Two Secrets for HUGE Sounding Mixes
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ต.ค. 2021
- Want your mixes to sound HUGE? Or, want a specific instrument to sound huge? Whether you want huge drums, vocals, guitar, or anything else, there are some core principles and secret techniques that will get you there.
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The first time I noticed the Contrast thing was on FastBalls "The Way". Look it up, listen to the intro. A great 90s example of what people like Serban would eventually use in songs like "I feel it coming" by The Weekend. Enjoy!
I love this video series. You do such a great job of explaining concepts and showing us how to apply them in a very musical way. Been watching your videos one after another. GREAT job and thank you for all the tips!!!
Genuinely finding this helpful going into some upcoming productions. I always think about automation but thinking of it in terms of contrast is making me think about some things to keep in mind
Super valuable advice here! Thanks so much
Very helpful advice. I'm telling you, I have always done the OPPOSITE when trying to create a climax of a piece - more sounds and louder sounds. I mean, to my credit, that makes logical sense, but not when it comes to mixing. This is because there is a limiter on our ears, so we need to work with that. It's taken me years to understand this because of how counterintuitive it is. But I'm finally getting it, so hopefully I can start to make the huge, emotive, climaxes I've always wanted to create.
Unbelievable!!! The best Contrast definition out here yet!!! Less is more the contrast way....👍👍🥇🎆
Tears the curtain off from what we intuitively know and strive for, without knowing exactly what and why, and explains why some ideas probably didn't work out as expected. Thanks
Educational great video appreciate it bro 👌🏿
wow. very nice work here
Your An Audio Scientist Justin !!! I luv the way You explain things !! Glad I found You !!! Audio Magician !!! Bless You !!
Hey Justin, and all at Sonic Scoop. I just took the plunge and purchased your mix course as well the Mastering course. I'm very stoked to finally take a calculated (but not too calculated) approach to my mixing. Thanks a lot!
Sorry I missed this message Jet! Thanks so much for the kind words. Sometimes I can't keep up with all the comments on the channel. But I try my best! Here are some thoughts for you:
Yes, the process I generally recommend is setting your general fader level first, and getting things as good as you can using just faders and pan, before moving on to EQ, and then compression.
At this fader mix stage, you may also do some clip gain (or "waveform riding") if it's necessary, or you may notice this kind of waveform level riding is necessary at the compression stage, if the tone from your compressors is too inconsistent.
After all that's done, I recommend automated fader riding as a final pass, after all compression and EQ.
Of course this is a basic outline of an approach that works very well, rather than a straight jacket. If you find it necessary to do fader automation before this (potentially as soon as your initial fader balances in some cases) do it!
But I do generally recommend having your last few listens through to the mix focus on small fader automation changes. And I generally recommend getting the basics of your mix in order before spending too much time on fader automation, as you will likely have to revisit it anyway, as your mix progresses.
I hope that helps!
-Justin
Honestly this channel is legendary, thanks for all the free mixing information from talented professionals. Because of these videos you will hear my records go big soon.
Can't Agree Enough mate !!!!
It is, thx Justin and Sonic Scoop
Very important information.Thanks.
Very good Justin. Silence is another trick I use.
Great technique and very effective. One of my favourite examples of this is Ghetto Rebels by DJ Vadim.
Great video it's good how you talk Also about the arrangement
Yo great way to explain philosophical mixing and that your perception has a lot more influence that you would expect
If something comes out sounding miniscule, it's probably being masked by something else that wants to live in the same frequency area. Creating space for each instrument is essential to creating the contrast that is needed to make it not miniscule. Great advice.
Thanks man!
Thanks again
Pure gold
Thanks!
Thanks bro,
What an excellent video.
This is awesome advice that you virtually never hear anywhere. When I think of huge mix I think Cocker's "When the Night Comes". I grabbed it, played it behind pink noise and noted how at a given moment/*section* most often only 3 elements punched through the noise and those elements changed throughout the song. A great exercise imho. Great advice Justin!
Very interesting Pete. Thanks for the great comment!
-Justin
Andy Wallace’s mix on “Killing in the Name” he’s clearly automating volume (or compression ratio/output) on the first downbeat of the chorus, so that one hit feels viscerally large. Like all the energy of the song dumps down on that beat. And it’s subtle but almost 30 years later that chorus hits as heavy as anything I’ve ever heard. Just because the dynamic is so artfully presented on a simple rock arrangement. That fader is indeed the most powerful tool in our box
Wise advice here. I wish we had TH-cam when I was learning in the 80s & 90s.
