have to say, I'm not a fan of the rewind intro. It just wastes time repeating the same thing. I like your orginal simple intro. Hi, this is patrick, we have this here today.
My Wish list : Give us the prices right at the beginning. I watch and consider if I should buy one just for the hell of it to mess around with but this creates a bit more price sensitivity for me. Have you ever watched NASCompares do product comparisons ? Robbie does a great job of putting the price and features of both units on screen through a large part of his videos and that is a huge help. Just my $0.02 .
Most creators don’t mention price or do so at the end to get the watch time. I understand both sides but it sucks as the consumer to not no the price up front.
I asked Intel prior to launch, and we did not get pricing on these. We got a range from $380 to over $1000 depending on the model and configuration for the entire NUC 13 Pro line. Since we are not a reseller to be able to provide objective information, we do not get the pricing before the launch on some things like this.
Patrick, you are my goto, favorite tech channel. The latest and greatest from home to datacenter are here, with metrics, use cases and key lessons learned. Wish I have had some class that boldly resembled the topic of this channel back in my grad school days. 🏴☠👍
I'd love if the mobile Celerons had ECC memory support. Especially when the n5000 and n6000 series are vastly superior to their predecessors. Imagine having a low power yet quite capable motherboard + cpu for under $200 with ECC memory support.
Why would ANYBODY buy a computer WITHOUT ECC? Do people really not care about their data anymore? It is because people are too ignorant about how big this problem is? I do not know why they call it PRO? PRO what? Pro data loss?
Good luck finding RAM in this form factor that has ECC support. There are very, very, very few brands that offer it. Test your RAM fully for 72 hours -- not joking around here, a full 3 days.
For some people the vPro i7 version of NUC 13 (NUC13L3*v7) might be worth looking into, those have the i7-1370P, which has 2 more P cores vs the 1360P. Otherwise I find the rest of the NUC 13 Pro lineup rather disappointing, they don’t offer much more than last year’s Wall Street Canyon, especially because Intel went with DDR4 again. p.s. Intel makes an I-225 NIC module for “tall” NUCs, fits in the M.2 2242 slot. I got one for my NUC, using it as a pfSense box.
Yeah, the use of DD4 is a bummer imho. Some other brands are already using dd5 on 12th gen. I think the current pfsense version (7/1/2023) can use i226.
I have a 10th gen Nuc i5 connected to my TV and I absolutely love it. I also happen to have a Razr Core X that I used for 3D rendering, but once in a while I plug into my NUC and play some games.. it works great.
I'm a fan of mini-PC's, but am also a fan of them using minimal power and running silently. These higher-end "NUC pro's" fetch $700-$1100+ price tags and I have difficulty seeing how much demand they'll actually have in a competitive market where traditional PC's (for gaming, for example) can be built and customized with higher-end CPU's and much beefier GPU's for around the same price point, or lower. I do own a couple of Intel NUCs (11th gen), but they use 10-15W and have N5105 CPUs. They work perfectly for media centers, network controller software, and general purpose (remote gaming terminals)...with little to no hit to my electric bill. They also cost under $200 loaded up with 512GB NVMe SSD's and 32GB of DDR4 RAM. For general home use I just see these higher-end NUCs being impractical and too costly. Perhaps small to medium business is the market Intel is targeting here...they'd be nice for general video/photo editing purposes where space is an issue, requiring the smaller footprint of the NUC. For edge computing, network appliance, and media center use purposes they're overkill.
Agreed. Apple is doing something similar with the M2 Mac Mini, but that's in an aesthetically-pleasing aluminum shell. These plastic boxes scream "business", but if they were aggressively priced - say, $400, then I could see these being used as standard PCs. Most people (i.e. non-gamers) don't go beyond the power that this box offers.
100%. For non-gamers they're almost but not quite priced in a sweet spot to replace standard PC's. If they were priced under $600, I could see them picking up some traction in the home market, as well as with businesses.
Agree, I've just picked up 11th gen Intel NUC with i3-1154G with 512GB SSD for 200$ and I believe that's the best what you can get on the market these days. I will pair it with some DDR4 I have and I can easily use it as a home office computer. I think Apple offers better value in the 600-700$ price range than high-profile barebone NUCs.
