"OMG! Moving Parts! Such Expensive! A basic Oil change will Send you Straight to the Poor House!" In all seriousness, I appreciate you MotoMan for the deep dives into vehicles like this and explaining the what/how so eloquently - along with the engaging driving portions. Plus, the options game has been a favorite of mine for years. Keep it up!
@@MotoManTV the drivetrain loss due to sandwiching the electric motor in middle of transmission is significant. You can compare 28 kWh/100 mi of a Model Y vs 63 kWh/100mi you see on a BMW X5 PHEV...
For some reason, I still like the 2018 C43 AMG looks, not to mention engine sound from that non-hand built biturbo V6, a lot better. Either way, great video MotoManTV
Definitely not! That's why we're kinda speechless. I really love motoman,but these new "cars" are getting more and more obese with OMG,not AMG,2l,4 cylinders engines. (I'm not speechless anymore 😂)
That's always what you're signing up for when you buy a high-performance ICE car like this. If you want high performance on the cheap and maintenance-free (relatively speaking), you have to go EV, and that means more weight.
@@TheBreakfastLover Approximately 65% (hardly a VAST majority) is where leases plateau in a low interest rate environment. Leasing percentages are at their highest when interest rates are low, so leasing is predictably down since the rate increases.
After watching this I genuinely do not hate this car anymore.. Much more well executed than I even imagined. I'd look into buying one honestly, I don't think reliability is going to be that horrendous other then the electronics. I wouldn’t consider the M340i a competitor to this because it’s in its own league.
I wouldn’t say the M340i is in its own league whatsoever. Yes it is much faster in a straight line but auto mags have more than proven this AMG is a better car dynamically. Not only did motor trend find the driving dynamics of this far superior, but several German mags have not only preferred it but have also shown its increased capability. In slalom tests the C43 pulls higher Gs and higher speed, finishing much quicker, and in a German track test it bested it by 1.5 seconds despite being slower in a straight line. Much of this they attribute to the rear wheel steering and more sophisticated suspension set up. I do think that the M340i is better polished overall, more comfortable and easier to live with. The BMW also has an insane amount of aftermarket and it doesn’t take much to make it an absolute straight line beast.
@@517sf6 I just resort to putting the M340i at the top of the segment because if you say anything negative about it online you get a ridiculous influx of BMW evangelists swearing it’s better than everything else. I personally think the BMW is for a relatively new and large niche that likes having the fastest, flashiest car that can come close to doing what all the others do and that is why I think it’s still in a league of its own. I’m glad to hear that the Mercedes is more dynamic, didn’t expect that honestly. If you ask me, BMWs are better when they follow heritage rather than making everything literal overkill, would much rather see the 3 series ditch gas turbo engines in favor for N/A slant sixes.
@@vorsprungdurchtechnik5 I agree, anytime I ever say a negative thing about it I get crucified by fanboys. It’s hard to believe the AMG is that good dynamically for a lot until they drive it. AMGs two decades ago weren’t exactly precise machines. The M340i does serve its niche the best, it is the go-to car for people looking for their entry level performance car. It’s still good dynamically but it also has the BMW community which in itself is the main decision factor for many. The aftermarket, the support, the owners, events and forums that BMW has trumps anything any of its competitors have.
@@517sf6 The aftermarket for BMWs is just popular and easy to find, other cars you have to have passion and a healthy spending budget for. You can find things for things but they're just a bit underground if it isn't a BMW.
@@Glorious117CLA is much more track focused, especially with the dynamics package added. We got to drive them on the track when they launched for Mercedes-Benz
I went from a 2021 V-6 GLC 43 SUV to the 2024. Both cars are amazing, but with1,200 miles on the 4-cyl 2024, I have to say that this car is a LOT more fun to drive. Your mileage may vary. :)
I'm going to go out on a limb with these 4-cylinder AMG C-classes, that sales are going to start off slow - but then taper off... haha wtf was MB thinking? Already some of the worst reliability and electronics and they said "what if we added MORE complication?". Good luck after warranty.
Merc is prioritizing powertrain for China and Europe, which have far more aggressive emissions regulations. China taxes based on displacement, with a big penalty for anything bigger than 2.0L (that's why 2.0L turbos are ubiquitous), so this will do better in China than a M340i. But agreed in the US - can't imagine it'll do well. The global patchwork of regulations that OEMs have to solve for is ridiculous.
