Its so complicated how people trying to brun their self of those max/min.. with all those directions to follow up i will hate my self after 1 hour grinding here
good video in general but there's a few things I disagree with double backing is not possible if you're prepulling on a shai, you just don't have enough stamina or time except for golem 1 I don't think it's ever a good idea to force an animation other than nuke or donut, the randomness can destroy your hour current shai combo for donuts should be s+lmb, s+rmb (only if you have time), rmb, q/e, animation cancel, rmb, q/e 22000 trash is far from possible, you would need to kill 135 golems with average luck on the rolls and our current 19k record hour was 116 golems you would have to kill 2.25 golems per minute and that's just not possible with the golem s, prepulling everything and moving to the next golem
you can double back on shai, ive done it before. yes its harder but not impossible but thats also why i said in the video its better for a faster class to take over. every animation has a random dice roll to it except nuke or fire roar, donuts are random and imo are slower than prepulling swipes. my friend and i recently hit a 111 golem hour not prepulling nukes or donuts but prepulling in swipe range with room to improve beyond the current record we just rarely grind due to lack of good dps who wanna grind peak reg olun on NA. the shai combo i mentioned is my current combo that I use and i find what works best for me. ive never been a fan of doing animation cancels but if that is what works for you then thats great, keep doing it that way. my 22000 wasnt pulled out of thin air, it is something that i calculated it using the animation lengths and average time to move to next golem. its not easy but its possible and probably close to the peak trash you can make theoretically at oluns valley. 8 months ago people probably didnt think getting close to 19k was possible. i know i didnt but now were pretty close to passing it with the more ap we get
@@LoliGrime no, I can't do it on shai, I'm already at the stamina limit on multiple golems when forcing early nukes. shai is actually a very good prepuller for more than half the golems, it just get's problematic for the ones further away from each other. of course there is a possibility to go faster if you get swipes, but in reality you will get more fake nukes, or tragedies like we call them, than swipes. you're right that the trash record has improved more than most would have expected, but I don't think much of that is because of damage when I look at a vod of my first 15k blue agris, it's similar to our current 16.5 what actually made those differences were new strategies for prepulling all following numbers are blue agris, since that's what the olun discord uses 15k golem 10 (cliff) prepull 15.5k early nukes first 16k group, doing the above well with ranger prepulls my 16k doing duo prepulls with the lahn in our party depending on the golem 16.5k (19k yellow agris) prepulling golem 1
@@Resto35 maybe you cant do it but it is possible. shai can be a good prepuller yes but they are not as good as other classes since you cant agro all the extra adds and get back in time like you can with nova as an example. yes technically fake nuke has 13% more on its dice roll but the reason i think that prepulling location is faster is due to the extra rng dice rolls for the other short animation attacks which are all within 1 second of each other with no chance of nuke. on the other hand when prepulling early nukes you need to only be prepulling early nukes because once you swap to trying for donuts if you prepull early you can cause an early donut. as well with prepulling nukes early you need to be more spot on with your timing to get consistent animations faster than 6.5 seconds. obviously both methods can do quite well which is why i tried to include everything but me and my 1 dps havent had good enough dps/enough runs to try to break the record. i mostly bring up damage because that is what i see when im grinding, there is room for more damage that can be done to go much faster. what actually made a huge difference for my group was double backing the whole rotation before we started we couldnt break 13.5k blue agris then after we started to get good at it we were making 14.5k+ then our one dps quit bdo and weve only been able to do 3 hours with another guy where we got 15.5k blue agris with room to improve doing double back and prepulling in swipe range im not saying the way youre doing it is wrong, im trying to point out other possible optimizations along with yours to help maximize the potential at oluns. im just not as familiar with those other optimizations because thats not what my group does and things like that arent talked about that much, with oluns a lot of stuff is word of mouth. i was hoping this video can get more of that information out there for others to learn and improve
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Its so complicated how people trying to brun their self of those max/min.. with all those directions to follow up i will hate my self after 1 hour grinding here
good video in general but there's a few things I disagree with
double backing is not possible if you're prepulling on a shai, you just don't have enough stamina or time
except for golem 1 I don't think it's ever a good idea to force an animation other than nuke or donut, the randomness can destroy your hour
current shai combo for donuts should be s+lmb, s+rmb (only if you have time), rmb, q/e, animation cancel, rmb, q/e
22000 trash is far from possible, you would need to kill 135 golems with average luck on the rolls and our current 19k record hour was 116 golems
you would have to kill 2.25 golems per minute and that's just not possible with the golem s, prepulling everything and moving to the next golem
you can double back on shai, ive done it before. yes its harder but not impossible but thats also why i said in the video its better for a faster class to take over. every animation has a random dice roll to it except nuke or fire roar, donuts are random and imo are slower than prepulling swipes. my friend and i recently hit a 111 golem hour not prepulling nukes or donuts but prepulling in swipe range with room to improve beyond the current record we just rarely grind due to lack of good dps who wanna grind peak reg olun on NA. the shai combo i mentioned is my current combo that I use and i find what works best for me. ive never been a fan of doing animation cancels but if that is what works for you then thats great, keep doing it that way. my 22000 wasnt pulled out of thin air, it is something that i calculated it using the animation lengths and average time to move to next golem. its not easy but its possible and probably close to the peak trash you can make theoretically at oluns valley. 8 months ago people probably didnt think getting close to 19k was possible. i know i didnt but now were pretty close to passing it with the more ap we get
@@LoliGrime no, I can't do it on shai, I'm already at the stamina limit on multiple golems when forcing early nukes. shai is actually a very good prepuller for more than half the golems, it just get's problematic for the ones further away from each other.
of course there is a possibility to go faster if you get swipes, but in reality you will get more fake nukes, or tragedies like we call them, than swipes.
you're right that the trash record has improved more than most would have expected, but I don't think much of that is because of damage
when I look at a vod of my first 15k blue agris, it's similar to our current 16.5
what actually made those differences were new strategies for prepulling
all following numbers are blue agris, since that's what the olun discord uses
15k golem 10 (cliff) prepull
15.5k early nukes
first 16k group, doing the above well with ranger prepulls
my 16k doing duo prepulls with the lahn in our party depending on the golem
16.5k (19k yellow agris) prepulling golem 1
@@Resto35 maybe you cant do it but it is possible. shai can be a good prepuller yes but they are not as good as other classes since you cant agro all the extra adds and get back in time like you can with nova as an example.
yes technically fake nuke has 13% more on its dice roll but the reason i think that prepulling location is faster is due to the extra rng dice rolls for the other short animation attacks which are all within 1 second of each other with no chance of nuke. on the other hand when prepulling early nukes you need to only be prepulling early nukes because once you swap to trying for donuts if you prepull early you can cause an early donut. as well with prepulling nukes early you need to be more spot on with your timing to get consistent animations faster than 6.5 seconds. obviously both methods can do quite well which is why i tried to include everything but me and my 1 dps havent had good enough dps/enough runs to try to break the record. i mostly bring up damage because that is what i see when im grinding, there is room for more damage that can be done to go much faster.
what actually made a huge difference for my group was double backing the whole rotation before we started we couldnt break 13.5k blue agris then after we started to get good at it we were making 14.5k+ then our one dps quit bdo and weve only been able to do 3 hours with another guy where we got 15.5k blue agris with room to improve doing double back and prepulling in swipe range
im not saying the way youre doing it is wrong, im trying to point out other possible optimizations along with yours to help maximize the potential at oluns. im just not as familiar with those other optimizations because thats not what my group does and things like that arent talked about that much, with oluns a lot of stuff is word of mouth. i was hoping this video can get more of that information out there for others to learn and improve