I work for a company that sells IntelNUC but also OEM NUC (custom boards, custom chassis). Don't want to advertise here but you do have cheaper options when it comes to NUC. What you are paying for when buying a more expensive IntelNUC is their support. Now Intel support (bios/drivers) is not the best out there, they stop supporting after 2+ years on avg. Just as an example, we are offering SKUs with AMD Ryzen procs and AMD Radeon Vega3 integrated gpu for as little as 400€ and with that providing up to 5 years support. There are options out there.
depends what you're doing for edge computing. these things can run some serious docker containers. Also if you buy these for use as office appliances, they likely won't need to be upgraded for 7+ years, and thats a big deal for companies. You're right that I wouldn't but them for home unless you want to make an energy efficient homelab and serve some serious applications. I personally use three of the 12th gen ones as a kubernetes cluster and even under serious load, the whole cluster runs at ~80W
Really like NUC design and form factor. I just wish 13 Pro had a microSD slot. There are 1TB microSD cards now. It's a great way to expand storage for less important files
TBH I love these videos because I dream of making an HTPC with a NUC or a mini PC. But sadly, the prices in my region/country for NUCs and Mini PC are wild. So i'd probably just watch you tinker with them.
I can't believe you didn't swap the power supplies, and test them. I'm wondering if simply buying a better power supply for the AsRock might close some of the gap. Although, I'm fairly certain that some of the difference may be attributed to firmware settings, and cooling performance. Perhaps a UEFI/BIOS update will help narrow some of that lead? You failed to mention what BIOS version you were running.
We did swap them before doing the video. Results were very close. We test things out-of-the-box because that is how most people use them. Even Ganesh at Anandtech saw similar patterns and they will use custom BIOS to get better performance from ASRock systems. The ASR system has been out for some time so we would expect it to be more mature
dual network connections would make clustering these much easier - you should think about benching 3 at a time when the time comes which is now with usb4 - addin a couple usb10gbe would be a good addition for builders/after mkt #line card
The one I got last year (12th gen) from SimplyNUC was a dual-nic option. I've never ordered from there so I was a bit confused as to whether this is normal with them, but, the board inside was an ASRock - the same one their own branded 'Industrial' line-up has in it. It seems to be a solid piece at any rate. I did end up having to remove and lap the heatsink over some fairly major temp swings even with no constant load.
Thanks for this review! I’ve picked up two NUC 13 pros 1360p to use a with Proxmox VE for a virtualisation and networking home lab. Haven’t quite got Proxmox 7.4 to like the Thunderbolt ports for cluster networking yet, but everything else is working great, and I’m hoping a new Linux kernel/Proxmox 8 will fix that up. Update: Thunderbolt network issue was resolved by an Intel BIOS update. Iperf can now run at 15-17gbit/sec between my two nodes. :) Thanks again for the great videos and articles!
These Intel NUC girls are just amazing. Many pros. I am owning my sixth NUC right now. Cons: Annoying fans, plastic housing, no plain Displayport, DDR4 only, no i7-1280p or i7-1370p (6 power cores) available ☹️ And: Who needs HDMI on his PC? Maybe one might be helpful, for special purposes.
You are correct that different BIOS settings and ASR I think has other firmware. Since the CPU is soldered we have to expect the system maker is tuning optimally in their out-of-box config. 99%+ of folks will not go tune things in BIOS
In my mind, "NUCs are cute, but not very powerful" Then I compare speed to my nuclear-power-plant-killing Dell T5600 with dual xeon e5-2650... Yeah I need a NUC! At least I was smart enough to configure sleep settings on my T5600.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo My home setup now is running a Beelink GTR5 5900HX and then I have a dual Xeon E-52697A v4 server (that, relatively speaking), is sipping about 550-600 W of power (vs. the 1200 W of power that I was using previously) and I am able to do everything I need to with this combination of systems. I used to also have two HP Z420 workstations and each was sucking back somewhere in the order of 500 W (single Intel Xeon E5-2690 (v1)). I just wished that the Intel NUC's thermal management solution was better able to handle the higher power limits of their P1 and P2 for an extended period of time, so that you can get the best performance for the dollar out of these systems (which is also a part of the reason why I ended up with the Beelink GTR5 5900HX - no thermal throttling - unlike the Intel NUCs). (Every single Intel NUC I've ever had, if you allow it to Turbo up, will hit 100 C and thermal throttle.)
With those idle power mesurements, the Intel unit seems better for intermittent bursty loads and the Asrock unit better for sustained loads. However, I wonder if this form factor is suitable for such power-intensive tasks. Could you make a video that explores how different workloads affect the durability and reliability of these tiny micro PCs?
Good content. Have you seen any decent fanless options appear yet? Was looking at the Asus PL64 but it's still not out and already a bit outdated (DDR4, USB 3.2 only, etc).
I'd prefer an AMD based mini PC with RDNA 3 integrated graphics and 8 CPU cores with 16 threads. I'd want 32 or 64GB DDR5 and 1-2 TB NVMe PCIe 4 SSD storage. I'd want 2.5Gbps Ethernet and Wi-Fi 6E. I'd want Thunderbolt and HDMI ports as well as USB A 3.2 ports. I'd want great thermal management, too. The latest Minis Forum product you reviewed sounded really good to me.
