William C. Lee , the general that created the 101st airborne trained and observed the smokejumpers to create what is now the modern US airborne paratrooper , the smokejumpers trained in the soviet union where the first paratroopers in the world were created and deployed.
This was my high school English teachers summer job. The guy was a unit and was also one of the wrestling coaches. He conditioned the hell out of them and boy did we have a good team.
The problem is Devil runs the world. He is lier and murderer. This is the reason why liers and murderers feel good while righteous persons are persecuted. This is the reason why Hitler got the power, but Christ was executed as "blasphemer" and "rioter" by denunciation of clergy. That's why we've got the Gospel about the God's kingdom. Jehovah would put everything in order. The dead will be resurected and we'll meet our loved ones again! :-)
@@AlexejSvirid Thankfully nobody's gonna think you're smart enough to listen to if you can't even spell "liar." Shame god wasn't able to impart literacy to you, god's child.
Thanks for reaching out to us. These are two separate cards, a red card is for personnel going to the fire and the USFS/OAS card for the aircraft delivering them. Hope that helps.
Just wondering why this fire did not have a helitac crew or crews in conjunction with fixed wing SEAT's or LAT'S or even various helicopters? Maybe they do not have these resources in the operational area. That being said Smokejumpers do awesome work.
interesting. may be a dumb question but how do they fight the fire once they land? I'm assuming they are extremely well trained in dry firefighting, but what's the general plan of attack once they land?
Can someone please explain what the point of having them skydive in is? They obviously aren’t going to be putting the fire out with water or anything. Is the idea to get these guys to the site as soon as they see smoke so they can start cutting breaks to try to limit the spread? Seems like the handful of guys wouldn’t be able to cut down enough brush/trees to make a difference but I’m sure there’s something i’m missing.
In such remote areas, you can't necessarily get all that gear out on wheels and it's too much time and effort on foot. You can already see that they have a staging area down there, I would assume they drop 3 guys at a time until they have a full hotshot squad ready to go down and start establishing fire lines.
There needs to be a docuseries on these guys. Fighting against the natural element's is more intriguing than watching meatheads glorify war. Think of the fitness they would need, changes in weather, the ability to think quick and the motivation to succeed.
1 guy can get in on a dirt bike or horse fast without gear. Normal fire crews would not be able to get there with there equipment. Also it may have been picked from maps or satellite and not physically marked.
No one drives in. The folks on the ground are other smokejumpers that exited the plane on prior passes. Smokejumpers don’t need a marked or approved LZ, they just pick a suitable spot from the air when the plane gets on scene.
I believe the reasons would be: - Fixed winged aircraft can typically travel faster and further without the need to refuel. Normally they can also carry more equipment + personnel. - There may not have been a suitable landing area, where these guys could now cut a spot for the helicopters to shuttle in resources and additional help. From what I've read theres been around 7 fatal helicopter crashes (Only in transport mode) compared to a handful of fatalities with jumps. (Not to downplay injuries or fatalities by jumpers & my numbers here are probably outdated as that information is from a few years ago)
They gather up all their jump gear into a safe spot, and go to work on the fire with the handtools. After they're all done, the pack it up into a giant duffle bag looking backpack and hump it out to the nearest road for pickup. If they're jumping wilderness, that could be several miles over really rough terrain, and the packout weight can be over 100 lbs. It's the least glamorous part of the job. I applied once, couldn't make the training date, and it was probably a good decision.
Not exactly. The suits are for worse case Ontario. They jump into secure areas, if they f up the jump the suit is there to help them. If you watch they have a very clear landing zone. With boots on the ground. They aint jumping into 1950's wilderness like they did back then. They're jumping into people's arms mostly.. and if there's people there then they beat you to the fire. The whole point to smoke jumpers is to be first on the ground to help contain the fire... not being someone they can drive up to the location who can walk in. Especially with all the extra cost. So... smoke jumpers are suited up to land in trees with helmets and masks. Not be random guys falling out a plane and landing in a specific LZ. "Ya see the red smoke?, ya that's where you need to land cuz there's people there waiting for you" that makes 0 sense at all.
For people who think they jumped in to a 'safe' zone.... that grass/brush is waist high. That's going to burn with the right conditions, pretty damn high.... They have no water, no heavy machinery and it's going to be tens of to minutes away depending on actual range from the front conditions etc. Damn. 42, crashed my bike back in the day and happy to have 3000l on a truck and protective stuff around me. Go for it lads, lets all of us stay safe. Damn!