Guess I’m an old man as I love this car,I’m done with my sports cars and will go down with my 2024 C43,if its ever is released from the port of Baltimore,still waiting hopefully soon,thanks for a great review!
As a loyal Mercedes buyer I really don't understand what are doing in Stuttgart. While BMW created the M3 Touring, in Stuttgart, driven by an "electrical hallucination", someone created this 43 and, above all, the 63: very heavy, with strange steering feedback and a vacuum cleaner sound. I know that this is the future that someone wants to impose on us, but I really don't like it.
Great work sir! Been watching you since 2012. Love the details and straightforward, down to earth info on all your content. God bless and continued success!
Love that interior. An electric motor inside the turbo charger….who would have thunk? Glad to hear it reduces turbo lag however…. At the very beginning of your drive, you seemed to be surprised how slow it was to initially pick up speed? Thanks MM!
So George, if they can have an electric pre spooling turbocharger, and IDK if that's what you'd call it, then who needs the exhaust gases powering the turbo. Why NOT just make it an electrified turbo? Less costly I'd think without all the plumbing, and no lag, and much easier to manage the performance of the turbo through software. What are your thoughts??
I like that you have to choose option on the Mercedes’ there are some people I know that feel putting a wireless charger in a car interior completely excessive and they say I won’t buy one because there is too much to go wrong and I want what I want and nothing else I have to fix. I have come to agree with them after arguing the other side. I also realize if it didn’t have the options to make it fully optioned it would be a kia
Good video. As someone who has owned a lot of AMG’s I would worry about breaking things with all this tech and wearing things down with all this weight. This thing is gonna eat tires and brakes.
Nicely improved looks especially on the rear deck and the technology under the hood. I would go so far as to say, add one more level, dampening for the most stiffest, keeping the others the same, but if not, simply just step them all up. #nicejob
So fuel economy rating is slightly worse than previous C43 with V6 🤔 Unfortunately do to Europe and China regulations which focus on factors other than MPG.
I do like the interior but the exterior isn't very nice. The new C43 is 100-112K here in Canada, which is just outrageous. I'm definately happy with my 2023 G70 3.3T that I bought for almost half the price.
How easy did they make it to work on yourself? Dunno why anyone who would pay for dealer service would choose a C class. This thing would be awesome as a hatchback like the Stinger or A5. I love the idea of the inline 4 turbo but I hope there's an electric auxiliary oil pump feeding that snail constantly. They need to make a lightweight stripper version like an homage to the 190e Evo
Cars got so complicated for what so ever reason, but when you compare this to the new C63 it looks simple , definitly the you should get if you are looking for quick Mercedes sedan
@MotoManTV: It seems to me from your reactions that the AMG CLA 45 is more fun to drive than this? [good]. I'm also assuming this C43 has a softer suspension and is quieter inside? [also good, for what it is]. I dunno. If I were gonna buy a Mercedes, I don't think this would be the one. I mean, everything is gonna break eventually right? But to me, it seems like this drive system is a few steps more complicated than the one in the CLA 45. I mean, if you're just gonna lease, none of that makes any difference. But what if I were foolhardy enough to actually order one of these from the factory, specced my way?
My only wish would be for Mercedes to lower prices.... but i guess that´s asking too much these days. The C class, given how much it grew in size, became almost all the sedan one needs aside if you really want a more luxurius ride with the S. It´s interesting to be able to compare prices between Europe and the US. Here the new C-class plug-in has an asking price around 65k. It´s all the car one needs but not long ago the base C started at 29-30k and last time i checked started over 50k. oh, and i quite like the sound of that engine.
Something tells me adding an electric motor to the turbocharger will be about as reliable as the Hyundai/Kia electronic wastegate on the turbocharger..
Lol. This tech isnt even that new. The audi rs7 has had this in their diesel and petrol engines since 2017. Whats different is the added ev motor. I'm not sure they have their software just right. Seems there's still too much lag and the shifting is harsh.
Alo. Koenigsegg does something similar but different...They use a compressed air tank and valve control to pre-spool their turbo. The tank is refilled by a parasitic pump clutched to the engine. Apparently it was the lightest solution (for them).
