*This video was not intended to call out Datto or ensue his rage. Please do not harass him, he has battled against Microtransactions longer than anyone else in the Destiny Community. He is with us in spirit, if you need more context, watch this video.* th-cam.com/video/XRfYuvXBjd4/w-d-xo.html Datto also has an excellent follow-up to this video as well if you're interested! th-cam.com/video/N8BEbF6dL1o/w-d-xo.html
The one and only Destiny content creator that’s been consistently fighting against bad bungo practices is Darkside royalty lore. No one else even comes CLOSE.
@@Zerba- Cope what? I’m stating facts. Datto is a Bungie shill and a gatekeeper and every single time the community raises an issue he defends it and ends up having to walk it back “I WaS WroNg GuYS SoRRy” when he’s inevitably proven wrong every single time.
@@ChillAssTurtleYou aren’t listening to what he is saying then, he said he is fine with silver being a thing for cosmetics but it’s been the recent other in game “boosts” it gives that he hates.
@@ChillAssTurtle What the fuck are you on about you weirdo 😂, Chill out I don’t like any of it and I never have that’s why I don’t buy things it’s all way over priced as cool as some of it is I don’t want to spend £20 for an armor set I would rather go out for a meal lol.
What makes this creepy and inhuman is that there are people with a psychology degree getting hired to do these kinds of microtransaction practices to get you to pay up
@@sigmamale4147 capitalism is an ideology that prioritizes profit. these companies are prioritizing profit, which is pretty evident by the massive amount of money you can spend in these games and, if op was telling the truth, are hiring psychologists to get people, like animals, to throw their hard earned money at the game
@@sigmamale4147 It has everything to do with capitalism, it's a system that encourages you to exploit others for personal gain. Practices to fleece people out of everything they have is the epitome of capitalism. The only thing that has kept this economic system from collapsing in on itself all these years is law makers banning many of these practices, but there's so many different industries now that law makers simply can't keep up or simply overlook the issues because of their now slightly fatter wallet.
Hot take: Bungie’s monetization practices are worse than any other company, and they’ve only flown under the radar because of how many lawsuits Blizzard has had.
Agreed. I mean compared to literal rapist Bobby Kotick, this is nothing after all. Unless you play Destiny. I'm glad I'm watching this out of 9 year old nostalgia and curiosity and not getting fucked like modern players.
And because of their dying reputation. Many still remember the golden days of them making great Halo games. These days are long gone and bungie showed their real ugly greedy face
What makes it worse is that if you don’t have the latest dlc you lose access to Trials and nightfalls. So I could have spent hundreds of dollars just for content to be locked again when a new dlc comes out again
I had no idea how bad it had gotten until I got a friend to start playing. Luckily that friend was well off and had more than enough money to afford everything but holy hell trying to explain to him each and everything that he had to buy was enough to genuinely make me feel like a bad friend for even suggesting he play the game. No game has ever made me feel real, palpable guilt for trying to get someone to play it.
I experienced this same situation with a friend as well..I honestly told him..to download the free to play version just to understand the mechanics..after he asked what he needed to buy..i sat there..and thought to myself..i can't recommend any of this ..especially when content has been cut..and theres no definitive beginning point..
Exactly why I don't tell my friends to get in on destiny. In fact I had a few friends take the dive (no pun) a month ago and they've already stopped playing. I love this game but the devs don't seem to care about the fun aspect.
They have made some incredibly huge mistakes, but I think we also need to come to terms with the cost of MMO’s. They require a stream of revenue to remain profitable against the cost of maintenance… and that requires a higher player count than most can afford…. It’s why most of the ones that actually have any longevity are subscriptions or have members passes. I.E. RS and WoW. I think the Sad fact is that the American market isn’t big enough for the amount of MMOs that we’re pushed out post WoW. The player bases are too small to justify the actual server maintenance costs of a lot of them. And Bungie somehow designed the PERFECT rock and a hard place. 1. They made a destiny 2 AT ALL. The proven model of expansions and updates have shown a better rate of player acquisition and retention. WoW has rebooted its world like 4 times at this point and it’s still WoW. All bungie did was Alienate old audiences and confuse new ones. 2. They created no reliable revenue stream… no system of value such as a subscription or a members pass.. everything they have offered to make money have either been not worth it, or have been expansions, which can bring in new players, but they are also expensive to make. Instead of developing in game networks that were not base game but were worth paying for… they just made micro transactions. 3. THEY VAULTED CONTENT! Look… MMO worlds will change, it is their very nature as games…. But they just went full Disney and locked content people already bought. They clearly believed that the game file was too large and scared off new players…. But that was because the content was not worth the file size…. Not because of the large file. Destiny 1 was fresh, interesting, intuitive, and added new things to the genre…. Destiny two only really has interesting lore at this point. The changes they have made have none of the spark of the first game.
@@Gus-n9uthe irony of bungie leaving Microsoft because they felt creativity held back by them, only to create destiny which has storytelling and creativity on par with a bad YA novel
The most pay to win part is the fact that seasonal armour drops with stats WAY higher than world drops. Like if you want the best stats, you can either grind raids once a week for a tiny chance to get the armour you want, OR buy the season pass and get the best gear right away
It’s a sad realization, Destiny would’ve still had micro transactions if they continued under Activision, but atleast a sense of quality would be ensured. Bungie was well within their right to ask for micro transactions after the split when they were single for the first time in half a decade, but now they have developed well past they size they were even with activision and it’s subsidiary studios( high moon and vicarious visions) but now they have grown to the state of my notoriety, more funding, and more bullshit. Bungie is a notably horrible company who does not wish to offer a formal product in any form that respects its user besides thinking of them as money generators
Havent played since witch queen, didnt feel the same, it just didnt. My wife and I have been playing since D1 but all good things must come to an end but man what an experience and so much money spent😅. I may come back one day but not anytime soon. Eyes up Guardians❤✌🏿
Bungie raising the price on seasons with no discernible reason other than greed should’ve been the final straw for a lot of people. Sadly much of the player base has just come to accept and even defend it.
While I do agree it also must be considered that 12$ for 3 months of content is much better bang for your buck then let's say a movie you spend 30$ for an hour and a half of enjoyment. Don't get me wrong I do think bungie needs to give us more quality. I like the story each season I wish they were consistently 8 weeks not 6 so things don't feel so flat in the latter half.
Another thing is that deep sight harmonizers are mainly locked behind the season pass, which means that it’s not viable for people to acquire enough of those materials to craft a weapon without paying. Bungie can come up with whatever excuse they want, but there really isn’t any legitimate reason why materials like that are held behind a paywall.
I blame youtubers, streamers and Whales. Sorry Cross for the youtuber part, I know it’s your job, but I don’t see why you don’t abandon ship. Or at the very least not buy the stuff.
Destiny 2 broke my heart. Destiny 1 was beautiful and fun and a major part of my teen years. Destiny 2 had my time and attention, and I watched it fall apart and become inaccessible to me and a bunch of my friends watching my stuff get nerfed to make way with new stuff they wanted to feel cooler, getting things I paid for taken away or being locked behind a new pass to access. I had to watch one of my favorite titles slowly turn against the players and become a heartless scam for cash. Its like having a best friend and watching them turn into someone else who doesn't care about you or anything anymore outside of status and popularity, but in this case it is just money. I just wish things could go back to the way they were.
Destiny 1 had the same issues as the 2nd one , they never learned . The game with all the dlc’s cost close to 200$ , they even managed to ruin D1 pvp on the third year with weird updates and removing all the special ammo , except from pistols for some reason
@christoucoucou69 DLCs are one thing, but D1 was definitely not as predatory with their pricing than D2, and it was also before the seasonal model so I would even argue that the price of DLCs were justified, plus they included more content than what D2 dlcs have historically offered, excluding Forsaken
It’s sad that a community can recognize stuff like this, and call it out, but nothing will Change, because the mechanisms required to cause change require sacrifice, and nobody is going to do anything about it. That includes the community and Bungie.
i was a D1 player and i played everyday and i personally was a strict PVE guy, did strikes, nightfalls, raids and other stuff then was into D2 but i started late and some of my so called friends were ahead then i was and some of them didnt want to help me level up and when i did level up it was the same in D1 about no you cant do this raid with us cause of this 1 weapon, and honeslty i never completed 1 raid in D2 all the way through crazy right? but i stopped playing the D2 way back before shadowkeep i just didnt want to keep playing 40 or $50 for a expansion and then the season passes so i just left, quit playing destiny all together and never went back but after watching this im happy i left but i would more understand y ppl would leave now. MY GOD that create ur own god roll and armor set but you gotta pay to get it? Fuck no.
There’s an urban myth that I think applies quite aptly to bungie’s business practices over the years. It goes something like, “If you put a frog in a pot of boiling water it will instantly leap out. If you put it in a pot filled with pleasantly tepid water and gradually heat it, the frog will remain in the water until it boils to death.”
Where did I draw the line? When the base game and first three DLCs, all of which I purchased, were "vaulted" never to be seen again. The entire game I bought was deleted and that's where I got off that stupid ride.
“I remember the days when you walked into a store and bought a game. And now more than ever, I find myself diving into a game and finding a store.” What an insightful comment and all too true. Really makes you think about the predatory side of the business, and makes you yearn for a time when video gaming was young. Great video Aztecross!
The games weren't perfect back then. Frankly there was a lot of 'good enough' happening. But having a 'what you see is what you get' when you dropped for that new video game, or seeing a full review for a full price game (without any caveats about the in game store) was such a different, and frankly better, experience for a customer.
@@leadpaintchips9461 buying a game these days is like buying a house that has 30% of the construction done and having to move in, hopefully they at least have the roof done. And the Builders nickle and diming you for doing any work after you have paid for the whole house to be done upfront.
Oh yeah, same, but as a returning player. I played the hell out of Destiny, and even Destiny 2 on launch all the way through the Osiris DLC on Mercury. I came back just a few months ago after years of not playing, mostly because I just wanted to play through the campaign again. Imagine my surprise when the early missions feel… different. Then slowly become COMPLETELY different. Turns out, they actually gutted the campaign of the video game. You just simply cannot experience the campaign if the game whatsoever. It’s not its own separate game, nothing. So I look it up and find out about the Destiny Content Vault… what a fucking joke, man. You just straight up delete old content out of your game (including the campaign, which gives context to the world of your video game, and a reason why I should even care about the damn thing in the first place), and then ask me to pay for hundreds of dollars worth of watered-down garbage that you’ll probably also delete later down the line? No thank you. Sad to see Bungie is even more of a joke than the company that took their place making Halo lmfao.
@@Shumoku438man it pains me to read what you just said but god damn its true and it's just awful now. Loved the game when it first game out and the main story was actually decent. Now it's just garbage staggered every 6 months or so and then they sell another part of the story for £35+.
I spent like 90 bucks on the shadowkeep and forsaken expansions when the game went free to play and now it's completely useless. I stopped playing this garbage years ago so i don't give a shit either way
I had a friend who lives for Destiny 2 trying to get me into it. I played the free part with her and I was hooked! But then I hit a wall where I didn’t know what to do anymore, where the story that I got invested ended and I was ready to pay money for a game that I wanted to play! And then came the bundle problem. Even with the help of an expert player I almost couldn’t figure out what packs to buy to get what I wanted and the final nail in the coffin of my destiny journey was the price tag on the whole thing. Even though the past seasons had so much content I would never ever be able to see or experience ever, no matter how much I pay. I pay a shitload of money for a game while I will never be able to play the complete story and yet I can pay more to get battle passes and cosmetics. Yeah…no. My time and money are better spend somewhere else.
As a seasoned Destiny player, your money and time is definitely spent better elsewhere. I've been a Destiny player since the Taken King in D1, and I played up until the Witch Queen. Destiny 1 was a fantastic experience, imperfect sure, but it was a fun social experience. Now it's literally the most shameless cash grab imaginable. Better to spend your money on a complete game and a complete experience, rather than getting manipulated into paying for breadcrumbs. If you liked Destiny, I'd recommend playing the Halo games instead if you haven't already
Quitting Destiny 2 was the best thing I've done in my gaming life. When people realize that Bungie is using psychological warfare to make us FOMO, spending way more money that they deserve, and make us restart leveling and grinding for equipment with each season, only then will they find it easy to quit this trap named Destiny.
Same, I quit this shiz in 2021, it became just too overwhelming with all the money you needed to spent and on top of all, game was still grindy af. Best gaming decision I made.
Wow is that real? Lol. I played OG destiny when it first dropped and thinking of coming to shake some dust off, but everything im seeing is telling me not to try. Lol.
@@michaels_madness Play the trial (aka the free to play portion). If you think you'd like the gameplay or want to experience the story from where you left off, buy an expansion or two. Otherwise, I'd advise against it. It certainly is a different beast from D1. This coming from someone who now has more than 2k hours logged and played since beta.
you said exactly why they won't bundle things together. it confuses people and they end up buying more because they don't know what anything is. it's funny, we all used to say Activision was at fault, but it turns out bungie have been the bad guys the whole time.
I got curious this season and totaled everything for this season on ever class and it was $415 worth of stuff added in and that got me digging through the whole store to find out exactly how much literally everything would cost to buy including all the class specific stuff. It totaled up to $4,185 This is buying everything currently available.
It breaks my heart that this is where we are at with Destiny. A game this fun to play, with a universe this expansive and rich deserves the whole world, but not like this.
