Veritext and US Legal Lied to the Public About Stenographer Shortage
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- Chris@Stenonymous.com
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Court Reporting Industry Outlook 2013-2014 Forecasting Shortage
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The Testifying While Black 2019 Pilot Study 1 showed regular people transcribe the AAVE dialect at about half the accuracy of stenographers.
The Racial Disparities in Automatic Speech Recognition 2020 study showed automatic speech recognition had an accuracy rating of 25 to 80% dependent on who was speaking. This is compared to court reporter certification of 95% and real-world levels of 99% or greater.
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Digital Court Reporting proponents such as Verbit do not follow the expected industry standards:
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Previous publications explaining the destruction of Stenotrain and Peter Giammanco's e-mail:
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Publication explaining the disparity in treatment which helped drive stenographers out of the field:
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I’ve covered court deposition proceedings for 6 years. I’ve covered southern and Northern California and the shortage for in person coverage is absolutely true! I can’t speak for the east coast agencies but in the west coast we DO NOT utilize digital reporters!
They’re definitely using digital reporters out there on the West Coast. They may not be allowed to, but they are. But I appreciate your comment.
I think stated most accurately, there is a shortage, but it has been exaggerated and exacerbated by the Speech-to-Text Institute, which US Legal and Veritext were a part of.
My understanding of law is you can’t get together with your competitors and publish false information to manipulate a market. That’s what I’m alleging has been done here and what these multimillion dollar corporations have allowed me to allege without a peep for over 2 years.
Nothing surprises me in this field.
Thank you for this information! Where did you get the numbers about how many reporters we need per year?
I write about those numbers in the link in the description:
stenonymous.com/2021/10/23/veritext-and-us-legal-lied-to-the-public-about-stenographer-shortage/
I started to take the project stenography course and stopped when I spoke to ppl saying it took 7 yrs to make $35k when they are saying in the program we could start at a min. $50 hr. Just trying to sell machines.
I’m not sure I fully understand. They told you seven years to make $35k? Who did this?
Our field is far from perfect but there are forces at work trying to make it look worse than it is.
@Ellie80681 No way it takes any time to make money once you pass the State exam. I make over six figure income. Digital reporting is crap.
Youre not wrong. Veritext says this during recruitment. As a steno student myself for the last two years, I thought that statement they made was false. But I want to start making decent money while I try to finish my steno by doing digital reporting.
You gotta do what you gotta do to make money! But be very careful that they don’t box you into a low-pay position. On my New York Shortage Squeeze article I provided hourly conversions for digitals and transcribers. It gives you an idea of the kind of pay disparity they’re looking at.
stenonymous.com/2022/06/03/new-yorks-shortage-squeeze/amp/
So you're saying that digital reporting is a waste of money because it doesn't give you a job in the actual courtroom where the big bucks are? I'm glad you're saying this now because i was looking at course that's almost $2000. Not a lot of money but it is to me especially if it's not going to yield the results that i want or translate into a well paying job.
Yes, in some jurisdictions this is true. In some jurisdictions digital reporters are used in court. The best thing to do is to talk to the court reporters association in your state or ask real court reporters using the info found on NCRA PRO Link. But in my home state of New York, the big bucks court jobs have always been stenographers. I've had digitals tell me they were told we're obsolete. Interesting...the good pay job is obsolete? Very interesting.
Can you make a video explaining the difference between court reporters and digital court reporters?
I can try to make something. The easy difference is that stenographers take down what’s being said on a stenotype and their computer assisted translation transcribes it in realtime. Digital reporting is more about recording it and transcribing it later or having someone else transcribe it.
Transcription is a laborious process, so the more you rely on audio recording, the longer transcription takes - since digital is entirely relying on audio, it tends to be less efficient.
Are you saying Veritext Legal is a scam?
@@aquariusguard no, not at all. Veritext is a legit company and one of the larger ones in my industry. My general points are that our stenographer shortage is being exaggerated for the purpose of selling another service, digital court reporting.
US Legal is another large company.
They’re both using the same generic excuses of not being able to find stenographers, but I think this is a case of them simply not wanting to pay stenographers.
Here in New York stenographers are working 30 years behind inflation. It’s not so much that young people don’t want to get into stenography, it’s that companies do not want to pay.
So it’s not a scam, but it’s a scummy situation.
Thank you for the clarification. If they do not want to pay stenographers proper rates, then I can understand why young people would prefer the alternative.
@@aquariusguard we will certainly see if it happens that way. I believe we can get to a place where the pay is good for all reporters across the board.
I do see your concern and there is one school that teaches all disciplines and she is not professional but others are teaching to be highly regarded.
I am disappointed to hear this. I have been doing the Veritext course. I passed the remote part, but not the in-person part, as I cannot get the audio levels to stay in the desired number ranges -12 to -6. I get it over or under. UGH.
Thank for sharing with me! I’m sorry to hear that’s happening. In my view, they’re pushing people towards digital reporting under the guise that it is the future, meanwhile there’s an entire little culture and society of stenographers dedicated to this stuff.
A bunch of companies got behind the Speech-to-Text Institute and Veritext was one of them, but I think it just got sued, so maybe a lot of the lies about the court reporting field will start to die down.
Good luck!
@@ChristopherDayStenonymous I appreciate your response. Thank you very much!
Veritext also claims they transcribed without making an audio recording which means litigators are expected to rely on the transcriber real time accuracy.
Very good point. If you suspect a stenographer has gotten it wrong, you can have another stenographer review their stenographic notes. Generally we can tell if stuff has been filled in from a source other than the stenographic notes.
@@ChristopherDayStenonymous I cc ed you on the email correspondence with veritext. I doubt they will let me see the stenographic notes but I will ask.
@@ChristopherDayStenonymous veritext is refusing without a court order.
The discrepancy is key to the attorney trying to avoid a perjury complaint we would file with attorney grievance.
@@HouseOod I'm not surprised. I've written a lot about the company. Some of the people that work there are great, but the company as a whole has no problem with lying to court reporters and the general public.