@@JayDee-b5u I know it's not new tech. I just haven't seen them to know what their reliability stands at. I question the longevity of electrical components attached to something that gets as hot as a turbocharger. As for firm shifting, I don't recall if George specified it's a constant thing or simply during aggressive driving. My daily driver has a dual-clutch transmission. Shifts are imperceptible when driven sedately but make themselves known when driven moderately/aggressively which I quite like. like.
I don't see why anyone would want to buy this except for the badge. I hate the move that automakers are still charging $60K plus for 'sport' models yet they have a 4 cylinder engine. I don't care about the power output, a 4 cylinder engine will never be as refined as a 6 or 8 cylinder. For $62K one can buy a Lexus IS500 with a 5.0 litre naturally aspirated V8. No competition here.
This should not be stiffer. Dear Lord we need comfier cars. We aren't racing, these are our commuters. This is what the low end journalists never understand
I think the only I thing I prefer about this car vs the 23+ M340i LCI is the interior. The infotainment and gauge screens are much better executed than the lazy slap dash approach BMW took. BUT, the BMW is quicker, has better handling, and is far more efficient. AND you get the sound and reliability of the B58. This C43 is a big miss in my books.
The AMG out handles this everyday of the week, it’s been proven multiple times in auto mags slalom tests and track tests where the AMG routinely pulls higher Gs and faster times despite being slower in a straight line. In one track test it was ahead but a full second and a half.
This is a C400 .. not an AMG product.. nice interior though but it just needed Inline 6 and call it a C450. BMW has no issues placing the B58 in multi chassis.
You win. I submit. Here is a sub, a like , and a comment 😄. All jokes aside. I've been a lurker since before i can remember. I've always liked your videos but could never be bothered to log in. Not sure why you have 250k subs, but a disproportionate view rate.
More than a 340i and is500 with considerably more electrical and mechanical complication and looks like an old man's car in golf shoe white? Good luck.
It doesn't look bad, although it does look a little old fashioned compared to today's car design! Technically it's ok, but I feel that a worse version of technology has been put into it than the price would justify! I have the impression that this car (like most European cars) was not made with the aim of offering people value for money, but to get as much money as possible for as little value as possible! You can especially see it in the list of extra equipment, I feel like the prices of the extra equipment were pulled out of a hat, as if they set the prices not by how much the equipment really costs and how much it really is, but by how much they think someone will want to pay for it! The entire European auto industry has become repulsive to me precisely because of their attitude towards people!
"OMG! Moving Parts! Such Expensive! A basic Oil change will Send you Straight to the Poor House!"
In all seriousness, I appreciate you MotoMan for the deep dives into vehicles like this and explaining the what/how so eloquently - along with the engaging driving portions. Plus, the options game has been a favorite of mine for years. Keep it up!
Thanks for the feedback and being along with us on the journey for all these years!
@@MotoManTV the drivetrain loss due to sandwiching the electric motor in middle of transmission is significant. You can compare 28 kWh/100 mi of a Model Y vs 63 kWh/100mi you see on a BMW X5 PHEV...
For some reason, I still like the 2018 C43 AMG looks, not to mention engine sound from that non-hand built biturbo V6, a lot better. Either way, great video MotoManTV
Am I the only one having a hard time getting excited by these new Mercedes products?
Take a viagra that should help
No
Definitely not!
That's why we're kinda speechless.
I really love motoman,but these new "cars" are getting more and more obese with OMG,not AMG,2l,4 cylinders engines.
(I'm not speechless anymore 😂)
No
Drove one of these. Bought it.
LOVE YOUR SHOW MOTOMAN
Some reviewers have said thar this car makes a lot more sense than the new 4cyl C63. Can't wait to hear your take on it.
Sounds like a whole lot of things to go wrong EXPENSIVE THINGS
That's always what you're signing up for when you buy a high-performance ICE car like this. If you want high performance on the cheap and maintenance-free (relatively speaking), you have to go EV, and that means more weight.
The vast majority of new Mercedes aren't owned, they're leased. Few will keep a Mercedes past warranty.
@@TheBreakfastLover Approximately 65% (hardly a VAST majority) is where leases plateau in a low interest rate environment. Leasing percentages are at their highest when interest rates are low, so leasing is predictably down since the rate increases.
@@kenhiett5266 81% of new Mercedes on the road today are leases.