Oh now everyone seeing Destiny 2 becoming a microtransaction hell XD not last year or the years before that when the signs were right there in everyone faces that monetization was going to get worse if the community didn't boycott the game. XD
@@valzicplayz3845 everyone has a journey, holding it against them and mocking them will get us even more alienated. We need to accept that we have been too complacent and lenient in our feedback since the content has been fun, then move on and grow, so I hope you can rise up instead of just XDing all over the place
You missed a big one: This season, rank 7 is locked behind leveling up the seasonal vendor, so armor charge mods including elemental surges (solar surge, stat bumps, etc.) are only obtainable if you buy the season. New Free to Play guardians will be doing 22% less damage than paying guardians despite Bungie originally unlocking all mods at rank 6 when Lightfall released.
Do you really expect to get the full game experience and achieve high guardian ranks (something added for us paying vets to aim for) while not paying for the game?! Seriously?! Buy the damn game if you want to experience the full game, otherwise you would be experiencing everything a majority of the serious community pays for... yeah uhm no.. support the devs or shut up...
Spending your hard earned money on fake money should be illegal. It’s very exploitative. It’s like paying real money for counterfeit money. Which ironically in itself is illegal.
I used to play D1 all the time after school as a kid to escape reality for a moment, loved the game since launch. All the expansions and countless things to do, easily most fun I'd ever had in a game. It really made me connect with friends and allowed me to forget everything else for a bit. When D2 came out I was obviously very excited at first, but then that interest just faded away after I was done with the base game. It was never really the same, it was pretty overwhelming from the get-go. Too many microtransactions and everything in general just felt off. I later came back to the game and realized it was free to play now, then tried to ask a friend what DLC to get and I was quite lost with it so I just gave up. It's just kind of upsetting to see something you cared so much about turn to this.
@okagron lmao love all yall that think destiny 1 sucked when it literally is the reason this video exists, the playerbases exists, the fans. Etc. Just admit we all loved Destiny 1 and stop spewing bs
Thank you for making this. Bungie 100% deserves to be called out by everyone for their shady practices, complete overpricing (and recycling) of content. More content creator’s speaking about it is great for the community.
@@christiand5954 that’s unfortunately the problem. I folded as well and bought lightfall. Luckily I didn’t pre order it or bought the deluxe but it was still a major disappointment . We can’t make the same mistake with final shape
The way they set up the dungeon key purchase is pretty smart as it will ensure you have to pay for that fully to Bungie whereas if it was an expansion, people can wait for price drops or key resellers. This ensures there is a part of the game you have to pay full price to unlock and you only come across it after being invested already. After thousands of hours, I am really glad I stuck to quitting before LF launch.
this is what literally happened to me, I been playing D2 since Forsaken, I bought the season for the dungeon and then it turned out that I have to buy THE DUNGEON itself separately, because it made me think the dungeon comes WITH the season
Two largest factors that have led us to this point are 1. The communities complacency towards all of the store changes. 2. The complete lack of competition for Destiny The second factor is definitely the larger one I think. Diablo has certainly pulled players for now but they still play wildly different. What we need is a game that forces Bungie to actually improve to retain players.
Na man, this ain't the 90's, companies don't bother competing anymore, they just agree to work the market together and create an environment that suit them both, more companies means more places to invest, more investment means more money, more money means more cars, jets and cocaine.
100% this. Why the hell would Bungie change anything when they're getting record numbers?? The only time we saw a significant change in content was when players stopped playing (vanilla D2).
I always remember the rumor/leak in D2Y2, around the time Bungie went solo, that Activision actually *pushed back* against their eververse schemes because they feared it was going too far. If anything, time has shown that the "microtransaction greed" the community blamed on Activision wasn't their fault, it was Bungie's greed this whole time.
I have been saying this for years. Anytime some destiny fan tries to blame Activision or Microsoft for the state of bungie. We have to remember none of those companies actually owned bungie bungee had full authority to do whatever they wanted with their IP. Sony is the only company out of all these years, who has the authority to tell Bungie to change direction. Bungie's biggest problem is bungie.
I bought the game two years ago and pretty much stopped playing it for those exact reasons. Having to constantly pay for content was too frustrating for me. And every time I come back the game keeps getting more and more confusing to me. How to destroy all the trust built since Halo. Nice job Bungie.
I'm not even a D2 player but this was a great video. It had good points, in-depth research and convincing arguments backed up by facts and instances of Bungie stuffing the game full of microtransactions. The part about the dungeon keys not being included in the season pass reminded me of the Amazon dark pattern lawsuit. Amazon were sued because they made the process of cancelling an Amazon Prime subscription so confusing that most people couldn't opt out and cancel their monthly recurring charges. So, the money just kept flowing out of their accounts, arguably against their will. Similarly, live service games today make content access and purchase so confusing that people pay out of frustration and desperation. Most players just want to experience new content and play with their friends. They do not have the time to read through and understand how exactly to make the best, most economic purchase. I wonder if the audience would look more favourably upon a simple base price increase from the current $60 instead of dealing with these questionable practices.
Don’t comment often but this video deserves as much engagement as possible. Being a PvP player the past couple years and being consistently charged isn’t the greatest feeling. Been my favorite game since d1 first came out. The more time passes the less I can justify the cost. Great video cross, thanks as always.
I'm not primarily a PvP player, but for me i engage in PvE for loot to use in PvP (because literally any loot works in PvE) I have felt not only like the price is hard to justify, but also that the loop is hard to justify Why do i play PvE if the loot i get will be used in a mode where i can't enjoy myself because of lag/lack of content/terrible balance/infrequent updates/bad communication/cheaters/massive exploitable glitches
I quit Destiny 2 after the catastrophe that Lightfall was, because I was convinced that things are going bad in a vicious cycle. Now after some time I'm happy that I made the right decision.
"I remember the days you walk into a store and bought a game, and now more than ever i find myself diving into a game and finding a store" That shit was deep as hell.
I just found this video, I had been thinking about getting back into Destiny since quitting about a year into Destiny 2. However, after watching this video I don't think I'll be able to afford getting all of the expansions to catch up to everyone else... sad to see the game go down this path :/
I saw the writing on the wall back in Destiny 1. I went from being one of Desiny's biggest defenders to abandoning. I think the content in the games has had highs and lows but overall I am glad I moved on.
I loved Destiny but abandoned the series when D2 came out. I came back in 2022 and liked it, but it was so hard to justify playing. It was such a bad game, it was frustrating to play, and it's own playerbase hates it so much and knows that they're being exploited but still play anyway. I've never seen a game like that. A game that's literally bad for you to play, both mentally and financially. I'll never play Destiny 2 again.
@@samantha_t99 fortnite actually does not do this, the base bundle gets you 1000 vbucks which is enough to buy a battlepass with a few vbucks to spare, and once youve bought a battlepass theress more than enough vbucks to get to perpetually keep buying battlepasses.
The whole increasing the season pass price to $12 but forcing people to buy $15 dollars worth to get it has genuinely been a final straw for me and has finally begun to shake me out of this "sunk cost fallacy" trap I've been caught up in with this game for 9 years.
Dude I quit last year and holy hellfire I never considered how much I was paying into the game. 100$ every year, you get drawn into the cash shop etc. I grant I’ve now fallen into overwatch 2 and Diablo as my “live service” games but got damn so much content is locked behind nearly 200$ worth of dlc, and there still is no guarantee it’ll stick around. They’ve “cancelled” sunsetting but there’s no binding contract and you still lose the seasonal content at the end of the year.
@@thedude4840 hey bro i wanted to go back to destiny i stop playing right before witch queen drops, is it worth it to just put some time on it again now?
@@muhammadalifrahman708 personally no I was the last man standing in my friend group for “guy who plays destiny” and it was rough. If you got a dedicated group maybe but otherwise you’ll be running with randoms and that’s sketchy. The game demands so much goddamn time to unlock basic ass exotics. I’m about to start a job where I literally will be grinding all day I don’t want to come home and virtually angle grind for 0 pay. The writing has gotten considerably worse, and now their about to launch some other game when they can barely maintain the one they have now.
I've got one more idea for Bungie - make dungeon keys one-time use! So that players must buy a new dungeon key EVERY time they wanna do a dungeon. Bonus idea - regular content cuts. And a subscription fee for those players who wanna preserve the content they once had paid for. Am I good for Bungie's sales department? Damn good I am! :)
You have to remember, this is the company that got us to pay for them to take away half the content and get rid of loads of weapons! Absolutely masterful!
I feel like a lot of us veteran players knew this was going downhill subconsciously but it hits different when you break it down so eloquently. Great work 🙏🏼
True words. I remember in the middle of the great content draught thinking "wow, kinda feels like they added in some coametic bullshit to milk us dry right before their next game" and then being livid when I saw Tess in D2. And yet, here I am with another few hundred hours in the game despite going on break from Forsaken all the way to Lightfall, being told how I'm an idiot for buying into the game once again, and that being a novel idea to me because I simply hadn't realised.
yeah I've been playing since shadowkeep, I've never bought microtransactions other than seasons and dlcs, and some ornament with those extra 100 silver you used to get. then came the 30 year thing which baffled me that it cost money, then the dungeon keys, but i thought, I'm playing the expansions anyways so I'll just get the deluxe edition, that is as cheap as getting seasons individually and also has dungeons. then deluxe edition became more expensive. my friends are complain about how bad the server issues are. i feel seasons are becoming more worthless, even tho their stakes are increasing. now I'm even reconsidering if i should trust bungie enough to even play final shape when it comes out, or just wait to see if its another lightfall amd drop the game
Boycotting games like this would accomplish a lot actually. Players collectively just don't give enough of a fuck and have too little willpower to follow through with it. Monetization strategies like this are so prevalent today BECAUSE players are bending over and accepting it.
Another problem for a f2p player, like myself, is the lack of depth in all the things that you can do. Yes, there is a seemingly vast amount of f2p content on first glance, but once you've played a couple hours on one of them (like dungeons), you've basically seen all that the f2p side that there is.
What kept me playing the game for 200h was the campaign (back when there was one) & messing around with friends in-between it. That at least made the repetition of the limited f2p content seem worth it because you had the long-term goal of finishing the campaign. Now I only really log on for the 'ooh, flashy effects' feeling, and that's not enough for me to justify 100+ gigs of space for the game nor 100 USD, which is enough to take my family out to a fancy dinner here in South Africa.
What's very unfortunate is that upon vaulting of bright engrams and the removal of bright dust on dismantles, things took a faaaaaar worse turn. Nobody talks about how players putting 10 hours in a day could easily buy every item in eververse week after week with NO bright dust farming, versus the modern era of do all your challenges/bounties and PRAY you aren't broke by the end of the Dawning. It is downright sad.
It has become very very clear the blame they placed on Activision was not warranted. They have become one of the greediest AAA game developer. There are a lot of cracks showing and the divide in the community is huge. Everyone is starting to catch on. We as a community that keeps the game alive are fed up. I’ve gone from an everyday player to once or twice a week for about an hour each session. It’s sad to see bungie ruin the game and breaking promises to us. Especially now with MARATHON announced. They should be ashamed of themselves
I remember how I celebrated bungie's separation only to instantly lament the introduction of a battle pass and more dlc as if we weren't already abused of our dollars
I think, they learned a lot from the greed of activision. They learned they could actually get a shit load of money with less effort. By the time bungie left activision, propably almost every dev who cared about the game left already. So the split from activision feels like bungie just wanted all the cake for themselves now. The apprentice became the master.
I think the amazing part about Destiny is that it has sucked ever since the beginning, and the fact that people forced themselves to enjoy Destiny is more indicative of the issue with video games and the copium cycle.
A friend of mine mentioned this a year or two ago, he was wondering why no one in the community isn't up in arms to call out Bungie for their greedy practices. I guess this is the age "It is what it is" cuz we couldn't do a damn thing about it.
Could just not pay, there’s other things to spend your time doing, if they see people get fed up with slimy practices they’ll hold up on pushing them in people, but when people just keep buying into it why wouldn’t they just keep pushing it as far as they can, shit is retarded it very much so is the community’s responsibility to hold their content provider accountable for the the quality of content they’re buying
I really dislike that online discussion of such things is often filled with people who "don't disagree" in the sense that if you say one of these practices is bad, people will start ganging up with "well, it's the industry standard nowadays", you call them out on helping cement it and they go "whoa, I never disagreed", but then they never proceed to agree; their biggest concern is correcting someone instead of listening to what that someone just said, and I seriously just don't understand why it's even a thing when people should be basically going "yeah, it sucks, I hate it and it should change".
If you look at Bungie’s history the only thing that will make them respond is if people stop playing. Right now they’re making a boat load of cash for minimal work.. they’ve gone from halo to this utter shit. Imagine that.
TO THIS DAY, the April Update is my favorite fucking update to Destiny EVER. I STILL want the taken armor, emotes, etc, the FUN we had from that update, BACK. If it's not back in Final Shape, frankly I'm trhough.
@@amoexthey do tho. The content now is completely different and much more enjoyable than it was when activision was publisher. This video is right in criticizing the micro transactions but notice it doesn’t criticize the content. The thing that sucks so much about the micro transactions is the game is finally good again but they’re ruining it again at the same time. It’s very clear bungie wasn’t able to steer the ship in the direction they wanted because of activation intervening.
@@lukebent7317 You are INSANE if you think this shit tier content they put out right now is even close to Forsaken era content lmao. Fuck even SHADOWKEEP was a better cycle and so was Beyond Light despite losing all that content
ya know, I was aware of each of this individual things but you don't really notice just how bad it's getting until it's all put in front of you at once. Thank you for this
Absolutely a perfect demonstration of the frog in the boiling water pot metaphor. Same as you I never really thought about the totality of everything that's changed over the years until stopping and taking it in with this video. Also I just gotta say that right now D2 is absolutely terrible new player experience at this point in time. Confusing yet also thread-bare.
