Thank you so much for this biblical perspective. I believe this will help us to press together and become one in Christ. At times we are zealous like Peter but don’t know our own hearts. Now is the time to reflect on our own hearts and allow God to work revival and reformation in our own lives. And to pray for our church.
A Line of Demarcation.--A deep and thorough work of reform is needed in the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The world is not to be allowed to corrupt the principles of God's commandment-keeping people. Believers are to exert an influence that bears witness to the power of heavenly principles. Those who unite with the church must give evidence of a change of principle. Unless this is done, unless the line of demarcation between the church and the world is carefully preserved, assimilation to the world will be the result. {2MCP 559.3} Through association with the world our institutions will become unsubstantial, unreliable; because these worldly elements, introduced and placed in positions of trust, are looked up to as teachers to be respected in their educating, directing, and official position, and they are sure to be worked upon by the spirit and power of darkness; so that the demarcation becomes not distinguished between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not. The parable is given by Jesus Christ in regard to the field in which it was supposed had been sown pure wheat, but the entrusted ones look upon the field with disappointment, and inquire, "Didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?" The master of the vineyard answers, "An enemy hath done this." {TM 265.2}
"And now, because ye have done all these works, saith the Lord, and I spake unto you, rising up early and speaking, but ye heard not; and I called you, but ye answered not; therefore will I do unto this house, which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh. And I will cast you out of my sight, as I have cast out all your brethren, even the whole seed of Ephraim." {RH, August 1, 1893 par. 6} Of those who boast of their light and yet fail to walk in it Christ says, "But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you. And thou, Capernaum [Seventh-day Adventists, who have had great light], which art exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day."--RH Aug. 1, 1893. [THE BRACKETED COMMENTS ARE BY ELLEN WHITE.] {LDE 48.2}
Rev 14:12: Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Notice it says the saints that are keeping the commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus not the organization that holds a title yet goes contrary to the word of God. Should we be organized? Yes. Should we follow after apostasy and support it with our tithes just bc it calls itself the organized body of people? Especially after Matt 18 has been followed? Even Jesus left the organized body when he said Matt 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. The church follows Jesus just like when he moved from the Holy to the Most Holy Place. As sheep we should be following him wherever he goeth.
You got it. True Christians follow Christ and His Word not an institution or professed church that blatantly disregards the plain "Thus saith the Lord". This is what the Holy Scripture teaches which must be our rule of faith and practice.
If we continue to start new organizations, we will likely continue to have apostacy. In the final days, a new organization is not the answer to the apostacy, the shaking is. That is, shake them out, even if fifty is left. Those fifty with greater power than that which fell on the day of Pentecost, will reach present known world.
There was a movement separate from the organized body during the time of the Pentecost and those are the ones who did the work the jews had neglected. Same as today, the adventist leaders have disregarded the testimonies and want to run the church as they please. Well God will not be mocked. He will by pass them.
The organization is not the church. That’s the problem we’re having. The organization is placed before a Thus Saith the Lord. God said the Church will never be Babylon and that’s true. The organization of SDA churches itself is just that an organized body that says they believe the truth. But when they start implementing things aside of a Thus saith the Lord do you stay seeing the apostasy? Do you support it with your tithe in agreement? What happened to Achan when he took the a cursed thing from the camp? Following our Lord Jesus Christ makes us a church and body of believers not a church roster. May God helps us all truly! Amen God wants us all to be saved but we have to make sure we follow his word and not the dictates of men. God bless!
The quote you are discussing, the “great cathedral,” is best understood in the context of the entire letter. I would encourage all to read the whole letter before trying to interpret this quote.
A Line of Demarcation.--A deep and thorough work of reform is needed in the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The world is not to be allowed to corrupt the principles of God's commandment-keeping people. Believers are to exert an influence that bears witness to the power of heavenly principles. Those who unite with the church must give evidence of a change of principle. Unless this is done, unless the line of demarcation between the church and the world is carefully preserved, assimilation to the world will be the result. {2MCP 559.3} Through association with the world our institutions will become unsubstantial, unreliable; because these worldly elements, introduced and placed in positions of trust, are looked up to as teachers to be respected in their educating, directing, and official position, and they are sure to be worked upon by the spirit and power of darkness; so that the demarcation becomes not distinguished between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not. The parable is given by Jesus Christ in regard to the field in which it was supposed had been sown pure wheat, but the entrusted ones look upon the field with disappointment, and inquire, "Didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?" The master of the vineyard answers, "An enemy hath done this." {TM 265.2}
Even Christ, who was the Son of God, subjected Himself to a home organization that lost sight of Jesus for three days; implied that Jesus was in the wrong, and the cause of their distress!
