Conventional is like close grip bench, and Sumo is like medium or wide bench depending on your stance. When you put your joints (Bench:Elbows, Deadlift:Hips) further from the bar it makes it so your triceps and lower back will become the limiting factor. Obviously conventional and close grip look cooler and are more impressive pound for pound compared to the shorter ROM versions, but if you go to someone with a strong sumo and tell them "move your feel closer together so you can move less weight and have a higher chance injuring your back" they're going to think you're an idiot
If anything conventional is the same as a regular grip in the bench, and sumo is a very wide grip. This method focuses on gaining strength, not looking cool. The heaviest deadlifts ever have been pulled conventional, because they make you stronger over a longer ROM. A close grip bench has a longer ROM but doesn't make you stronger than a wide grip bench
@@Francesco-cj3oi The heaviest deadlifts ever have been done by strongmen competitors that have only been allowed to train conventional because of their ruleset, and they're all exceptionally large men. The larger your height the less benefit you'll get from sumo because the bar starts at a fixed height for everyone. Gripping/Standing wide puts more of your joints closer to the bar, so more of the force generated by your muscles can go into it without being lost to poor leverage. When you tuck your elbows in close for a close grip bench, your elbows come ahead of your shoulder and then you need to work to overcome that inefficiency. It's the same thing with conventional deadlift putting your ass behind your feet and shoulders
Um, do both? Unless you're a competitive powerlifter, I'd prefer to be well-rounded. Sumo and conventional address different musculature, there's no advantage out in the real world to being better at one at the expense of the other.
I'm all for exercise and I know everything comes with some potential downside but you don't need to treat your body like it's a forklift to be physically fit. At some point you are just putting too much stress on your spine and you are asking for trouble. I know of a Taekwondo master who had to get a hip replacement for example. It's not just the extreme cases of abusing one's body like the Ronnie Coleman case.
@@K4R3N I'm aware of them both but don't follow them. I just know that for some what starts as a healthy interest can turn into an unhealthy obsession. When the ego takes over and people are motivated by competition and appearance people do damage their bodies. Unless you are a pro football player and are making so much money that you can be set for life financially if you can just survive a few years it just doesn't make sense for the average person. Now that I think about it I read a piece in the paper about a woman from my area who was a big deal in marathon running. She ended up needing major reconstructive surgery on both of her feet.
I’d agree with the statement that “at some point you are putting too much stress on your spine” . That’s a reason for sensible programming not a reason to stop deadlifting .
Are you against other forms of physical activity where you can also injure yourself? Gymnastics and basketball, for instance? Do you tell people not to do any activities that involve jumping because of their super high injury rates? Do you tell people to stay out of swimming pools because of how common swimmers' shoulder is? Resistance training should inoculate you against injury by exposing your body to greater and greater stresses in a controlled, carefully incremented pattern. That is the idea behind having standardized exercises with standardized equipment loaded at relatively equal increments (putting 5 more lbs on the bar). Comments like yours generally ignore the injury risks associated with lack of physical activity as people age and just accepts that people fall over, get osteoporosis, etc while condemning activities that can prevent and treat those situations because it's possible to hurt yourself doing them.
6:20 for the answer
Conventional is like close grip bench, and Sumo is like medium or wide bench depending on your stance. When you put your joints (Bench:Elbows, Deadlift:Hips) further from the bar it makes it so your triceps and lower back will become the limiting factor. Obviously conventional and close grip look cooler and are more impressive pound for pound compared to the shorter ROM versions, but if you go to someone with a strong sumo and tell them "move your feel closer together so you can move less weight and have a higher chance injuring your back" they're going to think you're an idiot
If anything conventional is the same as a regular grip in the bench, and sumo is a very wide grip. This method focuses on gaining strength, not looking cool. The heaviest deadlifts ever have been pulled conventional, because they make you stronger over a longer ROM. A close grip bench has a longer ROM but doesn't make you stronger than a wide grip bench
@@Francesco-cj3oi The heaviest deadlifts ever have been done by strongmen competitors that have only been allowed to train conventional because of their ruleset, and they're all exceptionally large men. The larger your height the less benefit you'll get from sumo because the bar starts at a fixed height for everyone. Gripping/Standing wide puts more of your joints closer to the bar, so more of the force generated by your muscles can go into it without being lost to poor leverage. When you tuck your elbows in close for a close grip bench, your elbows come ahead of your shoulder and then you need to work to overcome that inefficiency. It's the same thing with conventional deadlift putting your ass behind your feet and shoulders
@@moneytimesfifteen starts at a fixed height but doesn’t end at the same height for everyone can vary with stance
Sumo!?!? That’s it, I’m unfollowing.
Um, do both?
Unless you're a competitive powerlifter, I'd prefer to be well-rounded. Sumo and conventional address different musculature, there's no advantage out in the real world to being better at one at the expense of the other.
I don't understand how this became a binary issue. They both have benefits and are not the same.
Sumo is cheating.
Aren't most Sumo wrestlers big fat guys? That can't possibly be healthy.
I'm all for exercise and I know everything comes with some potential downside but you don't need to treat your body like it's a forklift to be physically fit. At some point you are just putting too much stress on your spine and you are asking for trouble. I know of a Taekwondo master who had to get a hip replacement for example. It's not just the extreme cases of abusing one's body like the Ronnie Coleman case.
Attia and McGill just posted a video exactly on this question. Worth watching. Short answer it's a good exercise but don't kill yourself.
@@K4R3N I'm aware of them both but don't follow them. I just know that for some what starts as a healthy interest can turn into an unhealthy obsession. When the ego takes over and people are motivated by competition and appearance people do damage their bodies. Unless you are a pro football player and are making so much money that you can be set for life financially if you can just survive a few years it just doesn't make sense for the average person. Now that I think about it I read a piece in the paper about a woman from my area who was a big deal in marathon running. She ended up needing major reconstructive surgery on both of her feet.
I’d agree with the statement that “at some point you are putting too much stress on your spine” . That’s a reason for sensible programming not a reason to stop deadlifting .
Are you against other forms of physical activity where you can also injure yourself? Gymnastics and basketball, for instance? Do you tell people not to do any activities that involve jumping because of their super high injury rates? Do you tell people to stay out of swimming pools because of how common swimmers' shoulder is? Resistance training should inoculate you against injury by exposing your body to greater and greater stresses in a controlled, carefully incremented pattern. That is the idea behind having standardized exercises with standardized equipment loaded at relatively equal increments (putting 5 more lbs on the bar). Comments like yours generally ignore the injury risks associated with lack of physical activity as people age and just accepts that people fall over, get osteoporosis, etc while condemning activities that can prevent and treat those situations because it's possible to hurt yourself doing them.
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