I remember arguing with people on r/DestinyTheGame subreddit years ago about whether destiny was actually free to play, of course i was always down voted into oblivion by these people. Bungie could do no wrong in their eyes. I would say things like, "what free to play game charges you 40 dollars for expansions?" And they would reply with, "the base game *is* free to play!" I've spent hundreds of dollars on Destiny 2 *after* Bungie started calling it a F2P game. But it's like cross said here, that's like 10% of the game so it's actually more like free trial than free to play. And I would draw comparisons with other, actual F2P games like Apex Legends where the entire game is free to play, you pay for none of the game's content outside of some cosmetics. Now aztecross makes a video about it and 1.4 million people watch it. Wonder what those people on r/DestinyTheGame have to say about this now... haha.
Honestly, gamers realising how exploitative mtx schemes are, but still insisting they are "fine paying for cosmetics" in their full price game with season passes is my favourite genre of video.
@@jaber4lifePeople saying "mtx are fine" is what leads to things like this happening. It's been getting worse across all games. And the birth of mtx was the birth of the majority of games turning into Software as a Service. You give companies an inch, they take a mile
@@jaber4life Clearly you missed the context of what they're talking about. The original comment said "full price game" and everyone responding to it understood that. You come in and mention Fortnite as if it's somehow comparable to Destiny 2. I don't remember Fortnite ever charging for anything other than their battle pass and cosmetics which of course if justifiable seen as it is a true free to play game.
Best multiplayer games let you earn your cosmetics so when you see someone that looks sick you know they earned it, paying for cosmetics ruins the fun of making your character look sick. e.g. Halo 3/reach. COD 4, Oldschool WoW, runescape and even a bunch of single player games.
Thanks for making this, as a massive D2 creator in the community, your voice has a bigger outreach than any of us little guys. I hope This and the many others actually tells those of the community to start caring and get rid of the "it's just cosmetics, ignore it" attitude.
@@arramiscastellon6168 yeah like Joker, November Hotel, and others haven't been saying this for so long. They already got a few in the community to listen
Great analysis dude, keep posting.I ma a casual player, still learn basics and I can confirm that I find very hard to understand all of Bungie artificial segmentations for D2. And btw, they shove you the ugliest gear ornaments only to buy a decent one from their store.
When totalbiscuit was complaining about this micro-transactions in games no one listen to him. He tried to tell us years before he passed now it's to late. As a new player to the greed has me to the point if wanting to quit before this fuckers get more money out of me.
I haven't been playing Destiny for a while and just happened to get recommended this. It really speaks to a lot of the issues I had been having around the time I stopped playing. For me, the tipping point was when I realized midway through Season of Dawn that the storyline and game mode I had been enjoying would just be going up in smoke in about a month. At that point I started logging in less and less, and every time I would get a craving to play a game I'd end up hearing about some new horseshit like them scrubbing out the entire Red War campaign and half the planets or the separately paywalled dungeon. As much as I do still crave playing the game and would love to go back, I refuse to engage with the kind of blatant nonsense that Bungie keeps shoveling out.
I played through Frsaken till Beyond light started, sometimes I have a feeling of nostalgia to those times, but a thought of how much I have to cash out to be back gently stops me of considering that move. I played mine. Let it be a good memories.
The game is designed to pull in people with either gambling addictions (loot, gear, and weapon rolls from engrams) or those with addictions to the short dopamine bursts from cosmetics. I've always hated Destiny at its core even though I would play with friends running dungeons or Trials of Osiris. Something happened. A schism of sorts. Almost as if you had a gf who would make you comfortable and content, only to eventually manipulate you into doing things that benefitted her at the cost of your own happiness; what you may have considered immoral and unjust in the beginning, later, you would be doing just that. The aforementioned paragraph summarizes what has happened to the player base as a collective, overall. Many players with standards and lines-drawn-in-the-sand left Destiny, cutting ties with the shady business practices. However, many more players stayed, along with new ones arriving, replacing those with integrity; outnumbering them. What we have now are a mass of players who are seduced and weak, lost in this abyss of Destiny's money-milking design model. They are feeble and have no purpose. Think of simps who support OnlyFans models. Thinking those girls give a crap about them. They don't. Big surprise. Same thing with Destiny. They mindlessly deploy their hard earned money, or max mommy's credit card to chase that high of which Destiny completely throttles, leaving those lost souls permanently stuck, like in Davy Jones's Locker; the final resting place for those travelers. I've come from a time when Halo: CE arrived. So I have seen it all; the degradation of a once great company with just morals built into its core. Now, a completely revamped hull and a shell with its integrity shed, this reformed company sits on its throne, like the dragon who sat on its mountain of gold under its wings. No one can challenge it or its plunder for it is a testament of its accomplishments. The dragon cannot be defeated. Only replaced with one that is greater.
Never gonna regret my choice on dropping out before lightfall. A game I’ve played since high school reduced to a shell of what it once was. I can only hope more people break the cycle and give Bungie the wake up they need.
I got lightfall but glad didn't buy deluxe edition like i did with witch queen... I was like: ok, i pay for the seasons i enjoy and skip the others, would save some money, but now they raised the prices for everything, buy destiny it have been fun
It’s WAY better than what it used to be lol. I hate destiny fans cause they really think the old game and double primaries were good😂 all 3.0 subclasses, and stasis and strand are awesome. The game has sooooo much. I’m sick of people being surprised a 10 year old game is gonna start charging for whole ass new content 😂. Don’t be delusional. I’ve had 5 new friends start playing with lightfall and all are obsessed now. Wait for a sale, you can get all the expansions for like 35 bucks as a whole
@@AvEnGeD7X238 of course the game got better, but what they did with season pass isn't fair, when next expasion arrives go check the difference between what people without deluxe edition had to spend compared to the ones that got deluxe edition
I came back to this after all the layoff and delay drama and realized i underappreciated the transition cards in this vid being expansion title knock offs and it’s so funny 💀 “Which Card?” Has me dying.
Lightfall was the first time I didn’t buy an expansion and I haven’t bought any of the subsequent seasons for this year either. Not only was I welcomed with a $50 price tag on an expansion that reviewed poorly and after researching further, I wasn’t interested in, but I also found out I can’t even snag the season for $10 like usual. Everything else was still there for me that I’ve purchased previously, but of course I’ve already played through that and I’m just not interested in anything PvE related right now in Destiny 2. So that leaves PvP for me, which I was glad to see Supremacy return, and the Iron Banner change that allows me to compete without light level considered… but that was it. It’s been about 6 months since I played and there’s no new maps, modes, etc. I’m just not interested enough in Destiny to bother with it this year apart from occasional PvP. Maybe final shape will be better but I’m done with buying things in advance. I would rather basically have the whole story and gameplay spoiled for me so I can experience a worthwhile purchase than purchasing in advance and getting nothing out of it. That’s where I’m at with Destiny and that’s why I’m not spending any money on the game this expansion. Back to Elden Ring cause I’m getting more out my $60 game purchase with zero micro transactions than this live-service game ✌️
This is honestly what we get for laying the blame exclusively on Activision for the lackluster quality of past content. The greed was always there, and it absolutely was not just Activision. The Activision / Bungie split just proves this. Bungue took the Destiny IP with them and the greed still continued unchecked
I blame the players too...destiny one clearly showed bungie was monetizing more and more and listening to players less and less. Destiny 2 removed the veil and showed they wanted to actively exploit the players and had no respect for their time...i left after the second destiny 1 expansion....anyone who stuck around just continued to support bungie despite their actions...so they are now reaping what they have supported for the past 7 years.
I've been off and on since vanilla D1, nothings changed. It's the sam cycle the whole way through, cough up money and bungie promises this time it'll be how we want it to be... Never happens. Scam driven by fans imagination and potential of the game. I started playing around a month before beyond light, I cancelled the preorder and I'm fucking glad I did 😊
@@windexchugger6108 I started to play D2 around S8 on PC, but I have an Xbox new gen, and I'm eyeing with D1 in the store. Does it worth it to start a new caracter in 2023?
What's so hilarious is that about a year and a half ago I made a reddit post on the exact points you made, including all the pay to win aspects of destiny 2. I got like 40 down votes and a ton of angry comments. I never use reddit and that was my first post, I was upset with how destiny became so pay to win and wanted to express that somewhere, I ended up just deleting the post after so much negative feedback. Sucks that it has to come to this point but I am very glad you were able to make a video (a reputable voice within the destiny community) and have positive feedback and make an actual damn point. I appreciate that.
I got lambasted for pointing out the Three of Coins tomfuckery 4-5 years ago. Players tried to defend Bungie for not quickly removing or patching the bugged PAID consumable that increased exotic drop rates. One player posted on social media that irrefutably proved the Three of Coins didn't work AT ALL due to some bug. In fact, they kept the Three of Coins in the store WEEKS after that became well-known on social media. I got the, "well, video game development is hard; they can't fix everything right away" line, despite Bungie very quickly fixing beneficial glitches within days, sometimes HOURS after being known. I've backed a lot of small indie teams with shoestring budgets. There were game-breaking bugs that were fixed within 90 minutes after just a few players reporting that on the forums. For Bungie, a well-oiled and large AAA developer to pull that greedy nonsense is INEXCUSABLE. Bungie was very clearly exploiting the players who don't go on social media to find out about glitches and bugs.
Same thing I did bro. I was explaining to people back when beyond light dropped that destiny 2 was turning into pay to win for crucible. They said that wasn’t the case
I drew the line when I saw the $100 lightfall campaign ad for the 15th million time. As well as me getting little to no content without throwing down so much money.
The major factor of warframe being better than destiny is that everything is free if you farm it but people buy platinum to buy stuff because they truly love the game and want to fund de to continue making the game great
The microtransactions are just one aspect of why the game has turned so bad. IMO, the game was most fun in the first 3 years after it launched. Then it was one disappointment after another. They changed the voice actor and then killed my favorite character Cayde; they turned the game I paid $90 for into F2P; they introduced sunsetting and removed 60% of content, including my favorite raids and activities; and all the new content after that were not fun or just downright disappointing. I legit miss the first 3 years of Destiny 2.
when Darkside royalty, Nova Umbra or November Hotel did the videos with the same hot takes have half of the impact on the comunity and get way more hate
Remember when season of opulence launched and they had a step to unlock the treasure chest emote that cost bright dust. Right before they changed the way you earned bright dust to drain the player economy. This was also the season where the changed bright engrams from dropping current seasonal cosmetics to global cosmetics. You went from getting 90% of cosmetics naturally during your playtime and then maybe topping up with the ones you didn't have with bright dust to almost never getting what you want unless you paid real money. Cause I fucking remember.
Never forget that Bungie left Activision after Bungie learned they made them $1B in revenue from Eververse alone. Their claim, not mine. They left to try and publish pay2win free2play mobile games in China where p2w is more culturally accepted. At least until the CCP waged war on video games, calling them, "Poison for the soul."
Genuinely with all my heart, thank you for making this video. For a MAJOR Destiny content creator to finally call them out in a formal way, is such an important step forward. Thank you for fighting the good fight, because to be honest with you, I pretty much gave up. I joined Destiny on PC way back when it was still on freaking battlenet. I adored Destiny 1 from afar due to health complications not allowing me to operate a controller, so I jumped at the opportunity to play it on PC. I watched the entirety of Destiny 1 as a audience member, so that should give you an idea of how much I loved this franchise. So it breaks my heart to see it slowly sink when it comes to player satisfaction. I've made a couple of TH-cam comments here and there, replied to a couple of folk, made way too many Reddit posts, all about the monetization of the game. But with Lightfall, I just kinda gave up. Every time I would speak out about the anti-consumer practices Bungie is employing, I would always get vitriol from the white knights of Bungie. "Don't like it don't play it", "Bungie has to make money somehow", "What a troll, Destiny 2 is the best F2P game out right now" etc etc etc. Even my friends have given up, they pounce at every opportunity to spend money on the game, for better or for worse. New DLC preorder just dropped? Let me hop on that. New pass to access content that was previously accessible as part of the entire DLC? Where's my credit card. New ornament that makes the exotic gun silver instead of orange? Hell yeah. It's disappointing. Their arguments are so infuriatingly wrong, because when I try to explain my point or perspective to the people defending these practices, I'm met with a brick wall. Don't they see that I love Destiny as much as them? For example, the Destiny 2 is free to play thing. I've compared Destiny 2's "free to play" to FFXIV's Free trial, to show just how BS the statement for Destiny being free to play is. It's way closer in scope to FFXIV's free trial, in comparison to true F2P games that you brought up like Warframe. My breaking point was the 30th anniversary "expansion". I did not buy it. I refused, it went against everything I stood for. I only got it when it was offered for free via Epic games. The only reason I had the Dungeon Pass in Witch Queen, was because the entire deluxe package was on sale for 40% off. And when Lightfall came out, the only reason I bought it was for friends. I did not buy the Season of the Deep. I, someone who AVIDLY watched from the sidelines in Destiny 1, consuming content for something I literally could not play, and playing since the absolutely awful Day 1 for Destiny 2 on PC, did not buy the latest season. And I don't think I'll even buy any of the seasons left in this DLC cycle. I just can't. I can afford it, but why should I spend it? I could spend the same amount of money on the season on an older AAA hit, or an indie game and get WAY more time and value for it. I am a staunch advocate for consumer focused monetization, but it's so god damn futile. It's tiring, it's numbing, it's frustrating, it's depressing and it's just.... shite. Every point you made in this video, was 100% correct. It's factually true, they're not even opinion points. Every argument I've made in my entire time playing Destiny, you've represented in this video clearly. From Dungeon Keys, to the transmog situation. And I love, and thank you for it. And yet, I expect nothing from this. This community, with all the good that's come from it, has battered me down so much when it comes to the monetization conversation. I hope something comes from this, and I wish you THE MIGHTIEST OF PRAYERS, that you don't get submerged in vitriolic hate by the white knights defending Bungie. Because I couldn't handle it. I love your content, and will continue to watch your channel for you, and for the editing. Sure, I'll come back when Final Shape arrives, only because I'm way too deep at this point. After that though? I don't think I can play support Bungie with Destiny anymore. I think I will go back to being just an audience member, just watching from the sidelines like I did with Destiny 1. Only this time, I have the option to actually play it, I just choose not to. Edit: Well, my friends who gave up found your video. Literally the first words they said were "1: tbf as bad as it is, this is the norm. Look at Diablo, damn near $30 every set 2: Every game fr 1: yeah D2 gets called out as if it's the only one doing it 2: It's basically free money for any company 3: the problem isn't game companies, you'd be dumb as shit in todays world to not grab that free bag". Ladies and gentlemen, my friends.
