Q&A: Japanese Car Exporter! Auctions, Shipping and Buying Cars!

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  • Q&A: Japanese Car Exporter! Auctions, Shipping and Buying Cars!
    Website: japancardirect.com/
    Email: yoshi@japancardirect.com
    I sit down and interview Yoshiro Nakajima from Japan Car Direct a vehicle exporting company in Japan. Japan Car Direct can handle all your needs for purchasing and shipping a vehicle from Japan to your country.
    Thank you Yoshi for your time and wealth of information!!
    Thanks for watching and subscribe!!

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  • @hpautostyle
    @hpautostyle ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Thanks so much for sharing this information, so many people are unwilling to explain the process of buying a car in Japan

  • @davidbeaumont4455
    @davidbeaumont4455 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    I have had the pleasure of working online with Yoshiro 3 separate times! Great guy. His knowledge of both languages and cultures make him super valuable to a bidder.
    Also he’s really nice and super responsive to communications!
    I highly recommend Yoshi and JCD!
    Cheers!!

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for letting me know about your experience🤙🏾🤙🏾

    • @hustl3rterrace262
      @hustl3rterrace262 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can someone pls share his contact please

    • @Glodencloud114
      @Glodencloud114 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@hustl3rterrace262 it's in the description

    • @shehabalam8795
      @shehabalam8795 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I want buying swift and export india how much money

    • @CrisbysHangout
      @CrisbysHangout 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm completely new at buying export cars thanks for this info I saved his website also .
      What do we need to do once the car arrives at our port? I heard something about a broker? What is a broker what does he do and how or where do we find one if we need it? Also you mentioned in the video that this export company does all the paperwork needed to export a car. But again what is needed on my part once the car has arrived at my port ?

  • @Neil_Gordon
    @Neil_Gordon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Fascinating insight and I've learnt so much. Thanks for taking the time to put this video together. You both come across as genuine and sincere people. All the best to you both.

  • @michaelrivera2030
    @michaelrivera2030 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    i've been recently getting intersted i nbuying a car from japan(my dream car) and as other commenters stated, most jdm car youtubers dont really give any info on purchasing jdm cars so this was very informative

  • @sharmusiaosifiniki7833
    @sharmusiaosifiniki7833 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So very appreciated for the video providing useful information.

  • @johnchungmintat8716
    @johnchungmintat8716 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Looks like this is what I am looking for , every single detail help

  • @tday99music
    @tday99music ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great info. Thanks for sharing. Will be looking to Yoshi when i decide to bring some over.

  • @tretheafrotraveler
    @tretheafrotraveler 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is exactly what I needed to see.

  • @ianpatrick4796
    @ianpatrick4796 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    wooow, this guy explained it so well

  • @Gupadodo
    @Gupadodo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This is a very informative video! It's always nice to get a look at the man behind the curtain. Yoshi seems like a really squared away dude. Thanks for sharing!

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for watching...yep I learned alot from him too.

  • @aleksnorth5098
    @aleksnorth5098 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thank you gentlemens.

  • @fairlaizi_d
    @fairlaizi_d 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    wow thank you for the Info!!!

  • @vin605
    @vin605 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very informative thanks for sharing

  • @arturasstatkus8613
    @arturasstatkus8613 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank You,Sir.

  • @tombracejr4024
    @tombracejr4024 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Super glad I saw this video. I just emailed yoshi. I’m pumped to chat with him tomorrow 👍

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Let Yoshi know you watched the video👍🏾

  • @Liberty4Ever
    @Liberty4Ever ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Thank you for this very informative video. Yoshi appears to be a very honest man who provides a very valuable service. I registered at Japan Car Direct and hope to get a nice 4WD kei truck shipped to the USA.

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Let me know what you get👍🏾🤙🏾

  • @atifnaro
    @atifnaro ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very helpful video. Been on different videos from different traders and companies but man this is the best one. Will contact yoshi next week. Thanks a lot for your help.

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you and let me know what you get👍🏾👍🏾

  • @cyberteron
    @cyberteron 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Sir its so informative and helpful
    I really appreciate your effort

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you👍🏾👍🏾im glad the video helped you.

  • @carloswilliams4112
    @carloswilliams4112 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very goood info👍🏽

  • @giotto4321
    @giotto4321 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very informative video, many thanks. Even having heard it was fast, it was super impressive how quickly the bidding process on one car went from start to finish!

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching🤙🏾

  • @kevinjo02
    @kevinjo02 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video guys! Very informative and much appreciated

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching👍🏾👍🏾

  • @mikkeldammann
    @mikkeldammann 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great info :) thanks

  • @d.russel8836
    @d.russel8836 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for this video!

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I hope it helped you. If you get a car let me know🤙🏾🤙🏾

  • @waleriasimanekenikatrinaka8604
    @waleriasimanekenikatrinaka8604 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing🤗

  • @hastingsmwamughunda6292
    @hastingsmwamughunda6292 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's so clear.