@@TheBreakfastLover I don't know where you're getting that stat, but it's inaccurate.
I love my C43, its a fun car!
After watching this I genuinely do not hate this car anymore.. Much more well executed than I even imagined. I'd look into buying one honestly, I don't think reliability is going to be that horrendous other then the electronics. I wouldn’t consider the M340i a competitor to this because it’s in its own league.
Have to admit that I was pleasantly surprised by this car!
I wouldn’t say the M340i is in its own league whatsoever. Yes it is much faster in a straight line but auto mags have more than proven this AMG is a better car dynamically. Not only did motor trend find the driving dynamics of this far superior, but several German mags have not only preferred it but have also shown its increased capability. In slalom tests the C43 pulls higher Gs and higher speed, finishing much quicker, and in a German track test it bested it by 1.5 seconds despite being slower in a straight line. Much of this they attribute to the rear wheel steering and more sophisticated suspension set up. I do think that the M340i is better polished overall, more comfortable and easier to live with. The BMW also has an insane amount of aftermarket and it doesn’t take much to make it an absolute straight line beast.
@@517sf6 I just resort to putting the M340i at the top of the segment because if you say anything negative about it online you get a ridiculous influx of BMW evangelists swearing it’s better than everything else. I personally think the BMW is for a relatively new and large niche that likes having the fastest, flashiest car that can come close to doing what all the others do and that is why I think it’s still in a league of its own. I’m glad to hear that the Mercedes is more dynamic, didn’t expect that honestly. If you ask me, BMWs are better when they follow heritage rather than making everything literal overkill, would much rather see the 3 series ditch gas turbo engines in favor for N/A slant sixes.
@@vorsprungdurchtechnik5 I agree, anytime I ever say a negative thing about it I get crucified by fanboys. It’s hard to believe the AMG is that good dynamically for a lot until they drive it. AMGs two decades ago weren’t exactly precise machines. The M340i does serve its niche the best, it is the go-to car for people looking for their entry level performance car. It’s still good dynamically but it also has the BMW community which in itself is the main decision factor for many. The aftermarket, the support, the owners, events and forums that BMW has trumps anything any of its competitors have.
@@517sf6 The aftermarket for BMWs is just popular and easy to find, other cars you have to have passion and a healthy spending budget for. You can find things for things but they're just a bit underground if it isn't a BMW.
With the C43 starting) at $59,900, the CLA45 ($58,950) Must be on the chopping block.
Excellent work, M.
One is RWD and one is FWD. Both 4matic though, but the layout is different
@@Glorious117CLA is much more track focused, especially with the dynamics package added. We got to drive them on the track when they launched for Mercedes-Benz
When in doubt, always choose RWD.
I went from a 2021 V-6 GLC 43 SUV to the 2024. Both cars are amazing, but with1,200 miles on the 4-cyl 2024, I have to say that this car is a LOT more fun to drive. Your mileage may vary. :)
The new C43 starts life behind the m340i in acceleration, sound, weight, efficiency, and price.
Then - it's not a BMW. That's worth something :P
And way ahead of it in both interior and exterior styling. Every new BMW is ugly, or boring looking, or both, inside and out.
I bought mine because it was more fun. Electrified Turbo. I was tired of BMW. Mercedes interior is first class. Love it.
It sounded great until the price. WOW! Great review as always.
Nice a turbo 4 with the fuel economy a nissan GTR, perfect
I'm going to go out on a limb with these 4-cylinder AMG C-classes, that sales are going to start off slow - but then taper off... haha wtf was MB thinking? Already some of the worst reliability and electronics and they said "what if we added MORE complication?". Good luck after warranty.
Merc is prioritizing powertrain for China and Europe, which have far more aggressive emissions regulations. China taxes based on displacement, with a big penalty for anything bigger than 2.0L (that's why 2.0L turbos are ubiquitous), so this will do better in China than a M340i.
But agreed in the US - can't imagine it'll do well. The global patchwork of regulations that OEMs have to solve for is ridiculous.
@@The_Stanmanthe problem is, amg dont work with 4bangers, it wont fly even in China…
Guess I’m an old man as I love this car,I’m done with my sports cars and will go down with my 2024 C43,if its ever is released from the port of Baltimore,still waiting hopefully soon,thanks for a great review!