It's about 10 miles NW of Redmesa on tribal land just outside Mesa Verde National Park. The closest significant dirt road looks to be about 4 miles, and all dual track high 4x4 after that. It's not that they can't get equipment out there, but with smoke jumpers it's a matter of minutes versus hours. Sometimes they can get down there and get it out while it's still very small. Sometimes not. Looks like it ultimately grew to at least 840 acres (more than a square mile).
They carry tools to cut and clear a fire break to remove fuel in front of the fires path. When the fire burns its way to the fire break it goes out due to a lack of fuel.
No. They don't jump with those dog crap chutes they make the Army use. They use ram air parachutes you can actually steer with so you don't land in the middle of a fire, on power lines, get impaled by tree branches, break bones on jagged rocks or uneven terrain, land directly in front of an enemy machine gun nest, etc. Everyone outside of the military doesn't use static line chutes because they understand how unnecessarily dangerous and difficult they are to use.
I’m not hating on smoke jumpers, I would actually love to become one. In this situation however, why wouldn’t you land a rotary wing aircraft or two with the same sized team and equipment? I’d assume that would be even quicker. You wouldn’t have to get jumpers jocked up, jump brief, or get as much gear ready. Just fuel the birds, pack up your gear and go.
Helos are slower than airplanes, they carry less personnel and equipment, and are more expensive to operate. Not sure exactly where this fire took place but looks a decent ways away from an airport. If response time was a priority using jumpers was the way to. Also, most Jumpers are seasoned firefighters with quals to run fires. That may be another reason.
Yes it would be easier and cheaper, but it would take significantly longer, allowing that fire to grow to be a much bigger size. Then the price of the containment would ultimately be more costly. These guys get in there quick to help prevent that fire from growing while the rest of the guys probably drive in on the road
@@randomradon not actually true, i have my airfield red card, smokejumpers are a last case scenario because they take so long to prep and ready (you're talking flight plans, loading up, gearing up, etc.).
@@randomradon how much equipment (and water) can these guys bring? That is what I thought about. Like a fire extinguisher or two per person doesn't seem like it would do much to a forest fire.
They jump to where the fire is burning towards so they have time to cut a fire break. They didn't land there to throw dirt on an already active square mile sized fire lol
@@RockNRuen Now What would you know ABOUT ME and you seem to not understand the POST !!! Jumping FOR NO REASON is a inherent danger to you EVERY TIME YOU JUMP !!! When there is a CLEAR ABILITY to be fought from the GROUND it seems a WASTE OF MY TAX MONEY
It's like combining being a paratrooper with being a firefighter. What a job!
William C. Lee , the general that created the 101st airborne trained and observed the smokejumpers to create what is now the modern US airborne paratrooper , the smokejumpers trained in the soviet union where the first paratroopers in the world were created and deployed.
This was my high school English teachers summer job. The guy was a unit and was also one of the wrestling coaches. He conditioned the hell out of them and boy did we have a good team.
Amazing
I know exactly who you are talking about lol
My high school teacher was a Aero Union P3 tanker pilot.
What state were you in? My buddy was a sj and a state champ wrestling. We're from the wy Co area
Poor guy made a career out of getting underpaid and screwed by the government 😢
Excellent video! God bless our smoke jumpers and firefighters.
they don't need god's help bro
The problem is Devil runs the world. He is lier and murderer. This is the reason why liers and murderers feel good while righteous persons are persecuted. This is the reason why Hitler got the power, but Christ was executed as "blasphemer" and "rioter" by denunciation of clergy.
That's why we've got the Gospel about the God's kingdom. Jehovah would put everything in order. The dead will be resurected and we'll meet our loved ones again! :-)
@@AlexejSvirid Thankfully nobody's gonna think you're smart enough to listen to if you can't even spell "liar." Shame god wasn't able to impart literacy to you, god's child.
@@jkhsdjkhfjkhh3we all do
@@AlexejSvirid Well, that explains the Oakland Athletics, then.
this group of smoke jumpers saved my house in 2020
hell yeah
did you live in flynt
THANK YOU!! For your service AND the look into your work
Smokejumpers are total badasses!! Thanks to all the fire fighter heroes!
Amen and Amen!!
not really
God Bless you boys for the work you do for us!
A very random question; for contract aircraft, isn't a USFS inspection, or DOI Office of Aviation Services card, in addition to the Red Card?