  • @JK360noscope
    @JK360noscope 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great explanation on the JDM restrictions.
    Would love to work with this company to get into importing!

  • @aidandeasy7145
    @aidandeasy7145 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Currently on my 12th car through JCD
    I work with Taylor who works for JCD
    Most definetly the easiest company and most transparent to go through! Taylor and Yoshi are top guys 💪

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm glad they helped you get a ride🤙🏾what rides did you get?

    • @aidandeasy7145
      @aidandeasy7145 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@livingthislife altezza, jzx81, chaser, celsior, supercharged RUNX, cresta, acty, gt apex levin and afew more

    • @restfulplace3273
      @restfulplace3273 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good to hear

  • @thatomagogwe9987
    @thatomagogwe9987 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Content on point.... I am loving it

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Boss🤙🏾🤙🏾👍🏾

    • @Martinuzm4
      @Martinuzm4 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      A mme go a direga, ga go tshwane hela le go reka locally?

  • @BicycleFunk
    @BicycleFunk 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    12:20 that'd be me. This video is awesome, thank you!

  • @r33que
    @r33que ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for this video bro , had yoshiro help me bid on a Ecr33 I just won at auction 🤝🏽

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  ปีที่แล้ว

      Great news..thnx for watching👍🏾👍🏾🤙🏾

  • @tjw8t1
    @tjw8t1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I bought a car with Yoshi back in 2020 and had a wonderful experience with JCD. I tell everyone interested in importing a car from Japan to use them.

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm glad you had a good experience...great company of people.

  • @thatoranno594
    @thatoranno594 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We PRIORITIZE

  • @srpennygabriel7930
    @srpennygabriel7930 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting

  • @lilvic372
    @lilvic372 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video I immediately knew from the accent you were from Guam 🇬🇺 🤙🏾

  • @laffytaffy6793
    @laffytaffy6793 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Awesome vid brother both you and Yoshi! I'm actually currently living here in Tokyo Japan, going on 11 years( Chamorro from Guam) ! I speak fluent Japanese but damm Yoshi's English is awesome! Lol!!
    Would love to link up with you if your ever here in Tokyo!

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hafa Adai Yan Biba Mes Chamorro🤙🏾🤙🏾🍒

  • @michaelwilcock3622
    @michaelwilcock3622 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Great info. Just a heads up, in Australia we have a rule like the US 25 year rule but ours in cut off at 1989. So you can import into Australia anything built on or be for 1989. I've imported a Prelude and CRX with success.

    • @mzee5533
      @mzee5533 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Here in Canada is 15yrs. I’m currently running a 2004 W211 E320 for 2 yrs now

    • @soundofprice
      @soundofprice 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Interesting Kenya is 7 years...

    • @bigsmoke8486
      @bigsmoke8486 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      nice bro how can I contact u I’m from New Zealand

  • @davidpalmer8419
    @davidpalmer8419 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Been working with Taylor and the service has been great so far. Looking forward to my 94 Lancer Evo 2 hitting the states :)

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  ปีที่แล้ว

      Great to hear👍🏾👍🏾let me know when you get that ride.

    • @r33que
      @r33que ปีที่แล้ว

      How long did it take you to confirm your booking ? And to receive pictures of car?

    • @davidpalmer8419
      @davidpalmer8419 ปีที่แล้ว

      @R33QUE still waiting unfortunately

    • @mommajeff
      @mommajeff ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@David Palmer do you have the car yet?

    • @davidpalmer8419
      @davidpalmer8419 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Kermit4life nope still waiting. 5 months later :(

  • @othadvoverthehilladventure5490
    @othadvoverthehilladventure5490 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great videos! Reaching out to Yoshi now...

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Tell him you watched the video👍🏾👍🏾and thanks for watching, subscribe too👍🏾

    • @othadvoverthehilladventure5490
      @othadvoverthehilladventure5490 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Living This Life shoot me a message if able. Would love to hear more about the process of paperwork and getting your truck from the port. Eralfordiv@icloud.com

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@othadvoverthehilladventure5490 sorry for the late reply...you can find me at 1erskin on instagram..If you got the ride already congrats🤙🏾

    • @propertydealer3468
      @propertydealer3468 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sir car business karna chahta hu

  • @majorbean
    @majorbean 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    soundsticks my beloved

  • @Solar_Guru_1
    @Solar_Guru_1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    U can read these sheets I use the app google translate and it has a photo option to translate it into any language very useful. I am looking for a company that will do all my import paper work correct on that side so i have no issues on my side. Like past owner de register and translation of documents legally.

  • @rukashin
    @rukashin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This guys English very good

  • @luxembourgtbonbon4376
    @luxembourgtbonbon4376 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sorry ! . Mr Yoshi . Great 👌 jobs, by the way , you speak fluently English ! . Congrats ...