As a loyal Mercedes buyer I really don't understand what are doing in Stuttgart. While BMW created the M3 Touring, in Stuttgart, driven by an "electrical hallucination", someone created this 43 and, above all, the 63: very heavy, with strange steering feedback and a vacuum cleaner sound. I know that this is the future that someone wants to impose on us, but I really don't like it.
Just stumbled upon your channel. Really great video and very informative. New subscriber. 🍻
Great work sir! Been watching you since 2012. Love the details and straightforward, down to earth info on all your content. God bless and continued success!
Thanks for watching all these years - means a lot!
👍
Sadly no coupe version.
Absolutely no reason to buy this over a BMW M340i
Looks?
Love that interior.
An electric motor inside the turbo charger….who would have thunk? Glad to hear it reduces turbo lag however….
At the very beginning of your drive, you seemed to be surprised how slow it was to initially pick up speed?
Thanks MM!
That was the reality of the size of the car working against a four cylinder.
So George, if they can have an electric pre spooling turbocharger, and IDK if that's what you'd call it, then who needs the exhaust gases powering the turbo. Why NOT just make it an electrified turbo? Less costly I'd think without all the plumbing, and no lag, and much easier to manage the performance of the turbo through software. What are your thoughts??
Nice video.
Wait, wait, what?? "Piss up a rope"?? 😂😂😂
I love it
I like that you have to choose option on the Mercedes’ there are some people I know that feel putting a wireless charger in a car interior completely excessive and they say I won’t buy one because there is too much to go wrong and I want what I want and nothing else I have to fix. I have come to agree with them after arguing the other side. I also realize if it didn’t have the options to make it fully optioned it would be a kia
Good video. As someone who has owned a lot of AMG’s I would worry about breaking things with all this tech and wearing things down with all this weight. This thing is gonna eat tires and brakes.
Nicely improved looks especially on the rear deck and the technology under the hood. I would go so far as to say, add one more level, dampening for the most stiffest, keeping the others the same, but if not, simply just step them all up. #nicejob
So fuel economy rating is slightly worse than previous C43 with V6 🤔
Unfortunately do to Europe and China regulations which focus on factors other than MPG.
I do like the interior but the exterior isn't very nice. The new C43 is 100-112K here in Canada, which is just outrageous. I'm definately happy with my 2023 G70 3.3T that I bought for almost half the price.
its very nice and powerful this sedan class car for me 402 hp is enough.
How easy did they make it to work on yourself? Dunno why anyone who would pay for dealer service would choose a C class. This thing would be awesome as a hatchback like the Stinger or A5. I love the idea of the inline 4 turbo but I hope there's an electric auxiliary oil pump feeding that snail constantly. They need to make a lightweight stripper version like an homage to the 190e Evo
I did a 4.1 0-60 in mine
Cars got so complicated for what so ever reason, but when you compare this to the new C63 it looks simple , definitly the you should get if you are looking for quick Mercedes sedan
After all options, it is 100k here in Canada 😢
Who wants an AMG? Screwed up big time with the 4 pot.
It’s AMGs like this that makes me shop elsewhere.
This car looks like it would have more room, than the prior model.
An electric motor in a hot turbo is a concern over long term reliability.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🙌 And yet, F1 is dropping the electrified Turbo, or MGUH. Because, who would want added efficiency?!
The wood is real😅
@MotoManTV: It seems to me from your reactions that the AMG CLA 45 is more fun to drive than this? [good]. I'm also assuming this C43 has a softer suspension and is quieter inside? [also good, for what it is]. I dunno. If I were gonna buy a Mercedes, I don't think this would be the one. I mean, everything is gonna break eventually right? But to me, it seems like this drive system is a few steps more complicated than the one in the CLA 45. I mean, if you're just gonna lease, none of that makes any difference. But what if I were foolhardy enough to actually order one of these from the factory, specced my way?
BMW M340 all day every day.
My only wish would be for Mercedes to lower prices.... but i guess that´s asking too much these days. The C class, given how much it grew in size, became almost all the sedan one needs aside if you really want a more luxurius ride with the S. It´s interesting to be able to compare prices between Europe and the US. Here the new C-class plug-in has an asking price around 65k. It´s all the car one needs but not long ago the base C started at 29-30k and last time i checked started over 50k. oh, and i quite like the sound of that engine.