I always wanted to like NUCs, but after owning some, I don't. Way too much noise under load... not for this crazy amount of money (NUC itself + Ram + Nvme).
Thanks your sharing your opinions on both - viewers can pick the one which fits their needs the best. ps. I like the intel for the added m2 slot and the cooling extras even if it comes at higher idle and thermals.
I'm considering this: Intel NUC 13 Pro Kit NUC13ANKi3 Intel Core i3-1315U 377 USD locally, fast shipping. Fairly reasonable price, but not terrible compared to what you're getting. Maybe put 64 GB in it for Proxmox or sth else.
I will only say, the sound effects (swooshes n rewind) are (IMHO) mildly annoying, cuz it always reminds me of "mainstream media" kind of style of videos. I really do enjoy your content tho, it's just a personal nitpick. Cheers!
I'm wanting to build a new router with 4 ethernet ports. 2 LAN & 2 WAN as I want to have failover for my internet as well as physically separating a guest network.
I'm seeing the NUC 12's with a i7, 16GB DD$ RAM & 256GB NVMe for a little higher cost than a NUC 13 i5, but other wise the same configuration. For a home user, and other than the price, is an i7 going to get me that much more performance? I kind of doubt it. BTW... It's hard to tell from these videos what the noise levels really are...
I'm a developper and I love retro gaming. I have flashed a My Passeport external SSD, which is one of the faster external drives on the market, with Batocera, a retrogaming OS. I want a NUC That would be good for development purpose, I'd install either W10 or Ubuntu on it, and boot on the Passeport for retrogaming. There won't be any recent games running on this, the roughest software that will need to run is Visual Studio Code or MAYBE Visual Studio.... What NUC should I get?
I bought a NUC11BTNI9 Extreme and ended up sending it back. It would not run my favorite graphics program that I have spent 8 years learning. I have tried to change over to a newer one but it's too much. Once you know a program, you get really comfortable with it. Also the front 2 USB ports were flaky, one would work, then both, then none. I can't have that in a new machine.
Patrick: this is a weird question, but i figure you're the kinda guy to ask. Do you know of any NUC-sized HDD enclosures (or if that doesn't exist, SSD) so it functions as an extension bay? I know, I could just put them in a NAS, or regular enclosure (or just get rid of them). But I want to keep the footprint and looks as uniform and minimal as possible.
Asus has taken over the Intel NUK line in early 2024. As far as enclosures for SSDs, I purchased a USB 2/3 stick to mount my NVMe SSD in to transfer my Windows 10 operating system from my laptop to my new NUC. Then I upgraded it to Windows 11. The USB sticks come in different flavors depending on your type of chewing gum size SSD. Micro Center handles the sticks which are about 6” long and take three different lengths of SSD. You can just mount your SSD in one, buy an extension cable and plug in your external SSD. It kind of works like a flash thumb drive only the system calls it a SCSI drive. I have a 1 gb SD card and it is S L O W.
Greetings from India!! A specialized request. Pl make video on low power NUC or MiniPC build that provides upto 128 GB ECC Ram and can be a host for Proxmox which virtually hosts TrueNAS by exporting HDD and has PCI port which can extend number of SSDs supported via an extension box. Intension is to build a low power home combo NAS/Virtual Server & Database Server, which is powerful when required/in use but mostly sits idle at home consuming little power. ECC Ram is required for Databases. Wonder if these lines have progressed enough to support this use case. Enjoy your shows!! Pl keep up the good work. Rgds.
I recently came across an article stating that the ASRock NUC Box-1360P/D4 supports ECC memory through its BIOS settings. Can anyone verify if Intel's NUC models offer similar ECC support?
WHY do they still have ddr4 ? Beelink already uses ddr5 on their 12th gen. Missed opportunity. Why ? Because 48Gig modules (ddr5) are coming out and will work. The max on these will be 64Gig. With ddr5 you can go 92Gig ram. These machines are so powerful you can run virtualization/containers on them and you'd want as much memory as you can.
Love my NUC11 ($175). Unfortunately, the HDMI port stopped working after less than a year. But there is a three year warranty. I dropped it off yesterday to be checked.
Since the USB-C’s are labelled as Thunderbolt, I believe you should be able to make use of one of those external GPU enclosures with this. If you are not going to move the NUC though, I’d skip it and get a case that can just take the GPU inside - saves having two power supplies and the handicap of thunderbolt which is equivalent to a PCIe Gen3 x4 connection.
Absolutely not, in no way/shape/form. Not only are the units not wired that way (re: power draw), but USB C cannot provide that voltage nor wattage. If you want that, you need USB ports which are distinctly designed for high power, i.e. USB-PD 3.x with very good EPR support. The product has to be designed for this specific use case.