Thanks for reaching out to us. These are two separate cards, a red card is for personnel going to the fire and the USFS/OAS card for the aircraft delivering them. Hope that helps.
@@BLMNIFC Sorry; my phone decided to cut off the rest of my message, meaning to ask if both are required, which you answered. Thank you.
Thank you for your service!!!
Thanks for the ride. Be safe
Just wondering why this fire did not have a helitac crew or crews in conjunction with fixed wing SEAT's or LAT'S or even various helicopters? Maybe they do not have these resources in the operational area. That being said Smokejumpers do awesome work.
They make it look so easy. Know that it is a very hard job, keep up the good work and fight. Be careful and safe out there.
These guys are so fucking cool.
Paratrooper firefighters. Like dude. Thats awesome. If i was one, id never shut up about it
Thank you for your service!! Amazing!!
interesting. may be a dumb question but how do they fight the fire once they land? I'm assuming they are extremely well trained in dry firefighting, but what's the general plan of attack once they land?
so I think we can all agree this has to be one of the most bad ass jobs in the world right?
Thanks for the ride.
Can someone please explain what the point of having them skydive in is? They obviously aren’t going to be putting the fire out with water or anything. Is the idea to get these guys to the site as soon as they see smoke so they can start cutting breaks to try to limit the spread? Seems like the handful of guys wouldn’t be able to cut down enough brush/trees to make a difference but I’m sure there’s something i’m missing.
In such remote areas, you can't necessarily get all that gear out on wheels and it's too much time and effort on foot. You can already see that they have a staging area down there, I would assume they drop 3 guys at a time until they have a full hotshot squad ready to go down and start establishing fire lines.
Bad ass but was that road closed? If so than why not drive in?
Firefighter not close.
Firetruck drive slow.
Plane fly fast. Plane fly straight line.
Fire spread fast. Need plane
Have you never been about to do something, stopped and then thought to yourself….yeah…but doing it this way would be way cooler?
That’s not a road near the fire. It’s a trail. And it clearly is too far to walk with their gear. Ergo the drop zone
Ive never parachuted before but Ive rappelled out of choppers and that opening part good my heartrate going, holy sh1et😅
Great job guys! Nice landing.
There needs to be a docuseries on these guys. Fighting against the natural element's is more intriguing than watching meatheads glorify war. Think of the fitness they would need, changes in weather, the ability to think quick and the motivation to succeed.
Honest question....why take the risk of a jump when it allears that there are roads in to this area?
It takes alot more time to get into those areas, even with roads.
What do they do when they get to the fire? Dump bottled water on it?
Question. Guy drove in and marked the DZ. Whats the point of jumping in?
It looks cooler
1 guy can get in on a dirt bike or horse fast without gear. Normal fire crews would not be able to get there with there equipment. Also it may have been picked from maps or satellite and not physically marked.
How do you know he drove in?
Where did you see a vehicle?
No one drives in. The folks on the ground are other smokejumpers that exited the plane on prior passes. Smokejumpers don’t need a marked or approved LZ, they just pick a suitable spot from the air when the plane gets on scene.
Thank you boys!
Amazing work. Thank you!
No worries in judging the wind direction at ground level.
Who set up the LZ? And why did you guys not just ride in with them?
Problaby some guys that jumped on the first pass.
You don't need to set up an DZ when you jump with steerable parachutes.
What a Rush !!!! Thank you
Why did they not drive in on one of the 3 visible roads?
Helicopters land and deploy. Military does it. Why jump? Just asking
I believe the reasons would be:
- Fixed winged aircraft can typically travel faster and further without the need to refuel. Normally they can also carry more equipment + personnel.
- There may not have been a suitable landing area, where these guys could now cut a spot for the helicopters to shuttle in resources and additional help.
From what I've read theres been around 7 fatal helicopter crashes (Only in transport mode) compared to a handful of fatalities with jumps. (Not to downplay injuries or fatalities by jumpers & my numbers here are probably outdated as that information is from a few years ago)
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I don’t understand, but there’s clearly a road that you can see why do smoke jumping is it just because of time?
There are roads all over national forests. It doesnt mean you can just drive to the spot. It could take hours depending on how bad the roads are
These dudes are BADAS$’!!!
What do you do with your shoots when you land?
