and your are really the best one. Mindblown!
plain straightforward advice, thank you again.
You explaining this is such a waste of you and your other clients with serious dog problems' time. But I guess ppl need to hear this again and again. More power to you, man!
I always thought adding a correction was positive training? Adding something that lowers likelihood of behavior occuring in future.
Positive Reinforcement (R+)= adding something (reward) to increase the likelihood of a behavior repeating
Negative Reinforcement (R-)= removing something unpleasant to increase likelihood of a behavior
Positive Punishment (P+)= adding something (a correction) to decrease the likelihood of a behavior
Negative Punishment (P-)= take something pleasant away to decrease likelihood of a behavior
When people say they are “positive only” or force free what they usually mean is that they operate in the realm of R+ and P-, sometimes R- but never P+
I love your videos and your methods. You're very inspiring.