I want a new NUC like this but with out of band management, it would make a great ESXI/Proxmox home lab I have the Gen8 now running ESXI, I just wish it could be a true headless unit
Hey, thanks for the informative review. However, as a native English speaker from the Northeast, you speak way too fast and it is difficult to understand much of your description. For what it's worth....
Provide justification for the increased bandwidth DDR5 provides. What are you doing with a NUC that would justify such needs? Or are you arguing purely from a DIMM availability standpoint?
"But we bought the wrong one!....". Yeah right!. You gonna review it anyway. These NUCs never really appeal to me. The Tiny,Mini, Micro ones are way better and useful.
have to say, I'm not a fan of the rewind intro. It just wastes time repeating the same thing. I like your orginal simple intro. Hi, this is patrick, we have this here today.
Yea, I have to agree
Patrick, you're awesome..... but ya. Same.
I used to like it, but it got old quickly
N he sounds like a desperate pushy salesman!!
Agreed. The rewind is good once or twice and then maybe for some just absolutely spectacular once or twice a year.
My Wish list : Give us the prices right at the beginning. I watch and consider if I should buy one just for the hell of it to mess around with but this creates a bit more price sensitivity for me. Have you ever watched NASCompares do product comparisons ? Robbie does a great job of putting the price and features of both units on screen through a large part of his videos and that is a huge help. Just my $0.02 .
I agree. Knowing the price up front helps with the review.
Most creators don’t mention price or do so at the end to get the watch time. I understand both sides but it sucks as the consumer to not no the price up front.
I asked Intel prior to launch, and we did not get pricing on these. We got a range from $380 to over $1000 depending on the model and configuration for the entire NUC 13 Pro line. Since we are not a reseller to be able to provide objective information, we do not get the pricing before the launch on some things like this.
also measurements would be nice to see in a chart too
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Fair enough. But, you could still tell us that up front.
Patrick, you are my goto, favorite tech channel. The latest and greatest from home to datacenter are here, with metrics, use cases and key lessons learned. Wish I have had some class that boldly resembled the topic of this channel back in my grad school days. 🏴☠👍
Would kill for a nuc with ECC support
I'd love if the mobile Celerons had ECC memory support. Especially when the n5000 and n6000 series are vastly superior to their predecessors.
Imagine having a low power yet quite capable motherboard + cpu for under $200 with ECC memory support.
Why would ANYBODY buy a computer WITHOUT ECC? Do people really not care about their data anymore? It is because people are too ignorant about how big this problem is? I do not know why they call it PRO? PRO what? Pro data loss?
That's a little extreme, what would you even gain reducing performance for ecc support?
Good luck finding RAM in this form factor that has ECC support. There are very, very, very few brands that offer it. Test your RAM fully for 72 hours -- not joking around here, a full 3 days.
Interesting would also be the models with the i7-1370P (NUC13ANKv7, -ANHv7, -L3Hv7, -L3Kv7)
For some people the vPro i7 version of NUC 13 (NUC13L3*v7) might be worth looking into, those have the i7-1370P, which has 2 more P cores vs the 1360P. Otherwise I find the rest of the NUC 13 Pro lineup rather disappointing, they don’t offer much more than last year’s Wall Street Canyon, especially because Intel went with DDR4 again.
p.s. Intel makes an I-225 NIC module for “tall” NUCs, fits in the M.2 2242 slot. I got one for my NUC, using it as a pfSense box.
Yeah, the use of DD4 is a bummer imho. Some other brands are already using dd5 on 12th gen. I think the current pfsense version (7/1/2023) can use i226.
I have a 10th gen Nuc i5 connected to my TV and I absolutely love it. I also happen to have a Razr Core X that I used for 3D rendering, but once in a while I plug into my NUC and play some games.. it works great.
We have that eGPU solution coming in a Beelink video in the next week or two.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Awesome, if you would.. add some tips on the best way to connect and disconnect eGPU's a lot of opinions on this I noticed.
I love the small of the NUCS in the morning.
I'm a fan of mini-PC's, but am also a fan of them using minimal power and running silently. These higher-end "NUC pro's" fetch $700-$1100+ price tags and I have difficulty seeing how much demand they'll actually have in a competitive market where traditional PC's (for gaming, for example) can be built and customized with higher-end CPU's and much beefier GPU's for around the same price point, or lower. I do own a couple of Intel NUCs (11th gen), but they use 10-15W and have N5105 CPUs. They work perfectly for media centers, network controller software, and general purpose (remote gaming terminals)...with little to no hit to my electric bill. They also cost under $200 loaded up with 512GB NVMe SSD's and 32GB of DDR4 RAM. For general home use I just see these higher-end NUCs being impractical and too costly. Perhaps small to medium business is the market Intel is targeting here...they'd be nice for general video/photo editing purposes where space is an issue, requiring the smaller footprint of the NUC. For edge computing, network appliance, and media center use purposes they're overkill.
