I forgot how broken Metal Sonic is in this game. He can jump higher, has the highest acceleration and base speed and his black shield protects him from the opposing player's attacks. The only thing that can slow him down is time stop/chaos control, which can be broken out of faster by mashing the buttons. I know him not being able to use special attacks is the drawback of choosing him, but I think his highs outweigh his lows.
I definitely agree there. However, another drawback to Metal is that he has poor traction, which the manual describes as him not being able to use brakes easily.
Amy is even more broken cuz the amount of rings to do special attacks is cut in half for her. She only needs 20 for Storming Heart and 30 to do Amy Flash. So you can just spam the fuck out of her attacks on the opposing player into submission. Unlike Chaos Control/Time Stop which actually stops time and freezes the opponent in the position they currently are in as well as hazards and enemies, Amy Flash causes you to be locked out of the controls while everything else still moves. So if this happens while right over a pit, on a loop de loop or a rail you fall straight down to your death and it makes you a sitting duck to enemies. Even makes Metal's shield worthless and a sitting duck since Amy Flash just cancels out Black Shield.
Having fully balanced characters in a multiplayer game is overrated. What is the point of choosing between multiple characters if none of the characters are any better than any of the other characters? Though you might not be wrong. I don't know how good Metal Sonic is, but if he is like gen 1 MewTwo, THATS a problem.
2:25 how did Metal Sonic move so much faster? His base speed is more than Sonic, Shadow, and Amy but at that moment Sonic was still using the super shoes and we saw earlier in this race that the super shoes make him faster than Metal Sonic so how exactly did that happen?
Given the right amount of time and polish, I think the multiplayer battle part of SA2 could have been so much more fun. It's a difficult question to answer; how do you make a game with so much speed engaging to play? Ring count being tied to speed bonuses would have been a good start, a bit like the function of rings in the Riders games. Homing attacks and being invulnerable midair was a huge issue because it basically invalidates the concept of attacking an opponent directly. Alternate paths that close after entering them via switches, pressure plates or triggers would have been another good idea, or catch-up paths that could only be opened once the player in first opened them. All in all, the game's huge lack of variety in options and agency on how to catch up was the problem I think they should have alleviated the most. If both people are going the same speed, it's only going to be a game of mistakes, but with a lack of complexity in response, it's basically like checkers instead of chess. I don't know. I love this game more than anything in the world; thank you for making these. I love multiplayer TAS runs.
I find to be more of a fun casual mode rather than a competitive thing, not only the levels were made easier but some attacks and alternate skins are outright broken. But to totally adapt the levels to make a complex multiplayer experience with alternate paths and such would require too much work and time that Sonic Team didn't have :(
@@sanglish18 Yeah, it's unfortunate, you know? Given the resources they have now you would think they would maybe even attempt to make a Sonic title with a fun and replayable multiplayer experience. They definitely have the teams to put it together but sadly we're left to people making stuff like ChaosX's Project-06 to fill the void. I sincerely hope that since Unity is so robust user created content will eventually generate a more robust experience for people who want multiplayer or perhaps even something online. The thing is, Project-06 is not just a full-on recreation of '06 in the Unity Engine, it essentially has the power to become a modifiable fan-game with a lot of extra user-generated stuff. That's my hope at least, anyways. Given how many fan-games have come out over the past 5 or 6 years (Project-06 itself, Sonic Omens, Sonic I2020 and I+ Unreal Engine) I think it's safe to say that loyal fans of the game will make something if they know what platform people will play on.
@@Crowald Sonic racing has received a fair amount of love, it just wasn’t packaged in the traditional platforming format. There’s the kart racers and Riders, the first Riders is complex enough that it’s considered a true competitive game. What Sonic Team could really elevate to a whole new level with today’s technology and game development knowledge would be the Chao Garden. The depth of the Chao and their AI was impressive for the early 2000s, if they did a modern CG with a sizable budget and ambition it could be a baby/pet sim they could only dream of creating in the turn of the millennium. If they made a game entirely about Chao they could even throw in more mini games and perhaps some monster taming elements with an RPG mode or something.
Well, This was a fun inclusion. Sa2 was made for the Sega Dreamcast. Then they decided to reboot it and introduce it to the Game Cube and pronounced it Sa 2 Battle, which was the best idea they could've ever done because it grew so many fans and sales, because of it. Sega also did this with Phantasy Star Online. They reboot their games with extra perks. Something like that would be frowned upon on in this day of age, but I'm glad they did it because I would be missing alot of fun games I grew up with.
1:26 Мне так нравится, что несмотря на то, что игрок за Соника был впереди и получил бонус, всë же подождал соперника, чтобы в конечном счëте обогнать его. Х) Это так в стиле Соника)))
What earnest amateurism vs deep understanding of game mechanics looks like Metal Sonic commanded a better knowledge of shortcuts and minimizing air time so as to stay on his feet and get the most speed. He also understood how his shield worked, and never stopped trying to make progress. Maybe the Sonic player was just playing for funsies, but he literally stood still to wait for MS to catch up. Thats very in-character for Sonic but questionable in a race. Sonic also seemed to roughly know the map layout but didnt take advantage of his spindash, or better manage his Specials. Sonic Wind against MS's shield is useless but Sonic never caught on -- waiting the extra 20 rings for a time stop could have been more effective.