  • @mikeprevitera5839
    @mikeprevitera5839 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    How do I contact Yoshi? Do I just go to the website listed in the description? He was so helpful and pleasant I want to deal with him. Awesome video!!

  • @buddinify
    @buddinify วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks for the very informative video. Do I need a membership if I want to bid by myself?

  • @timjim875
    @timjim875 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I want to import into Ireland because of brexit it’s cheaper to import from Japan than from the U.K and we both have right hand drive steering wheels as we drive on the left.

  • @rafaelmeneses5066
    @rafaelmeneses5066 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How does the money generally xfer to your team from foreign countries? Thanks for the info

  • @blackpassenger
    @blackpassenger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    just moved back to japan from san fran and am very interested in getting in this business. ask yoshi san if I could work with him.

  • @doomsday751
    @doomsday751 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m interested in more of a project car. Is that possible? I would like to build the car myself.

  • @tikotiko4576
    @tikotiko4576 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yoshi do you have brunch in Auckland New Zealand

  • @shannonhutchinson4084
    @shannonhutchinson4084 ปีที่แล้ว

    Registered and messaged this shipping company and waiting for a call or email.

  • @yourefriendlyneighborhoodbuddy
    @yourefriendlyneighborhoodbuddy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I cannot wait till I get money I'm getting me a delica and or an FD or 280 or 240Z

  • @frankbjr1250
    @frankbjr1250 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very informative, going through the process now

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Awesome...let me know what your get🤙🏾

    • @frankbjr1250
      @frankbjr1250 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@livingthislife picking up a skyline gts-t. One of my dream cars but finally available here 🙏

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@frankbjr1250 Great ride...I need one👍🏾

    • @barcodesk8
      @barcodesk8 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@frankbjr1250 did you go through yoshi? Everything work out?

    • @frankbjr1250
      @frankbjr1250 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@barcodesk8 everything worked out great! Thanks

  • @Joost-xi3wu
    @Joost-xi3wu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the video! Lover it. I want to get in contact with Yoshi but i can’t find his info. Could you please send it, thanks !

  • @restfulplace3273
    @restfulplace3273 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What can you tell me about importing Nissan leaf to Australia?
    What shipping & customs costs should I expect?

  • @mb_a5383
    @mb_a5383 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you import to California, are there restrictions? Smog eqpt, driver side? Stuff like that.

  • @aaronrenteria6756
    @aaronrenteria6756 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just contacted yoshi hopefully he replies 🙏🏽

  • @alexwensjoe
    @alexwensjoe ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yoshi looking like we just intruded his meth lab or his work flow 🤣🤣 i love it! He’s straight to the point

  • @ograymond7448
    @ograymond7448 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yoshi is the best !

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      🤙🏾🤙🏾

    • @elisenghitete9435
      @elisenghitete9435 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@livingthislifehi, I would like to contact Yoshi, how do I go about it?

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@elisenghitete9435 visit their website ...info in the video description

  • @Joe_Lebowski
    @Joe_Lebowski 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interested in any changes for UK cars now we have Brexit. I would anticipate it would be harder but I would interested in anyone’s experience of this.

  • @awakenedsoul2638
    @awakenedsoul2638 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do they sell left hand drive sports cars and import it to Philippines?

  • @Coloradoaudits
    @Coloradoaudits 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What is the cost for your labor and inspections

  • @nardocat9842
    @nardocat9842 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I have them inspect a car that’s at a dealer? Like Winmans auto group?

  • @leylanddehaan2650
    @leylanddehaan2650 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you ever shipped vehicles to Guyana ?

  • @msantos7095
    @msantos7095 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it now allowed to ship in Philippines?

  • @sergioramirez1693
    @sergioramirez1693 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Even new cars. Say someone wants a Gr Corolla or a Gr that we don’t get here in the states can you actually get one

  • @damionlee4381
    @damionlee4381 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good day I'm in Jamaica WATS oldest car can ship are❔

  • @jeremyhbr5890
    @jeremyhbr5890 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey!
    Car is warranty on the boat ?
    Thanks

  • @peterelungat1030
    @peterelungat1030 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are those people still in operations?

  • @kasikomicheal1526
    @kasikomicheal1526 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the auto updates,however you have limited to the first world cars,at the expence of the beginners

  • @kumbeewendytjiteere3027
    @kumbeewendytjiteere3027 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mr. Nakajima afternoon, ist possible to import use bakkie car from japan to Namibia and please view the price for me if it's possible.

  • @exposingshirknadeemzakir6570
    @exposingshirknadeemzakir6570 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wanna import car from Japan to England. Do you export to England also?

  • @natemac8473
    @natemac8473 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dang! Mans just won an rx7 for about $6k usd. Granted this is back in 2019.