Agreed. Apple is doing something similar with the M2 Mac Mini, but that's in an aesthetically-pleasing aluminum shell. These plastic boxes scream "business", but if they were aggressively priced - say, $400, then I could see these being used as standard PCs. Most people (i.e. non-gamers) don't go beyond the power that this box offers.
100%. For non-gamers they're almost but not quite priced in a sweet spot to replace standard PC's. If they were priced under $600, I could see them picking up some traction in the home market, as well as with businesses.
Agree, I've just picked up 11th gen Intel NUC with i3-1154G with 512GB SSD for 200$ and I believe that's the best what you can get on the market these days. I will pair it with some DDR4 I have and I can easily use it as a home office computer. I think Apple offers better value in the 600-700$ price range than high-profile barebone NUCs.
I work for a company that sells IntelNUC but also OEM NUC (custom boards, custom chassis). Don't want to advertise here but you do have cheaper options when it comes to NUC. What you are paying for when buying a more expensive IntelNUC is their support. Now Intel support (bios/drivers) is not the best out there, they stop supporting after 2+ years on avg.
Just as an example, we are offering SKUs with AMD Ryzen procs and AMD Radeon Vega3 integrated gpu for as little as 400€ and with that providing up to 5 years support. There are options out there.
depends what you're doing for edge computing. these things can run some serious docker containers. Also if you buy these for use as office appliances, they likely won't need to be upgraded for 7+ years, and thats a big deal for companies. You're right that I wouldn't but them for home unless you want to make an energy efficient homelab and serve some serious applications. I personally use three of the 12th gen ones as a kubernetes cluster and even under serious load, the whole cluster runs at ~80W
supershort rewind was the least bad way to do that so far. I agree with the other comments about the spec/price compare on screen at the same time.
Really like NUC design and form factor. I just wish 13 Pro had a microSD slot. There are 1TB microSD cards now. It's a great way to expand storage for less important files
sD cards doesnt last as long as nvme/ssd. Ive destroyed many of sd cards (different brands, high end) on my raspberry pi's :P
I can't wait to see what kind of performance the new Intel N300 puts up!
quite good.
TBH I love these videos because I dream of making an HTPC with a NUC or a mini PC. But sadly, the prices in my region/country for NUCs and Mini PC are wild. So i'd probably just watch you tinker with them.
For me, the Intel NUC had two thuderbolt ports where the Asrock only had one.
I can't believe you didn't swap the power supplies, and test them. I'm wondering if simply buying a better power supply for the AsRock might close some of the gap. Although, I'm fairly certain that some of the difference may be attributed to firmware settings, and cooling performance. Perhaps a UEFI/BIOS update will help narrow some of that lead? You failed to mention what BIOS version you were running.
We did swap them before doing the video. Results were very close. We test things out-of-the-box because that is how most people use them. Even Ganesh at Anandtech saw similar patterns and they will use custom BIOS to get better performance from ASRock systems. The ASR system has been out for some time so we would expect it to be more mature
I wish more of these had dual 2.5gb nics like the ASRock 1260P. Makes a great (if slightly overpowered) router.
lol... slightly... waste of money if you ask me.
dual network connections would make clustering these much easier - you should think about benching 3 at a time when the time comes which is now with usb4 - addin a couple usb10gbe would be a good addition for builders/after mkt #line card
The one I got last year (12th gen) from SimplyNUC was a dual-nic option. I've never ordered from there so I was a bit confused as to whether this is normal with them, but, the board inside was an ASRock - the same one their own branded 'Industrial' line-up has in it. It seems to be a solid piece at any rate. I did end up having to remove and lap the heatsink over some fairly major temp swings even with no constant load.
With wifi6e i reckon you don't need dual nic. Just need the 6e wifi router 🤔
@@jeffg6479 WiFi has its uses, but do you enjoy being irradiated 24/7 instead of just plugging in a cable?
not a fan of rewind intro.
I plan to buy the ryzen 7600
Considering it's 65w will it be good to use riser and game
Thanks for this review! I’ve picked up two NUC 13 pros 1360p to use a with Proxmox VE for a virtualisation and networking home lab.
Haven’t quite got Proxmox 7.4 to like the Thunderbolt ports for cluster networking yet, but everything else is working great, and I’m hoping a new Linux kernel/Proxmox 8 will fix that up.
Update: Thunderbolt network issue was resolved by an Intel BIOS update. Iperf can now run at 15-17gbit/sec between my two nodes. :)
Thanks again for the great videos and articles!