![[Dual TAS] SPEED GLITCH - Sonic vs Shadow Radical Highway - Sonic Adventure 2 Battle](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/2EegkmmFjEI/mqdefault.jpg)
1:26 Stopped just to flex the speed shoes
Stardust Speedway in a nutshell. 😅🤣
What If?: Metal Sonic wins
come ON sonic, WHY ARE YOU FUCKING AROUND SPINDASH DOWN THE HIIIILLS
I forgot how broken Metal Sonic is in this game. He can jump higher, has the highest acceleration and base speed and his black shield protects him from the opposing player's attacks. The only thing that can slow him down is time stop/chaos control, which can be broken out of faster by mashing the buttons.
I know him not being able to use special attacks is the drawback of choosing him, but I think his highs outweigh his lows.
S Tier for sure
I definitely agree there. However, another drawback to Metal is that he has poor traction, which the manual describes as him not being able to use brakes easily.
Amy is even more broken cuz the amount of rings to do special attacks is cut in half for her. She only needs 20 for Storming Heart and 30 to do Amy Flash. So you can just spam the fuck out of her attacks on the opposing player into submission. Unlike Chaos Control/Time Stop which actually stops time and freezes the opponent in the position they currently are in as well as hazards and enemies, Amy Flash causes you to be locked out of the controls while everything else still moves. So if this happens while right over a pit, on a loop de loop or a rail you fall straight down to your death and it makes you a sitting duck to enemies. Even makes Metal's shield worthless and a sitting duck since Amy Flash just cancels out Black Shield.
Having fully balanced characters in a multiplayer game is overrated. What is the point of choosing between multiple characters if none of the characters are any better than any of the other characters?
Though you might not be wrong. I don't know how good Metal Sonic is, but if he is like gen 1 MewTwo, THATS a problem.
His acceleration has been faster than Sonic until the Boost ERA.
this was actually really fun to watch. Felt like an intense battle
right lol i want more
I like how Sonic had three Speed shoes & Plus The Speed up boost and Metal Sonic still Won the Race. it's hilarious
Duuude, spoilers.
@@_TheSami_Why are you looking in the comments then?
@@_TheSami_bro had his SA2 multiplayer TAS spoiled and had to let everyone know
sonic was honestly letting him win
@@icecreamwaffles1962Nahhh, he just got too cocky.
Metal's voice lines are the best in the entire series, im glad he spoke so much in SA2B
omg I was so invested in this I literally clapped and screamed for Metal's victory ahh! - cast.
Y you
Y you *spoiler
SAME!!!
Tha is for THANKS FOR THE SPOILER I LITERALLT JUST GOT SO MAD I SMACKED MY COUCH AND BROKE IT
Thats wholesome
Sonic adventure 2: battle introduced me to metal sonic
Same. Both this and Pinball Party around the same year I think.
2:25 how did Metal Sonic move so much faster? His base speed is more than Sonic, Shadow, and Amy but at that moment Sonic was still using the super shoes and we saw earlier in this race that the super shoes make him faster than Metal Sonic so how exactly did that happen?
for some reason with metal sonic when it comes to loops and grinding his speed excels everyone in the game. not sure why but yeah lol
Metal sonics physics are different and he will blast through loop d loops
That's because Metal Sonic can reach top speed faster. You can be fast asf, but it doesn't matter if you can't even hit your top speed.
Sonic was so close yet so far. Metal Sonic for the win!
Darn It I Lost Again
Given the right amount of time and polish, I think the multiplayer battle part of SA2 could have been so much more fun. It's a difficult question to answer; how do you make a game with so much speed engaging to play? Ring count being tied to speed bonuses would have been a good start, a bit like the function of rings in the Riders games. Homing attacks and being invulnerable midair was a huge issue because it basically invalidates the concept of attacking an opponent directly.
Alternate paths that close after entering them via switches, pressure plates or triggers would have been another good idea, or catch-up paths that could only be opened once the player in first opened them. All in all, the game's huge lack of variety in options and agency on how to catch up was the problem I think they should have alleviated the most. If both people are going the same speed, it's only going to be a game of mistakes, but with a lack of complexity in response, it's basically like checkers instead of chess.
I don't know. I love this game more than anything in the world; thank you for making these. I love multiplayer TAS runs.
I find to be more of a fun casual mode rather than a competitive thing, not only the levels were made easier but some attacks and alternate skins are outright broken. But to totally adapt the levels to make a complex multiplayer experience with alternate paths and such would require too much work and time that Sonic Team didn't have :(
@@sanglish18 Yeah, it's unfortunate, you know? Given the resources they have now you would think they would maybe even attempt to make a Sonic title with a fun and replayable multiplayer experience. They definitely have the teams to put it together but sadly we're left to people making stuff like ChaosX's Project-06 to fill the void.