And after the church rejected him he started a new one just like he will do before he returns I call it the Church of the first born or the Church of the 144,000. What say you?@@redriveroutpost
A Line of Demarcation.--A deep and thorough work of reform is needed in the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The world is not to be allowed to corrupt the principles of God's commandment-keeping people. Believers are to exert an influence that bears witness to the power of heavenly principles. Those who unite with the church must give evidence of a change of principle. Unless this is done, unless the line of demarcation between the church and the world is carefully preserved, assimilation to the world will be the result. {2MCP 559.3} Through association with the world our institutions will become unsubstantial, unreliable; because these worldly elements, introduced and placed in positions of trust, are looked up to as teachers to be respected in their educating, directing, and official position, and they are sure to be worked upon by the spirit and power of darkness; so that the demarcation becomes not distinguished between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not. The parable is given by Jesus Christ in regard to the field in which it was supposed had been sown pure wheat, but the entrusted ones look upon the field with disappointment, and inquire, "Didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?" The master of the vineyard answers, "An enemy hath done this." {TM 265.2}
What i have been observing,just like the bible,there are much quotes that is geared at the present ers objectives.I think we need to treat the SOP quotes ,just as our pioneers treated the bible..line upon line, precepts upon precepts,here are little,there are little.,,,,get all the SOP quotes that deals with the subject matter at hand,and then deliberate on them...Too many persons on TH-cam having their own definition and understanding of the EGWHITE quotes,i wish,which is impossible,that EGWHITE would be alive to say what she really mean about her writtings.we the viewers/SDA are confused about all the different interpretations of the SOP.
If you want to preach about Laodicea, then give the Laodicean message! If you do, you will be ousted. If you are not ousted, then you are not giving the Laodicean message. The shaking is happening, and those that are being shaken out are remaining in the apostate SDA Church.
May I ask, what is your epistemological grounding for the notion that delivering the Laodicean message inevitably leads to removal from one’s position? I would like to understand _how_ you arrived at that conclusion. On what basis do you assert that the test of whether one is preaching the Laodicean message is contingent upon being ousted? Additionally, could you please clarify your claim that those being “shaken out” are actually the ones who _remain_ in the SDA Church?
@@StraightTestimony88 It's pretty simple. Whenever there has been a controversy, those who stand for the right are in the minority remain and reorganize, because darkness hates light and does not want its sins exposed. That has been happening in Adventism ever since WWI, and it has happened repeatedly in the pre-Adventist past, all the way back to Judah.
@@BrightBeamsMission For clarification, because someone can argue that individuals have preached the Laodicean message and remained, how do you define the message to the Laodiceans?
"And now, because ye have done all these works, saith the Lord, and I spake unto you, rising up early and speaking, but ye heard not; and I called you, but ye answered not; therefore will I do unto this house, which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh. And I will cast you out of my sight, as I have cast out all your brethren, even the whole seed of Ephraim." {RH, August 1, 1893 par. 6} Of those who boast of their light and yet fail to walk in it Christ says, "But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you. And thou, Capernaum [Seventh-day Adventists, who have had great light], which art exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day."--RH Aug. 1, 1893. [THE BRACKETED COMMENTS ARE BY ELLEN WHITE.] {LDE 48.2}
I think it was super clear. Very thankful for them addressing and clarifying the words of Ellen White & that she does not support self-supporting churches. She does support self-supporting ministries. I think in many cases it’s hard for people to hear it, because sadly they are listening to the ministers of those self-supporting churches. I’m not saying you, but many are listening to these independent ministers who twist the messenger’s counsel.
Thank you so much for this biblical perspective. I believe this will help us to press together and become one in Christ. At times we are zealous like Peter but don’t know our own hearts. Now is the time to reflect on our own hearts and allow God to work revival and reformation in our own lives. And to pray for our church.