Does igpu passthrough work well ? On proxmox 8 ?
@@azr2d1 haven’t tried gpu pass through yet, sorry.
much appreciate all your reviews on the mini PC's.
Hi, thanks for the review.
Do you have comparison video between NUC vs Mac Mini M2? For performance.
Thanks again
When it comes to nucs, I can never get enough thunderbolt ports
Ha! Good point.
These Intel NUC girls are just amazing. Many pros. I am owning my sixth NUC right now. Cons: Annoying fans, plastic housing, no plain Displayport, DDR4 only, no i7-1280p or i7-1370p (6 power cores) available ☹️ And: Who needs HDMI on his PC? Maybe one might be helpful, for special purposes.
Hi, thanks for your nice video. Did you compare the bios parameters ? Maybe different power profiles would explain the performance gap.
You are correct that different BIOS settings and ASR I think has other firmware. Since the CPU is soldered we have to expect the system maker is tuning optimally in their out-of-box config. 99%+ of folks will not go tune things in BIOS
In my mind, "NUCs are cute, but not very powerful"
Then I compare speed to my nuclear-power-plant-killing Dell T5600 with dual xeon e5-2650... Yeah I need a NUC!
At least I was smart enough to configure sleep settings on my T5600.
Especially if you can get by with 1-3 NUCs they are great. Once you need 5+ then consolidating on something bigger makes a lot of sense.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo
My home setup now is running a Beelink GTR5 5900HX and then I have a dual Xeon E-52697A v4 server (that, relatively speaking), is sipping about 550-600 W of power (vs. the 1200 W of power that I was using previously) and I am able to do everything I need to with this combination of systems.
I used to also have two HP Z420 workstations and each was sucking back somewhere in the order of 500 W (single Intel Xeon E5-2690 (v1)).
I just wished that the Intel NUC's thermal management solution was better able to handle the higher power limits of their P1 and P2 for an extended period of time, so that you can get the best performance for the dollar out of these systems (which is also a part of the reason why I ended up with the Beelink GTR5 5900HX - no thermal throttling - unlike the Intel NUCs).
(Every single Intel NUC I've ever had, if you allow it to Turbo up, will hit 100 C and thermal throttle.)
With those idle power mesurements, the Intel unit seems better for intermittent bursty loads and the Asrock unit better for sustained loads. However, I wonder if this form factor is suitable for such power-intensive tasks. Could you make a video that explores how different workloads affect the durability and reliability of these tiny micro PCs?
Really it is only too much dust buildup that we have seen issues with.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo how do you clean them?
DDR4 in these feels like they are planning on a gen 13 refresh that will go with DDR5. The integrated graphics would get a decent bump from that.
I’m excited to see what the meteor lake NUCs can do.
Tough one! I guess the support, drivers, etc. would matter more than the hardware in this case
Good content. Have you seen any decent fanless options appear yet? Was looking at the Asus PL64 but it's still not out and already a bit outdated (DDR4, USB 3.2 only, etc).
I'd prefer an AMD based mini PC with RDNA 3 integrated graphics and 8 CPU cores with 16 threads. I'd want 32 or 64GB DDR5 and 1-2 TB NVMe PCIe 4 SSD storage. I'd want 2.5Gbps Ethernet and Wi-Fi 6E. I'd want Thunderbolt and HDMI ports as well as USB A 3.2 ports. I'd want great thermal management, too. The latest Minis Forum product you reviewed sounded really good to me.
You'd want a um790 pro right?
I always wanted to like NUCs, but after owning some, I don't. Way too much noise under load... not for this crazy amount of money (NUC itself + Ram + Nvme).
I just purchased the Intel NUC 1340P model for my parents. It will be quite the upgrade from their current Core 2 Quad (Hello Wendell) 😂
Very much so. Actually, we have a cool Intel Core i5-1340P piece in the next two weeks that we are just finishing filming on today.
Awesome info. . .thanks!
One of the problems of Intel NUC is the use of DDR4, which should be abandoned. DDR4 is not relevant anymore.
Thanks your sharing your opinions on both - viewers can pick the one which fits their needs the best.
ps. I like the intel for the added m2 slot and the cooling extras even if it comes at higher idle and thermals.
Intel has lower idle, but higher load power consumption here.
Great review / comparison, thanks a bunch !
Glad you liked it.
Nice video, thanks for sharing it :)
Oh that? That's my reading NUC.
I'm considering this:
Intel NUC 13 Pro Kit NUC13ANKi3 Intel Core i3-1315U
377 USD locally, fast shipping. Fairly reasonable price, but not terrible compared to what you're getting.
Maybe put 64 GB in it for Proxmox or sth else.