I already bought Lightfall + Annual when I came back during Season of the Seraph which was such a breathe of fresh air from what I remembered that I was super excited. Then I played Lightfalls campaign and it was meh. Really killed my want to play. Only thing that kept me playing was $100 spent and the fact that I hadn't done raids or dungeons. Now that I did them all I just get on once a week, do the weekly mission, maybe a raid/dungeon, then I'm done for the week. I'll be there for the Final Shape cause as you said, already too invested. Don't think I'll be there for post final shape seasons or any further expansion.
I left I don't regret it. Much happier sometimes real life gives me enough treadmills and groundhog day, I don't need to pay to experience those things.
I’m so glad someone is speaking out about this that actually has a platform to be heard on. This type of monetization is why I recently left the game and why many, if not most, of my friends had already left.
Yep. All 5 of my friends that I got to try the game were turned off by the amount of content that was needed to purchase to be able to play the game freely.
I feel like not nearly enough destiny content creators talk about how bad silver and dungeon keys are, anybody who doesn’t ONLY play destiny can’t excuse spending so much money on such a broken and unfulfilling game but especially when it’s primary market is FOMO
@@treymathis1189once you get to that point where you're truly sick and tired it's no going back. I feel you on that, quit the game as well a few days ago
It's death by a thousand cuts... we bleed out slowly almost painlessly. This feels dramatic but am I wrong? It's the closest I've ever felt to Stockholm's syndrome is my attachment to Destiny. I've been with it since Taken King and I'll probably stay it just feels worse to quit it now but I'm so tired of it all. Senseless grind in activities I no longer enjoy for loot and accolades I don't care about is not fun. I've thought of just watching the story play out on TH-cam and quitting it years ago but I'm still here.. playing destiny...I get a month or so each annual drop of fun and then 11 months of garbage...
As someone who took a break and is now currently on a break from destiny again, it was overwhelming to come back. There are too many paid things, and locking Ghorn behind a $20 price tag was an absolute smack in the face, they knew full well what they were doing and what they are currently doing. It's a shame because I and I'm sure like many others thought them going solo was going to improve the game but when everything is nickeled and dimed, I begin to wonder if they were better off staying with activision. I love destiny but its a game I love because of its lore but playing it now a days feels like W.O.W where your better off just opening your wallet to be somewhat caught up and fill in the gaps later.
Like WoW? Wtf are you saying, WoW has a lot of faults but its monetization is honestly a lot fairer than Destiny or all the other micro transaction riddled trash. It could still be better if you look at stuff like GW2, but I do wonder how GW2 can even sustain itself financially with that model.
It's not even a question, they were better off under Activision. I stopped playing after they announced sunsetting and i was a pretty hardcore player, like 5+ hours a day for years type of player lol, it's just sad to see that the game turned out like this. You know, i can't help but wonder what would the game be like right now if Activision was still around to hold them back and provide amazing help like Forsaken, alas...
I was aware to some extent but honestly having Aztecross point out everything over the years I've grow numb to has really blown my mind. Honestly makes me reconsider how Bungie actually feels about it's player base/ customers. Just another triple A who treats us like walking wallets.
The community needs to send bungie a message and not buy into silver not buy into dlc and play the game if you want but its better if you don't so that bungue starts making good content again instead of the cash grab bare minimum content that we get now
As someone who comes back from time to time to D2, it feels like each time I come back they've gotten even more egregious and disrespectful of players time and money.
@@CosmicHiker22 The community needs to send bungie a message and not buy into silver not buy into dlc play the game if you want but its better if you don't so that bungie starts making good content again instead of the cash grab bare minimum content that we get now please spread this message we need to band together.
@@workingonit5532 Unfortunately whales will always outspend the 'little guys'. It's why cash shops are so profitable. There's always enough whales to make-up for large numbers of casuals. Josh Strife Hayes did a video about monetization in games and it was eye opening how in some games, dev's will deliberately cater to whales because one whale can equate to thousands of players. Hardcore D2 players will never quit, at least not until after TFS.
Probably the most important video on Bungie's Destiny ever made. Thank you for making this happen. It means the world for everybody, from new lights, to casuals to hard-core players.
One of the best pieces of content on D2 I've ever seen on the platform. Thank you, Cross, you really went out there saying out loud what most of the community currently thinks of Bungie, while perfectly conveying the idea of this downward spiral straight to hell that Bungie has built over all this years. It's really sad to look to the past and say to yourself "remember when Prophecy was given to us for free?", when, in the meantime, they keep "improving the free-to-play experience" by giving us back content we already paid 35$ for back in the days while keeping removing content we paid 40$ for (or should I say 50$ now?) just in one year. But what really makes all of this unbearable is this costant feeling you have while playing the game, just like a ghost whispering in your ear at all times, that keeps telling you that Bungie isn't putting enough effort in what they do for D2 because they are focusing on another project to make more money, and all that is going on in D2 is just duct tape to prevent the boat from sinking, while squeezing as much money as they can from it before they can't keep it afloat anymore. I'm not talking about PvP alone, it's a feeling I got during all of Lightfall, ESPECIALLY during the RoN race. But, personal feelings aside, I want to end this wall of text by thanking you again for this great piece of criticism and your balls of steel, so... Thank you, Cross.
hi, Destiny 2 won't be here in 7 years it is dying fast. In a nutshell, the servers have had it and everyone I know has or is moving away from Bungie. I'm not getting the new season pass when it comes out. I'm done with Bungie and their lies and busted game and servers they are too greedy. peace brother from the UK.
I thought I was the only one, but I tried getting a friend to play it and I literally almost changed my mind and told him NOT to halfway through explaining all the pay walls.
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*This video was not intended to call out Datto or ensue his rage. Please do not harass him, he has battled against Microtransactions longer than anyone else in the Destiny Community. He is with us in spirit, if you need more context, watch this video.* th-cam.com/video/XRfYuvXBjd4/w-d-xo.html
Datto also has an excellent follow-up to this video as well if you're interested! th-cam.com/video/N8BEbF6dL1o/w-d-xo.html
Datto is a fool. From eververse to sunsetting to content vaulting to difficulty increase. He’s been wrong and had to walk back everything.
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The one and only Destiny content creator that’s been consistently fighting against bad bungo practices is Darkside royalty lore. No one else even comes CLOSE.
@@Zerba- Cope what? I’m stating facts. Datto is a Bungie shill and a gatekeeper and every single time the community raises an issue he defends it and ends up having to walk it back “I WaS WroNg GuYS SoRRy” when he’s inevitably proven wrong every single time.
@@rickybobby5153 Datto is the Baby COME BACK!!! Song on repeat?
"I used to go into a store to find a game. Now I go into a game and find a store."
This hits hard.
Shit. He's right.
totally
Then he says he is ok with microtransactions n buys silver himself XD the self owning is psychotic
@@ChillAssTurtleYou aren’t listening to what he is saying then, he said he is fine with silver being a thing for cosmetics but it’s been the recent other in game “boosts” it gives that he hates.
@@ChillAssTurtle What the fuck are you on about you weirdo 😂, Chill out I don’t like any of it and I never have that’s why I don’t buy things it’s all way over priced as cool as some of it is I don’t want to spend £20 for an armor set I would rather go out for a meal lol.
What makes this creepy and inhuman is that there are people with a psychology degree getting hired to do these kinds of microtransaction practices to get you to pay up
it's called marketing and capitalism. it's always been a thing unfortunately
@@TheKoloradoShow not sure what the link is with capitalism
You don't need a psychology degree to know how to mr krabs the menu
@@sigmamale4147 capitalism is an ideology that prioritizes profit. these companies are prioritizing profit, which is pretty evident by the massive amount of money you can spend in these games and, if op was telling the truth, are hiring psychologists to get people, like animals, to throw their hard earned money at the game
@@sigmamale4147 It has everything to do with capitalism, it's a system that encourages you to exploit others for personal gain. Practices to fleece people out of everything they have is the epitome of capitalism. The only thing that has kept this economic system from collapsing in on itself all these years is law makers banning many of these practices, but there's so many different industries now that law makers simply can't keep up or simply overlook the issues because of their now slightly fatter wallet.
Hot take: Bungie’s monetization practices are worse than any other company, and they’ve only flown under the radar because of how many lawsuits Blizzard has had.
This is pretty accurate
Agreed. I mean compared to literal rapist Bobby Kotick, this is nothing after all. Unless you play Destiny. I'm glad I'm watching this out of 9 year old nostalgia and curiosity and not getting fucked like modern players.
And because of their dying reputation. Many still remember the golden days of them making great Halo games. These days are long gone and bungie showed their real ugly greedy face
@@typie34 none of the Halo devs are there!! It’s not “bungie” we remember.
Yep, same as DICE. all the talented OG developers left and their games quality declined dramatically. They just rely on their reputation.@@Brettskei
What makes it worse is that if you don’t have the latest dlc you lose access to Trials and nightfalls. So I could have spent hundreds of dollars just for content to be locked again when a new dlc comes out again
I had no idea how bad it had gotten until I got a friend to start playing. Luckily that friend was well off and had more than enough money to afford everything but holy hell trying to explain to him each and everything that he had to buy was enough to genuinely make me feel like a bad friend for even suggesting he play the game. No game has ever made me feel real, palpable guilt for trying to get someone to play it.
I experienced this same situation with a friend as well..I honestly told him..to download the free to play version just to understand the mechanics..after he asked what he needed to buy..i sat there..and thought to myself..i can't recommend any of this ..especially when content has been cut..and theres no definitive beginning point..
Ditto expect they weren't and they dropped it in a couple weeks.
I swear bungie is adding extra junk in the bright engram pool like more sparrows with a season 1 or 4 mark.
Exactly why I don't tell my friends to get in on destiny. In fact I had a few friends take the dive (no pun) a month ago and they've already stopped playing. I love this game but the devs don't seem to care about the fun aspect.
My friends won’t touch this game with a ten foot pole and I don’t judge them. In fact it makes me feel like an idiot for continuing to play it myself.
This was rather eye opening. I didn't realize it had gotten this bad. I feel like I got the "Boiling Frog" treatment.
There was a reason DK and Shy played Warframe for as long as they did.
everyone did, they knew what they were doing and have been testing the waters since launch the greedy bastards
It appears that you are in the process of creating a new video.
blood for the blood god!!!
That’s because we did get the boil frog treatment
It is baffling how bungie went from creating one of, if not the most well known video game series of all time (halo), to this
The signs were there from the very start, when they cut content from the game and made it DLC.
They have made some incredibly huge mistakes, but I think we also need to come to terms with the cost of MMO’s. They require a stream of revenue to remain profitable against the cost of maintenance… and that requires a higher player count than most can afford…. It’s why most of the ones that actually have any longevity are subscriptions or have members passes. I.E. RS and WoW.
I think the Sad fact is that the American market isn’t big enough for the amount of MMOs that we’re pushed out post WoW.
The player bases are too small to justify the actual server maintenance costs of a lot of them.
And Bungie somehow designed the PERFECT rock and a hard place.
1. They made a destiny 2 AT ALL. The proven model of expansions and updates have shown a better rate of player acquisition and retention. WoW has rebooted its world like 4 times at this point and it’s still WoW. All bungie did was Alienate old audiences and confuse new ones.
2. They created no reliable revenue stream… no system of value such as a subscription or a members pass.. everything they have offered to make money have either been not worth it, or have been expansions, which can bring in new players, but they are also expensive to make. Instead of developing in game networks that were not base game but were worth paying for… they just made micro transactions.
3. THEY VAULTED CONTENT! Look… MMO worlds will change, it is their very nature as games…. But they just went full Disney and locked content people already bought. They clearly believed that the game file was too large and scared off new players…. But that was because the content was not worth the file size…. Not because of the large file.
Destiny 1 was fresh, interesting, intuitive, and added new things to the genre…. Destiny two only really has interesting lore at this point. The changes they have made have none of the spark of the first game.
@@Gus-n9u I think destiny 2 was needed tbh but yeah. If only bungie kept making halo games…
@@tempest8882 I mean….. they lost the rights. Microsoft owned them….