A Line of Demarcation.--A deep and thorough work of reform is needed in the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The world is not to be allowed to corrupt the principles of God's commandment-keeping people. Believers are to exert an influence that bears witness to the power of heavenly principles. Those who unite with the church must give evidence of a change of principle. Unless this is done, unless the line of demarcation between the church and the world is carefully preserved, assimilation to the world will be the result. {2MCP 559.3} Through association with the world our institutions will become unsubstantial, unreliable; because these worldly elements, introduced and placed in positions of trust, are looked up to as teachers to be respected in their educating, directing, and official position, and they are sure to be worked upon by the spirit and power of darkness; so that the demarcation becomes not distinguished between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not. The parable is given by Jesus Christ in regard to the field in which it was supposed had been sown pure wheat, but the entrusted ones look upon the field with disappointment, and inquire, "Didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?" The master of the vineyard answers, "An enemy hath done this." {TM 265.2}
A very clear and powerpacked message!
So grateful for your healing Ramone! God has anointed you for the work.
Amen! Praise God He is good!
"And now, because ye have done all these works, saith the Lord, and I spake unto you, rising up early and speaking, but ye heard not; and I called you, but ye answered not; therefore will I do unto this house, which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh. And I will cast you out of my sight, as I have cast out all your brethren, even the whole seed of Ephraim." {RH, August 1, 1893 par. 6}
Of those who boast of their light and yet fail to walk in it Christ says, "But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you. And thou, Capernaum [Seventh-day Adventists, who have had great light], which art exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day."--RH Aug. 1, 1893. [THE BRACKETED COMMENTS ARE BY ELLEN WHITE.] {LDE 48.2}
Thankyou brothers in christ jesus, very much appreciated 🙏
Just jumped in, I'm all ears from across the pond
Winning souls
Amen praise the Lord the devils attacking his faithful servant, but God restored them n save them for their work is not done.God you guys more n more
Rev 14:12: Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Notice it says the saints that are keeping the commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus not the organization that holds a title yet goes contrary to the word of God. Should we be organized? Yes. Should we follow after apostasy and support it with our tithes just bc it calls itself the organized body of people? Especially after Matt 18 has been followed? Even Jesus left the organized body when he said
Matt 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. The church follows Jesus just like when he moved from the Holy to the Most Holy Place. As sheep we should be following him wherever he goeth.
You got it. True Christians follow Christ and His Word not an institution or professed church that blatantly disregards the plain "Thus saith the Lord". This is what the Holy Scripture teaches which must be our rule of faith and practice.
If we continue to start new organizations, we will likely continue to have apostacy. In the final days, a new organization is not the answer to the apostacy, the shaking is. That is, shake them out, even if fifty is left. Those fifty with greater power than that which fell on the day of Pentecost, will reach present known world.
There was a movement separate from the organized body during the time of the Pentecost and those are the ones who did the work the jews had neglected. Same as today, the adventist leaders have disregarded the testimonies and want to run the church as they please. Well God will not be mocked. He will by pass them.
The SDA Church is the new organization. Those that remain in it are those who are being shaken out.
@calvinhowell7360 our church became a new organization after Ellen white death
The organization is not the church. That’s the problem we’re having. The organization is placed before a Thus Saith the Lord. God said the Church will never be Babylon and that’s true. The organization of SDA churches itself is just that an organized body that says they believe the truth. But when they start implementing things aside of a Thus saith the Lord do you stay seeing the apostasy? Do you support it with your tithe in agreement? What happened to Achan when he took the a cursed thing from the camp? Following our Lord Jesus Christ makes us a church and body of believers not a church roster. May God helps us all truly! Amen God wants us all to be saved but we have to make sure we follow his word and not the dictates of men. God bless!
What’s your opinion about the procession dream in 1:477-478??
The quote you are discussing, the “great cathedral,” is best understood in the context of the entire letter. I would encourage all to read the whole letter before trying to interpret this quote.
A Line of Demarcation.--A deep and thorough work of reform is needed in the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The world is not to be allowed to corrupt the principles of God's commandment-keeping people. Believers are to exert an influence that bears witness to the power of heavenly principles. Those who unite with the church must give evidence of a change of principle. Unless this is done, unless the line of demarcation between the church and the world is carefully preserved, assimilation to the world will be the result. {2MCP 559.3} Through association with the world our institutions will become unsubstantial, unreliable; because these worldly elements, introduced and placed in positions of trust, are looked up to as teachers to be respected in their educating, directing, and official position, and they are sure to be worked upon by the spirit and power of darkness; so that the demarcation becomes not distinguished between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not. The parable is given by Jesus Christ in regard to the field in which it was supposed had been sown pure wheat, but the entrusted ones look upon the field with disappointment, and inquire, "Didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?" The master of the vineyard answers, "An enemy hath done this." {TM 265.2}
Even Christ, who was the Son of God, subjected Himself to a home organization that lost sight of Jesus for three days; implied that Jesus was in the wrong, and the cause of their distress!