That isn't a "nook". It's a "nuck". A "nook" is a tablet from Barnes and Noble.
Wish they support ddr5 and full SD card reader.
Yes 100x.
Asrock does have a DDR5 one. No card reader but look for the "D5" model
I been thinking about using nucs for game servers
I have seen these in data centers
How much does the Nuc13 weigh? (with a 1TB SSD and 2 ram cards) and what about the power brick? thanks!
Would you compare same Generation Beelink Mini vs Intel Nuc Please.
So why is ASRock labeled as Industrial? Does it have a better environmental temperature specification or more rugged?
Business unit that is producing the unit.
I will only say, the sound effects (swooshes n rewind) are (IMHO) mildly annoying, cuz it always reminds me of "mainstream media" kind of style of videos. I really do enjoy your content tho, it's just a personal nitpick. Cheers!
There are so many mini-PCs on the market that it's impossible to figure out what one to buy. 😮
Thanks for the video. Wish you didn’t spend so much time showing us the noise level live on camera
I'm wanting to build a new router with 4 ethernet ports. 2 LAN & 2 WAN as I want to have failover for my internet as well as physically separating a guest network.
That’s a John Juan right there
The Asrock D5 version hasnt been ouy yet, maybe that one gets other improvents besides DDR5, the specsheet already better than the d4 version
Thanks 🙏
I have a dental office, can I use these as workstations? Looking for cheaper options and mounting them to the back of monitors.
Yes
Available for purchase: Absolutely nowhere *blowing wind* *rolling tumble weed* *chirping cricket*
I'm seeing the NUC 12's with a i7, 16GB DD$ RAM & 256GB NVMe for a little higher cost than a NUC 13 i5, but other wise the same configuration. For a home user, and other than the price, is an i7 going to get me that much more performance? I kind of doubt it. BTW... It's hard to tell from these videos what the noise levels really are...
I'm a developper and I love retro gaming. I have flashed a My Passeport external SSD, which is one of the faster external drives on the market, with Batocera, a retrogaming OS. I want a NUC That would be good for development purpose, I'd install either W10 or Ubuntu on it, and boot on the Passeport for retrogaming. There won't be any recent games running on this, the roughest software that will need to run is Visual Studio Code or MAYBE Visual Studio.... What NUC should I get?
I bought a NUC11BTNI9 Extreme and ended up sending it back. It would not run my favorite graphics program that I have spent 8 years learning. I have tried to change over to a newer one but it's too much. Once you know a program, you get really comfortable with it. Also the front 2 USB ports were flaky, one would work, then both, then none. I can't have that in a new machine.
Patrick: this is a weird question, but i figure you're the kinda guy to ask. Do you know of any NUC-sized HDD enclosures (or if that doesn't exist, SSD) so it functions as an extension bay? I know, I could just put them in a NAS, or regular enclosure (or just get rid of them). But I want to keep the footprint and looks as uniform and minimal as possible.
Somewhat hard given that the NUC is shallower than the HDD so depth will be off. Width is also a challenge since you have max 0.5" or so to work with.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo yeah, i was afraid about that. I'll find a use for them, and chuck the data on a ssd or nvme. in any case, thanks for your time :)
Asus has taken over the Intel NUK line in early 2024. As far as enclosures for SSDs, I purchased a USB 2/3 stick to mount my NVMe SSD in to transfer my Windows 10 operating system from my laptop to my new NUC. Then I upgraded it to Windows 11. The USB sticks come in different flavors depending on your type of chewing gum size SSD. Micro Center handles the sticks which are about 6” long and take three different lengths of SSD. You can just mount your SSD in one, buy an extension cable and plug in your external SSD. It kind of works like a flash thumb drive only the system calls it a SCSI drive.
I have a 1 gb SD card and it is S L O W.
Greetings from India!! A specialized request. Pl make video on low power NUC or MiniPC build that provides upto 128 GB ECC Ram and can be a host for Proxmox which virtually hosts TrueNAS by exporting HDD and has PCI port which can extend number of SSDs supported via an extension box. Intension is to build a low power home combo NAS/Virtual Server & Database Server, which is powerful when required/in use but mostly sits idle at home consuming little power. ECC Ram is required for Databases. Wonder if these lines have progressed enough to support this use case. Enjoy your shows!! Pl keep up the good work. Rgds.
Maybe, do a comparison between amd 6000 or 7000 series minis and the intel versions.
We talked about those in the recent Beelink review th-cam.com/video/FoCDVCkN2ck/w-d-xo.html
Sorry buddy, but that intro was brutal. Too long. Ali brain not do many focuses, do nots have the time. Oh look a
I recently came across an article stating that the ASRock NUC Box-1360P/D4 supports ECC memory through its BIOS settings. Can anyone verify if Intel's NUC models offer similar ECC support?