I sincerely hope that since Unity is so robust user created content will eventually generate a more robust experience for people who want multiplayer or perhaps even something online. The thing is, Project-06 is not just a full-on recreation of '06 in the Unity Engine, it essentially has the power to become a modifiable fan-game with a lot of extra user-generated stuff. That's my hope at least, anyways.
Given how many fan-games have come out over the past 5 or 6 years (Project-06 itself, Sonic Omens, Sonic I2020 and I+ Unreal Engine) I think it's safe to say that loyal fans of the game will make something if they know what platform people will play on.
@@Crowald Sonic racing has received a fair amount of love, it just wasn’t packaged in the traditional platforming format. There’s the kart racers and Riders, the first Riders is complex enough that it’s considered a true competitive game. What Sonic Team could really elevate to a whole new level with today’s technology and game development knowledge would be the Chao Garden. The depth of the Chao and their AI was impressive for the early 2000s, if they did a modern CG with a sizable budget and ambition it could be a baby/pet sim they could only dream of creating in the turn of the millennium. If they made a game entirely about Chao they could even throw in more mini games and perhaps some monster taming elements with an RPG mode or something.
Man. Imagine in metal sonic had the spin dash and attacks. He would be broken
This was such a good battle. Reminds me of when I played with my friend back in 5th grade.
1:32 Sonic making zigzags just to flex on Metal is such an in-character thing
I remember playing with my cousin and we'd always try to rush and choose metal sonic before one another could choose
Every sonic game needs multiplayer like this.
Well, This was a fun inclusion.
Sa2 was made for the Sega Dreamcast.
Then they decided to reboot it and introduce it to the Game Cube and pronounced it Sa 2 Battle, which was the best idea they could've ever done because it grew so many fans and sales, because of it.
Sega also did this with Phantasy Star Online.
They reboot their games with extra perks.
Something like that would be frowned upon on in this day of age, but I'm glad they did it because I would be missing alot of fun games I grew up with.
1:26 Мне так нравится, что несмотря на то, что игрок за Соника был впереди и получил бонус, всë же подождал соперника, чтобы в конечном счëте обогнать его. Х)
Это так в стиле Соника)))
This was way more entertaining than I thought it’d be lol
Don't know what the hell is this but it's super cool
man i love both playing !!!
0:55 WHAT!!!!????? I never even knew of that shortcut Metal took.
Welp, Since Metal won, I guess Sonic dies to Eggman's super laser from Stardust Speedway (L)
1:26 Power sneaker flex 😂😂😂
2:26 the fact that if Metal Sonic would've got hit by that last attack, he would've lost
This was very good
Ggs!!
Sonic: Better not let the dark side win
TAS: I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear that
Reminds me of the cutscene after beating Sonic CD when they race each other.
How to unlock
Awesome
Knowing how slow metal is, i really rooted for my dawgg to win this one
Metal isn't slow.....he's the fastest out of the 4.
@@robonaught Yea, he's literally the fastest in the game. Pretty broken too.
I am new to SA2B since I only have seen SA2 for the Dreamcast but Metal Sonic is playable in the GameCube version? Or both?
@@TySticknodes He is playable on both Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Adventure 2: battle.
@@mishuncompree1362 oh
What earnest amateurism vs deep understanding of game mechanics looks like
Metal Sonic commanded a better knowledge of shortcuts and minimizing air time so as to stay on his feet and get the most speed. He also understood how his shield worked, and never stopped trying to make progress.
Maybe the Sonic player was just playing for funsies, but he literally stood still to wait for MS to catch up. Thats very in-character for Sonic but questionable in a race.
Sonic also seemed to roughly know the map layout but didnt take advantage of his spindash, or better manage his Specials. Sonic Wind against MS's shield is useless but Sonic never caught on -- waiting the extra 20 rings for a time stop could have been more effective.
LETS GOOO MY MAN METAL WON
🥶
Sonic vs Metal Sonic: The classic rivalry
Felt just like stardust speedway
Cool!
Do you plan in doing some for Treasure Hunting?
It would be interesting I'll give it a try
@@remisstasvids9567 thanks!!
Sonic got WAY too cocky
Not sonic and metal fighting over a minor head start at the beginning
Is that a mod I don’t play adventure
No, is a multiplayer mode and you can unlock metal sonic
@@el_mini_kirbyHe's not locked in Sonic Adventure 2 Battle. He's locked in Sonic Adventure 2 on Dreamcast.
Sonic Adventure CD
0:46 0:47
If you spindashed you would have won
In the dreamcast version His SUCKS because he has no sound no nothing because his powers is still the same as Shadow
The Dreamcast version of Multiplayer is crap
@@robonaught Yeah