The imperfect home organization that Jesus subjected Himself to, He was a continual blessing!
Didn't Jesus have a self supporting ministry or church?
Self-Supporting Ministry
You guys are confused me? @@redriveroutpost
And after the church rejected him he started a new one just like he will do before he returns I call it the Church of the first born or the Church of the 144,000. What say you?@@redriveroutpost
@@jaimienommik1578 would you like to share what is confusing you?
Yes, Ellen white says he and the reformers came out.
th-cam.com/users/liveHzCkNF_UywY?si=jIZUBo8G9NAOnn7l
A Line of Demarcation.--A deep and thorough work of reform is needed in the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The world is not to be allowed to corrupt the principles of God's commandment-keeping people. Believers are to exert an influence that bears witness to the power of heavenly principles. Those who unite with the church must give evidence of a change of principle. Unless this is done, unless the line of demarcation between the church and the world is carefully preserved, assimilation to the world will be the result. {2MCP 559.3} Through association with the world our institutions will become unsubstantial, unreliable; because these worldly elements, introduced and placed in positions of trust, are looked up to as teachers to be respected in their educating, directing, and official position, and they are sure to be worked upon by the spirit and power of darkness; so that the demarcation becomes not distinguished between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not. The parable is given by Jesus Christ in regard to the field in which it was supposed had been sown pure wheat, but the entrusted ones look upon the field with disappointment, and inquire, "Didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?" The master of the vineyard answers, "An enemy hath done this." {TM 265.2}
What i have been observing,just like the bible,there are much quotes that is geared at the present ers objectives.I think we need to treat the SOP quotes ,just as our pioneers treated the bible..line upon line, precepts upon precepts,here are little,there are little.,,,,get all the SOP quotes that deals with the subject matter at hand,and then deliberate on them...Too many persons on TH-cam having their own definition and understanding of the EGWHITE quotes,i wish,which is impossible,that EGWHITE would be alive to say what she really mean about her writtings.we the viewers/SDA are confused about all the different interpretations of the SOP.
If you want to preach about Laodicea, then give the Laodicean message! If you do, you will be ousted. If you are not ousted, then you are not giving the Laodicean message. The shaking is happening, and those that are being shaken out are remaining in the apostate SDA Church.
May I ask, what is your epistemological grounding for the notion that delivering the Laodicean message inevitably leads to removal from one’s position? I would like to understand _how_ you arrived at that conclusion. On what basis do you assert that the test of whether one is preaching the Laodicean message is contingent upon being ousted?
Additionally, could you please clarify your claim that those being “shaken out” are actually the ones who _remain_ in the SDA Church?
@@StraightTestimony88 It's pretty simple. Whenever there has been a controversy, those who stand for the right are in the minority remain and reorganize, because darkness hates light and does not want its sins exposed. That has been happening in Adventism ever since WWI, and it has happened repeatedly in the pre-Adventist past, all the way back to Judah.
@@BrightBeamsMission For clarification, because someone can argue that individuals have preached the Laodicean message and remained, how do you define the message to the Laodiceans?
"And now, because ye have done all these works, saith the Lord, and I spake unto you, rising up early and speaking, but ye heard not; and I called you, but ye answered not; therefore will I do unto this house, which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh. And I will cast you out of my sight, as I have cast out all your brethren, even the whole seed of Ephraim." {RH, August 1, 1893 par. 6}
Of those who boast of their light and yet fail to walk in it Christ says, "But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you. And thou, Capernaum [Seventh-day Adventists, who have had great light], which art exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day."--RH Aug. 1, 1893. [THE BRACKETED COMMENTS ARE BY ELLEN WHITE.] {LDE 48.2}
@@StraightTestimony88 Pointing out the sins in Adventism, inviting repentance.
I'm so confused about what you guys are talking about every time I watch your video I am more confused.😢😢😢😢
That's because it's confusion. Preaching a suposedly straight message, but then saying to stay with the apostasy.
@BrightBeamsMission because they are working for GC.
Would you like to share what you are confused about?
Come out and make a home church
I think it was super clear. Very thankful for them addressing and clarifying the words of Ellen White & that she does not support self-supporting churches. She does support self-supporting ministries. I think in many cases it’s hard for people to hear it, because sadly they are listening to the ministers of those self-supporting churches. I’m not saying you, but many are listening to these independent ministers who twist the messenger’s counsel.