  • @lucianbrighi
    @lucianbrighi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your fees are separate from the car price from the auction.? For a £7000 car how much will i pay extra for your fees and shipping to uk ?

  • @tinongtravels7182
    @tinongtravels7182 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Very informative video! Do you have an estimate how much it might take for a car valued at 5.4M yen to the philippines?

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm not familiar with cost to ship to the Philippines, you can contact Yoshi for more information🤙🏾🤙🏾

  • @dogerman09
    @dogerman09 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sir salamat po info, pwede ko ho ba kayo i meet pag nag visit kami sa Japan?

  • @NikkisNugs
    @NikkisNugs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing info, I just sent a request to have you find my dream.

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's it👍🏾👍🏾let me know what you get🤙🏾

    • @NikkisNugs
      @NikkisNugs 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@livingthislife Still no word from them. I hope they get back to me soon. I'm ready to buy

  • @marthandahafaalweendo1524
    @marthandahafaalweendo1524 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    how much is the shippin fee for 4 cars to a country lyk namibia in africa

  • @StopTargetingOurKids
    @StopTargetingOurKids 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I want a diesel land cruiser. My jeep jk has been a real "treat"

  • @Argie_758
    @Argie_758 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Id like to order a car from Japan to the Caribbean but I want to know the best Japanese site to order from. Any help?

  • @dennisselomo8239
    @dennisselomo8239 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What is you campany are you working for

  • @user-uv8wd5hq1j
    @user-uv8wd5hq1j 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What is the name of the website?

  • @markjaysonmendoza473
    @markjaysonmendoza473 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sir do you ship cars to Philippines because I am looking for volkswagen new beetle 2004. Even its old or not working as long as the body is not broken I will take it. Even the paint already tarnished no problem.

  • @harveyfritz
    @harveyfritz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what about guam

  • @cuddy5958
    @cuddy5958 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can someone let me kno if auction sheets always handwritten?

  • @JohnSmith-yr6je
    @JohnSmith-yr6je 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does anyone know anything about selling American muscle cars in Japan?

  • @Anil-gt2kn
    @Anil-gt2kn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    before shipping to US, do you change the stering to other side ...US drives on left ve Japan uses right? how does that work and how much that cost?

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You dont need to change the steering position if the vehicle is 25 yrs or older..its exempt.

  • @theo_konstantinou
    @theo_konstantinou ปีที่แล้ว

    How much can get a Swift sport 2019-2021 ?

  • @apolux6190
    @apolux6190 ปีที่แล้ว

    I need to buy a hummer bus yoshi

  • @javanifredericks9338
    @javanifredericks9338 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    world wide shipping?

  • @augustepelema1683
    @augustepelema1683 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How do I get in touch with you for your services

  • @jackbalde8261
    @jackbalde8261 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What part of Japan u from

  • @mtayagmarcusstevens.5219
    @mtayagmarcusstevens.5219 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Do they also change the right to left-hand drive when delivering the vehicle to the Philippines and how much?

    • @msantos7095
      @msantos7095 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes follow up on this

    • @ketchup521
      @ketchup521 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@msantos7095 no they dont lmao

  • @zimlines6504
    @zimlines6504 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How can l contact these guys any leads?

  • @davidguillen3017
    @davidguillen3017 ปีที่แล้ว

    Es confiable esta página?

  • @TheDataUpsurge
    @TheDataUpsurge 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m after Subaru sti imported to uk

    • @TheDataUpsurge
      @TheDataUpsurge 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is this possible

    • @coopsnz1
      @coopsnz1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You will pay 20% vat tax on top, not worth it if a sedan in Japan 1.5 milion yen

  • @mattwilson6489
    @mattwilson6489 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any advice on TCV

  • @restfulplace3273
    @restfulplace3273 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The pre roll ads are a bit much.

  • @RyanNX211
    @RyanNX211 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Biennial- once every two years
    Biannual - twice a year.
    Otherwise , outstanding English!

  • @tenminutetokyo2643
    @tenminutetokyo2643 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I want a HiJet big time.

    • @livingthislife
      @livingthislife  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Contact Yoshi he can help you get that Hijet.....Japancardirect.com helped me👍🏾👌🏾👍🏾

    • @sajjadmahar7655
      @sajjadmahar7655 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello! Our company is currently working from Osaka Japan. We export all kind of cars, trucks, machinery. If you are interested in doing business with us then we can discuss about it and make a deal🤝our company is working for 15 years and we have customers from many countries. Thank you so much.
      For further details;
      Email:sam107mahar@gmail.com
      Phone number: 00818042411072

  • @Mikashintaro
    @Mikashintaro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is there a steering conversion service there before import to philippines?

    • @technofo480
      @technofo480 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello steering conversion is possible in philippine depend on zone subic or cube !