@@Gus-n9uthe irony of bungie leaving Microsoft because they felt creativity held back by them, only to create destiny which has storytelling and creativity on par with a bad YA novel
The most pay to win part is the fact that seasonal armour drops with stats WAY higher than world drops. Like if you want the best stats, you can either grind raids once a week for a tiny chance to get the armour you want, OR buy the season pass and get the best gear right away
It's the heartbreaking realization that Activision wasn't exactly the whole issue for D2. It was Bungie all along
Wow this hurts to read😢, seeing the downfall of a respectable franchise is suck a shame
Both are scum though OW2 is a great showcase of it but Bungo didn't need Activision to be evil
Yet when people called out bungie for being the issue, the community lashed out at them.
It’s a sad realization, Destiny would’ve still had micro transactions if they continued under Activision, but atleast a sense of quality would be ensured.
Bungie was well within their right to ask for micro transactions after the split when they were single for the first time in half a decade, but now they have developed well past they size they were even with activision and it’s subsidiary studios( high moon and vicarious visions) but now they have grown to the state of my notoriety, more funding, and more bullshit.
Bungie is a notably horrible company who does not wish to offer a formal product in any form that respects its user besides thinking of them as money generators
Havent played since witch queen, didnt feel the same, it just didnt. My wife and I have been playing since D1 but all good things must come to an end but man what an experience and so much money spent😅. I may come back one day but not anytime soon. Eyes up Guardians❤✌🏿
Bungie raising the price on seasons with no discernible reason other than greed should’ve been the final straw for a lot of people. Sadly much of the player base has just come to accept and even defend it.
While I do agree it also must be considered that 12$ for 3 months of content is much better bang for your buck then let's say a movie you spend 30$ for an hour and a half of enjoyment. Don't get me wrong I do think bungie needs to give us more quality. I like the story each season I wish they were consistently 8 weeks not 6 so things don't feel so flat in the latter half.
Another thing is that deep sight harmonizers are mainly locked behind the season pass, which means that it’s not viable for people to acquire enough of those materials to craft a weapon without paying. Bungie can come up with whatever excuse they want, but there really isn’t any legitimate reason why materials like that are held behind a paywall.
absolutely spineless lobotomized drones with no cognitive thinking possibility. bungie knows their playerbase and how far they can go.
I blame youtubers, streamers and Whales. Sorry Cross for the youtuber part, I know it’s your job, but I don’t see why you don’t abandon ship. Or at the very least not buy the stuff.
@@myles5276you are exactly who the comment is talking about lmfao
Destiny 2 broke my heart. Destiny 1 was beautiful and fun and a major part of my teen years. Destiny 2 had my time and attention, and I watched it fall apart and become inaccessible to me and a bunch of my friends watching my stuff get nerfed to make way with new stuff they wanted to feel cooler, getting things I paid for taken away or being locked behind a new pass to access. I had to watch one of my favorite titles slowly turn against the players and become a heartless scam for cash. Its like having a best friend and watching them turn into someone else who doesn't care about you or anything anymore outside of status and popularity, but in this case it is just money. I just wish things could go back to the way they were.
Destiny 1 had the same issues as the 2nd one , they never learned . The game with all the dlc’s cost close to 200$ , they even managed to ruin D1 pvp on the third year with weird updates and removing all the special ammo , except from pistols for some reason
@christoucoucou69 DLCs are one thing, but D1 was definitely not as predatory with their pricing than D2, and it was also before the seasonal model so I would even argue that the price of DLCs were justified, plus they included more content than what D2 dlcs have historically offered, excluding Forsaken
This feels like vindication for never having picked up destiny 2.
It’s sad that a community can recognize stuff like this, and call it out, but nothing will
Change, because the mechanisms required to cause change require sacrifice, and nobody is going to do anything about it. That includes the community and Bungie.
i was a D1 player and i played everyday and i personally was a strict PVE guy, did strikes, nightfalls, raids and other stuff then was into D2 but i started late and some of my so called friends were ahead then i was and some of them didnt want to help me level up and when i did level up it was the same in D1 about no you cant do this raid with us cause of this 1 weapon, and honeslty i never completed 1 raid in D2 all the way through crazy right? but i stopped playing the D2 way back before shadowkeep i just didnt want to keep playing 40 or $50 for a expansion and then the season passes so i just left, quit playing destiny all together and never went back but after watching this im happy i left but i would more understand y ppl would leave now. MY GOD that create ur own god roll and armor set but you gotta pay to get it? Fuck no.
Consumers are always spineless little cowards. If they had a backbone Bungie would be broke and D2 would be shut down.
i quit playing, you should do the same
@@tommytwo-times9053 your talking with the other guy right?
Is it really a sacrifice? Find a different toy to play with.
There’s an urban myth that I think applies quite aptly to bungie’s business practices over the years. It goes something like, “If you put a frog in a pot of boiling water it will instantly leap out. If you put it in a pot filled with pleasantly tepid water and gradually heat it, the frog will remain in the water until it boils to death.”
Or you could just say Destiny players are sufferers of stockholm syndrome and sunken cost fallacy
Yeah , we don’t even notice it all until after the fact .
@@DeepestFire I said in my comment above that im in an abusive relationship with bungie lol 😂
@@DeepestFirebungie groomed me from when i was young and now i cant quit
You don't know what "urban myth" means, do you? That is an old saying, not an urban myth smmfh
Where did I draw the line? When the base game and first three DLCs, all of which I purchased, were "vaulted" never to be seen again.
The entire game I bought was deleted and that's where I got off that stupid ride.
And somehow the community has Stockholmed themself into thinking vaulting dlc content is good.
All the d2 expansions and dlc totals up to $414.88, insane
“I remember the days when you walked into a store and bought a game. And now more than ever, I find myself diving into a game and finding a store.” What an insightful comment and all too true. Really makes you think about the predatory side of the business, and makes you yearn for a time when video gaming was young. Great video Aztecross!
Remember when they made games to be great, not to make money?
The games weren't perfect back then. Frankly there was a lot of 'good enough' happening.
But having a 'what you see is what you get' when you dropped for that new video game, or seeing a full review for a full price game (without any caveats about the in game store) was such a different, and frankly better, experience for a customer.
In Destiny 2 store finds you in game, its always there!!
@@leadpaintchips9461 buying a game these days is like buying a house that has 30% of the construction done and having to move in, hopefully they at least have the roof done. And the Builders nickle and diming you for doing any work after you have paid for the whole house to be done upfront.
nailed it. Tried getting into this game a few months ago and was just overwhelmed how much money it would cost me to actually access the full game.
Same story here. I haven't touched until then or since then. Hell, it Doesn't even feel good to play. Can't believe they're overpricing for this stuff
fun thing: there isnt even a full game anymore, theyve erased most of its content :"))
Oh yeah, same, but as a returning player. I played the hell out of Destiny, and even Destiny 2 on launch all the way through the Osiris DLC on Mercury.
I came back just a few months ago after years of not playing, mostly because I just wanted to play through the campaign again. Imagine my surprise when the early missions feel… different. Then slowly become COMPLETELY different.
Turns out, they actually gutted the campaign of the video game. You just simply cannot experience the campaign if the game whatsoever. It’s not its own separate game, nothing.
So I look it up and find out about the Destiny Content Vault… what a fucking joke, man. You just straight up delete old content out of your game (including the campaign, which gives context to the world of your video game, and a reason why I should even care about the damn thing in the first place), and then ask me to pay for hundreds of dollars worth of watered-down garbage that you’ll probably also delete later down the line?
No thank you. Sad to see Bungie is even more of a joke than the company that took their place making Halo lmfao.
@@Shumoku438man it pains me to read what you just said but god damn its true and it's just awful now. Loved the game when it first game out and the main story was actually decent. Now it's just garbage staggered every 6 months or so and then they sell another part of the story for £35+.
I spent like 90 bucks on the shadowkeep and forsaken expansions when the game went free to play and now it's completely useless. I stopped playing this garbage years ago so i don't give a shit either way
The writing was on the wall. Rest in Pieces Bungie.
I had a friend who lives for Destiny 2 trying to get me into it. I played the free part with her and I was hooked! But then I hit a wall where I didn’t know what to do anymore, where the story that I got invested ended and I was ready to pay money for a game that I wanted to play! And then came the bundle problem. Even with the help of an expert player I almost couldn’t figure out what packs to buy to get what I wanted and the final nail in the coffin of my destiny journey was the price tag on the whole thing. Even though the past seasons had so much content I would never ever be able to see or experience ever, no matter how much I pay. I pay a shitload of money for a game while I will never be able to play the complete story and yet I can pay more to get battle passes and cosmetics. Yeah…no. My time and money are better spend somewhere else.
Guarantee “her” used to be not be a “her”
@@ekothesilent9456is this joke coming from a trans person or are you just trying to be an ass?
As a seasoned Destiny player, your money and time is definitely spent better elsewhere. I've been a Destiny player since the Taken King in D1, and I played up until the Witch Queen. Destiny 1 was a fantastic experience, imperfect sure, but it was a fun social experience. Now it's literally the most shameless cash grab imaginable. Better to spend your money on a complete game and a complete experience, rather than getting manipulated into paying for breadcrumbs. If you liked Destiny, I'd recommend playing the Halo games instead if you haven't already
Quitting Destiny 2 was the best thing I've done in my gaming life.
When people realize that Bungie is using psychological warfare to make us FOMO, spending way more money that they deserve, and make us restart leveling and grinding for equipment with each season, only then will they find it easy to quit this trap named Destiny.
Same, I quit this shiz in 2021, it became just too overwhelming with all the money you needed to spent and on top of all, game was still grindy af.
Best gaming decision I made.
Let’s not forget whenever you complete a dungeon or whatever Bungie immediately links you to a jacket or sweater for you to buy for $150
Wow is that real? Lol. I played OG destiny when it first dropped and thinking of coming to shake some dust off, but everything im seeing is telling me not to try. Lol.
@@michaels_madness Imagine letting others decide what you can play, especially when the base game is free. It ain't all that much, but free is free.
@@ExtraordinaryFatedid u even watch the video?
Yeah this always felt very scummy to me considering how overpriced the dungeons themselves are
@@michaels_madness Play the trial (aka the free to play portion). If you think you'd like the gameplay or want to experience the story from where you left off, buy an expansion or two. Otherwise, I'd advise against it. It certainly is a different beast from D1.
This coming from someone who now has more than 2k hours logged and played since beta.
you said exactly why they won't bundle things together. it confuses people and they end up buying more because they don't know what anything is. it's funny, we all used to say Activision was at fault, but it turns out bungie have been the bad guys the whole time.
I got curious this season and totaled everything for this season on ever class and it was $415 worth of stuff added in and that got me digging through the whole store to find out exactly how much literally everything would cost to buy including all the class specific stuff. It totaled up to $4,185
This is buying everything currently available.
Over 6k
That fuckin oblivion horse armor
@@PeachDragon_bungie really was like,” hey a lot of people hated the horse armor dlc, how about we do that but amplify by 1000.”
That’s worse than the sims lol
It breaks my heart that this is where we are at with Destiny. A game this fun to play, with a universe this expansive and rich deserves the whole world, but not like this.
Oh now everyone seeing Destiny 2 becoming a microtransaction hell XD not last year or the years before that when the signs were right there in everyone faces that monetization was going to get worse if the community didn't boycott the game. XD
Good, get sad because this is the way things are now, thanks to bungie whales.
@@valzicplayz3845 everyone has a journey, holding it against them and mocking them will get us even more alienated. We need to accept that we have been too complacent and lenient in our feedback since the content has been fun, then move on and grow, so I hope you can rise up instead of just XDing all over the place
Did you buy it?
@@nailinthefashion i wish more people were like you
You missed a big one: This season, rank 7 is locked behind leveling up the seasonal vendor, so armor charge mods including elemental surges (solar surge, stat bumps, etc.) are only obtainable if you buy the season. New Free to Play guardians will be doing 22% less damage than paying guardians despite Bungie originally unlocking all mods at rank 6 when Lightfall released.
Do you really expect to get the full game experience and achieve high guardian ranks (something added for us paying vets to aim for) while not paying for the game?! Seriously?! Buy the damn game if you want to experience the full game, otherwise you would be experiencing everything a majority of the serious community pays for... yeah uhm no.. support the devs or shut up...
@@SnyperMK2000JclL does boot leather taste like sprinkles or chocolate?
@@SnyperMK2000JclL Brainworms.
@@SnyperMK2000JclL corporate lapdog
@@SnyperMK2000JclLyou sound like a bungie employee
Spending your hard earned money on fake money should be illegal. It’s very exploitative. It’s like paying real money for counterfeit money. Which ironically in itself is illegal.
I used to play D1 all the time after school as a kid to escape reality for a moment, loved the game since launch. All the expansions and countless things to do, easily most fun I'd ever had in a game. It really made me connect with friends and allowed me to forget everything else for a bit.
When D2 came out I was obviously very excited at first, but then that interest just faded away after I was done with the base game. It was never really the same, it was pretty overwhelming from the get-go. Too many microtransactions and everything in general just felt off. I later came back to the game and realized it was free to play now, then tried to ask a friend what DLC to get and I was quite lost with it so I just gave up. It's just kind of upsetting to see something you cared so much about turn to this.
Shame Destiny 1 also sucked and it was pretty much the beginning of the end.
Started as garbage, continued as garbage, with really dumb people feeding into it year after year pretending it will get better.