They gather up all their jump gear into a safe spot, and go to work on the fire with the handtools. After they're all done, the pack it up into a giant duffle bag looking backpack and hump it out to the nearest road for pickup. If they're jumping wilderness, that could be several miles over really rough terrain, and the packout weight can be over 100 lbs. It's the least glamorous part of the job. I applied once, couldn't make the training date, and it was probably a good decision.
That slider though
Dang it! Beat me to it!
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Stay safe.....you special bread of humans.......
Breed...
Sorry! Bread of human sounds weird. ha
Breed
I’d never known about this sort of thing when I was younger.
Have to hike in with all that gear? And then use hand tools to try to clear brush away? Wow that is a tough job!
Not exactly. The suits are for worse case Ontario. They jump into secure areas, if they f up the jump the suit is there to help them. If you watch they have a very clear landing zone. With boots on the ground. They aint jumping into 1950's wilderness like they did back then. They're jumping into people's arms mostly.. and if there's people there then they beat you to the fire.
The whole point to smoke jumpers is to be first on the ground to help contain the fire... not being someone they can drive up to the location who can walk in. Especially with all the extra cost. So... smoke jumpers are suited up to land in trees with helmets and masks. Not be random guys falling out a plane and landing in a specific LZ.
"Ya see the red smoke?, ya that's where you need to land cuz there's people there waiting for you" that makes 0 sense at all.
@@jlo7770That’s where the grub is😂
@@Elk300 lmao okay. But no.
@@jlo7770The guys on the ground are probably the more experienced jumpers that came out the same plane on the first pass.
For people who think they jumped in to a 'safe' zone.... that grass/brush is waist high. That's going to burn with the right conditions, pretty damn high.... They have no water, no heavy machinery and it's going to be tens of to minutes away depending on actual range from the front conditions etc. Damn. 42, crashed my bike back in the day and happy to have 3000l on a truck and protective stuff around me. Go for it lads, lets all of us stay safe. Damn!
Awesome! What a dream job!
How the hell do you land a gig like this
Most of these guys were hotshots, before that on a Type II hand crew.
Hell ya man!!!! cool vid thanks for sharing.
My uncle was a FS smoke jumper in the 70s. Hope these folks get paid well, though I'm guessing they're not paid what they're worth.
Govt gives them as little as possible. $$$$ needs to go to foreigners.
@@Skidderoperator oh right, the 'foreigners' 🙄
@@adamr149 Forget us, give tax $ to Fn STRANGERS!
@@Skidderoperator ok buddy 😅
@@Skidderoperator It's about the same as a regular paratrooper. Not sure what foreigners have to do with wages for a relatively low-skill job.
Thanks brothers
Woooooooo!❤😊
I found a new fire ait.
Why were they jumping? Plenty of roads through the area, also was that as close as they could land to the fire?
Those are wagon paths.. you would have a hard time accessing those with equipment
You get on site much faster by jumping versus driving
@@N8outdoors You got me interested. What is a wagon path? First thought in my head is team of horses and a wagon.
It's about 10 miles NW of Redmesa on tribal land just outside Mesa Verde National Park. The closest significant dirt road looks to be about 4 miles, and all dual track high 4x4 after that. It's not that they can't get equipment out there, but with smoke jumpers it's a matter of minutes versus hours. Sometimes they can get down there and get it out while it's still very small. Sometimes not. Looks like it ultimately grew to at least 840 acres (more than a square mile).
That road was super close I live in Colorado and always thought they do this when the fires are super remote.
In 2 or 3 hrs it takes to drive there that fire can grow into a huge fire
Jumping is the fastest way to to the fire... I have +15 years alaska wildland firefight.
That’s not a road. It’s a trail.
How do they put out the fire?
They carry tools to cut and clear a fire break to remove fuel in front of the fires path. When the fire burns its way to the fire break it goes out due to a lack of fuel.
Wow! Thanks for the video!
That's absolutely badass
Great job!
Would you sign my chacos?
Awesome 😎
I wonder if the smokejumpers ever get an opportunity to go to US Army airborne school? It sure seems like it would be relevant
No. They don't jump with those dog crap chutes they make the Army use. They use ram air parachutes you can actually steer with so you don't land in the middle of a fire, on power lines, get impaled by tree branches, break bones on jagged rocks or uneven terrain, land directly in front of an enemy machine gun nest, etc. Everyone outside of the military doesn't use static line chutes because they understand how unnecessarily dangerous and difficult they are to use.
They have their own training facilities
THANK YOU BOYS!!!
Looks great but how do two or three guys make a difference?