I 100 procent agree!!!
Yup
Another idea for content is mixing vocal buss groups vs individual tracks. My thoughts is every take will sound different for multiple reasons. I get the ideas of compressing and even Eqing a group to fit the mix on a macro level and to glue them to each other. But wouldn’t you still comp and EQ them individually for various reasons?
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Very nice talk about the concept of contrast in a track, You could have gone further with dynamics and panning a little more in my opinion…
One item on my to do list is to find out how they made Livin' La Vida Loca so bloody loud.
Can We get a Video on how to transition Verses to Hooks or vise versa
Are there certain types of techniques
or is it just a matter of volume leveling
meaning perhaps having the hook a db or two louder then the verse
Personally, I think that transitions are a matter of instrumentation and arrangment more than a mixing-question.
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I hate the argument of sparse is cleaner. Back in the 60s 70s 80s they used to have full bands with keys and percussion and backing vocals and 4 guitar players and it all sounded huge and clear !
I don't think I ever said "sparse is cleaner". If anything, the more sparse the arrangement, the dirtier and more harmonically dense you can get away with each track being.
You can absolutely get big sounding records with a ton of elements in them. But objectively speaking, each element needs to take up a smaller part of the frequency (and time) spectrum when there are more of them when there are fewer.
And if everything is equally huge at once, then no one element stands out as being huge.
Contrast is necessary for our relative impressions about size.
I hope that helps make sense of it,
Justin
Example of a track that uses this contrast trick is The Aristocrats - Boing!... I'm In The Back. The mix sounds.... goofy, weak, for about a minute, then suddenly ... BAM.
Space in time that is Usher song Yeah ft Ludacris and another artist
I've found volume automation to be massively underappreciated for creating "size" in mixes. Having different elements be huge at different times in a mix makes for a really coherent and interesting listening experience. Super interesting topic
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Thank You. i think money is probably better spent on your courses instead of buying soo many plugins.
Too many think automation is mandatory and some artistic tool that needs to be used potentially wrecking the artist's intent with the song in the process of feeding your musical ego. Some of the most energetic stuff that rolled out of Seattle in the 90's didn't have it at all.
Automation was absolutely around back then. If you don’t think there was fader automation on Nevermind or Superunknown, you should definitely study the producers and mixers who made them.
Fader automation has been around for many decades now.
Prior to that, people did “automation” manually, in real time and often had to perform the mix multiple times and get it right live stitch together their best takes of fader moves.
Moving the faders during a mix goes waaaaaau back. It’s WHY faders were invented. You can move several of them at once. You can’t do that with dials, which is what came before faders.
Hope that helps!
-Justin
@@SonicScoop Never implied it was not around, or that nothing came out of Seattle then without it either. I implied as posted "Some" of the most "energetic stuff" that rolled out of Seattle in the 90's didn't have it at all. This doesn't imply I do not like anything with automation either, I do. It just meant that thinking automation is a must, in any mix is bs...proven by recordings and my ears.
It wasn't meant as a rip on the vid either, you put out a lot of great content that helps everyone. It was just my opinion from my experience, and here is a final one, from a musicians mindset, not a mixer.
The best mixers will seek to find out what the artist's intent is, and then help them achieve that. The best, knowing what questions to ask to make the process of realization efficient. Too many mixers want to play artist with the art they didn't create, many times changing the artist's intent, in part, or in whole. Now if the artist's want it, all is golden, but that is not the case many times, and especially before digital crushed the empire. Now its even more vital mixers adopt this mindset with the artist's...thx for the vids brother.
Thank you for the thoughtful reply! I think I understand where you’re coming from.
Best wishes,
Justin
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Pleeeseee.... Compress your speech in the next videos.
why.. to me it sounds good.. and sounds like compressed already
dude rambles for 3 and half minutes =
What are you talking about? I ramble for at LEAST 19 minutes in this one : - D
-Justin
A lot talk no action show is something
It’s a podcast! Podcasts are not a “showing” format. For demonstration and tutorial videos from Justin, try here to start: th-cam.com/play/PL3yghKGBjggRbn4ooQ-SFl-4vi_V_zT3g.html
Or maybe try our MixCon series here: th-cam.com/play/PL3yghKGBjggRbn4ooQ-SFl-4vi_V_zT3g.html
And that’s just the tip of the iceberg for “showing” videos on this channel. Hope that helps!
hey i like the podcast format and could apply so many things to my mixes.. because its very well explained