POTP
@okagron lmao love all yall that think destiny 1 sucked when it literally is the reason this video exists, the playerbases exists, the fans. Etc. Just admit we all loved Destiny 1 and stop spewing bs
@@okagron How did you come to that conclusion? Destiny 1 was an incredible experience
Thank you for making this. Bungie 100% deserves to be called out by everyone for their shady practices, complete overpricing (and recycling) of content. More content creator’s speaking about it is great for the community.
i dont think it really matters if they are going to buy the next thing bungie comes up with
@@blasvallejos1656 it’s sadly true. I’m definitely gonna buy the final shape. If I’d known what lightfall was like, I’d still buy it for the content.
@@christiand5954 that’s unfortunately the problem. I folded as well and bought lightfall. Luckily I didn’t pre order it or bought the deluxe but it was still a major disappointment . We can’t make the same mistake with final shape
@@christiand5954 final shape is also how they have finally shaped the player base into slot machine zombies
Did you buy it?
"Every gamer boycott is a 3 minute cinematic away from being over."
-Asmongold
Dawg is a prophet
hes right but hes still a POS. Plus he aint finishing those 3 minute ciematics in FFXIV.
@@GGMK2002how is he a PoS?
Wtf is a pos
@@delix8869 prob said something stupid in his chat and was banned lol
The way they set up the dungeon key purchase is pretty smart as it will ensure you have to pay for that fully to Bungie whereas if it was an expansion, people can wait for price drops or key resellers. This ensures there is a part of the game you have to pay full price to unlock and you only come across it after being invested already. After thousands of hours, I am really glad I stuck to quitting before LF launch.
this is what literally happened to me, I been playing D2 since Forsaken, I bought the season for the dungeon and then it turned out that I have to buy THE DUNGEON itself separately, because it made me think the dungeon comes WITH the season
Two largest factors that have led us to this point are
1. The communities complacency towards all of the store changes.
2. The complete lack of competition for Destiny
The second factor is definitely the larger one I think. Diablo has certainly pulled players for now but they still play wildly different. What we need is a game that forces Bungie to actually improve to retain players.
Won’t happen, it’s up to the community to fix this
That’s what Anthem was supposed to be, we all saw how that went
Na man, this ain't the 90's, companies don't bother competing anymore, they just agree to work the market together and create an environment that suit them both, more companies means more places to invest, more investment means more money, more money means more cars, jets and cocaine.
100% this. Why the hell would Bungie change anything when they're getting record numbers?? The only time we saw a significant change in content was when players stopped playing (vanilla D2).
Content creators* Not the community.
I always remember the rumor/leak in D2Y2, around the time Bungie went solo, that Activision actually *pushed back* against their eververse schemes because they feared it was going too far. If anything, time has shown that the "microtransaction greed" the community blamed on Activision wasn't their fault, it was Bungie's greed this whole time.
This
Nah they learned from Activision and quite a few Activision employees stayed with Bungie, this says a lot cause Activision is the reason for all this.
lol Bungie made me miss Activision I never thought I would ever feel that way. 🤣
I have been saying this for years. Anytime some destiny fan tries to blame Activision or Microsoft for the state of bungie. We have to remember none of those companies actually owned bungie bungee had full authority to do whatever they wanted with their IP. Sony is the only company out of all these years, who has the authority to tell Bungie to change direction. Bungie's biggest problem is bungie.
I always said Bungie would show their true colors after the spilt
And they in fact did it’s pathetic
I bought the game two years ago and pretty much stopped playing it for those exact reasons. Having to constantly pay for content was too frustrating for me. And every time I come back the game keeps getting more and more confusing to me. How to destroy all the trust built since Halo. Nice job Bungie.
I'm not even a D2 player but this was a great video. It had good points, in-depth research and convincing arguments backed up by facts and instances of Bungie stuffing the game full of microtransactions. The part about the dungeon keys not being included in the season pass reminded me of the Amazon dark pattern lawsuit. Amazon were sued because they made the process of cancelling an Amazon Prime subscription so confusing that most people couldn't opt out and cancel their monthly recurring charges. So, the money just kept flowing out of their accounts, arguably against their will.
Similarly, live service games today make content access and purchase so confusing that people pay out of frustration and desperation. Most players just want to experience new content and play with their friends. They do not have the time to read through and understand how exactly to make the best, most economic purchase. I wonder if the audience would look more favourably upon a simple base price increase from the current $60 instead of dealing with these questionable practices.
Don’t comment often but this video deserves as much engagement as possible.
Being a PvP player the past couple years and being consistently charged isn’t the greatest feeling. Been my favorite game since d1 first came out. The more time passes the less I can justify the cost.
Great video cross, thanks as always.
I'm not primarily a PvP player, but for me i engage in PvE for loot to use in PvP (because literally any loot works in PvE)
I have felt not only like the price is hard to justify, but also that the loop is hard to justify
Why do i play PvE if the loot i get will be used in a mode where i can't enjoy myself because of lag/lack of content/terrible balance/infrequent updates/bad communication/cheaters/massive exploitable glitches
The thing i hate the most is that my friends have to pay 60 bucks just to play trials with me every year
I quit Destiny 2 after the catastrophe that Lightfall was, because I was convinced that things are going bad in a vicious cycle. Now after some time I'm happy that I made the right decision.
I hate myself for playing Destiny 2 over 600 hours with only having Forsaken DLC and season of plunder and always play solo.
Finally, a creator with the balls to say and address it. Thank you Cross.
Cross calls Bungie out a lot. He's one of the few that will call Bungie on their shit
Lmao everyone has been complaining genius
Because thats where the views are 🤑
@Masoch1st name a vid or post worth its salt before this, I'll wait. A lot of Destiny player/creators are spineless when it comes to this topic.
yeah but the complaints are useless if we (and he) keep buying everything
"I remember the days you walk into a store and bought a game, and now more than ever i find myself diving into a game and finding a store" That shit was deep as hell.
I just found this video, I had been thinking about getting back into Destiny since quitting about a year into Destiny 2. However, after watching this video I don't think I'll be able to afford getting all of the expansions to catch up to everyone else... sad to see the game go down this path :/
I saw the writing on the wall back in Destiny 1. I went from being one of Desiny's biggest defenders to abandoning. I think the content in the games has had highs and lows but overall I am glad I moved on.
I loved Destiny but abandoned the series when D2 came out. I came back in 2022 and liked it, but it was so hard to justify playing. It was such a bad game, it was frustrating to play, and it's own playerbase hates it so much and knows that they're being exploited but still play anyway. I've never seen a game like that. A game that's literally bad for you to play, both mentally and financially.
I'll never play Destiny 2 again.
11:05 Also notice how buying the 20$ silver pack gives you 2300 silver, which is just short of the amount of silver you need for 2 seasons.
It's purposely done to force you to buy a 2nd pack and should be illegal.
@@samantha_t99 Abusive pricing structures are fucking awful and once you know what they are you'll be shocked how common they are.
@@samantha_t99 And it is in the EU.
@furgel7717 Destiny 2, FO76, Skyrim/FO4 Creation Club, ESO, Fortnite to name a few.
@@samantha_t99 fortnite actually does not do this, the base bundle gets you 1000 vbucks which is enough to buy a battlepass with a few vbucks to spare, and once youve bought a battlepass theress more than enough vbucks to get to perpetually keep buying battlepasses.
Now they begin to understand…
Agreed
I understand years ago
I just didn't want to acknowledge it
Bungie keeps getting away with it
Bro was preaching for years, but we did not listen 😭
Took em long enough
I tried Destiny 2 a couple of times and each time I am so confused as to what to do. So glad I could never get deep into it.
Cool video, this has officially killed any chance of me picking up destiny again and im honestly glad. Sick of greedy devs killing gaming.
The whole increasing the season pass price to $12 but forcing people to buy $15 dollars worth to get it has genuinely been a final straw for me and has finally begun to shake me out of this "sunk cost fallacy" trap I've been caught up in with this game for 9 years.
I just started and all this seems crazy
I stopped playing after forsaken went away
You've played this trash for 9 years? Geez, seek help
Should've stopped playing after Destiny 1...
You, in particular, like me, should thank Bungie in this case.
They're so filthy and scummy they cured your sick addiction to this POS game!
It’s crazy to come back to destiny after not playing for almost 6 years and seeing it in a worse state than how it was when it first came out
Dude I quit last year and holy hellfire I never considered how much I was paying into the game. 100$ every year, you get drawn into the cash shop etc. I grant I’ve now fallen into overwatch 2 and Diablo as my “live service” games but got damn so much content is locked behind nearly 200$ worth of dlc, and there still is no guarantee it’ll stick around. They’ve “cancelled” sunsetting but there’s no binding contract and you still lose the seasonal content at the end of the year.
@@thedude4840 hey bro i wanted to go back to destiny i stop playing right before witch queen drops, is it worth it to just put some time on it again now?
@@muhammadalifrahman708 personally no I was the last man standing in my friend group for “guy who plays destiny” and it was rough. If you got a dedicated group maybe but otherwise you’ll be running with randoms and that’s sketchy. The game demands so much goddamn time to unlock basic ass exotics. I’m about to start a job where I literally will be grinding all day I don’t want to come home and virtually angle grind for 0 pay. The writing has gotten considerably worse, and now their about to launch some other game when they can barely maintain the one they have now.
And this is why warframe >>>> Destiny
@@thedude4840 I said it, stadia was one of the reasons d2 was alive people just bared it till stadia died
I've got one more idea for Bungie - make dungeon keys one-time use! So that players must buy a new dungeon key EVERY time they wanna do a dungeon.
Bonus idea - regular content cuts. And a subscription fee for those players who wanna preserve the content they once had paid for.
Am I good for Bungie's sales department? Damn good I am! :)
You have to remember, this is the company that got us to pay for them to take away half the content and get rid of loads of weapons! Absolutely masterful!
and now they're bringing them back as if its new content woohoo!
And then they proceeded to resell that content back to us. I'm so glad I dropped this game.
@@cowzdrinkmilk3753 Not saying they were right to take away the content, but to be fair they have yet to resell us any content they took away
@@petervalvo1186 they're not reselling it, they just act as if its "new" content. meaning they put in less effort to add REAL new content.
@@petervalvo1186 Re-issued weapons?
I feel like a lot of us veteran players knew this was going downhill subconsciously but it hits different when you break it down so eloquently. Great work 🙏🏼
True words. I remember in the middle of the great content draught thinking "wow, kinda feels like they added in some coametic bullshit to milk us dry right before their next game" and then being livid when I saw Tess in D2.
And yet, here I am with another few hundred hours in the game despite going on break from Forsaken all the way to Lightfall, being told how I'm an idiot for buying into the game once again, and that being a novel idea to me because I simply hadn't realised.
yup this, agree
It went downhill a long time ago
Al once again hitting us over the head with a shovel
yeah I've been playing since shadowkeep, I've never bought microtransactions other than seasons and dlcs, and some ornament with those extra 100 silver you used to get. then came the 30 year thing which baffled me that it cost money, then the dungeon keys, but i thought, I'm playing the expansions anyways so I'll just get the deluxe edition, that is as cheap as getting seasons individually and also has dungeons. then deluxe edition became more expensive. my friends are complain about how bad the server issues are. i feel seasons are becoming more worthless, even tho their stakes are increasing.
now I'm even reconsidering if i should trust bungie enough to even play final shape when it comes out, or just wait to see if its another lightfall amd drop the game
Boycotting games like this would accomplish a lot actually. Players collectively just don't give enough of a fuck and have too little willpower to follow through with it. Monetization strategies like this are so prevalent today BECAUSE players are bending over and accepting it.
Another problem for a f2p player, like myself, is the lack of depth in all the things that you can do. Yes, there is a seemingly vast amount of f2p content on first glance, but once you've played a couple hours on one of them (like dungeons), you've basically seen all that the f2p side that there is.
What kept me playing the game for 200h was the campaign (back when there was one) & messing around with friends in-between it. That at least made the repetition of the limited f2p content seem worth it because you had the long-term goal of finishing the campaign.
Now I only really log on for the 'ooh, flashy effects' feeling, and that's not enough for me to justify 100+ gigs of space for the game nor 100 USD, which is enough to take my family out to a fancy dinner here in South Africa.
What's very unfortunate is that upon vaulting of bright engrams and the removal of bright dust on dismantles, things took a faaaaaar worse turn. Nobody talks about how players putting 10 hours in a day could easily buy every item in eververse week after week with NO bright dust farming, versus the modern era of do all your challenges/bounties and PRAY you aren't broke by the end of the Dawning. It is downright sad.
@dgsdoggie5882 I didn't, I literally said that. The dawning costs 24,000 bright dust before any emotes.
It has become very very clear the blame they placed on Activision was not warranted. They have become one of the greediest AAA game developer.
There are a lot of cracks showing and the divide in the community is huge. Everyone is starting to catch on. We as a community that keeps the game alive are fed up. I’ve gone from an everyday player to once or twice a week for about an hour each session. It’s sad to see bungie ruin the game and breaking promises to us. Especially now with MARATHON announced. They should be ashamed of themselves
I remember how I celebrated bungie's separation only to instantly lament the introduction of a battle pass and more dlc as if we weren't already abused of our dollars
We are seeing that it was definitely a bungie issue and activision was only a symptom of a bigger problem we only noticed after activision left .
I think, they learned a lot from the greed of activision. They learned they could actually get a shit load of money with less effort.
By the time bungie left activision, propably almost every dev who cared about the game left already.
So the split from activision feels like bungie just wanted all the cake for themselves now. The apprentice became the master.
Creeps on the Bungie board of directors.
Everyone is winging about this game and how ya get shit on, I bet the next game you play will be marathon FOOL YOU
I think the amazing part about Destiny is that it has sucked ever since the beginning, and the fact that people forced themselves to enjoy Destiny is more indicative of the issue with video games and the copium cycle.