This is just badass!
my construction manager in San Fransisco in 2009
Long ways up. Fairbanks 64. 1200’ or less. 32 -D-bag
Wow!!!
Kickass
Why?
why not the road or trail? epic.
No roads close enough. And any visible trails are a loooong way to walk with their gear.
The special forces of wildland firefighting.
Regime changing one fire at a time
so freaking cool
That looks fun
SWEET 🤙🤙🤙🤙
At least they're using square parachutes.
1) "Where's the LZ"
2) "Oh you'll know when you see it"
1) "LETS GOOOOOOO"
It's all good and fun. . .but, there are roads down there. . . for hotshots in brush trucks and 6's, and dozers could access it too.
I’m not hating on smoke jumpers, I would actually love to become one. In this situation however, why wouldn’t you land a rotary wing aircraft or two with the same sized team and equipment? I’d assume that would be even quicker. You wouldn’t have to get jumpers jocked up, jump brief, or get as much gear ready. Just fuel the birds, pack up your gear and go.
Helos are slower than airplanes, they carry less personnel and equipment, and are more expensive to operate. Not sure exactly where this fire took place but looks a decent ways away from an airport. If response time was a priority using jumpers was the way to. Also, most Jumpers are seasoned firefighters with quals to run fires. That may be another reason.
It's about time I saw something useful from the acronym BLM.
May God bless
You !!! This is amazing isnt Jesus wonderful
"State-of-the-badass-art" !
it looks like they landed by a road? how come they didnt just drive there?
wow, parachuting in right next to a road. U GUYZ R SO KOOL
Dont see you doing it
literally a road a few hundred yards from the fire.
That’s not a road. It’s a trail.
blue skies
Impressive!
ugh. I need to get back to an airborne unit
Good to see Back Lives Matter diversifying their capabilities.
I'm confused by this comment
Amazing how many people hate on and even protest against these brave folks
Do you have an example?
@@kyleschirrmacher2433 🤷♂️
Exactly! Black Lives Matter is everywhere nowadays. 🤙🏽
I didn't know this was a job!
Love this video....but it seems like driving in on that road would have been easier and less expensive lol
Yes it would be easier and cheaper, but it would take significantly longer, allowing that fire to grow to be a much bigger size. Then the price of the containment would ultimately be more costly. These guys get in there quick to help prevent that fire from growing while the rest of the guys probably drive in on the road
Gotta make so many jumps to remain on jump status/jump pay I imagine
I wonder what they do tho, given all they have is a back pack. maybe dig a fire line
@@randomradon not actually true, i have my airfield red card, smokejumpers are a last case scenario because they take so long to prep and ready (you're talking flight plans, loading up, gearing up, etc.).
@@randomradon how much equipment (and water) can these guys bring? That is what I thought about. Like a fire extinguisher or two per person doesn't seem like it would do much to a forest fire.
Why make that expensive jump when a crew could make it by land
All about timing.
Poor guys making less money than a Panda Express employee to risk their lives.
GOV START PAYING THESE PEOPLE!!! WE NEED THEM!!
Well that's not what I was expecting I thought you would jump closer to the fire now you've got to walk further. 🤔
Guessing the fire comes to them?
They jump to where the fire is burning towards so they have time to cut a fire break. They didn't land there to throw dirt on an already active square mile sized fire lol
Better a long walk than a short crawl.
WHY THE JUMP you could have DRIVEN RIGHT TO THE LINE
Possibly because they're a specialized unit 6 hours away that know more about wind and how it effects wildfires than you.....
@@RockNRuen Now What would you know ABOUT ME and you seem to not understand the POST !!! Jumping FOR NO REASON is a inherent danger to you EVERY TIME YOU JUMP !!! When there is a CLEAR ABILITY to be fought from the GROUND it seems a WASTE OF MY TAX MONEY
I would have landed at the road crossing, sage is nasty to land in.
Has the coolest job in the world*
Jumping out of planes AND fighting fires? Had I known this was even a thing in my younger days I would have saved up and paid to do that.
With balls that big made of brass how do y'all not fall fast AF?!?!
I have really big balls, but nothing compared to these guys!
Rock stars
He’s under reserve, close to the deck for a malfunction ✔️ dem shorts.
Noise sounds like Hannibal Lector.😅
Knowing that BLM is now fighting fires makes me feel better about election season. That’s a real about face and I applaud them.
AMERICA woo hoo