WHY do they still have ddr4 ? Beelink already uses ddr5 on their 12th gen. Missed opportunity. Why ? Because 48Gig modules (ddr5) are coming out and will work. The max on these will be 64Gig. With ddr5 you can go 92Gig ram. These machines are so powerful you can run virtualization/containers on them and you'd want as much memory as you can.
Thisi s the crossover generation. DDR5 is still much more expensive. We just did a 1L PC with 96GB here th-cam.com/video/HylKpDmwaFA/w-d-xo.html
I dont like this "Lets back up a second" from the last videos :(. Just to provide you feedback it was better before.
So what the nucs/nucs-box difference at asrock?
Can these be used to be left on 24/7 to use as a plex server
People run these as servers all the time
Honest feedback would be to say get a a UM690 and save hundreds...
Yikes. See our review. Poor design leads to DDR5 overheating in UM690
is it compatible with Roon Rock?
Love my NUC11 ($175). Unfortunately, the HDMI port stopped working after less than a year. But there is a three year warranty. I dropped it off yesterday to be checked.
Hopefully you upgraded to the Intel Nuc 13 Pro or Beelink SER6.
@@akin242002 that's $579! The NUC11 cost only $175.
Intel replaced it under warranty.
vPro Advanced for iKVM ?
Is there any way to use external graphics card on this beast??
eGPU via TB4
Since the USB-C’s are labelled as Thunderbolt, I believe you should be able to make use of one of those external GPU enclosures with this.
If you are not going to move the NUC though, I’d skip it and get a case that can just take the GPU inside - saves having two power supplies and the handicap of thunderbolt which is equivalent to a PCIe Gen3 x4 connection.
What about USB C power in stead of using the power brick on these two units. Is that an alternative?
Absolutely not, in no way/shape/form. Not only are the units not wired that way (re: power draw), but USB C cannot provide that voltage nor wattage. If you want that, you need USB ports which are distinctly designed for high power, i.e. USB-PD 3.x with very good EPR support. The product has to be designed for this specific use case.
I want a new NUC like this but with out of band management, it would make a great ESXI/Proxmox home lab
I have the Gen8 now running ESXI, I just wish it could be a true headless unit
So can you say NUCS SNUC in there somehow?
Wow! This is a great one!
The new Intel chips are supposed to give better performance with less energy and heat.
And they’re still power hogs compared to AMD.
The Dell Micro's don't have enought usb type C ports.
Agreed
The political situation in the Middle-East needs ARM64 v9 and all the sand in the Sahara to make silicon wafers.
No more Kensington lock on NUC?
Hey, thanks for the informative review. However, as a native English speaker from the Northeast, you speak way too fast and it is difficult to understand much of your description. For what it's worth....
Curly: Nuc nuc nuc
BIOS power settings?
I am quite sure cheaper Beelink SER6 is much better with Ryzen 7
We have the SER6 tested already. Quality is much higher on the NUC still.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo quality of connectors/cables/blablas or performance of the machine? ;-)
I do not understand why thare is no display port?
Where's the DDR5?
Provide justification for the increased bandwidth DDR5 provides. What are you doing with a NUC that would justify such needs? Or are you arguing purely from a DIMM availability standpoint?
these nucs are so damn power hungry.
Under load. At idle, not too bad especially the Intel one.
Beelinks latest AMD mini pc much better power usage, performance and cost
We have the new SER6. Video in a few weeks. There is a quality difference between the two.
I have the Ser 6 too, not the Pro version though... looking forward to your review
This has surprised me at how bad intel power usage is.
Seems uncompetitive compared to the Mac Mini or am I missing something?
What? Apples to oranges comparison. These are x86 systems, not ARM.
DEEZ NUC'S
Hi. Does it support Linux Debian or any other linux distro? Do they have wifi support?
"But we bought the wrong one!....". Yeah right!. You gonna review it anyway. These NUCs never really appeal to me. The Tiny,Mini, Micro ones are way better and useful.
$600+?!! Seriously? I'll just wait for the Ryzen i226 version...
Doubtful. Vendors will drop in trash Realtek NIC(s) instead. Sad.
There isn't a 2.5Gb Realtek yet.
sad that there is no sata version of the nuc.
@@koitsu2013 sata in form of a socket. I have some sata socketed disks around here..
why are you calling it a nook ?
Why it cost 1milion dolar in Poland ?
So why this instead of buying a framework motherboard with a case?
squares are better than rectangles
@@marcogenovesi8570 fair
so, apparently, Asrock has more USB ports overall, but Intel NUC has more Thunderbolt ports. Is that right?
No DDR5. Wow.