Good to finally see this video being made. It’s been a long time coming.
A friend of mine mentioned this a year or two ago, he was wondering why no one in the community isn't up in arms to call out Bungie for their greedy practices. I guess this is the age "It is what it is" cuz we couldn't do a damn thing about it.
Its age of ''' we gonna cry, but wont sacrifice for the change'', its really not that hard
Could just not pay, there’s other things to spend your time doing, if they see people get fed up with slimy practices they’ll hold up on pushing them in people, but when people just keep buying into it why wouldn’t they just keep pushing it as far as they can, shit is retarded it very much so is the community’s responsibility to hold their content provider accountable for the the quality of content they’re buying
I really dislike that online discussion of such things is often filled with people who "don't disagree" in the sense that if you say one of these practices is bad, people will start ganging up with "well, it's the industry standard nowadays", you call them out on helping cement it and they go "whoa, I never disagreed", but then they never proceed to agree; their biggest concern is correcting someone instead of listening to what that someone just said, and I seriously just don't understand why it's even a thing when people should be basically going "yeah, it sucks, I hate it and it should change".
Bungie should not have left halo, they both would still be in a good place now
If Bungie still had Halo, Bungie would be with Microsoft. Enough said
I really hope other d2 creators get on this train and pressure bungie to make a change for the players soon
They wont
They wont
lmao soon.
Unless Bungie's stock actually drops, they won't change anything. So unless the community has an idea on how to accomplish that, we're screwed lmao
If you look at Bungie’s history the only thing that will make them respond is if people stop playing. Right now they’re making a boat load of cash for minimal work.. they’ve gone from halo to this utter shit. Imagine that.
Y'know, they call it the slippery slope *fallacy* ... but I can't help but notice that things just keep sliding.
TO THIS DAY, the April Update is my favorite fucking update to Destiny EVER. I STILL want the taken armor, emotes, etc, the FUN we had from that update, BACK. If it's not back in Final Shape, frankly I'm trhough.
"Bungie in some ways is worse than Activision ever was."
This hits so hard like a aimbot cheater in the last round until flawless lighthouse.
Good.
That should open some eyes on all those people thinking Activision, or any publisher for that matter, was the one behind dev's decision.
@@amoexthey do tho. The content now is completely different and much more enjoyable than it was when activision was publisher. This video is right in criticizing the micro transactions but notice it doesn’t criticize the content. The thing that sucks so much about the micro transactions is the game is finally good again but they’re ruining it again at the same time. It’s very clear bungie wasn’t able to steer the ship in the direction they wanted because of activation intervening.
@@lukebent7317 You are INSANE if you think this shit tier content they put out right now is even close to Forsaken era content lmao. Fuck even SHADOWKEEP was a better cycle and so was Beyond Light despite losing all that content
ya know, I was aware of each of this individual things but you don't really notice just how bad it's getting until it's all put in front of you at once. Thank you for this
But they support pride! Stop being a bigot and pay the megacorp!
Absolutely a perfect demonstration of the frog in the boiling water pot metaphor. Same as you I never really thought about the totality of everything that's changed over the years until stopping and taking it in with this video.
Also I just gotta say that right now D2 is absolutely terrible new player experience at this point in time. Confusing yet also thread-bare.
It’s pretty eye opening, even if most people are honestly not that affected by it atm.
I remember arguing with people on r/DestinyTheGame subreddit years ago about whether destiny was actually free to play, of course i was always down voted into oblivion by these people. Bungie could do no wrong in their eyes. I would say things like, "what free to play game charges you 40 dollars for expansions?" And they would reply with, "the base game *is* free to play!" I've spent hundreds of dollars on Destiny 2 *after* Bungie started calling it a F2P game.
But it's like cross said here, that's like 10% of the game so it's actually more like free trial than free to play. And I would draw comparisons with other, actual F2P games like Apex Legends where the entire game is free to play, you pay for none of the game's content outside of some cosmetics.
Now aztecross makes a video about it and 1.4 million people watch it. Wonder what those people on r/DestinyTheGame have to say about this now... haha.
That sub is full of rabid fanboys.
Charging anything more than $10 for a cosmetic set is robbery imo.
Honestly, gamers realising how exploitative mtx schemes are, but still insisting they are "fine paying for cosmetics" in their full price game with season passes is my favourite genre of video.
Mtx are fine. Having a full game locked behind 1000$ of expansions and then adding mtx on top is a problem.
@@jaber4lifePeople saying "mtx are fine" is what leads to things like this happening. It's been getting worse across all games. And the birth of mtx was the birth of the majority of games turning into Software as a Service. You give companies an inch, they take a mile
@@Dimebag-wx2rs disagree.
Mtx can be a valid way of running a game as a service a la Fortnite.
@@jaber4life Clearly you missed the context of what they're talking about. The original comment said "full price game" and everyone responding to it understood that. You come in and mention Fortnite as if it's somehow comparable to Destiny 2. I don't remember Fortnite ever charging for anything other than their battle pass and cosmetics which of course if justifiable seen as it is a true free to play game.
Best multiplayer games let you earn your cosmetics so when you see someone that looks sick you know they earned it, paying for cosmetics ruins the fun of making your character look sick. e.g. Halo 3/reach. COD 4, Oldschool WoW, runescape and even a bunch of single player games.
Thanks for making this, as a massive D2 creator in the community, your voice has a bigger outreach than any of us little guys. I hope This and the many others actually tells those of the community to start caring and get rid of the "it's just cosmetics, ignore it" attitude.
Did you buy it?
Uh huh and how many videos of similar subjects has the d2 creator space made? Each one saying the same thing about bungie crossing the line?
@@FreightTrain54 proud to say i havent spend a single £ in d2 for a whole 1.5 year
@@arramiscastellon6168Usually once a year, not long after a DLC launch
@@arramiscastellon6168 yeah like Joker, November Hotel, and others haven't been saying this for so long. They already got a few in the community to listen
Great analysis dude, keep posting.I ma a casual player, still learn basics and I can confirm that I find very hard to understand all of Bungie artificial segmentations for D2. And btw, they shove you the ugliest gear ornaments only to buy a decent one from their store.
When totalbiscuit was complaining about this micro-transactions in games no one listen to him. He tried to tell us years before he passed now it's to late. As a new player to the greed has me to the point if wanting to quit before this fuckers get more money out of me.
I haven't been playing Destiny for a while and just happened to get recommended this. It really speaks to a lot of the issues I had been having around the time I stopped playing. For me, the tipping point was when I realized midway through Season of Dawn that the storyline and game mode I had been enjoying would just be going up in smoke in about a month. At that point I started logging in less and less, and every time I would get a craving to play a game I'd end up hearing about some new horseshit like them scrubbing out the entire Red War campaign and half the planets or the separately paywalled dungeon. As much as I do still crave playing the game and would love to go back, I refuse to engage with the kind of blatant nonsense that Bungie keeps shoveling out.
I played through Frsaken till Beyond light started, sometimes I have a feeling of nostalgia to those times, but a thought of how much I have to cash out to be back gently stops me of considering that move. I played mine. Let it be a good memories.
The game is designed to pull in people with either gambling addictions (loot, gear, and weapon rolls from engrams) or those with addictions to the short dopamine bursts from cosmetics. I've always hated Destiny at its core even though I would play with friends running dungeons or Trials of Osiris.
Something happened. A schism of sorts. Almost as if you had a gf who would make you comfortable and content, only to eventually manipulate you into doing things that benefitted her at the cost of your own happiness; what you may have considered immoral and unjust in the beginning, later, you would be doing just that.
The aforementioned paragraph summarizes what has happened to the player base as a collective, overall. Many players with standards and lines-drawn-in-the-sand left Destiny, cutting ties with the shady business practices. However, many more players stayed, along with new ones arriving, replacing those with integrity; outnumbering them. What we have now are a mass of players who are seduced and weak, lost in this abyss of Destiny's money-milking design model. They are feeble and have no purpose. Think of simps who support OnlyFans models. Thinking those girls give a crap about them. They don't. Big surprise. Same thing with Destiny. They mindlessly deploy their hard earned money, or max mommy's credit card to chase that high of which Destiny completely throttles, leaving those lost souls permanently stuck, like in Davy Jones's Locker; the final resting place for those travelers.
I've come from a time when Halo: CE arrived. So I have seen it all; the degradation of a once great company with just morals built into its core. Now, a completely revamped hull and a shell with its integrity shed, this reformed company sits on its throne, like the dragon who sat on its mountain of gold under its wings. No one can challenge it or its plunder for it is a testament of its accomplishments.
The dragon cannot be defeated. Only replaced with one that is greater.
Never gonna regret my choice on dropping out before lightfall. A game I’ve played since high school reduced to a shell of what it once was. I can only hope more people break the cycle and give Bungie the wake up they need.
I'm playing to see the saga to its end. But, like I suspect many others might do...I'm very hesitant about after final shape.
@@xXMemelord i wish those of you luck up to that point
I got lightfall but glad didn't buy deluxe edition like i did with witch queen... I was like: ok, i pay for the seasons i enjoy and skip the others, would save some money, but now they raised the prices for everything, buy destiny it have been fun
It’s WAY better than what it used to be lol. I hate destiny fans cause they really think the old game and double primaries were good😂 all 3.0 subclasses, and stasis and strand are awesome. The game has sooooo much. I’m sick of people being surprised a 10 year old game is gonna start charging for whole ass new content 😂. Don’t be delusional. I’ve had 5 new friends start playing with lightfall and all are obsessed now. Wait for a sale, you can get all the expansions for like 35 bucks as a whole
@@AvEnGeD7X238 of course the game got better, but what they did with season pass isn't fair, when next expasion arrives go check the difference between what people without deluxe edition had to spend compared to the ones that got deluxe edition
I came back to this after all the layoff and delay drama and realized i underappreciated the transition cards in this vid being expansion title knock offs and it’s so funny 💀 “Which Card?” Has me dying.
Lightfall was the first time I didn’t buy an expansion and I haven’t bought any of the subsequent seasons for this year either. Not only was I welcomed with a $50 price tag on an expansion that reviewed poorly and after researching further, I wasn’t interested in, but I also found out I can’t even snag the season for $10 like usual. Everything else was still there for me that I’ve purchased previously, but of course I’ve already played through that and I’m just not interested in anything PvE related right now in Destiny 2. So that leaves PvP for me, which I was glad to see Supremacy return, and the Iron Banner change that allows me to compete without light level considered… but that was it. It’s been about 6 months since I played and there’s no new maps, modes, etc. I’m just not interested enough in Destiny to bother with it this year apart from occasional PvP. Maybe final shape will be better but I’m done with buying things in advance. I would rather basically have the whole story and gameplay spoiled for me so I can experience a worthwhile purchase than purchasing in advance and getting nothing out of it. That’s where I’m at with Destiny and that’s why I’m not spending any money on the game this expansion. Back to Elden Ring cause I’m getting more out my $60 game purchase with zero micro transactions than this live-service game ✌️
One of the best analytical pieces of content I’ve seen on D2 for a long time. Overdue and honest.
Agreed.
This is honestly what we get for laying the blame exclusively on Activision for the lackluster quality of past content. The greed was always there, and it absolutely was not just Activision. The Activision / Bungie split just proves this. Bungue took the Destiny IP with them and the greed still continued unchecked
It's the free market working as intended..
@@Svafne Plenty of other games manage to be successful and widely loved and praised without stooping to these lows, what are you on about?
@@Svafne 💀
How do you feel when someone manipulates logic and uses the “The Law” to frame them as the good guy and us as the bad guy
@@uria3679 thats a really random question. Why do you ask?
I blame the players too...destiny one clearly showed bungie was monetizing more and more and listening to players less and less. Destiny 2 removed the veil and showed they wanted to actively exploit the players and had no respect for their time...i left after the second destiny 1 expansion....anyone who stuck around just continued to support bungie despite their actions...so they are now reaping what they have supported for the past 7 years.
Damn never played Destiny 2 and thanks to this video I never will. Big props to this guy
Being a Destiny 1 vanilla player this video makes me sad with how honest and eye opening it is. Definitely one of your best videos.
Recently started replaying d1 some of the most fun I've had in a minute d2 hasn't made me feel like that since forsaken
@@windexchugger6108 i can agree with you there
I've been off and on since vanilla D1, nothings changed. It's the sam cycle the whole way through, cough up money and bungie promises this time it'll be how we want it to be... Never happens. Scam driven by fans imagination and potential of the game. I started playing around a month before beyond light, I cancelled the preorder and I'm fucking glad I did 😊
@@windexchugger6108 I started to play D2 around S8 on PC, but I have an Xbox new gen, and I'm eyeing with D1 in the store. Does it worth it to start a new caracter in 2023?
What's so hilarious is that about a year and a half ago I made a reddit post on the exact points you made, including all the pay to win aspects of destiny 2. I got like 40 down votes and a ton of angry comments. I never use reddit and that was my first post, I was upset with how destiny became so pay to win and wanted to express that somewhere, I ended up just deleting the post after so much negative feedback. Sucks that it has to come to this point but I am very glad you were able to make a video (a reputable voice within the destiny community) and have positive feedback and make an actual damn point. I appreciate that.