Good point . . . I find myself saying that A LOT now a days as I review 'affordable' cars.
This is a car built to satisfy government restrictions and to satisfy a PR department. It isn't for performance sedan enthusiasts.
W205>W206
Looks nice but hope dont have the cheap plastic gloss!!
Something tells me adding an electric motor to the turbocharger will be about as reliable as the Hyundai/Kia electronic wastegate on the turbocharger..
Lol. This tech isnt even that new. The audi rs7 has had this in their diesel and petrol engines since 2017. Whats different is the added ev motor. I'm not sure they have their software just right. Seems there's still too much lag and the shifting is harsh.
Alo. Koenigsegg does something similar but different...They use a compressed air tank and valve control to pre-spool their turbo. The tank is refilled by a parasitic pump clutched to the engine. Apparently it was the lightest solution (for them).
@@JayDee-b5u I know it's not new tech. I just haven't seen them to know what their reliability stands at. I question the longevity of electrical components attached to something that gets as hot as a turbocharger.
As for firm shifting, I don't recall if George specified it's a constant thing or simply during aggressive driving. My daily driver has a dual-clutch transmission. Shifts are imperceptible when driven sedately but make themselves known when driven moderately/aggressively which I quite like. like.
I don't see why anyone would want to buy this except for the badge. I hate the move that automakers are still charging $60K plus for 'sport' models yet they have a 4 cylinder engine. I don't care about the power output, a 4 cylinder engine will never be as refined as a 6 or 8 cylinder. For $62K one can buy a Lexus IS500 with a 5.0 litre naturally aspirated V8. No competition here.
Have you ever drove the is....
I’d stay with the non AMG variant point
I’ll keep my 23 GLA45. DCT in my 45 feels much better.
I like the WRX but to say this car that’s worth twice as much drives the same isn’t a compliment lol
The cla45 has a better 0-60. Sheesh.
Taking the gla-45 engine and putting it in the c-class would have sufficed.
This should not be stiffer. Dear Lord we need comfier cars. We aren't racing, these are our commuters. This is what the low end journalists never understand
I think the only I thing I prefer about this car vs the 23+ M340i LCI is the interior. The infotainment and gauge screens are much better executed than the lazy slap dash approach BMW took. BUT, the BMW is quicker, has better handling, and is far more efficient. AND you get the sound and reliability of the B58. This C43 is a big miss in my books.
The AMG out handles this everyday of the week, it’s been proven multiple times in auto mags slalom tests and track tests where the AMG routinely pulls higher Gs and faster times despite being slower in a straight line. In one track test it was ahead but a full second and a half.
@@517sf6 Post them
Cool car, but I rather have an Integra type s
70K, me personally I think there’s better options out there……..new and used!
This is a C400 .. not an AMG product.. nice interior though but it just needed Inline 6 and call it a C450. BMW has no issues placing the B58 in multi chassis.
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I’m going to take the BMW M340ix over this.
This is alright. C63(hybrid) is too complex and not worth it
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So it’s hand built in Mexico? Jorge?
Engine hand built in AMG factory (Affalterbach, Germany), assembled in South Africa. The man just had a latin decent name.
So just buy a wrx sti instead or golf R
For the price of one 2023 Mercedes AMG C43, I could buy 2 Hyundai 2023 Kona Ns. Is the Mercedes twice the car?
More than a 340i and is500 with considerably more electrical and mechanical complication and looks like an old man's car in golf shoe white? Good luck.
It doesn't look bad, although it does look a little old fashioned compared to today's car design! Technically it's ok, but I feel that a worse version of technology has been put into it than the price would justify! I have the impression that this car (like most European cars) was not made with the aim of offering people value for money, but to get as much money as possible for as little value as possible! You can especially see it in the list of extra equipment, I feel like the prices of the extra equipment were pulled out of a hat, as if they set the prices not by how much the equipment really costs and how much it really is, but by how much they think someone will want to pay for it! The entire European auto industry has become repulsive to me precisely because of their attitude towards people!
German WRX ... don't make me laugh ... its 500Kg heavier?!
It's a little ugly, but I like the price
so slow!!
I hate beige color interior!!
I love the woodgrain 🪵 dashboard, however, for this price I'd take a white on red Lexus IS500 F Sport. 🤍❤😎👍