I got lambasted for pointing out the Three of Coins tomfuckery 4-5 years ago. Players tried to defend Bungie for not quickly removing or patching the bugged PAID consumable that increased exotic drop rates. One player posted on social media that irrefutably proved the Three of Coins didn't work AT ALL due to some bug. In fact, they kept the Three of Coins in the store WEEKS after that became well-known on social media. I got the, "well, video game development is hard; they can't fix everything right away" line, despite Bungie very quickly fixing beneficial glitches within days, sometimes HOURS after being known.
I've backed a lot of small indie teams with shoestring budgets. There were game-breaking bugs that were fixed within 90 minutes after just a few players reporting that on the forums. For Bungie, a well-oiled and large AAA developer to pull that greedy nonsense is INEXCUSABLE. Bungie was very clearly exploiting the players who don't go on social media to find out about glitches and bugs.
Same thing I did bro. I was explaining to people back when beyond light dropped that destiny 2 was turning into pay to win for crucible. They said that wasn’t the case
I drew the line when I saw the $100 lightfall campaign ad for the 15th million time. As well as me getting little to no content without throwing down so much money.
The major factor of warframe being better than destiny is that everything is free if you farm it but people buy platinum to buy stuff because they truly love the game and want to fund de to continue making the game great
This video needed to be made by someone so well respected in the community. This was a great video. Such a shame the game as gotten so bad.
The microtransactions are just one aspect of why the game has turned so bad. IMO, the game was most fun in the first 3 years after it launched. Then it was one disappointment after another. They changed the voice actor and then killed my favorite character Cayde; they turned the game I paid $90 for into F2P; they introduced sunsetting and removed 60% of content, including my favorite raids and activities; and all the new content after that were not fun or just downright disappointing. I legit miss the first 3 years of Destiny 2.
Ayyy, it’s my favorite old Battlefront TH-camr. 🫡 Cheers.
when Darkside royalty, Nova Umbra or November Hotel did the videos with the same hot takes have half of the impact on the comunity and get way more hate
Remember when season of opulence launched and they had a step to unlock the treasure chest emote that cost bright dust. Right before they changed the way you earned bright dust to drain the player economy. This was also the season where the changed bright engrams from dropping current seasonal cosmetics to global cosmetics. You went from getting 90% of cosmetics naturally during your playtime and then maybe topping up with the ones you didn't have with bright dust to almost never getting what you want unless you paid real money.
Cause I fucking remember.
Pepperidge farm remembers as well.
Never forget that Bungie left Activision after Bungie learned they made them $1B in revenue from Eververse alone. Their claim, not mine.
They left to try and publish pay2win free2play mobile games in China where p2w is more culturally accepted. At least until the CCP waged war on video games, calling them, "Poison for the soul."
BDobbinsFTW warned us years ago.
Never forget how Bungie told us that Eververse would fund future free Dungeon content.
Predicted this back in 2015 when Silver first became a thing in Destiny 1. This was the sole reason I didn't buy D2.
i dont even understand why people pay to place games like this? You can get tons of fun games for what you pay here.
I really enjoyed how you can trigger the new exotic glaive quest only to find out you have to pay to actually do it. Good one bungie.
I still have the damn quest marker on the board every time i visit the mars crafting spot
They really can’t shed 1 exotic mission for free?
@@awesomeguy9513 honestly, if they did that’s less value to the season pass.
Which exotic glaive are you talking about specifically?
@@RobertoArboleda Vexcalibur.
Genuinely with all my heart, thank you for making this video. For a MAJOR Destiny content creator to finally call them out in a formal way, is such an important step forward. Thank you for fighting the good fight, because to be honest with you, I pretty much gave up. I joined Destiny on PC way back when it was still on freaking battlenet. I adored Destiny 1 from afar due to health complications not allowing me to operate a controller, so I jumped at the opportunity to play it on PC. I watched the entirety of Destiny 1 as a audience member, so that should give you an idea of how much I loved this franchise.
So it breaks my heart to see it slowly sink when it comes to player satisfaction. I've made a couple of TH-cam comments here and there, replied to a couple of folk, made way too many Reddit posts, all about the monetization of the game. But with Lightfall, I just kinda gave up. Every time I would speak out about the anti-consumer practices Bungie is employing, I would always get vitriol from the white knights of Bungie. "Don't like it don't play it", "Bungie has to make money somehow", "What a troll, Destiny 2 is the best F2P game out right now" etc etc etc. Even my friends have given up, they pounce at every opportunity to spend money on the game, for better or for worse. New DLC preorder just dropped? Let me hop on that. New pass to access content that was previously accessible as part of the entire DLC? Where's my credit card. New ornament that makes the exotic gun silver instead of orange? Hell yeah. It's disappointing.
Their arguments are so infuriatingly wrong, because when I try to explain my point or perspective to the people defending these practices, I'm met with a brick wall. Don't they see that I love Destiny as much as them? For example, the Destiny 2 is free to play thing. I've compared Destiny 2's "free to play" to FFXIV's Free trial, to show just how BS the statement for Destiny being free to play is. It's way closer in scope to FFXIV's free trial, in comparison to true F2P games that you brought up like Warframe.
My breaking point was the 30th anniversary "expansion". I did not buy it. I refused, it went against everything I stood for. I only got it when it was offered for free via Epic games. The only reason I had the Dungeon Pass in Witch Queen, was because the entire deluxe package was on sale for 40% off. And when Lightfall came out, the only reason I bought it was for friends. I did not buy the Season of the Deep. I, someone who AVIDLY watched from the sidelines in Destiny 1, consuming content for something I literally could not play, and playing since the absolutely awful Day 1 for Destiny 2 on PC, did not buy the latest season. And I don't think I'll even buy any of the seasons left in this DLC cycle. I just can't. I can afford it, but why should I spend it? I could spend the same amount of money on the season on an older AAA hit, or an indie game and get WAY more time and value for it.
I am a staunch advocate for consumer focused monetization, but it's so god damn futile. It's tiring, it's numbing, it's frustrating, it's depressing and it's just.... shite. Every point you made in this video, was 100% correct. It's factually true, they're not even opinion points. Every argument I've made in my entire time playing Destiny, you've represented in this video clearly. From Dungeon Keys, to the transmog situation. And I love, and thank you for it. And yet, I expect nothing from this. This community, with all the good that's come from it, has battered me down so much when it comes to the monetization conversation. I hope something comes from this, and I wish you THE MIGHTIEST OF PRAYERS, that you don't get submerged in vitriolic hate by the white knights defending Bungie. Because I couldn't handle it.
I love your content, and will continue to watch your channel for you, and for the editing. Sure, I'll come back when Final Shape arrives, only because I'm way too deep at this point. After that though? I don't think I can play support Bungie with Destiny anymore. I think I will go back to being just an audience member, just watching from the sidelines like I did with Destiny 1. Only this time, I have the option to actually play it, I just choose not to.
Edit: Well, my friends who gave up found your video. Literally the first words they said were
"1: tbf as bad as it is, this is the norm. Look at Diablo, damn near $30 every set
2: Every game fr
1: yeah D2 gets called out as if it's the only one doing it
2: It's basically free money for any company
3: the problem isn't game companies, you'd be dumb as shit in todays world to not grab that free bag".
Ladies and gentlemen, my friends.
I ain't reading 6 paragraphs
@@somankill7549 then don't lmao
thank you very much for your thoughts! they helped my own a lot❤
I already bought Lightfall + Annual when I came back during Season of the Seraph which was such a breathe of fresh air from what I remembered that I was super excited. Then I played Lightfalls campaign and it was meh. Really killed my want to play. Only thing that kept me playing was $100 spent and the fact that I hadn't done raids or dungeons. Now that I did them all I just get on once a week, do the weekly mission, maybe a raid/dungeon, then I'm done for the week. I'll be there for the Final Shape cause as you said, already too invested. Don't think I'll be there for post final shape seasons or any further expansion.
I left I don't regret it. Much happier sometimes real life gives me enough treadmills and groundhog day, I don't need to pay to experience those things.
Kinda ironic how free to play games are more expensive than paid games…
"...if we see legendary guns for sale, [...] I'm gonna be mad, [...] if they cross that line, you have my rage."
well that aged well
Thank you Aztecross from being one of the few content creators to call this out.
I’m so glad someone is speaking out about this that actually has a platform to be heard on. This type of monetization is why I recently left the game and why many, if not most, of my friends had already left.
This^ I dropped it this season and I immediately felt better. I quit in the middle of the dungeon and deleted the game 💀💀
Yep. All 5 of my friends that I got to try the game were turned off by the amount of content that was needed to purchase to be able to play the game freely.
I feel like not nearly enough destiny content creators talk about how bad silver and dungeon keys are, anybody who doesn’t ONLY play destiny can’t excuse spending so much money on such a broken and unfulfilling game but especially when it’s primary market is FOMO
@@treymathis1189once you get to that point where you're truly sick and tired it's no going back. I feel you on that, quit the game as well a few days ago
It's death by a thousand cuts... we bleed out slowly almost painlessly. This feels dramatic but am I wrong? It's the closest I've ever felt to Stockholm's syndrome is my attachment to Destiny. I've been with it since Taken King and I'll probably stay it just feels worse to quit it now but I'm so tired of it all. Senseless grind in activities I no longer enjoy for loot and accolades I don't care about is not fun. I've thought of just watching the story play out on TH-cam and quitting it years ago but I'm still here.. playing destiny...I get a month or so each annual drop of fun and then 11 months of garbage...
As someone who took a break and is now currently on a break from destiny again, it was overwhelming to come back. There are too many paid things, and locking Ghorn behind a $20 price tag was an absolute smack in the face, they knew full well what they were doing and what they are currently doing. It's a shame because I and I'm sure like many others thought them going solo was going to improve the game but when everything is nickeled and dimed, I begin to wonder if they were better off staying with activision. I love destiny but its a game I love because of its lore but playing it now a days feels like W.O.W where your better off just opening your wallet to be somewhat caught up and fill in the gaps later.
Honestly, I spent so long debating whether to even buy the anniversary pack, like... I couldn't work out if Ghorn was even worth it.
Like WoW? Wtf are you saying, WoW has a lot of faults but its monetization is honestly a lot fairer than Destiny or all the other micro transaction riddled trash. It could still be better if you look at stuff like GW2, but I do wonder how GW2 can even sustain itself financially with that model.
It's not even a question, they were better off under Activision. I stopped playing after they announced sunsetting and i was a pretty hardcore player, like 5+ hours a day for years type of player lol, it's just sad to see that the game turned out like this. You know, i can't help but wonder what would the game be like right now if Activision was still around to hold them back and provide amazing help like Forsaken, alas...
If anything, this shows that Activision was less greedy than Bungie lol
I was aware to some extent but honestly having Aztecross point out everything over the years I've grow numb to has really blown my mind. Honestly makes me reconsider how Bungie actually feels about it's player base/ customers. Just another triple A who treats us like walking wallets.
The community needs to send bungie a message and not buy into silver not buy into dlc and play the game if you want but its better if you don't so that bungue starts making good content again instead of the cash grab bare minimum content that we get now
As someone who comes back from time to time to D2, it feels like each time I come back they've gotten even more egregious and disrespectful of players time and money.
@@CosmicHiker22 The community needs to send bungie a message and not buy into silver not buy into dlc play the game if you want but its better if you don't so that bungie starts making good content again instead of the cash grab bare minimum content that we get now please spread this message we need to band together.
@@workingonit5532 Unfortunately whales will always outspend the 'little guys'. It's why cash shops are so profitable. There's always enough whales to make-up for large numbers of casuals. Josh Strife Hayes did a video about monetization in games and it was eye opening how in some games, dev's will deliberately cater to whales because one whale can equate to thousands of players. Hardcore D2 players will never quit, at least not until after TFS.
Lol 5 years too late.
Probably the most important video on Bungie's Destiny ever made. Thank you for making this happen. It means the world for everybody, from new lights, to casuals to hard-core players.
i agree 100%. Great comment. Also Damn we are almost at 7k total comments
DarksideRoyalty has been saying this for years and he got hated for it
The problem I have with cosmetics is, that it's a drive point in many games to collect cool sets.
If I have to pay for stuff like this, I'm out.
I still can’t believe they removed the base campaign one day I’d like to replay the stories
One of the best pieces of content on D2 I've ever seen on the platform. Thank you, Cross, you really went out there saying out loud what most of the community currently thinks of Bungie, while perfectly conveying the idea of this downward spiral straight to hell that Bungie has built over all this years. It's really sad to look to the past and say to yourself "remember when Prophecy was given to us for free?", when, in the meantime, they keep "improving the free-to-play experience" by giving us back content we already paid 35$ for back in the days while keeping removing content we paid 40$ for (or should I say 50$ now?) just in one year. But what really makes all of this unbearable is this costant feeling you have while playing the game, just like a ghost whispering in your ear at all times, that keeps telling you that Bungie isn't putting enough effort in what they do for D2 because they are focusing on another project to make more money, and all that is going on in D2 is just duct tape to prevent the boat from sinking, while squeezing as much money as they can from it before they can't keep it afloat anymore. I'm not talking about PvP alone, it's a feeling I got during all of Lightfall, ESPECIALLY during the RoN race. But, personal feelings aside, I want to end this wall of text by thanking you again for this great piece of criticism and your balls of steel, so... Thank you, Cross.
hi, Destiny 2 won't be here in 7 years it is dying fast. In a nutshell, the servers have had it and everyone I know has or is moving away from Bungie. I'm not getting the new season pass when it comes out. I'm done with Bungie and their lies and busted game and servers they are too greedy. peace brother from the UK.
I thought I was the only one, but I tried getting a friend to play it and I literally almost changed my mind and told him NOT to halfway through explaining all the pay walls.